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Tea Party turns violent

Written By: - Date published: 11:10 am, January 9th, 2011 - 220 comments
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Only one US Congressperson has ever been assassinated – Leo Ryan during the Jonestown Massacre. Gabrielle Giffords may become the second after a gunman shot her and others, killing at least one, in Arizona. This appears to be part of a rising tide of violence from America’s far-right Tea Party movement, driven on by Glenn Beck and others.

Ever since Barack Obama became President, and even before, the rightwing media in the US has been fomenting paranoia among their target audience. You’ve seen the youtube clips of Beck crying about his ‘fear for my country’ and drawing elaborate conspiracy theories on his blackboard – and you’ve laughed (hopefully). But a lot of Americans take the message very seriously and I’ve been worried for a long time about how they will act.

With Beck, Sarah Palin, Rush Limburgh, Ann Coulter, and others spreading fear that Obama is planning a socialist military coup and calling for opposition in quasi-militaristic terms to ‘defend the constitution’, it was inevitable that some of their audience would react with violence towards Democrats.

Congresspeople are receiving an unprecedented number of threats, mostly from this Tea Party Right. Last year, a man ‘expressed his constitutional right’ by openly baring an automatic weapon at a rally attended by President Obama. A man recently plead guilty to calling former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and threatening to blow up her house. In July, a man got in a gunfight with police on his way to attack the leftwing American Civil Liberties Union. The architects of the Tea Party movement have encouraged their followers to want their opponents dead – it was only a matter of time until someone acted successfully.

Yesterday a gunman, identified as Jared Laughner (now in custody), a US, opened fire with an automatic weapon on Congresswoman Giffords, her aides, and constituents meeting her at a supermarket. At least one aide is dead and Giffords is in critical condition having been shot in the head.

In a sign of the times, Laughner left what he thought would be his last statement on Youtube. It’s a confused, ranting all-text message that calls the Obama and the Democrat’s laws are treasonous, talks about defending the Constitution, says the revolutionaries have taken control, and says that the currency should be backed by gold or silver. All these are regular themes of Beck and his peers.

The Tea party movement, a creation of extreme rightwing media outlets like Fox News and funded by rightwing billionaires the Koch Brothers, has brought a new level of hatred to the US political environment and incited violence. Perhaps this who movement is just an inevitable expression of the turmoil that always occurs when an empire collapses on itself but, as long as the rightwing elite continue to whip their followers into a frenzy, we will see more and more acts like this.

PS. the pic on the front page is of a Tea Party protester. His sign is a reference favoured by Tea Partiers to Thomas Jefferson’s quote: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

Update: illuminatedtiger has supplied links to two Sarah Palin messages that imply violence towards Giffords. A map with Giffords’ seat in the crosshairs and an event message saying “target victory … remove Gabrielle Giffords … shoot a fully automatic M16.”

220 comments on “Tea Party turns violent”

  1. The Voice of Reason 1

    US Democrat Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords assassinated:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12143774

    If only she’d been carrying a gun. Or a bigger gun. Or lots of guns. That woulda saved her.

    • ianmac 1.1

      VOR: Giffords is still alive- in surgery as at 9am.

      • Descendant Of Smith 1.1.1

        She was on Sarah Palin’s hit list.

        Whether related to this or not I hope our politics never ever get this low or offensive.

        Palin

        • The Voice of Reason 1.1.1.1

          Palin’s presidential campaign should be over now. This will stuff her the way the Anderton ‘earthquake’ story ended his mayoralty bid.

          Desperate Palin press release just out:

          My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today’s tragic shooting in Arizona.

          On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice.

          Sarah Palin

          • QoT 1.1.1.1.1

            US bloggers I read aren’t so optimistic – already the Republican Speaker of the House is spinning this as “an attack on a person who serves is an attack on all of us”, the “crazed lone gunman” rhetoric is going strong and frankly I have no faith in the US media to turn around after years of reporting and ignoring the eliminationist rhetoric of the right and actually holding them to account.

            Because apparently the cognitive dissonance required to believe that (a) Sarah Palin saying “don’t retreat, reload” and talk of “Second Amendment remedies” has nothing to do with (b) people shooting Democrats isn’t sufficient to make one’s head explode.

            • Deadly_NZ 1.1.1.1.1.1

              Give them time and the *lone Gunman* will become a terrorist they will arrest all his friends and aquaintances and grill them too, there will be terrorist cells and bomb threats suddenly exposed (live and in colour on all major networks). You really would not want to be in this guys address book.

              • QoT

                I simply don’t accept that when at this stage it looks like Lone White US-Style Libertarian Gunman Takes Out “Liberal” Politician. If there were any suggestion of this being Middle East / War on Terror related, we’d already have calls for all dark-skinned people to be stuck in preventative custody. But Americans simply do not like to accept that people who are white and say they’re doing it for [the Christian] God and Country are “terrorists”.

                See the case of Scott Roeder. Because apparently years of Bill O’Reilly calling Dr Tiller a baby murderer, and huge nationwide networks of extreme prolifers, had nothing to do with … an extreme prolifer murdering Dr Tiller.

                • NickS

                  Yeah, you’d think with all the noise over militant Islamists online forums etc the US media might have twigged that echo rooms like the FreeRepublic and other sites combined with utterly insane moonbats such as Glen Beck on tv might actually provide a fertile environment for legitimising domestic terrorism. Then again, white, GOP voting males can’t possibly be terrorists…

                  • QoT

                    Thanks, Nick, I’d managed to block the existence of FreeRepublic from my brain for a few years there … :P

        • Deadly_NZ 1.1.1.2

          Read the comments at the bottom of this one the best is Sarah her self.

          http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2010/06/jesse-kelly-event-is-this-wording-intentional.html

        • Deborah Kean 1.1.1.3

          Coincidentally, I am reading a thread on the ‘tin foil hat site’ about this
          http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread648434/pg3
          It’s about 50% paranoid victim-blaming, and quite terrifying really…
          I really thank God, can’t see anything like that happening here!
          Deb
          captcha bidding – as in the psycho-boy doing Palin’s bidding?

    • Bill 1.2

      Just in relation to the gun element. You are aware that she is pro-gun?

      More substantially, it’s been being said for some time now that the failure of the establishment’s liberals and their institutions to play the traditional role of allowing the populace to ‘let off steam’ and promote genuine reforms was going to lead to a backlash coming from the ‘hi-jacking’ and deliberate mis-targetting of legitimate popular anger.

      Maybe this is indicative of that prediction beginning to come to fruition?

      • mickysavage 1.2.1

        You are aware that she is pro-gun?

        If she is an elected representative in Arizona then the chances are pretty good that she would be pro gun …

      • Deborah Kean 1.2.2

        “Just in relation to the gun element. You are aware that she is pro-gun? ”
        This is one time where I can legitimately say “Oh the irony!”
        Deb

    • RedLogix 1.3

      In a civilised country Palin would be in custody and facing serious criminal charges right now.

      • Blair 1.3.1

        In a civilised country, people have free speech. It’s the uncivilised ones which lock people up for saying things you don’t like.

    • Deadly_NZ 1.4

      Hmmm I thought Assassinated meant Dead.

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/4523295/Congresswoman-shot-in-US-gun-drama

      Doc’s are optomistic she will make a full recovery Hmmm shot point blank in the head. Thats gotta scramble your marbles.

      • QoT 1.4.1

        Initial reports said she, along with several others, was dead. Nevertheless it’s an assassination attempt and it will be fascinating if the US media deign to report it as such (instead of a “shooting”, for example).

      • NickS 1.4.2

        Hmmm shot point blank in the head. Thats gotta scramble your marbles.

        The fact that she’s still alive indicates that the bullet either didn’t penetrate the brain deeply, or grazed the side of her head. Provided they keep the swelling down, she’ll probably recover pretty closely to normal functions.

        • Deadly_NZ 1.4.2.1

          Yep and it really wont matter in the end cos she’s a politician and you just cant tell.

          Or as a line from the TV series Bones when she and Hodgkins are buried alive goes.

          Bones “if this goes wrong it’ll scramble our brains”
          Hodgkins ” then we can run for congress”

          True so true

          • Deborah Kean 1.4.2.1.1

            Neither funny nor true… Deadly NZ, the RW statement/belief that all politicians are stupid or liars, is getting pretty old.
            Deb

            • Deadly_NZ 1.4.2.1.1.1

              Ummmm I’d have a good look at the guy we have incharge if I was you. he may not be stupid. BUT in the terms of running a country he’s an idiot. and as for politicians being liars well just look back at the last political year, the NACTS have very good at lying, unfortunatly for them they also got caught.

              • Vicky32

                Some politicians are stupid. Some lie. They are (anti-gummint crazy rhetoric notwithstanding) human beings.
                Any time I hear a “joke” about stupid/lying/crazy evil politicos, I dismiss that person as not being a thinker.
                You should see the unspeakable hatred I am reading right now on the tin foil hat site – “the first shot in a war against the tyrannical regime”
                “The start of the necessary revolution” and in reply to someone who said pretty much “hey, include me out, I want no part of a revolution that starts by shooting an unarmed woman “Good thing the Founding Fathers didn’t think like you”.
                She’s a politician. They are stupid/evil. She deserved it.
                And someone greeted the news of the judge being killed with “He’s got to be a crook, after 40 years of feeding at the public trough”.
                Sounds just like Mark Bennett!
                Deb

                • Deadly_NZ

                  Yep matches the rhetoric i am reading on a radical right wing site. gotta read em to keep up with the lastest insanity that they propose. and some just have me shaking my head thinking, the link is posted in here somewhere

                  Only in America..

  2. jcuknz 2

    VOR … I hope you are being ironic.

    • The Voice of Reason 2.1

      Indeed I was being ironic, JC, though I was watching the coverage on Fox News at the time I wrote, and it hasn’t occurred to them that they might be part of the reason she was attacked, nor that the US’s insane attachment to guns encourages this sort of incident.

      • prism 2.1.1

        It’s not guns that shoot people, it’s rabid, hatefull ideologies that pull the trigger.

      • Deadly_NZ 2.1.2

        Well no wonder you were watching Fox thats pretty much a radical misreporting arm of the Republican party, stick to sky news lol

        • The Voice of Reason 2.1.2.1

          Yeah, Sky (owner: R Murdoch) is miles better than Fox (owner: R Murdoch). I’ve been watching Fox just to see if they make any mention of Palin, the Tea party or themselves as being implicated in the hate. Nothing yet, but I’ll let you know.

          The shooter seems to be a mixed up young man, convinced that the government was manipulating the peeps by misuse of grammar. If only it was that simple, eh?

  3. Girlfriday 3

    This entire post is a lie. The shooter is against the constitution,religion, and voted for Obama. This is a poison blog.

    • RedLogix 3.1

      mmm…. where did this come from?

      • Marty G 3.1.1

        Fort Lauderdale, Florida, USA.

        I don’t know how she would know how Laughner voted. Probably got it off a Beck/Palin conspiracy site.

        • QoT 3.1.1.1

          The current RWNJ spin is that it could, like, totally have been a Democrat! Because, um, Giffords voted against Nancy Pelosi! And Democrats are also, y’know, totally the party of violent rhetoric!

        • IrishBill 3.1.1.2

          The tea party right has a very efficient and aggressive internet strategy. From what I can see across US and UK blogs there’s already a concerted disinformation campaign going on. Looks like we attracted our first tea party troll. cool.

          • RedLogix 3.1.1.2.1

            Yes that’s what I thought IB. I have have heard about this sort of thing but to see it first hand with our own eyes is fascinating and chilling all at once.

            When you think about how fast and efficient this response was you get some idea of just how well organsised and resourced these people are. This troll posted six minutes after Eddie’s OP!!

