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		<title>By: Armchair Critic</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176461</link>
		<dc:creator>Armchair Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the first time I visited KB it was clear he needed help.  And maybe some support writing posts and managing his site, too.
The 2025 post was thoughtless.  Just the recommendations quoted, followed by &quot;I agree&quot; or &quot;I don&#039;t know enough to comment&quot; after each one.  The only credit I can give for the KB is that he sometimes knows that he doesn&#039;t know.
The holiday snaps are dull.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the first time I visited KB it was clear he needed help.  And maybe some support writing posts and managing his site, too.<br />
The 2025 post was thoughtless.  Just the recommendations quoted, followed by &#8220;I agree&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t know enough to comment&#8221; after each one.  The only credit I can give for the KB is that he sometimes knows that he doesn&#8217;t know.<br />
The holiday snaps are dull.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176455</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He is less interesting whilst on holiday. I suspect that he doesn&#039;t have as much help as he&#039;d need. And I got tired looking at the photo-album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is less interesting whilst on holiday. I suspect that he doesn&#8217;t have as much help as he&#8217;d need. And I got tired looking at the photo-album.</p>
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		<title>By: Armchair Critic</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176427</link>
		<dc:creator>Armchair Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of curiosity I thought a dip in the sewer would be a good way of seeing if anyone could defend the report.  And DPF must be feeling a bit lonely, he is one of the few actually trying to support it.  But it looks like his brain is on holiday, no mention of the lack of any analysis or ideas that have been shown to work.
It also occurred to me that there have been no posts here on DPF for ages.  Is this a sign of how irrelevant he has become?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of curiosity I thought a dip in the sewer would be a good way of seeing if anyone could defend the report.  And DPF must be feeling a bit lonely, he is one of the few actually trying to support it.  But it looks like his brain is on holiday, no mention of the lack of any analysis or ideas that have been shown to work.<br />
It also occurred to me that there have been no posts here on DPF for ages.  Is this a sign of how irrelevant he has become?</p>
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		<title>By: Words of wisdom from the 19th century at The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176321</link>
		<dc:creator>Words of wisdom from the 19th century at The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] That sounds like my writing about it &#8211; but written with far more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] That sounds like my writing about it &#8211; but written with far more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: luva</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176210</link>
		<dc:creator>luva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JS

It is all part of the new left wing &quot;NZ sucks&quot; campaign.

look back at Steve Piersons posts to define that phrase</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JS</p>
<p>It is all part of the new left wing &#8220;NZ sucks&#8221; campaign.</p>
<p>look back at Steve Piersons posts to define that phrase</p>
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		<title>By: Amarello</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176209</link>
		<dc:creator>Amarello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well iprent, take it from me, it&#039;s better to be made to leave than forced to stay.
iprent, don&#039;t take offence, one has to use this opportunity to ones advantage.
It is clear Mr Smith wants to burn a bridge.

This isn&#039;t so bad, really.

I&#039;m better, maybe.

I love white puppies, do you? Especially when they have happy faces, and can run up and down a cliff face- impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well iprent, take it from me, it&#8217;s better to be made to leave than forced to stay.<br />
iprent, don&#8217;t take offence, one has to use this opportunity to ones advantage.<br />
It is clear Mr Smith wants to burn a bridge.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t so bad, really.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m better, maybe.</p>
<p>I love white puppies, do you? Especially when they have happy faces, and can run up and down a cliff face- impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: john smith</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176207</link>
		<dc:creator>john smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God you&#039;re a moaning old cunt iprent why don&#039;t you fuck off to Norway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God you&#8217;re a moaning old cunt iprent why don&#8217;t you fuck off to Norway.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176202</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TE: (the reply failed...)
 
Exactly what does running a business have to do with coming up with policy ideas? I think you have a few circuits crossed about types of tasks and thinking techniques required to achieve them. 

Running a business involves doing a reasonably specified job (eg make profits, provide good service, raise market share). These are reasonably straight forward in most businesses. The ones that are tricky are when you&#039;re doing it without reasonable resources (where usually the correct response is to wind up the business if you aren&#039;t an entrepreneur).  It is largely setting up well-known systems to direct the available resources coherently.  I&#039;ve done that in the past. 

It is quite different to navel gazing to look for a viable solution. That is looking for a solutions to a problem where all of the normal solution patterns aren&#039;t going to work. That is pretty much what I like doing (along with actually implementing the solutions as well) and usually what I&#039;m employed for. Quite a different pattern. You&#039;re looking for a path to a solution. That is what the task-force was tasked to do. They didn&#039;t even attempt it.

The other type of thinking is one that I seldom indulge in these days. It is playing what-if games that you know are impossible to implement. That is what the Brash task-force did. Shows in the lack of rigor and the sheer lack of any implementation path. Anyone can do that. It usually helps to have a few beers before starting.

