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	<title>Comments on: Tax cut bizzaro world</title>
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		<title>By: SPC</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198310</link>
		<dc:creator>SPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Property investors are providing some of the money for the income tax cuts.

Estimates of the gains people make based on tax cuts greater than the hiked GST - do not take account of possible higher rent costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Property investors are providing some of the money for the income tax cuts.</p>
<p>Estimates of the gains people make based on tax cuts greater than the hiked GST &#8211; do not take account of possible higher rent costs.</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198145</link>
		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite Vivienne.....that&#039;s $50m made as a banker/currency trader and haven&#039;t those professions proven to be honest hardworking philanthropic folk who have the holistic interests of society at their core values.....we&#039;re so screwed if they blag another term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite Vivienne&#8230;..that&#8217;s $50m made as a banker/currency trader and haven&#8217;t those professions proven to be honest hardworking philanthropic folk who have the holistic interests of society at their core values&#8230;..we&#8217;re so screwed if they blag another term.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivienne</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198094</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many people especially those who are blue have not yet become aware that The Emperor has no clothes on. They are blinded by the fact he has $50million and thus he can be trusted and is very knowledgeable and will never do anything nasty to another human being, the environment or the economy. Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people especially those who are blue have not yet become aware that The Emperor has no clothes on. They are blinded by the fact he has $50million and thus he can be trusted and is very knowledgeable and will never do anything nasty to another human being, the environment or the economy. Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198089</link>
		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talkin to me Freedom? Stratos TV, about the last week or so In february on Beatson&#039;s regular section, came across it channel surfing. Both Goff/Key were on separately....Phil&#039;s uninspiring.....Blinglish simply arrogant and Beatson gaving him the old 1-2 and made you realise how pathetic the msm are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talkin to me Freedom? Stratos TV, about the last week or so In february on Beatson&#8217;s regular section, came across it channel surfing. Both Goff/Key were on separately&#8230;.Phil&#8217;s uninspiring&#8230;..Blinglish simply arrogant and Beatson gaving him the old 1-2 and made you realise how pathetic the msm are.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198073</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 08:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or you could stay and help take your country back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or you could stay and help take your country back</p>
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		<title>By: infused</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198066</link>
		<dc:creator>infused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to skill up or move to aussie then eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to skill up or move to aussie then eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Nald</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198060</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Nald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 06:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the 15% GST hike will actually make most of us worse off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the 15% GST hike will actually make most of us worse off</p>
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		<title>By: freedom</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198051</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 04:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like a date/source on this please.  thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like a date/source on this please.  thanks</p>
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		<title>By: tc</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198040</link>
		<dc:creator>tc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More unsubstantiated slogans they get away with.....beatson nailed blinglish on this simple question &quot;have you done any research on how much GST is bourne by middle/lower incomes groups..&quot; Blinglish&#039;s reply &#039;No&#039;....then how on earth can you claim you&#039;ve got in covered via tax/welfare/pension tweaks.

It&#039;s such a basic concept but as you can see, no interest from the Nats if those are worse off, just guess a value/give out a token and laugh all the way to the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More unsubstantiated slogans they get away with&#8230;..beatson nailed blinglish on this simple question &#8220;have you done any research on how much GST is bourne by middle/lower incomes groups..&#8221; Blinglish&#8217;s reply &#8216;No&#8217;&#8230;.then how on earth can you claim you&#8217;ve got in covered via tax/welfare/pension tweaks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such a basic concept but as you can see, no interest from the Nats if those are worse off, just guess a value/give out a token and laugh all the way to the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: spot</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198039</link>
		<dc:creator>spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 01:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill

Only other range less was an &quot;under $19.6k&quot; which had Cut of $8, GST inc. of $7 for net $0.

Cut assumptions - 12.5% to 10%, 21% to 19%, and 38% to 33%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill</p>
<p>Only other range less was an &#8220;under $19.6k&#8221; which had Cut of $8, GST inc. of $7 for net $0.</p>
<p>Cut assumptions &#8211; 12.5% to 10%, 21% to 19%, and 38% to 33%.</p>
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		<title>By: r0b</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198029</link>
		<dc:creator>r0b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recall also that most New Zealanders have incomes that are well below the average wage.

http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-rights-blindness-towards-middle-new-zealand/

&quot;The vast majority of New Zealanders&quot; are going to get 3/5 of bugger all from these changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recall also that most New Zealanders have incomes that are well below the average wage.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-rights-blindness-towards-middle-new-zealand/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestandard.org.nz/the-rights-blindness-towards-middle-new-zealand/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The vast majority of New Zealanders&#8221; are going to get 3/5 of bugger all from these changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198026</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the $5 and $10 figures in the post should be $18 and $24 respectively?

Okay.

But the GST costs giving a $5 to $10 gain seem to be based on 2007 household costs. 

&quot;Lifting the tax to 15% will add $21.25 to the average weekly household bill.

In 2007 the average Kiwi household spent around $950 a week, including groceries, fuel, clothing and healthcare, around $106 of which was GST&quot;.

I haven&#039;t done the sums, but why else have that paragraph referring to 2007 expenditure following directly after the $21.25 increase to household bills if it doesn&#039;t form the basis for the GST calculation?

Also, can somebody post the figures for the average wage? $25K ish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the $5 and $10 figures in the post should be $18 and $24 respectively?</p>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p>But the GST costs giving a $5 to $10 gain seem to be based on 2007 household costs. </p>
<p>&#8220;Lifting the tax to 15% will add $21.25 to the average weekly household bill.</p>
<p>In 2007 the average Kiwi household spent around $950 a week, including groceries, fuel, clothing and healthcare, around $106 of which was GST&#8221;.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t done the sums, but why else have that paragraph referring to 2007 expenditure following directly after the $21.25 increase to household bills if it doesn&#8217;t form the basis for the GST calculation?</p>
<p>Also, can somebody post the figures for the average wage? $25K ish?</p>
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		<title>By: Ms X</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198024</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would they do it if it was &#039;fiscally neutral&#039;?  Or if the average person was better off?   Does anyone actually believe them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would they do it if it was &#8216;fiscally neutral&#8217;?  Or if the average person was better off?   Does anyone actually believe them?</p>
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		<title>By: Lanthanide</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198023</link>
		<dc:creator>Lanthanide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, seems pretty straight forward that the first figure is the net difference of the whole package (being a net increase), while the GST part is talking only about the gross reduction portion of the package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, seems pretty straight forward that the first figure is the net difference of the whole package (being a net increase), while the GST part is talking only about the gross reduction portion of the package.</p>
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		<title>By: spot</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/tax-cut-bizzaro-world/comment-page-1/#comment-198022</link>
		<dc:creator>spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online article is missing the table included in the paper (page A2), figures sourced via NZIER.

$37-49K has a cut of $18, a GST inc. of $14, &quot;in the pocket&quot; of $5
$49-62k has a cut of $24, a GST inc. of $15, &quot;in the pocket&quot; of $10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online article is missing the table included in the paper (page A2), figures sourced via NZIER.</p>
<p>$37-49K has a cut of $18, a GST inc. of $14, &#8220;in the pocket&#8221; of $5<br />
$49-62k has a cut of $24, a GST inc. of $15, &#8220;in the pocket&#8221; of $10</p>
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