            Only short-coming was that in their haste the actual attempt was rather clumsy. Often in the first 24hrs after an event like this little clues and snippets slip out that are later on covered up … I’ve seen this happen over and over. This was no ordinary troll, nor any kind of accident. We were targeted fast, cleanly and efficiently.

            The next round of disinformation will be a lot more sophisticated.

            • Tigger 3.1.1.2.1.1

              “This is a poison blog” is one of the better crazy lines the trolls have come up with lately. So points for hilarity there girlfriday.

      • QoT 3.1.2

        Ain’t obvious trolls adorable?

        • logie97 3.1.2.1

          Commenting.
          From memory a commenter on this site needs to register first, is moderated and then accepted. Therefore that “Troll” has been here before.

          Whilst I value the opportunity to read opinions of the political spectrum, there are times when some visitors to this site can be quite offensive/abhorrent and lend nothing to the debate. I particularly like the opportunity to develop threads. Comments like Girl Friday’s interrupt this process…

          Presumably the Sysops can recognise a country code/ISP of a contributor and take some control over them.

          I believe we have had this discussion before. This Blog is an excellent forum – it would be a shame if The Standard was to be dragged to the level of the Penguin or Cetacean.

          • Marty G 3.1.2.1.1

            you don’t need to register but the first comment from a new email address goes to auto-moderation. I released this one because it was interesting to see how quickly they were on to us and it doesn’t violate the rules of posting.

    • Deadly_NZ 3.2

      Or as the Radical Right over there put it

      http://rightwingnews.com/#post24690

  4. RedLogix 4

    If the kind of language used by Palin, Beck and other sundry nutters in the Tea Party was direct at say, gays or black Americans… we would have little problem recognising that kind of language as a violence inciting hate-crime.

    But when the target is political things get blurry don’t they?

    PS The reports I’m reading suggest that so far Giffords has survived surgery. But at least one child has been killed. If anything this makes it worse.

  5. illuminatedtiger 5

    Fire up a group of people who by nature lack the ability to think things through in a rational manner and this was bound to happen. Sarah Palin literally put a crosshair on Giffords ( http://imgur.com/Uw4RS , http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1294/aakelly048c.png ).

    • Bill 5.1

      It’s not helpful to dismiss tea partiers and such like as mere idiots who “by nature lack the ability to think things through in a rational manner”. I mean, did you form your political opinions free from external influence? Or have they been shaped and guided by received information or received ‘wisdoms’?

      Fact of the matter is that there is a lot of justifiable anger around, and not just in the USA. The liberal elites ( all over the show) have forsaken their natural constituencies in order to accomodate corporate agendas. As a consequence, there are no avenues to express anger in ways that might result in positive outcomes. Liberal institutions that used to faccilitate positive reform have been neutered or dismantled while the corporate media peddle lines that reinforce feelings of insignificance and hopelessness.

      No vision or articulaton for feelings of general disquiet or anger by the left…articulations or visions that could engender hope in the form of reforms to come or whatever, leaves a vaccuum. And that will be filled by articulations predicated on putting a focus anywhere but on the real culprits behind policies that result in anger and discontent.

      And that means that liberals ( and liberal institutions ) that stood between us and corporate or private power are going to ‘get it in the neck’. And it’s not undeserved. They abandoned us and their moral foundations to sup with the devil in a quest for power. But there wasn’t a spoon long enough to keep them safe from a certain come uppance.

      Liberals have been complicit in the disempowerment of the citizenry. Now they ( the liberals) are isolated. And conveniently expendable little whipping boys.

  6. Colonial Viper 6

    The poor old Tea Party. Started as an ostensibly independent political movement and was then very efficiently and thoroughly hijacked by cynical big money Right wingers and Republicans.

    • Marty G 6.1

      exiledonline has very good coverage of the tea party. it’s been astroturf from the start. The term Tea Party was coined by a Fox News Presenter on a floor of a stock exchange.

      • THE MOUCH 6.1.1

        Wrong Marty. The term was coined by Rick Santelli, a presenter with CNBC which is owned by General Electric. Nothing to do with Fox.

        • Marty G 6.1.1.1

          sorry, you’re right – it was a rightwing TV commentator on the floor of a stock exchange though.

          • IrishBill 6.1.1.1.1

            Indeed it was Santelli and exiledonline tracked his rant back to the Koch’s rightwing astroturf outfit Freedom works: http://exiledonline.com/exposing-the-familiar-rightwing-pr-machine-is-cnbcs-rick-santelli-sucking-koch/

            The teaparty movement is and always was an astroturf by far right billionaires which sucked in angry rednecks who have been disenfranchised by the same billionaires they now do the bidding of. Like they say, there’s two kinds of republican: millionaires and suckers.

            • Draco T Bastard 6.1.1.1.1.1

              Like they say, there’s two kinds of NACT supporter: millionaires and suckers.

              Localised it for you

              • higherstandard

                Are these the same people who say “there’s two types of labour supporter: beneficiaries and morons” ?

                If so, I expect it’s the same lazy retards who can’t see beyond their own prejudices.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  Are these the same people who say “there’s two types of labour supporter: beneficiaries and morons” ?

                  Yep, NACT supporters.

                  If so, I expect it’s the same lazy retards who can’t see beyond their own prejudices.

                  Yep, I’d agree with that to.

                  NACT supporters tend to be lazy, uneducated (not willing to actually read the actual research) and delusional (willing to believe in that which is contrary to reality).

                  • McFlock

                    And of course the stereotype of Labour/left supporters is easily disprovable, given the existence of lefties who are not beneficiaries (e.g. and electorate MP where the majority of voters aren’t beneficiaries), as opposed to the fact that National consistently, unfailingly, stuff things up (economy, society, budgets, departments) when in government but they still get votes.

    • adriank 6.2

      Here’s a good piece from Rolling Stone’s Matt Taibbi on the the Tea Party movement:

      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/matt-taibbi-on-the-tea-party-20100928

      The stuff about to co-option of Rand Paul is incredible.

  7. Kaplan 7

    Christ. What is the point. These mad arseholes that would be in charge (Palin etc.) are 100% in control of their message.
    There is no question they are responsible for this. It’s sick. And I despair for us all.

  8. Pascal's bookie 9

    A vid released last year by country music C teamer and Tea party superstar Ray Stevens, of, Arizona:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWpOcZVnBrc

    But you know, this sort of thing is all just talk. Propaganda shouldn’t be taken seriously, no sir, lookitthatoverthere some lieberal is being shrill!!

  9. higherstandard 10

    I don’t know whether you can call the alleged shooter far right or far left…. certainly far nuts.

    search jared l lougher on google…….. whew what a looney pity these nuts don’t shoot themselves in the head first rather than turning their guns on others.

    http://themoderatevoice.com/97464/bio-favorite-books-of-man-in-custody-jared-lee-loughner-alleged-to-have-shot-and-killed-people-at-congresswoman-giffords-street-corner-congress-is-named/

    • Marty G 10.1

      He’s a tea partier, HS. Just accept it.

      see the list of books – the Tea Party loves Orwell because they see him as anti-communist – they don’t realise he was a communist, just as they don’t realise Rand was an atheist.

      I’ve just read Fahrenheit 451 – great book for anti-hedonism but the author has a libertarian rant at the end in the coda of my edition. Bradbury is a rightwinger.

      sure, Laughner’s got the communist manifesto in there but he’s also got Mein Kampf.

      Look at the man’s statement on youtube. Look at who he shot.

      • higherstandard 10.1.1

        Marty don’t you think you’re just a tad desperate to associate nuts with any group who you disagree with.

        The chap’s statement on youtube suggests he’s ingested one too many peyote cacti.

        Best you grow up and realise that the political spectrum ain’t a straight line it’s a circle with the extremists of all ilks meeting at the point flashing ”nut nut nut.”

        • Marty G 10.1.1.1

          he’s a tea partier.

          • higherstandard 10.1.1.1.1

            I’m still getting my head around the fact you’ve only just read Fahrenheit 451 – don’t they have it as part of required reading at high school anymore ?

            • illuminatedtiger 10.1.1.1.1.1

              He was a tea bagger. A lunatic from the far right. Accept it.

              • higherstandard

                Well in your little world I expect you’d call the congresswoman he shot a far right politician.

                Nuts are nuts are nuts, how you define them and how they define themselves doesn’t change their fringe nuttery any less or more, what’s fairly obvious to all but the rampantly partisan is that they inhabit most if not all political flavours

            • Deadly_NZ 10.1.1.1.1.2

              You are joking what with all the Cuts to the education, and preschool education by the NACTS you will be lucky if they can read and write teir own names and thats how the NACTS like it if they cant read then they cant complain and they will vote for who ever sounds the nicest..

        • the sprout 10.1.1.2

          looks like Palin is going to pay for this going by her facebook comments…

          http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/dont-get-demoralized-get-organized-take-back-the-20/373854973434

          • Deadly_NZ 10.1.1.2.1

            Well here’s hoping that someone will have the balls to question her about her hit list and then arrest her for conspiricy to murder. She fanned the flames she should pay. but as usual she will wriggle out of it. My god she is as dumb as a doorknob. and thats what makes her dangerous. Even Mcain should be say what the Fark have i woken up? give her a little tase of power and she goes mad.

            • Tigger 10.1.1.2.1.1

              I cam imagine what’s next, crazy tea partied hates fact that Palin’s been blamed for shooting and shoots up another senator on the list as punishment. It’s that kind of crazy logic that keeps these people warm at night.

  10. Afewknowthetruth 11

    All of this is just a side show (just as NZ politiics is). The media focus on this trivia to keep the proles distracted from the real issues, which are:

    Collapse of fiat currencies -been underway for decades and now accelerating, especially with respect to food.

    The peaking of oil extraction. This occured over the period 2005 to 2008 and will lead to complete collapse of all current economic arrangements over the next few years, including elimination of most of the food supply.

    Collapse of the environment. This is ongoing and accelerating, and could easily lead to a largely unihabitable planet. Deforestation, acidification of the oceans, massive drop in plankton numbers, melting ice caps (December recorded the lowest ice cover since satallites began imaging, and now the jet streams look to be disrupted.)

    No wonder nobody wants to talk about the real isssues.

  11. deemac 12

    can any posts that refer to the “liberal elite(s)” just be deleted to stop us wasting time reading them? Thanks!

  12. Name 13

    No doubt this guy’s political leanings, or whatever idiosyncratic mish-mash of political views he has, will be much trawled over in the coming days.

    For the moment I’ve no idea what they were, but I am aware that a great many people who voted for Obama and invested a great deal of hope in him are feeling not only hugely betrayed by him and his unfulfilled promises of change and transparency, but are in a state of despair at the patent corruption of democracy in the US, the apparent unimpeachably of the rich elite, the joke that the “American Dream” has become, &tc.

    For that reason I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn that this violence is an expression of the fury and frustration of those on the left who following Obama’s perceived betrayal have given up on the democratic process – and those who claim to represent them within it – and that is a deeply worrying thing.

  13. interesting 14

    I understand that the shooter is in fact a democrat. But I guess we will see in the days to come because I am sure that tea party people will want to prove that he is not associated with them.

    • QoT 14.1

      And of course the logical place to start is by trying to scrub the internet clean of all your “target” and gunsight-related rhetoric. “We must establish he was not one of us … by santizing our Twitter accounts!”

  14. Tanz 15

    Typical of the left to blame the Tea Party movement, anything to discredit a movement that has gained much momentum and power, and for much needed reasons. Get a life, has nothing to do with the Tea Party movers, and they are light relief indeed. A true right wing group, rather than one who pretends to be.