The type of brain activity is completely different. If you don&#039;t understand the difference then you probably haven&#039;t done it enough for me to explain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TE: (the reply failed&#8230;)</p>
<p>Exactly what does running a business have to do with coming up with policy ideas? I think you have a few circuits crossed about types of tasks and thinking techniques required to achieve them. </p>
<p>Running a business involves doing a reasonably specified job (eg make profits, provide good service, raise market share). These are reasonably straight forward in most businesses. The ones that are tricky are when you&#8217;re doing it without reasonable resources (where usually the correct response is to wind up the business if you aren&#8217;t an entrepreneur).  It is largely setting up well-known systems to direct the available resources coherently.  I&#8217;ve done that in the past. </p>
<p>It is quite different to navel gazing to look for a viable solution. That is looking for a solutions to a problem where all of the normal solution patterns aren&#8217;t going to work. That is pretty much what I like doing (along with actually implementing the solutions as well) and usually what I&#8217;m employed for. Quite a different pattern. You&#8217;re looking for a path to a solution. That is what the task-force was tasked to do. They didn&#8217;t even attempt it.</p>
<p>The other type of thinking is one that I seldom indulge in these days. It is playing what-if games that you know are impossible to implement. That is what the Brash task-force did. Shows in the lack of rigor and the sheer lack of any implementation path. Anyone can do that. It usually helps to have a few beers before starting.</p>
<p>The type of brain activity is completely different. If you don&#8217;t understand the difference then you probably haven&#8217;t done it enough for me to explain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176198</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that happens. Purely unintentional. I wrote most of the post last night. But posts are a pain. You need the hook at the front, and I couldn&#039;t figure one. It has to be simple, effective, and understandable. So the post was sitting on the laptop waiting for some more thinking time along with the other 50 or so (and the 10 or so at the standard that almost made it).

Then I saw felixs comment and there was the hook. An easy to see stupid online poll that failed to offer a reasonable alternative is a perfect example of the issue....... The post was completed a few minutes later while waiting for compile to run. Posted 15 minutes later after I edited out the typos, spelling mistakes and above all the half-finished sentences that are the bane of my writing style. I often wish I had a compiler to check for syntax for english.

But the media are frigging annoying me at present. They seem to have already hit the silly season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that happens. Purely unintentional. I wrote most of the post last night. But posts are a pain. You need the hook at the front, and I couldn&#8217;t figure one. It has to be simple, effective, and understandable. So the post was sitting on the laptop waiting for some more thinking time along with the other 50 or so (and the 10 or so at the standard that almost made it).</p>
<p>Then I saw felixs comment and there was the hook. An easy to see stupid online poll that failed to offer a reasonable alternative is a perfect example of the issue&#8230;&#8230;. The post was completed a few minutes later while waiting for compile to run. Posted 15 minutes later after I edited out the typos, spelling mistakes and above all the half-finished sentences that are the bane of my writing style. I often wish I had a compiler to check for syntax for english.</p>
<p>But the media are frigging annoying me at present. They seem to have already hit the silly season.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodel</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176174</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 07:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a survey for TV1. 
Tick one.

Don Brash has an IQ of:

A)  80
B)  70
C)  60
D) Less than 60

Now that&#039;s fair isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a survey for TV1.<br />
Tick one.</p>
<p>Don Brash has an IQ of:</p>
<p>A)  80<br />
B)  70<br />
C)  60<br />
D) Less than 60</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s fair isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176167</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be a fuckwit Tim - we went over this yesterday and you conceded that Caygill is, indeed a right-wing neoliberal ideologue.

Would you like me to link back to that conversation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be a fuckwit Tim &#8211; we went over this yesterday and you conceded that Caygill is, indeed a right-wing neoliberal ideologue.</p>
<p>Would you like me to link back to that conversation?</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176161</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, look at who &lt;b&gt;OWNS&lt;/b&gt; the MSM, and are you surprised?

Interesting that  this leads straight into Eddie&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestandard.org.nz/jon-stewarts-glenn-beck-parody/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;next post&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, look at who <b>OWNS</b> the MSM, and are you surprised?</p>
<p>Interesting that  this leads straight into Eddie&#8217;s <a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/jon-stewarts-glenn-beck-parody/" rel="nofollow">next post</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Zorr</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176160</link>
		<dc:creator>Zorr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting side note here:

I was watching the most recent Intelligence Squared debate yesterday that happened to have Richard Harries (Anglican minister), Charles Moore (ex-editor of The Guardian), A.C. Grayling and Richard Dawkins. Now, out of these four in a debate over &quot;Atheism is the new fundamentalism&quot;, only one of them pursued a line of ad hominem attack. Take a guess which?

If you guessed the ex-editor of a major newspaper, you would be right. And I think this example speaks a lot about those that are in charge of the content of such papers that no longer can we trust them to be the 4th Estate as they no longer intend on reporting with as little bias and as much insight as possible. Preferring instend to scream as shrilly and emotively as possible in their attempt to sling mud at opposing players. They are no longer reporters, they are entertainers and should be treated like the clowns they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting side note here:</p>
<p>I was watching the most recent Intelligence Squared debate yesterday that happened to have Richard Harries (Anglican minister), Charles Moore (ex-editor of The Guardian), A.C. Grayling and Richard Dawkins. Now, out of these four in a debate over &#8220;Atheism is the new fundamentalism&#8221;, only one of them pursued a line of ad hominem attack. Take a guess which?</p>
<p>If you guessed the ex-editor of a major newspaper, you would be right. And I think this example speaks a lot about those that are in charge of the content of such papers that no longer can we trust them to be the 4th Estate as they no longer intend on reporting with as little bias and as much insight as possible. Preferring instend to scream as shrilly and emotively as possible in their attempt to sling mud at opposing players. They are no longer reporters, they are entertainers and should be treated like the clowns they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176152</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is Mr Caygill a &quot;faithful radical nutter&quot; LP? If that&#039;s the case then why was he the electricity czar for the last labour government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is Mr Caygill a &#8220;faithful radical nutter&#8221; LP? If that&#8217;s the case then why was he the electricity czar for the last labour government?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/systemic-failure-of-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-176151</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, that&#039;s bollocks Gos. 

Any poll that can&#039;t distinguish between the responses of the National Party and the Socialist Workers Party is a load of right wing pants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, that&#8217;s bollocks Gos. </p>
<p>Any poll that can&#8217;t distinguish between the responses of the National Party and the Socialist Workers Party is a load of right wing pants.</p>
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