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		<title>By: Organic Symmetry : Ahabloging.com</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-155035</link>
		<dc:creator>Organic Symmetry : Ahabloging.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from The Standard  tries to put a helpful spin on things  and it didn&#8217;t really work. She wrote Good on Clark for sacking him as a minister when the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from The Standard  tries to put a helpful spin on things  and it didn&#8217;t really work. She wrote Good on Clark for sacking him as a minister when the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151544</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the link-to. &quot;Gobsmackingly Dishonest Quote of the Day&quot;

Pwned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the link-to. &#8220;Gobsmackingly Dishonest Quote of the Day&#8221;</p>
<p>Pwned.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151543</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a whitewash.

Breathtaking.

And Inventory&#039;s comment below - Field held the casting vote, so of course HC is going softly.

This should destroy Labour. It won&#039;t. But New Zealand would be better without such completely dishonest people anywhere near the levers of power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a whitewash.</p>
<p>Breathtaking.</p>
<p>And Inventory&#8217;s comment below &#8211; Field held the casting vote, so of course HC is going softly.</p>
<p>This should destroy Labour. It won&#8217;t. But New Zealand would be better without such completely dishonest people anywhere near the levers of power.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151539</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, indeed.

What I don&#039;t understand is how r0b and Eddie think they are helping things. What r0b and Eddie and other posters here are doing is creating a permanent billboard of poor judgment and very poor personal values. I just don&#039;t see how that helps Labour - the best it can hope for is that the integrity on display here doesn&#039;t spill over to them.
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[lprent: Why exactly? We have posters from almost every hue on the &#039;unionist&#039;, &#039;left&#039;, &#039;centre&#039; and &#039;green&#039; opinions (often me for all of the latter three). Read the about. It tends to be a coincidence when Labour party or the Green party have similar opinions. Most of the time they&#039;re just trying to keep up with us.] &lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, indeed.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is how r0b and Eddie think they are helping things. What r0b and Eddie and other posters here are doing is creating a permanent billboard of poor judgment and very poor personal values. I just don&#8217;t see how that helps Labour &#8211; the best it can hope for is that the integrity on display here doesn&#8217;t spill over to them.<br />
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[lprent: Why exactly? We have posters from almost every hue on the 'unionist', 'left', 'centre' and 'green' opinions (often me for all of the latter three). Read the about. It tends to be a coincidence when Labour party or the Green party have similar opinions. Most of the time they're just trying to keep up with us.] </strong></p>
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		<title>By: bringbackthrbiff</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151513</link>
		<dc:creator>bringbackthrbiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he exemplifies not only how power corrupts, but that indeed he was the poster boy for the party of corruption.  Surely now Labour are irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he exemplifies not only how power corrupts, but that indeed he was the poster boy for the party of corruption.  Surely now Labour are irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151502</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ben, there is also a wide gulf between r0b&#039;s insistence on precision with regards to Mr Farrar, and his lax attitude towards Eddie claiming that Mr Field was &quot;sacked&quot;.

I&#039;m not wasting any more energy on r0b or Eddie on this issue today.  They can both go and stew in their collective sycophantic and dishonest revisionism.  Anonymous dishonest cowards, both of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ben, there is also a wide gulf between r0b&#8217;s insistence on precision with regards to Mr Farrar, and his lax attitude towards Eddie claiming that Mr Field was &#8220;sacked&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not wasting any more energy on r0b or Eddie on this issue today.  They can both go and stew in their collective sycophantic and dishonest revisionism.  Anonymous dishonest cowards, both of them.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151498</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see. Farrar leaves out &quot;I think&quot; and all hell breaks loose.

Eddie says &quot;first came out&quot; and means weeks later - which really matters when the question is Clark&#039;s handling of the matter - but that&#039;s ok.

Do you really think it&#039;s not obvious what&#039;s going on here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see. Farrar leaves out &#8220;I think&#8221; and all hell breaks loose.</p>
<p>Eddie says &#8220;first came out&#8221; and means weeks later &#8211; which really matters when the question is Clark&#8217;s handling of the matter &#8211; but that&#8217;s ok.</p>
<p>Do you really think it&#8217;s not obvious what&#8217;s going on here?</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151454</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One point we&#039;d all forgotten, but which John Armstrong raises today - the reason why Helen Clark went &quot;softly&#039; softly&quot; on Field:

&quot;Crucially, he also held a casting vote in Parliament .&quot;

Indeed - lose Field, lose power - that was the dilemma facing Clark in the aftermath of the 2005 election. So his corrupt practices were swept under the carpet, and Labour hoped it would all blow over. Thank goodness for Lockwood Smith&#039;s persisitence, day after day after day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One point we&#8217;d all forgotten, but which John Armstrong raises today &#8211; the reason why Helen Clark went &#8220;softly&#8217; softly&#8221; on Field:</p>
<p>&#8220;Crucially, he also held a casting vote in Parliament .&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed &#8211; lose Field, lose power &#8211; that was the dilemma facing Clark in the aftermath of the 2005 election. So his corrupt practices were swept under the carpet, and Labour hoped it would all blow over. Thank goodness for Lockwood Smith&#8217;s persisitence, day after day after day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151417</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mallard not so much, Williams certainly. And JT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mallard not so much, Williams certainly. And JT.</p>
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		<title>By: peteremcc</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151404</link>
		<dc:creator>peteremcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no i&#039;m not, he was only ever sacked once - as a labour party mp.

care to provide a link to where Helen sacks him as a minister?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no i&#8217;m not, he was only ever sacked once &#8211; as a labour party mp.</p>
<p>care to provide a link to where Helen sacks him as a minister?</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151392</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. And what charming hair-splitting fun it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. And what charming hair-splitting fun it is.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151391</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the best argument I&#039;ve seen you post in days Anita</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the best argument I&#8217;ve seen you post in days Anita</p>
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		<title>By: RedLogix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151390</link>
		<dc:creator>RedLogix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy hindsight Idiot.

Field had ALREADY been dismissed, stood down, told to &#039;take a break&#039;,... whatever as Minister. That was a perfectly reasonable standard of response.

Field would not be the first politician to have made errors of judgement, been stood down to the Backbench and eventually rehabilitated if subsequent investigations had not been terminally damning.

It&#039;s called not burning bridges until you have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy hindsight Idiot.</p>
<p>Field had ALREADY been dismissed, stood down, told to &#8216;take a break&#8217;,&#8230; whatever as Minister. That was a perfectly reasonable standard of response.</p>
<p>Field would not be the first politician to have made errors of judgement, been stood down to the Backbench and eventually rehabilitated if subsequent investigations had not been terminally damning.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called not burning bridges until you have to.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151389</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I though nobody was listening. For the record I don&#039;t think it should be yesterday&#039;s news but my nose is telling me that the news value of an already well litigated story about an ex-mp is minimal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I though nobody was listening. For the record I don&#8217;t think it should be yesterday&#8217;s news but my nose is telling me that the news value of an already well litigated story about an ex-mp is minimal.</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/taito-guilty/comment-page-1/#comment-151386</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is still tonight&#039;s fun though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is still tonight&#8217;s fun though.</p>
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