    • The Voice of Reason 15.1

      Have you met Girlfriday, Tanz? Up at comment 3. She’s desperate, too, but then her idol Sarah Moron has just seen her presidential aspirations go down the gurgler. What’s your motivation for ignoring reality?

    • Deadly_NZ 15.2

      hey maybe you should READ some of the attachments (you click on the pretty blue underlined writing.) Maybe then you will see that your idol has blood on her hands, there again judging by your comments you have blinkers on. maybe you could buy yourself a one way ticket to the land of the Paranoid and Insane if they will let you in.

  15. Irascible 16

    The Sheriff and Mayor of the city are registering anger about the attack at 10 on the richter scale. “Arizona” becoming the state of hatred, of prejudice and irrationality… This shooting is, unfortunately, a reflection of the dark under belly that comes from the constant appeals to bigotry that has become the modus operandi of right wing politics since the 1970s.
    We have seen how easily that bigotry can be tapped in NZ from Muldoon’s “Dancing Cossacks” in the 70s through to Pansy’s capitalising on the “Crime is aimed at Asians” campaign in Botany 2008, the ACT argument that “Opt out” Student Association membership is equivalent of gang rape and the NACT memes on light bulbs, shower heads and “nanny state.”
    We may not get the shooters but we will get the irrational violence against those who don’t buy into their belief system.

  16. RedLogix 17

    Of course not Tanz… the revolutionary and violent language of the Tea Party, it’s focus on discrediting the entire political process and the very purpose of government… of course these things have nothing to do with formenting an environment in which violent revolutionary acts designed to discredit and destabilise government occur.

    Nothing at all sir.

    • Tanz 17.1

      That’s because the American govt has been infiltrated by the Left, almost to a stanglehold, same as here. And it’s Madam, not Sir. Having a lovely holiday? Best wishes to you.

      • Colonial Viper 17.1.1

        That’s because the American govt has been infiltrated by the Left, almost to a stanglehold, same as here.

        What.

        • QoT 17.1.1.1

          I want to see Tanz go to some country that’s actually leftwing. She might explode.

        • McFlock 17.1.1.2

          POLS 100 class 1:

          When you have blatantly biased media propaganda media and outright lie to voters, that’s “democracy”.

          When more people vote for anyone even vaguely left-wing than vote for anyone else, that’s “leftist infiltration”.

      • Draco T Bastard 17.1.2

        No Tanz, it’s the right that has got a stranglehold on politics the world over. This is due to them owning the MSM and thus being able to control the message.

  17. Blair 18

    What a lot of bullcrap!

    Jared Loughlin had NOTHING to do with the Tea Party. He has a video of someone burning the American flag on his website FFS! People who knew him have described him as “left wing”. So cut out the crap about Sarah Palin.

    Gifford is a Blue Dog Democrat. DailyKos had her on a hitlist of their own, complete with a bullseye! In the last couple of days, Kos also posted that Gifford was “dead to me” because of her vote against Pelosi for Speaker. Maybe, just maybe, Loughlin read that and decided to act?!

    I’m sorry to shatter so many well-crafted and bigoted vents of hate against all things Tea Party and Palin, but the shooter is one of your guys (and he killed a Republican Judge too). Deal with it.

    • IrishBill 18.1

      Welcome to New Zealand’s blogosphere Blair. What brings you to our neck of the woods?

    • QoT 18.2

      It would probably help if you actually got the alleged shooter’s name right in your spin attempts, Blair. When trying to build some kind of credible opposition based on “facts”.

    • Deborah Kean 18.3

      Blair, I have no idea who your are, except that you’te almost certainly an American…
      “Gifford is a Blue Dog Democrat. DailyKos had her on a hitlist of their own, complete with a bullseye! In the last couple of days, Kos also posted that Gifford was “dead to me” because of her vote against Pelosi for Speaker. Maybe, just maybe, Loughlin read that and decided to act?!”
      The above is almost word for word what I have just read on an American nutjob site, posted early this morning NZ time.
      You assert that the shooter is “one of your guys” which shows staggering ignorance of the site you’re writing on. The Standard and people on it, bear no resemblance to what right wing Americans call “left wing”..
      Deb

      • IrishBill 18.3.1

        It’s posted from Arkansas and I suspect it’s cut and paste. Possibly from a distributed lines sheet. The freepers are working overtime today.

    • Does he mean Jared Lee Loughner? Did he get any of the other information right?

      I guess for those who believe that Obama was not born in the US anything is possible.

    • Kevin Campbell 18.5

      Blair, dont bother trying to reason logically with inbreds that have accidentally bumped into sophistication.

  18. NameRequired 19

    probably a tad early to say at this time if he was tea party or not

    • QoT 19.1

      But, as I am happy to keep repeating for as long as it takes, definitely not too early to consider that when an elected representative is literally “targeted” by an opponent using gunsight imagery and talking about “prescribing solutions” to an audience of known extreme fringers … then that opponent needs to own the fuck up about the inappropriateness of that imagery and how they have personally incited and contributed to a culture of violence.

    • Bright Red 19.2

      you can’t deny that Palin, Beck and co have brought a language of violence into the US discourse and hinted at ‘second amendment’ solutions to the Democrat ‘problem’.

      You can’t deny that Giffords is one of the people targeted by the leaders of the Tea Party Movement.

  19. Michael 20

    You guys apologising for John Hinckley Jr then? And Lee Harvey Oswald as well(you could hardly call him right wing).

    • Craig Glen Eden 20.1

      Palin, Beck, Tea Party all nut jobs “God bless America” where health care for all is viewed as Evil.

      Carrying a gun which is ultimately for killing is believed by many as a God given right. This would be the same God who commands that “though shalt not kill”

      This is the Nation that worships money and the love of it yet the Bible clearly teach’s the love of money is the root of all evil.
      The United States of America is seriously mixed up when a person like Sarah Palin is viewed as a Serious candidate to run the country.It seems just like Rome it is endanger of self destruction.

      • Deadly_NZ 20.1.1

        Well lets hope the right wing nut jobs don’t get into power or they could use the guns for medical reasons. You broke your leg and your poor BANG.

        • Colonial Viper 20.1.1.1

          Or, you broke your leg and you’re a Democrat. BANG.

          • McFlock 20.1.1.1.1

            Somebody paid us to break your legs, here’s the bill for our expenses, and a cash-in-advance invoice for the execution bullet, as per our normal terms and conditions.

            • Colonial Viper 20.1.1.1.1.1

              And if you could sign this for us, it’ll authorise us to sell both your kidneys on the open market since you will not be requiring their functionality any more.

    • Bright Red 20.2

      this post is about how the violent rhetoric of the Tea Party has encouraged violence, including, most likely, the attempted assissination of a US congresswoman.

      It does not say ‘only rightwingers are ever violent’.

  20. john 21

    This Sheriff says what is really going on there

    Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, speaking about Arizona:

    “When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government. The anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And, unfortunately, Arizona I think has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/jared-lee-loughner-gabrielle-giffords-shooter_n_806243.html

    • higherstandard 21.1

      That’s probably the sanest comment on this whole thread, sounds like a good cop.

      • Zorr 21.1.1

        And you are the biggest cocksnot. You sound like a complete fucktard.

        [lprent: That was completely pointless abuse. You're lucky I was elsewhere yesterday and Marty saw it before I did. You'd have received a cooldown. ]

        • higherstandard 21.1.1.1

          Delightful – where’s a moderator when you need one.

        • Marty G 21.1.1.2

          unhelpful and uncalled for Zorr. Don’t do it again.

          • higherstandard 21.1.1.2.1

            Thanks Marty.

            • Zorr 21.1.1.2.1.1

              Sorry. Just… been expecting something like this for a long time and the obfuscation coming out of the US from the likes of FOX News, Palin, Glenn Beck, John McCain and their supporters is just infuriating.

              It is obvious from the initial research in to the guy that he is a genuine crazy. The important question to ask is “why did he choose to attack Giffords and who inspired him to do so?” Saying that the Democrats and their supporters espouse the same violent rhetoric as the Republicans/Tea Party types is a demonstrably false equivalency.

              • higherstandard

                Zorr

                Whomever is in opposition seems to be the most active in terms of violent rhetoric – certainly at the moment that is those towards the red side in the US political scheme but those on the blue side were just as vile when Bush and the republican were in power.

                It’s the same vitriol, but to a lesser extent, espoused by the activist and politically active groups in NZ depending who’s in power

                • Zorr

                  I have to disagree. Democrat representatives have never espoused “Second Amendment remedies”. Telling people that it is okay to use their guns is a form of domestic terrorism and is even more so after this incident.

    • Bright Red 21.2

      you encourage violence and eventually one of your unhinged followers acts – simple as that.

    • Inventory2 21.3

      Prejudice and bigotry are not the sole preserve of the right …

  21. Zorr 22

    For those who care, a list of the dead. This doesn’t include those in critical condition (that includes Gabrielle Giffords) but it does include a 9-year old child.

    http://www.kvoa.com/news/pcso-identifies-the-6-killed-in-shooting/

    Honestly, fuck you Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin and the stupid fucked up horse you rode in on (FOX News).

  22. Pascal's bookie 23

    Local cops are looking for a second suspect…

    8:13 P.M. Officials Looking for Second Suspect in Shooting
    Officials in Arizona are looking for a second suspect in the shooting just outside of Tucson but declined to elaborate other than to say they have a picture of the person and would like to find him

    Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik said there is “some reason to believe” that the 22-year-old suspect they have in custody did not act alone.

    “He has kind of a troubled past, I can tell you that,” Mr. Dupnik said of the person in custody. He would not reveal his name, though many reports have said he is Jared Lee Loughner.

    “We are not convinced that he acted alone. There is some reason to believe that he came to this location with another individual. That the other individual may in some way be involved.”

    But the sheriff said that he could not disclose more information. “As much as we would like to find this person, and we have pictures of him” he declined to provide information.

    The sheriff later said that the second suspect was a white man in his 50s.

    Cite

  23. Kevin Campbell 24

    EDDIE

    What brain cell sparked you into this inane link between patriots and the murdering nutcase that purpetrated this senseless violence?

    The fact that THE STANDARD allows this total gob shite proves pond scum are alive and well in the NZ political environment.

    • Marty G 24.1

      let us count the links between this action and the Tea Party.

      Palin identifies Giffords with a target
      Her Tea Party opponent at the recent election wrote “target victory … remove Gabrielle Giffords … shoot a fully automatic M16.”
      An angry Tea Party audience member at the Giffords event had a weapon drop form his trousers while speaking
      The Tea Party has been constantly hinting at violent action to counter supposed attacks on the Constitution by the Democrats led by Obama and warned that he is planning a socialist revolution
      Giffords supported Obama’s healthcare reforms
      Laughner’s youtube video references ‘treasonous’ laws made by the government – as have the Tea Party leaders (Coulter wrote a book called Treason)
      Laughner says the revolutionaries have taken control, referring to Obama and his supporters like Giffords
      Laughner talks about the need for a gold standard – a Beck favourite (Beck has interests in a company that sells monetary gold)

      Laughner certainly seems to be unhinged but the rhetoric of the Tea Party has formed a basis for his actions.

      • Kevin Campbell 24.1.1

        Marty,

        Shall we sit down and total up the number of murderers that have voted Labour against those that have voted National over the years?

        What a lame arse and disgracefully pathetic attempt to gain poltical advantage this post and your comments are. You should take several valium and lie down.

        • Marty G 24.1.1.1

          There is no claim in my comement or the post that only Rightwingers are violent. The argument is that the Tea Party’s rheotric has inspired violence from its unhinged followers. Try to get the difference.

          • mickysavage 24.1.1.1.1

            Where is Kevin from?

            • Marty G 24.1.1.1.1.1

              domestic. we don’t usually go into people’s locations. It was just interesting when the Tea Party targeted us so quickly.

              • RedLogix

                What is most telling is that the USA is a nation of huge political diversity. Every conceivable extreme of opinion. But when events like this occur, we have new and vociferous vsitors from just one narrow segment of that diversity.

                Besides, while Kevin Campbell appears domestic, there are aspects that around him that are interesting.

                • Kevin Campbell is an Actoid with a strong and public dislike of Rodney Hide. I doubt that this dislike is strong enough to turn him into a Laughner though.

                  [Thanks.. that does more or less make sense. Event's like this do tend to agitate my bs detector a little...RL]

          • Speaking Sense To Unions 24.1.1.1.2

            any evidence that Loughner is a Tea Party follower?

        • Zorr 24.1.1.2

          Or we could look at the driving motivators behind the crime instead of raising strawmen as you seem to want to do. You could actually engage with the issue at hand, admit that a tragedy like this was just a matter of law enforcement being unlucky once and a nutter (for that is what he is) getting lucky. This is not the first instance of violence being attempted due to the rhetoric employed by FOX News and their cronies, just the first example of a successful one.

    • RedLogix 24.2

      As predicted abover Marty, subsequent attempts have proven to be a lot more sophisticated. “Mr Kevin Campbell” has a most interesting provenance.

  24. logie97 25

    @marty 12:44

    There appears to be evidence from discussions above that this thread is truly global. I appreciate that that is the nature of the internet – comments can be read from anywhere.

    However, does that mean that commenters should have open entry?

    It would be nice to think that threads on most topics on this site are local. One assumes that the system could filter out non-residents and consign them to the bin.

    Captcha: proofs

  25. Vicky32 26

    Just before I go and get dinner – I want to report that the tin foil hat site were all over the shooter’s Facebook profile that showed him as a “liberal” – yelling with joyful relief that his FB profile showed he couldn’t possibly be a Tea Partier.
    Until someone showed that the FB page was a fake put up 45 minutes after Loughner was already in custody. But what’s the betting that RWNJs will be pointing to the fake FB page for some time to come, as “proof” of his being a “liberal”?
    Deb

  26. Danyl Mclauchlan 27

    I had a look at the youtube video – there’s some gold standard rhetoric, but also a lot of inductive logic (not a strong point of the tea party movement), post-modern ideas about government mind-control via ‘grammer’ and (I think) lucid dreaming. To me this doesn’t point towards the tea-party, it points towards an undiagnosed, un-medicated paranoid schizophrenic.

    • Zorr 27.1

      My thoughts as to the origins of this is that the shooter is truly disturbed but was taken advantage of by others. They are searching for accomplices.

    • QoT 27.2

      Oh, Danyl, must you too join the ranks of the unimaginative “only a Crazy Person would do this!!!” clairvoyant psychiatrists? Perfectly “sane” people belief bizarre shit all the time. Perfectly “sane” people commit violent crime. A perfectly “sane” person in the anti-intellect violence-inciting-propaganda-filled atmosphere of United States tea party politics is quite capable of recording videos about conspiracy theories and then shooting people.

    • Marty G 27.3

      The guy’s clearly nuts, the fact that he shot 17 people is evidence enough of that.

      But his writing also clearly illustrates the influence of the violent rhetoric of the Tea party movement.
      As does the fact that he acted out his violence in a manner prescribed by Tea Party rhetoric – ie. his violence was political and targeted at an enemy of the tea Party movement.

      Also, he had an accomplice, which doesn’t point to the lone crazy guy excuse you’re buying.

      • QoT 27.3.1

        the lone crazy guy excuse you’re buying.

        I beg your fucking pardon? Sorry, I’m just all over the place today trying to explain why making assumptions about people’s mental health based on prejudiced notions about “rationality” and “normalcy” is both presumptuous and offensive.

        What you are buying into is the notion that Normal People Don’t Do Things Like This, a wonderful excuse for all occasions when you want to marginalise and invalidate people’s thoughts, feelings and actions. Which may seem fine and fucking dandy when we’re talking about Obviously Nuts People, but could you think for one fucking moment about the people who live with actual, diagnosed by doctors rather than people on the Internet mental illness every fucking day who get pretty much the same assumptions made about their thoughts, feelings and actions?

        What am I saying, I’m on the blog where people like to pretend “schizophrenic” exists in a mental-illness-connotations-free vacuum and it’s somehow a clever argument to write off Cameron Slater because he has depression rather than take the minimal effort to refute his bullshit.

        • Marty G 27.3.1.1

          “What you are buying into is the notion that Normal People Don’t Do Things Like This, a wonderful excuse for all occasions when you want to marginalise and invalidate people’s thoughts, feelings and actions.”

          Shooting 17 people, killing six, even if your actual actions have been shaped by political rhetoric is an example of “invalid toughts, feelings and actions”. That doesn’t mean all mentally ill people engage in such actions.

          I’m saying that, by definition, taking the law into your own hands and killing six people including a little girl because of your screwed up political notions isn’t within the spectrum of normal human behaviour. And his writing – a mental health specialist has already said it shows signs of mental illness.

          Please don’t take that as ‘all mentally ill people are violent and dangerous’ because it clearly says no such thing. Just as it doesn’t say that all tea party followers are violent murderers.

          • QoT 27.3.1.1.1

            Gee, Marty, because basing notions of “normalcy” on “what most people do” isn’t seriously fucking problematic.

            It’s ironic, though, how in a post about tea partiers contributing to a culture of violence – not by saying “shoot all these people” but just, you know, implying they should all be dealt with in some way – you’re going to act like your own implications about what constitutes “obvious” mental illness doesn’t likewise contribute to a culture of ableism.

            • Marty G 27.3.1.1.1.1

              not all mentally ill people act violently. I am not, repeat not, saying that mentally ill people are all like Laughner. I am not stereotyping mentally ill people as being like Laughner – any more than someone seeing a person performing a kapa haka and says ‘that person is probably Maori’ is saying that all Maori perform kapa haka.

              A mental health expert has already said that Laughner’s writing points to mental illness.

              The whole problem with the Tea Party’s rhetoric of violence is not that it will provoke most people but that it will become a driver for people with violent fantasies to act on them.

              • QoT

                Marty, you don’t need to say “I’m not saying [thing you are clearly not saying].” The whole point of contributing to ableist discourse is exactly like what Sarah Palin did, i.e. making indirect statements that feed into a wider cultural set of assumptions.

                “Signs” of mental illness =/= mental illness.
                “Points to” mental illness =/= mental illness.

                Which of course is a distraction from the main point anyway: you are making assumptions about a person’s mental health based on bullshit notions of “normalcy” and because it’s an easy, lazy way to mark this person out as Not Worth Really Thinking About.

                “Normal” people believe propaganda and conspiracy theories and pick up guns and kill people all the time. For money, for land, for ideals. Writing off this guy as “obviously nuts” is about your intellectual snobbery and prejudice against mental illness.

                (I have no doubt that should this guy prove to actually have documented, properly-diagnosed mental illness you’ll feel very smug. You’ll still be judgemental and prejudiced.)

                • Marty G

                  I’m not prejudiced against people with mental illness, QoT and this misrepresentation of what i’m saying, clearly arising from your prejudices and over-sensitivities, is unjustified.

                  ““Normal” people believe propaganda and conspiracy theories and pick up guns and kill people all the time.”

                  there are some political environments where mass homicide is a ‘normal’ form of political action (Pakistan, Palestine, etc). US domestic politics has not been like that for generations. Witness the Tea Party trying to distance itself – even it does perceive the realisation of its rhetoric as legitimate.

                  • QoT

                    prejudices and over-sensitivities

                    Oh, Marty. How sweet of you to try to play turn-around and throw in a mildly-gendered insult into the bargain.

                    You’re making assumptions.
                    These assumptions fit in with a culture of prejudice against people with mental illness.
                    That’s shitty.

                    That’s all I’m saying. And it’s clearly borne out by everything you’ve said here (and previously, too!). But no, clearly I’m just an over-sensitive woman who hates you because … um … I’m sure you’ll come up with some reason in your own time.

                    • Marty G

                      it has nothing to do with your gender, which I don’t know or care about. you’re just attempting a misdirection.

                      I don’t think you hate me, I think you have strong reactions over anything to do with mental illness and I don’t know or care what the root cause of that is.

                      I’m not saying ‘all mentally ill people are violent and dangerous, therefore that mentally ill guy is going to shoot 17 people’ – because that would be prejudice against mentally ill people.

                      I’m making the assumption that to do these kinds of actions the person is probably ill, and the particular shape of his actions (and even their realisation at all) has been shaped by Tea Party rhetoric.

                    • McFlock

                      Marty.

                      I get that you’re not saying that every mentally ill person might kill.

                      I do have an issue with the concept that only mentally ill people might kill.

                      We work within our environment, our perceptual distortions (which might not be to the degree of a clinical mental disorder), and our ability to put two and two together.

                      If we live off Fox news, our environment is distorted, our perceptions are influenced by this experiential distortion and we could end up committing nutbar acts from a perfectly rational point of origin. Especially if we have someone encouraging us face to face, and are socially committed to the act by a nice little internet video. We’d be wrong, but we’d still be completely “sane”.

                    • QoT

                      Marty, you protest too much. You’re in fact confirming everything I’ve been saying, it’s just that you don’t see why it’s really douchey to assume to diagnose other people’s mental conditions.

                      Handily, you’re also factually wrong on those assumptions; but because I’m blowed if I’ll explain it just for the edification of someone making really swell insinuations about my own neurochemistry, you’ll just have to check out my post on the subject.

                    • Eddie

                      Marty hasn’t made any mention of your mental state or your sex. None of this is about you personally.

                    • felix

                      Marty, you’re missing this so widely it has to be wilful and I can’t believe I have to come out of hibernation to point out the obvious bullshit of the position you’ve taken.

                      When you say “The guy’s clearly nuts, the fact that he shot 17 people is evidence enough of that.” you’re very clearly saying that only a mentally ill person could possibly be capable of doing such a thing.

                      If you can think of any – and I mean any, no matter how ridiculous – other way to interpret that statement, I’d love to hear it.

                    • Armchair Critic

                      Marty
                      I’m firmly of the opinion that it is not right to link mental illness to the actions of the gunman, because:
                      (a) the gunman may not have been mentally ill, and
                      (b) even if he was, his mental illness may not have influenced his actions, and
                      (c) making this link perpetuates myths about mental illness, and
                      (d) bring the issue of mental illness distracts from the main issues, which are:
                      (1) the people he killed and wounded, and
                      (2) the role that the Tea Party had in encouraging this kind of action.
                      Your attempted defence of what may well have been an ill-considered phrase in a comment doesn’t wash – can I commend to you a small dose of humble pie? We all make mistakes at times, but perpetuating this one, IMO, does you no favours.

                    • QoT

                      Marty hasn’t made any mention of your mental state or your sex. None of this is about you personally.

                      Eddie … I really want you to just think, for a moment, about how amazingly cliched a response this is to a woman who is being told she has “obvious issues” and is probably quite justified in taking personal things personally. What groups in society are traditionally criticised for “taking things personally” and “being oversensitive”? This isn’t Radical Marxist Feminism 440 or anything.

      • Hollyfield 27.3.2

        Pascal’s bookie at 7.37 wrote:
        The sheriff later said that the second suspect was a white man in his 50s.

        Based on the age of Loughner, my suspicion is that the second suspect could be his father. (My apologies to Mr Loughner snr if I’m wrong!)

        “The authorities were seen entering the Loughner family house about five miles from the shooting scene. Investigators said they were looking for a possible accomplice, believed to be in his 50s.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09giffords.html?_r=1&hp Sentences within a single paragraph should be related – so is it a coincidence that Loughner family house and accomplice are in the same paragraph?

        Here are some other father-son examples from the US:

        Father and son who bombed a bank in Oregan:
        SALEM, Ore. — A jury Wednesday recommended that a father and son be sentenced to death for planting a bomb that exploded inside an Oregon bank two years ago, killing two police officers and maiming a third. In a trial that spanned three months, prosecutors portrayed Bruce and Joshua Turnidge as bigoted men who hated authorities, were desperate for money and feared that newly elected President Barack Obama would take away their guns. http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_16923976#ixzz1AWXmL6J8

        Washington snipers John Allen Muhammad and John Lee Malvo:
        Mr Malvo, meanwhile, had arrived in America from Kingston, Jamaica with his mother, Una James in 1998. In October 1991 they arrived in Bellingham, and fell in with Mr Muhammad, who started dating Mr Malvo’s mother and began to exert a warped influence over Mr Malvo, who became a surrogate son. In December last year Mrs James called the Bellingham police to complain about Mr Muhammad’s control over her son, and his demands that he eat only crackers and honey and diet supplements. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article817827.ece

    • Speaking Sense To Unions 27.4

      spooky how intensely our own local version of the Tea Party has to shovel this into their World View without knowing what actually went on.

  27. Anne 28

    RedLogix said”
    “Mr Kevin Campbell” has a most interesting provenance.”

    We can take it from that he is one of Girlfriday’s Tea Party superiors brought into the fray to defend the indefensible?

    My oh my… what a desperate, disparate bunch of w—–s.

    [I'm not certain at this point.. he does appear domestic. But appearances are not all....RL]

    • wasi 28.1

      the Kevin Campbell that i know was the Alliance candidate in the Taranaki-King Country by-election in 1998…he is a lawyer and a devout catholic…he was very socially conservative and leaned to the right on many policy issues.

      • lprent 28.1.1

        It is a common name in politics here apparently. All I did was google for people of that name in NZ and got a hit on a ex-MP’s wikipedia page and this linkedin page.

        http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Kevin/Campbell/

        Speculating on who it is tends to be faintly ridiculous when you’re just looking at a name (which may even be a pseudonym) and where we won’t give out information that is required to decide which one it is. You should read the policy privacy section.

        If I see more speculation on identity, then someone is likely to have a wee holiday from the site

  28. prism 29

    “It is time to water the Tree of Liberty.”
    This is not as rabble-rousing as Jefferson’s quote as described above but pissing on the Tree of Liberty doesn’t seem in keeping with the sentiment of devotion and ideals expressed by all sundry.

    The USA sounds a bit like an ‘undeveloped’ country with ill-informed, bigoted peasants on one side following their own arcane rituals and the wealthy living wealthy, fortunate lives on the other. The role of the shit stirrer who doesn’t do any violence him or herself but plays on the latent anger and unhappiness of vulnerable people to vitalise them against some people assigned to be scapegoats is one of the most despicable behaviours of humans.

  29. john 30

    there was a Kevin Campbell who was a Alliance MP

    [No I don't think this is the same person at all. Normally we don't allow speculation on exactly who people are, but in this case Kevin Campbell does appear to have posted openly under a name that is in the public domain ...RL]

  30. john 31

    heres a interesting story… Tea Party Activism Tied to Extremists and Turning Violent

    http://www.politicalaffairs.net/report-tea-party-activism-tied-to-extremists-and-turning-violent/

  31. Danyl Mclauchlan 32

    Oh, Danyl, must you too join the ranks of the unimaginative “only a Crazy Person would do this!!!” clairvoyant psychiatrists? Perfectly “sane” people belief bizarre shit all the time. Perfectly “sane” people commit violent crime.

    I think the number of ‘perfectly sane’ people who commit mass-murder on the ground that the government is using grammar to brainwash everyone is actually pretty low.
    But the point you’re trying to make is that sane people commit acts of political violence – this is true in a trivial sense. But my amateurs impression of the youtube video is that it has all the characteristics of a mentally ill individual.

    • NickS 32.1

      The problem with inductive logic is that when you’re missing major bits of evidence, it tends to suck unless you apply the usual critical thinking tools to it. And in this case, we only have a small slice of his online activities available on top of the shooting incident, which as others have stated otherwise sane individuals tend to go on as well, but also his material thus far shown looks just like a person trying to grapple with po-mo concepts, but with out the tool kit to sort out the stupid shit*, along with ye olde fringe American Right concepts and a ton of anger. Thus while it might look like there’s a firm case for calling him “nutso”, there are factors which underdetermine any attempt at an ad-hoc diagnosis**, such as the lack of info about his day to day interactions and other online activities over time.

      And the “over time” is a key bit, as schizophrenia suffers have characteristic changes over time from non sufferer to various forms, which from memory is one the diagnostic indicators.

      Anyhow, I’m running late for work.

      _____________
      * Also seen in academia.
      ** Which you should leave to the professionals, because most times people only see the symptoms they want to see, leading to scores of self-diagnosed aspies, who art merely socially inept. Or assuming that mass murder + angry, incoherent videos = mentally ill

      • higherstandard 32.1.1

        All that is known about this fellow at present is the following.

        - apparently acted alone.
        - former classmates have described him as disturbed, a loner and given too odd outbursts, others have said he just kept to himself and his only friends were other band members at school.
        - has posted some very odd clips on youtube.
        - has been reported as using illicit drugs.
        - was known to law enforcement.
        - refused enrollment in military service.

        Of these the most interesting and the one that makes me wonder about his mental state is the last, it will be interesting if they ever release his medical history which would perhaps be very informative. There is no doubt that he is certainly very disturbed.

        • NickS 32.1.1.1

          - refused enrollment in military service.

          That one is interesting, but because we don’t know why, it doesn’t help, as it could just as easily be physical health issue(s) or historical actions by him, rather than mental health issues, and even if we go with mental health issues there’s a whole range of factors that could get someone refused. And no, the US Army doesn’t just take anyone, even with the numbers issues there’s still a whole range of things that can get you excluded from enrolling.

        • QoT 32.1.1.2

          Why do you have to “wonder” about his “mental state” at all?

          People with mental illness are literally no more likely to commit acts of violence than neurotypical people (linked above, no time before dashing to work to retrieve it!)

          As for being refused entry into the military, I have multiple NZ acquaintances who didn’t get in, and it was because they were “disturbed” or “obviously nuts”, it was because their personalities were not a fit for military service.

  32. happynz 33

    TV3 of course led their 6 o’clock news broadcast with the Arizona shootings. They incorrectly stated that Jared Lee Loughner was an Afghanistan veteran. He was not a veteran. He did indeed try to enlist but he was turned down. This information was made public long before TV3 went to air at 6 o’clock.

    TV3 does a good job with sport and weather, but not much else.

    • Colonial Viper 33.1

      TV3 does a good job with sport and weather, but not much else.

      Their coverage of celebrity marriages is usually OK.

  33. erentz 34

    When are the saner parts of America finally going to say, screw this, time for secession. At some point surely the Pacific and North East states have to recognise that patriotic feelings and tradition are just not worth it anymore, that they are being held back, having their quality of life erroded by these nutjob bible thumping states that can’t think straight. (This would either be bad for jesusland, allowing it to spin off even further into insanity — or it might snap it into sensibility. Either way it would be completely marginalised on the worlds political stages.)

    • Gosman 34.1

      What a completely ignorant analysis of the US.

      The parts that you claim to be the saner parts of the US are among the worse in terms of their economic position. California for example has massive budgetary issues. Many of the states you decry and label as ‘Jesusland’ are economically dynamic.

      As far as I can tell there is little to distinguish intellectually between a religious fundamentalist in the deep south of the US versus some New Age following Greeny in Souther California. They both believe in some wacky ideas.

      Regardless of this the ideas individuals hold personally doesn’t necessarily make any difference to the well being of society as a whole. Certainly you can’t claim this for the Religousity of Americans.

      • Colonial Viper 34.1.1

        Many of the states you decry and label as ‘Jesusland’ are economically dynamic.

        Don’t think so. If you can, name 4 such states with U-6 underemployment under 15% please.

        By the way, Texas – a homestead of Republican conservatism and oil wealth – state budget is about to come unhinged

        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/opinion/07krugman.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper

        • Gosman 34.1.1.1

          http://www.bls.gov/opub/gp/pdf/gp09_chart1.pdf

          As of 2009 the states that erentz suggests should break away from the US on the whole have a higher unemployment rate than much of the rest of the country. Certainly States such as Texas, Arkansas, Virginia, and Kansas (Bible belt country) have lower rates.

          Even if we look at the U6 rates (http://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm) you have decided to use as your yard stick, Bible Belt States such as Texas, Oklahoma, Virginia, and West Virginia as well as non Pacific and North Eastern States such North and South Dakota have lower rates than 15%. This is much better than most of the Pacific and North Eastern States.

        • Gosman 34.1.1.2

          Just looking at those figures the Pacific coast is one of the worst economically. California, Oregan, and Washington State have U6 Unemployment figures of 22.1, 20.2, and 18.1 % respectively. Perhaps they should break away from the Union so the rest of the country can do much better economically.

          • Colonial Viper 34.1.1.2.1

            Perhaps they should break away from the Union so the rest of the country can do much better economically.

            Only if the Union thinks it can do better economically by losing companies like Intel, Apple, Oracle and Boeing.

            Mind you what you are suggesting is the equivalent of a free market asset strip – dump operations viewed as unprofitable or undesirable and in doing so make the rest look better.

            • Gosman 34.1.1.2.1.1

              I notice you aren’t disputing that the Pacific coast is not doing as well economically, (as determined by your own choice of statistics), as a number of States in the so called “Jesusland” area of the the US.

              Also you have no idea about the concept of asset stripping. The key is to sell off the more valuable aspects of a business when the whole has less value than the individual components.

              • Blighty

                Gosman. The Coast states have been hard hit by recession but they’re still a hell of a lot wealthier per capita than flyover country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_per_capita_%28nominal%29

                • Gosman

                  Historically they have been wealthier but they are no longer as dynamic economically as many of the other parts of the States. It is like Japan now. It is still wealthier on a per capita basis than China but China is more dynamic and is cathcing up fast.

              • Colonial Viper

                Also you have no idea about the concept of asset stripping. The key is to sell off the more valuable aspects of a business when the whole has less value than the individual components.

                Uh that’s pretty much what I said. Get rid of the undesirable parts of the business to make the remainder look better (for sale).

                • Gosman

                  That’s not Asset stripping. As stated, it is when you sell of the valuable, (i.e. the DESIRABLE), parts of a business because they are worth more than the company as a whole. After Asset stripping there is usually not much left of the original business.

          • Blighty 34.1.1.2.2

            yeah, let Georgia, Tennessee, Missouri etc strike out on their own – they’ll do great!

      • erentz 34.1.2

        Looks like some others have responded to you regarding your economic argument.

        So let’s forget economic arguments because it’s hard to dispute these states would survive and thrive perfectly well economically if they split off from the union (even if they do have some debt issues at this time) — what about the non-economic reasons for why secession might be good for these states? Are differing opinions on how people should be governed, healthcare, foreign policy, education, etc. not important? It seems there is a fairly distinct difference between the preferred policies of people in the Pacific/Northeast states and those in the Middle/South states (sorry if my use of ‘jesusland’ offended you). The people in the Pacific/Northeast states should have the right to assert themselves and get the kind of policies they want.

        Now I would probably agree with you if you were to make an argument that this might be bad for the well being of the people in the Middle/South states because their craziness would no longer be tempered by the Pacific/Northeast states, but like a women in an abusive relationship, I don’t think she should should stick around because her abuser’s wellbeing might suffer without her.

        As for asset stripping — again, forget the economics, this is about policy issues: if the majority in the Pacific states want better healthcare why shouldn’t they be able to bring this about for themselves? How can they create a better life in those regards if they don’t seceed? The only other answer would be a serious overhaul of the federal election system, which would be far more difficult to achieve than secession.

        • Gosman 34.1.2.1

          You really don’t understand the U.S system of government at all.

          The country is a federal republic where the individual States have an incredible amount of autonomy in setting their own fiscal policy priorities.

          If a State like California wishes to set up a publically funded health sector then there is very little stopping them doing so except a lack of cash and/or political will.

          States certainly don’t need to secceed fronm the Union to achieve what you think is a good thing.

          • erentz 34.1.2.1.1

            Gosman, I understand the US system perfectly well thank you. Let’s not ignore the fact that the federal government is now involved in just about everything, there’s no clear demarcation between state and federal responsibilities. States are paying huge federal taxes, but representation that decides how to spend that tax is not fair or proportional (e.g. stupid shit like not spending your tax dollars on stem cell research because some nutjob fundies can’t get a grip, or going to war, etc).

            Evolving the electoral system to allow wider and more proportional representation would be great* and go a long way to solving the problems. But I think doing that would be harder than seceding.

            * My thoughts on that: having the elections run by a federal agency rather than each state. It is ridiculous that the opinion of someone doesn’t count because they’re in a blue or red state or district. So 1) make the presidential election a popular STV style vote, 2) make senate elections an STV vote in each state, 3) make representative elections an STV vote with large districts that elect a minimum of 5 representatives so minority groups are no longer unreasonably marginalised without representation. (Alternatively consider a MMP style system for the house, but that’s probably even harder) Set a 12 year term limit for the senate and house. Increase the terms for the house from 2 years to 4 years, reduce the senate terms to 4 years, and synchronise these with the presidential elections. Reduce the powers of the senate with regards to legislative activities to make the house almost entirely responsible for this, thus laws and taxes and the like that affect all US residents equally are handled with fair representation, while the senate is responsible for the checks and balances of the administration and things like the supreme court and doing things like foreign policy, treaties, what have you.

            • Gosman 34.1.2.1.1.1

              There is no ground swell of opinion in the US to change the political system at the moment. There may well be at some stage in the future but until there is then they have to put up with what they have got. On the whole the US seems happy with the political system they have anyway.

              You ignore the point I made that if individual State’s want to adopt policies such as a universal health system then they are free to do so under the current arrangements. In fact I believe Massachusetts has something along these lines already.

              As for your position that the current arrangement leads to situations where Stem Cell research cannot progress, I could equally argue that NZ political arrangement has led to GM crops being stopped from being commercialised just because of the objections of some unscientific Greenies.

              Your views that the Pacific and North Eastern States should consider breaking away because somehow they are being held back therefire doesn’t really hold water.

              • Bright Red

                “On the whole the US seems happy with the political system they have anyway.”

                Actually, they seem incredibly disenchanted. They’re switching from democratic to republican and back every few years. They tried tearing up the rule book by electing an african-american whose promises bioeld down simply to ‘change’ – which shows how desperately they want change. Now, the Right has spawned a reactionary (and increasingly violent) movement, so familiar to students of history looking at how other powers in decline have torn themselves apart.

  34. Blighty 35

    The information coming out points to Laughner being a Randriod.

    Just a couple of weeks ago he asked Giffords in a public q+a session “What is government if words have no meaning?”

    That’s a very Objectivist thing to say – the idea that there is fundamental truth that is obsecured by the language and culture of socialisation spread by statists and swallowed by the ‘sheep’. Apparently, Laughner is obsessed by this concept of fundamental ‘Objective’ truth and how government stops people achieving it.

    Some people think that since he’s an atheist he can’t be rightwing but they forget that any true Objectivst is atheist, just like Rand.

    • Pascal's bookie 35.1

      Try this:

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47329.html

      David Wynn Miller.

      I’ve not heard of the guy, but he looks to be more akin to the ‘sovereign citizen’ crowd than the objectivists…

      • Blighty 35.1.1

        that sovereign citizen thing sounds a lot like Objectivism though – all far out rightwing stuff, that basically boils down to ‘i’m a super man, stopping holding me down, parasites’

        • higherstandard 35.1.1.1

          I was thinking the more information that comes out about him the more he sounds like a severely disturbed young man – the continued efforts by section of the right and left leaning political tragics trying to label him as a rightee or leftee is all a bit of a fucking sideshow.

          • Blighty 35.1.1.1.1

            more from Krugman’s column for you HS:

            “It’s true that the shooter in Arizona appears to have been mentally troubled. But that doesn’t mean that his act can or should be treated as an isolated event, having nothing to do with the national climate.

            Last spring Politico.com reported on a surge in threats against members of Congress, which were already up by 300 percent. A number of the people making those threats had a history of mental illness — but something about the current state of America has been causing far more disturbed people than before to act out their illness by threatening, or actually engaging in, political violence.

            And there’s not much question what has changed. As Clarence Dupnik, the sheriff responsible for dealing with the Arizona shootings, put it, it’s “the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.” The vast majority of those who listen to that toxic rhetoric stop short of actual violence, but some, inevitably, cross that line.
            ..
            The point is that there’s room in a democracy for people who ridicule and denounce those who disagree with them; there isn’t any place for eliminationist rhetoric, for suggestions that those on the other side of a debate must be removed from that debate by whatever means necessary.

            And it’s the saturation of our political discourse — and especially our airwaves — with eliminationist rhetoric that lies behind the rising tide of violence.

            Where’s that toxic rhetoric coming from? Let’s not make a false pretense of balance: it’s coming, overwhelmingly, from the right. It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized; but Representative Michele Bachmann, who did just that, is a rising star in the G.O.P.

            And there’s a huge contrast in the media. Listen to Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, and you’ll hear a lot of caustic remarks and mockery aimed at Republicans. But you won’t hear jokes about shooting government officials or beheading a journalist at The Washington Post. Listen to Glenn Beck or Bill O’Reilly, and you will.

            Of course, the likes of Mr. Beck and Mr. O’Reilly are responding to popular demand. Citizens of other democracies may marvel at the American psyche, at the way efforts by mildly liberal presidents to expand health coverage are met with cries of tyranny and talk of armed resistance. Still, that’s what happens whenever a Democrat occupies the White House, and there’s a market for anyone willing to stoke that anger.

            But even if hate is what many want to hear, that doesn’t excuse those who pander to that desire. They should be shunned by all decent people.

            Unfortunately, that hasn’t been happening: the purveyors of hate have been treated with respect, even deference, by the G.O.P. establishment. As David Frum, the former Bush speechwriter, has put it, “Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we’re discovering we work for Fox.”

            So will the Arizona massacre make our discourse less toxic? It’s really up to G.O.P. leaders. Will they accept the reality of what’s happening to America, and take a stand against eliminationist rhetoric? Or will they try to dismiss the massacre as the mere act of a deranged individual, and go on as before?

            If Arizona promotes some real soul-searching, it could prove a turning point. If it doesn’t, Saturday’s atrocity will be just the beginning. ”

            [lprent: How about linking to it? I tend to cut comments with massive quotes. It is safer for your comment to put in a link and quote smaller sections than it is to drop bloody great hunks of quoted material here. The site is for putting up your thoughts rather than someone elses.

            Check out how Draco did it here

            Consider yourself warned. ]

            • higherstandard 35.1.1.1.1.1

              Krugman’s a clever guy.

              There is no doubt most of the toxic rhetoric is from the GOP side at the moment, however there does seem to be a short memory in relation to the same toxic rhetoric from the other side when Bush was in charge.

              I’m still of the opinion that the efforts of each side in US political media to put this chap in each others camp is a sideshow and pretty sick.

              • Blighty

                Yeah, I’m struggling to remember leftwing political commentators joking about Bush bring shot and darkly hinting at the need for people to be prepared to prevent Bush leading a coup, which would be signalled by Bush trying to take their guns away

                Must be my short memory.

              • Pascal's bookie

                Ok hs.

                Here is speech given at rally in March 08. now senator Rand Paul shared the platform at this rally, (you can see his speech in the sidebar at the link)

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4G5185jpOo

                We are the original homeland security, not the paid agents that today masquerade as such in ninja outfits, dressed in black to intimidate the people with their faces covered to keep them from being held accountable for their actions. I have even been shown proof that they consider the founding fathers like George Washington, Sam Adams and Thomas Jefferson to be the terrorists of old.

                Unless you are a member of the active military, it is your historical, constitutional and moral duty to participate in a citizen’s militia. And I’ll say this, shame on those who are either too busy or too scared or too apathetic to step up.

                The British aren’t coming. It is the Soviet socialists that have occupied our Capitol. It might as well be Moscow on the Potomac.

                The question is: do we have the courage and the spirit of our forefathers? Our people do. Today we want to tell the Marxist control freaks out there, don’t dare cross that bridge. But we know they will. We the militia, and hopefully with your support, stand ready with no apologies, cause what we have forced upon us is not from a legitimate government, or the American values of self reliance and independence. If you want to be a European, move.

                The Declaration of Independence says that when a government is no longer beneficial or responsive to the people, it is our right and duty to change it. Now some citizens are holding out hope that the upcoming elections will better things, and you know we’ll wait and see. Lots of us believe that maybe that’s not reliable, considering the fact that the progressive socialists have been chipping away at our foundations. Regardless, the founders made sure we had plan B (holds up his gun). You know what that is.

                The treasonous left wing socialist politicians, and their lapdogs in the press, have gotten a wedgie here recently in their underpants over the tea parties. And a little broken glass (wink, wink). I sure hope they’re out there today. If they read history, they should know and fear what came after those events over 200 years ago. This latest forced health care bill, which is really about people control, the same thing as gun control, is the modern day equivalent of the 1765 standback, its only more disastrous to our freedom living way of life, etc…

                History it seems is ready to repeat itself. After a long and costly civil war that is eminent, and sure to be forced upon us, we are taking note of those who are responsible for the treason, and they will be held accountable. I advise the press to start getting it right from this moment on, and stop aiding and abetting un-American activities. Like the Tories of old, the worst shall be hung, most will be exiled, and I’m a contractor so I have a little bit of tar and feathers for those who are only partially guilty.

                In closing, let me implore you to keep the torch of freedom burning bright, god bless the republic, death to the New World Order. We shall prevail.

                You keep saying that there is stuff that is the ‘same’ from the left that we are forgetting, so remind us with some links please. From equivalent figures on the left, people that got to share platforms with Senatorial candidates.

                I remember calls for the impeachment of Bush, (but not from senior Democratic party figures, more’s the pity) and I remember those calls being derided as ‘shrill’ partisan nonsense.

                Impeachment is what the constitution says should happen if a President fails to uphold his oth. The calls from the right are not for impeachment however, they are threats about revolution.

                • higherstandard

                  As I have said below Ron paul could charitably be called quite odd.

                  There appears to be plenty of quotes from democratic figures that are also somewhat inflammatory.

                  Obama:
                  “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
                  “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
                  “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
                  Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose tail to kick.“
                  Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”

                  It’s a very odd country see some of the quotes below.

                  “Republicans don’t believe in the imagination, partly because so few of them have one, but mostly because it gets in the way of their chosen work, which is to destroy the human race and the planet. Human beings, who have imaginations, can see a recipe for disaster in the making; Republicans, whose goal in life is to profit from disaster and who don’t give a hoot about human beings, either can’t or won’t. Which is why I personally think they should be exterminated before they cause any more harm.” – The Village Voice’s Michael Feingold, in a theater review of all places

                  “I know how the ‘tea party’ people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their ‘Obama Plan White Slavery’ signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads.” – The Washington Post’s Courtland Milloy

                  My Congressman Eric Cantor, and you and your cupcake evil wife…” “Remember Eric…our judgment time, the final Yom Kippur has been given. You are a liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy f***ing pig, you’re an abomination, you receive my bullets in…your office, remember they will be placed in your heads. You and your children are Lucifer’s abominations.” – Obama campaign contributor Norman Laboom

                  I hope we never get to the same level of vitriol in NZ, perhaps they just take politics, politicians and themselves too seriously in the US.

                  • Pascal's bookie

                    I was looking for actual calls/threats of armed revolution from the left that you claim exist, and links to the original sources please, rather than cut and pastes from wherever…

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Perhaps Sarah Palin should have been the shooter. Despite all her gunning and hunting rhetoric on the road we know that she can’t shoot the broadside of a moose at twenty paces so the Congress woman would have been quite safe.

    • Vicky32 35.2

      Rand herself was a very dedicated atheist, and when she was alive, would have been very upset at the idea of a follower who also followed any religion! IMO, no objectivist ought to be religious – if they are, they severely misunderstand one of their belief systems, possibly both…
      Deb

  35. Draco T Bastard 36

    Climate of Hate
    It’s an opinion piece by Paul Krugman about the shootings.

    I’ve had a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach ever since the final stages of the 2008campaign. I remembered the upsurge in political hatred after Bill Clinton’s election in 1992 — an upsurge that culminated in the Oklahoma City bombing. And you could see, just by watching the crowds at McCain-Palin rallies, that it was ready to happen again. The Department of Homeland Security reached the same conclusion: in April 2009 an internal report warned that right-wing extremism was on the rise, with a growing potential for violence.

    So, even Homeland Security has been warning that right-wing extremism was on the rise and would lead to violence. The right, denying reality as per normal, denounced the report and now we have had some of that violence and the right are still denying that it’s due to the vitriol that they use.

  36. The Voice of Reason 37

    I put “loughner is a hero” in google and it didn’t take long to find a classic nutter. Reverend Fred Phelps, crawl on down:
    :

    http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/010911_westborobaptistchurch

  37. Irascible 38

    The logic of the Palin – Tea Party supporters can be seen in this circular sent to me by a GOP supporting Doctor from the States.
    Why a Doctor would take the position that this piece argues is beyond me but….. here’s the piece. It might also show the sort of thinking that inspired the shooting in Arizona.

    Need something to get your blood boiling???? Has anyone heard of this new word? Dhimmitude?

    Amish and other religious groups may be exempt from forced purchase of healthcare policies under Obama care. You know what other groups this could include ???Muslims and Christian Scientists may be exempt from having to have government healthcare.

    I had my doubts so I checked with Snopes. There is an exemption for “certain religious groups” in the Health Care Bill. Obama supporters check it out yourself.

    Had never heard the word until now—Type it into Google and start reading Pretty interesting. Note that Muslims and certain other religions are exempt from the Obamacare penalties and it is supported by law. We are surrendering from within! The prez is leading us right down the path to total Muslim control and you don’t care! Maybe you voted for him but now the truth comes out. Maybe you should rethink what you have done.

    Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to islam.

    The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims may be specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be “gambling”, “risk-taking” and “usury” and is thus banned. Muslims may be specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I John Smith, as a Christian, will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, cars and etc. and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance at our expence. Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

    Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor or belief in God! If you don’t believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. “Sure, I’ll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, brother?” Now all you Obama voters get in line for your free stuff!…However, I suggest you don’t hold your breath!…

    I recommend sending this email to all your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it and what the past election has done to all of us!

    PS Have you heard about the summit Obama is holding this month in DC for the future Muslim business leaders in the US? He wants to increase their ability to begin business opportunities in the US for the Muslim community! Better start looking for a country that doesn’t cater to the Muslims ~ Austrailia doesn’t because this country will be overrun by Muslims like Europe is currently experiencing.

    [Bunji: put in quote for readability]

    • higherstandard 38.1

      I’ll think you’ll find that’s actually a Ron Paul diatribe.

      http://www.dailypaul.com/node/140282

      • NickS 38.1.1

        Words fail to describe the shear fractal stupidity of that fully.

        And what’s really ironic is the citing of a Snopes article, which clearly states that it’s unlikely that a super majority will use the religious exemption clause, and like certain Christian sects (and cults) only a few sects will likely seek to avoid the health insurance clause…

      • Gosman 38.1.2

        I think you will find it isn’t a Ron Paul diatribe at all but one from a regular contributor to his blog.

        Just as the people involved with The Standard take a very dim view indeed of individual views being attributed to the collective I would expect your, (and others) linkage to Ron Paul to be frowned upon and perhaps even edited for correction.

        [lprent: We moderate for our cooperative and not for others. For instance we don't try to tell the No Minister cooperative how they should run their site (pity you guys don't follow that precept when looking at this site). Of course as individuals we do occasionally spend some time writing about what dickheads (or even rarely otherwise) some of your authors are.

        The actual request that can be asked for in this site is that the author of a comment links to quotes so others can look at the veracity. Irascible obviously didn't because it came via e-mail (as he noted). If he'd had a link then he probably wouldn't have quoted to the same extent because he will be aware that we're not much into cut'n'paste. HS gave a link to it on the web. People like yourself pointed out an error in what HS said.

        That is exactly what is meant to happen - why would a moderator get involved in the normal practice of the comments section? Readers that are interested in the thread will read down and find the additional info generated in comments. ]

        • higherstandard 38.1.2.1

          If that’s the case I apologise – I do find Ron Paul a bit odd though.

        • Gosman 38.1.2.2

          I was expecting higherstandard to edit his own comments. He has essentially done so with his apology.

  38. Irascible 39

    The letter sent to me by the GOP supporting Doctor was unattributed by him. What is of concern to me is that an otherwise very bright and competent individual should accept the argument put forward in the circular letter and, based on that “information”, engage in a campaign to disassemble the Health Care programme Obama managed to get through the legislature.
    Given the acceptance of such a specious argument by my Doctor friend I then find it difficult to consider the actions of the individual in Arizona as those of a “mentally deranged” individual and conclude that the young man has been persuaded by the rhetoric of the Tea Party and its ilk to take the actions their logic takes them to.

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  • Press Release: The Government’s Fresh Water Policy – REVISITED
    Fresh water quality is the latest area to be in the sights of Gareth Morgan and his research organisation The Morgan Foundation. They enlisted a group of 16 scientists to help them review the government’s new fresh water policy. “We...
    Gareth’s World | 24-07
  • Hard News: Friday Music: Why anyone does it in the first place
    Florian Habicht’s Pulp film is warm, funny, satisfying and true. And its first few minutes are just brilliantly, awesomely exuberant. They're why people buy records and go to gigs and obsess over bands, and why people play in bands in...
    Public Address | 24-07
  • Message to TV3 execs – Is this really acceptable?
    . . If there is one thing that Tania Billingsley has raised in this country, it is focusing the glare of public scrutiny  on New Zealand’s casually sexist and demeaning attitude toward women. Some refer to it as a “rape...
    Frankly Speaking | 24-07
  • Message to TV3 execs – Is this really acceptable?
    . . If there is one thing that Tania Billingsley has raised in this country, it is focusing the glare of public scrutiny  on New Zealand’s casually sexist and demeaning attitude toward women. Some refer to it as a “rape...
    Frankly Speaking | 24-07
  • Accelerating the Additional Harbour Crossing project?
    Yesterday was a busy day for transport news. Alongside Gerry Brownlee’s strange airport escapade, Labour Transport Spokesman Phil Twyford dropped a bit of a bombshell in relation to the possible acceleration of the Additional Waitemata Habour Crossing (AWHC) project as...
    Transport Blog | 24-07
  • Mike Hosking & the benefit of low expectations
    Labour has been bleating about Mike Hosking being used as moderator in a TVNZ election debate. There is even the unconvincing talk that Labour may boycott the debate if Hosking takes that role....
    Pundit | 24-07
  • Brownlee Should be Arrested like we Would be
    If you or I broke aviation security laws we would  be arrested. Why wasn’t Brownlee?  ...
    An average kiwi | 24-07
  • No time. No manners. No respect.
    H/T @nintendoug...
    The Jackal | 24-07
  • Mike Hosking as TVNZ’s moderator for political debates?! WTF?!
    . . I checked the calendar, and it’s not April 1st. An April Fool’s joke is the first reaction I had when I heard  that someone at  TVNZ had appointed Mike Hosking to be the moderator  for live, televised election-year...
    Frankly Speaking | 24-07
  • Mike Hosking as TVNZ’s moderator for political debates?! WTF?!
    . . I checked the calendar, and it’s not April 1st. An April Fool’s joke is the first reaction I had when I heard  that someone at  TVNZ had appointed Mike Hosking to be the moderator  for live, televised election-year...
    Frankly Speaking | 24-07
  • National Standards are awesome: Parata
    Hello everyone! I am the Minister of Education and I am more stoked than an illegal Christchurch log-burner. How exciting is a day like today when we can release a vast amount of information to our good friends in the...
    My Thinks | 24-07
  • Neo Liberal interest rate hike
    In order to honour his commitment to keep inflation in check, and due to the gross negligence of the current Government in failing to deliver large scale housing developments in Auckland and Christchurch, the Reserve Bank Governor today increased the...
    Closing the Gap | 24-07
  • The Dark Snow team investigates the source of soot that’s acceleratin...
    Around the planet, wildfires are becoming larger and more destructive. This summer, a series of wildfires enveloped large areas of Canada’s Boreal forest, blanketing western North America with smoke. One key question is, do these fires have an effect on...
    Skeptical Science | 24-07
  • Hosking votes National
    It never ceases to amaze me just how arrogant and/or deluded the right wing media are here in New Zealand. Not only did we have TVNZ trying to portray Cameron Slater, a blogger known for his hate speech, as some...
    The Jackal | 24-07
  • Gerry Brownlee offers to resign
    Gerry Brownlee offered to resign as Transport Minster today after getting caught out skipping security at Christchurch airport. Prime Minister John Key says he was “really disappointed” after Gerry Brownlee bypassed airport security this morning, but he has been quick...
    Transport Blog | 24-07
  • Step back: What WWI can teach us about Ukraine
    For the past year I have been on the World War I Commemoration Panel. The members include people as diverse as Sir Peter Jackson, Dame Anne Salmond, and Sir Bob Harvey. One of the most interesting things I have done...
    Pundit | 24-07
  • There’s a name for this…
    The latest atrocity in the Australian government's war on refugees: covering up the rate of self-harm and attempted suicide:Harrowing eyewitness accounts from the president of the Australian Human Rights Commission and a team of medical experts say there is a...
    No Right Turn | 24-07
  • Deep State Power Crimes: An Anglo-American News Blindspot in MH-17 Coverage
    MH-17 vs Ukrainian SU-25? Russian Defense Ministry claims a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet was within 5-10 km of MH-17. By Snoopman, 24 July 2014 No Brainer vs No Brainer It’s fascinating to see TVNZ’s One News ask its viewers on...
    Snoopman News | 24-07
  • UK police spied on their critics
    First, it was the family of Stephen Lawrence. Now we learn that the UK police spied on other people seeking justice from them as well:Undercover police gathered intelligence on grieving families who were battling the Metropolitan police for justice, including...
    No Right Turn | 24-07
  • Gerry
    So Gerry's a complete screw up. (Again.) That sounds like something for Gerry to explain all by himself. Have fun, Gerry. Filed under: nationalGerry Brownlee...
    Polity | 24-07
  • An answer to the anti-fluoride critics – in one image
    Click image to enlarge.  The chemical website Compound Interest, is producing a series of infograms to communicate some chemistry.  Here is an excellent one they produced on fluoride. I think it would make a great poster. It is accompanied by...
    Open Parachute | 24-07
  • Everything in moderation
    I’m not sure it really warranted being front-page news (Gaza? MH17? Anyone?) but the announcement of Mike Hosking as the anointed moderator for TVNZ’s political leaders’ debates was always going to lead to a bit of head-scratching. Hosking’s political leanings...
    Boots Theory | 24-07
  • Key and Hauiti – don’t ask, don’t tell
    How much money did National’s soon-to-be-former List MP Claudette Hauiti misspend on parliamentary credit card? We don’t know. As a mere backbencher, her credit card information can’t be OIAd, meaning that they only way we’ll ever find out is if...
    Occasionally erudite | 24-07
  • Exports continue to simplify under National
    Export data released today from Statistics New Zealand today shows a continuing and disturbing trend in the New Zealand economy — we are exporting less high-valued manufactured goods (down 12.5 percent) and less high-valued manufactured goods as a proportion of...
    frogblog | 24-07
  • Mike Hosking is not a Thing That Matters
    TVNZ plans to have Mike Hosking as its moderator for the network’s televised leaders’ debates. To my mind, it’s a stupid choice, but then I’m someone who can’t stand Mr Hosking’s brand of ageing hipster, Paul Henry-esque, elitist minority bashing “broadcasting”....
    Occasionally erudite | 24-07
  • Another botched execution in the US
    Another US execution has gone horribly wrong:The controversy engulfing the death penalty in the United States escalated on Wednesday when the state of Arizona took almost two hours to kill a prisoner using an experimental concoction of drugs whose provenance...
    No Right Turn | 24-07
  • A serial offender
    So it wasn't just a holiday in Oz Claudette Hauiti tried to stick us with:Outgoing National MP Claudette Hauiti admits using her parliamentary charge card to buy petrol for her personal car in a further breach of the rules on...
    No Right Turn | 24-07
  • Should we charge tourists extra for driving on NZ roads?
    There have been a few suggestions recently that international tourists should be paying more to drive in New Zealand, or have to pass a driving test, or things along those lines. Winston Aldworth, the Travel Editor at the Herald, wrote...
    Transport Blog | 24-07
  • Govt gives $107m for Lincoln buildings, $0 for staff
    Hau Taki Haere Vol 17 No 24 The government has agreed to give up to $107.5 million in capital funding toward the rebuilding of Lincoln University’s science facilities destroyed in the Canterbury earthquakes. While welcoming...
    Tertiary Education Union | 24-07
  • Can you really trust your gut? And should you?
    Have you ever been in an interview and thought to yourself “this person just feels […] The post Can you really trust your gut? And should you? appeared first on Connected....
    Potentia | 24-07
  • Non-teaching staff claim to join AIS agreement
    TEU members at Auckland Institute of Studies (AIS) started bargaining with their employer this week and they have want non-teaching members want the chance to bargain too this time. AIS, a large institution with a...
    Tertiary Education Union | 24-07
  • Nurses petition for entry programme for new nurses
    The New Zealand Nurses Organisation has launched a petition to get a nurse entry to practice (NEtP) position for every new graduate nurse. NZNO spokesperson Liz Robinson says New Zealand is facing a significant nursing shortage...
    Tertiary Education Union | 24-07
  • Cleaners, kitchen and services staff want professional development
    Tertiary education cleaners, service staff and kitchen workers need more professional development opportunities says TEU national president Lesley Francey. Her call follows a mini-conference of TEU members working in cleaning, kitchens and services held...
    Tertiary Education Union | 24-07
  • TEU develops strategy to support Māori students
    TEU’s national council wants more action to address the needs of Māori students following information earlier this year that Māori students take significantly longer to pay back student loans. TEU’s Te Tumu Awhina, Margaret Taurere...
    Tertiary Education Union | 24-07
  • From Here To There: How Did Labour Become So Hopelessly Lost?
    No Direction Home: Has Labour ever been so lost? Has the path to electoral victory ever been so obscured? Starting from where they are now, how can they possibly get to where they need to be on 20 September?WRITING ABOUT...
    Bowalley Road | 23-07
  • Internet Mana party highlights
    The Internet Mana party road-trip has been putting to shame National's badly attended meetings by packing halls around the country. Not only is the party party getting people who don't usually engage in politics to participate, the ground swell of...
    The Jackal | 23-07
  • Claudette Hauiti is a thief
    When Claudette Hauiti was appointed an MP just over a year ago, on the back of Aaron Gilmore having to quit because he abused his position, many people were happy to see a person who has a lot of attributes...
    The Jackal | 23-07
  • A da Vinci Code
    I am reminded today of the dreams of Leonardo da Vinci, one of history’s greatest theoretical aviators. “For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there...
    Polity | 23-07
  • Auckland rail use spike shows need to start link now
    The Green Party today welcomes Auckland Transport figures showing rail patronage has soared by 23 percent in June from June 2013, demonstrating both the value of electrification and the need to immediately get cracking building the Auckland City Rail link."We...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Puhoi-Warkworth decision doesn’t stack up
    The Board of Inquiry decision on the Puhoi-Warkworth motorway gives the green light to a project that doesn’t stack up, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour would spend $320 million immediately to fix the accident black spots, put in...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Key must stand Brownlee down during investigation
    The wise thing for the Prime Minister to do is ask Gerry Brownlee to hand in his transport warrant and to stand him down for the duration of the CAA investigation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “It’s not good enough...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Puhoi highway won’t help Northland roads
    The draft decision by the Environmental Protection Agency to grant resource consent to the proposed $1.65 billion Puhoi motorway doesn't stop it being a waste of money, the Green Party said today. "The Puhoi motorway is an unnecessary waste of...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Green Party to focus on issues not sideshows
    The Green Party has launched its creative for the 2014 election; Love New Zealand. The Green Party campaign focuses on the issues where there is concern that we do not love New Zealand enough; our increasingly polluted environment, increased poverty...
    Greens | 25-07
  • Coleman must come clean about FBI briefing
    Former Immigration Minister Jonathan Coleman must come clean about when he was told the FBI was investigating Kim Dotcom, Labour’s Associate Security and Intelligence spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “Jonathan Coleman has previously said ministers were not aware of the American...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Regional economies need tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 25-07
  • Kiwis to get the final vote on amalgamation
    New Zealanders will get the right to have a final say on any proposed local body amalgamations, says Labour’s local government spokesperson Su’a William Sio releasing Labour’s Local Government policy today....
    Labour | 24-07
  • Dr Rajen Prasad’s Valedictory Statement
    Draft Hansard Parliamentary Record. Subject to correction. Bula vinaka. Namaste, Mr Assistant Speaker. Thank you very much. Tēnā koe. I am a lucky migrant and am privileged to have received as much as I have from this country for over...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Darien Fenton’s Valedictory Statement
    Nga mihi nui - kia koutou. I acknowledge all Members of Parliament I have served with and I do so without rancour or criticism. Over nearly nine years in parliament I’ve found that despite furious debate about political difference, most...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Immigation and Kim Dotcom – Harawira
    “I just got a call from National Business Review reporter, asking whether there was any contradiction between my thoughts on immigration in 2009 and now, particularly given MANA’s newly minted relationship with Kim Dotcom” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 24-07
  • Nats to announce 2nd crossing without rail
    Labour Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford says it has been leaked to him that John Key will rule out a rail option when announcing an accelerated timeframe for Auckland’s $5 billion second harbour crossing next month. “I understand the Government’s plan...
    Labour | 24-07
  • “They put Maori centre stage” – Harawira
    “I’m sorry I can’t be at parliament for the valedictory speeches of Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples” said Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Tai Tokerau, ”but I’d like to add my own best wishes as they reach the end...
    Mana | 24-07
  • ACT trying to have it both ways on zoning
    ACT Party candidate David Seymour’s campaign against changes to school zones in the Epsom electorate looks hollow given his party’s commitment to the abolition of school zoning altogether, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “It’s disingenuous for David Seymour to...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Interest rate rise will hit the regions
    The latest interest rate rise will hit the fragile regional economies of  New Zealand and hurt exporters by putting more upward pressure on the exchange rate, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker.  “The regions are already hit by dropping  export...
    Labour | 24-07
  • Burning the flag or accepting the evil
    Burning the Israeli flag in Auckland in protest over the murder of innocent civilians in Gaza is nothing to be ashamed of” said MANA Leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “Calling for both sides to stand down when one side...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Photo op disguises abysmal failure
    John Key’s opening of four Housing NZ units in Bexley today is nothing more than an insincere photo op designed to hide the Government’s failure to rebuild the housing stock destroyed by the earthquakes, says Labour’s Associate Housing spokesperson Poto...
    Labour | 23-07
  • TAXPAYER UNION “outrageously stupid”
    Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union says a MANA billboard “appears to have been funded by taxpayers”, and calls it “an outrageous use of taxpayer money”. “But the only thing that is outrageous, is how outrageously stupid Jordan Williams was...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Green Party launches Solar in Schools policy
    The Green Party will help schools install solar and save money on their power bills by investing $20 million into solar PV systems in schools. The $20 million is expected to:Help around 500 schools install solar over three yearsResult in...
    Greens | 23-07
  • Extent of job losses at Invermay remain hidden
    Despite growing concern in the agriculture and science sectors, both AgResearch management and the Minister responsible are continuing to hide the true extent of job losses at AgResearch’s Invermay campus, Labour’s MP for Dunedin North David Clark says. “Science and...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Tōku reo, tōku oho oho, tōku reo, tōku mapihi maurea – MANA launches ...
    “MANA is launching its te reo Māori policy this morning ahead of the first reading of the government’s Māori Language Strategy Bill this afternoon”, saidMANA deputy leader and candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes. “MANA’s policy is based on a love...
    Mana | 23-07
  • Connectivity Upgrade to close digital divide
    Labour will close the digital divide with its Connectivity Upgrade to ensure all New Zealanders can be part of a growing, more connected economy and have the right to access quality broadband, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says.  “The digital revolution...
    Labour | 23-07
  • New parents deserve support – Labour will deliver
    ...
    Labour | 23-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    National has refused a briefing from a group of Maui's dolphins experts, whose research shows 80 per cent of New Zealanders want greater protection for the critically endangered dolphin, the Green Party said today.Dolphin campaigner Gemma McGrath and marine scientist...
    Greens | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    “Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”, said MANA candidate for Mt Albert, Joe Carolan. “A good start would be for all Labour Auckland MPs and members to join the Justice for Palestine...
    Mana | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no need for further research, says Labour’s Conservation spokesperson Ruth Dyson.  “Labour backs the public call...
    Labour | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins. “Valley School in Pukekohe was advised in an email from the...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional economies, Labour’s MP for Hauraki-Waikato Nanaia Mahuta says. “The Canpac site has effectively responded...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and Expenditure Committee this morning, says Maryan Street, Labour’s State Services spokesperson.  ...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has already lost hundreds of jobs, Labour says. Labour’s Social Development spokesperson and Hamilton-based list MP Sue...
    Labour | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must not be used as an excuse to take resources away from the capital, Wellington Labour MPs...
    Labour | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “While the regions are crying out for sustainable growth and job opportunities,...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way for other alternatives to be given a fair hearing, Wellington Labour MPs Grant Robertson and...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Reo Māori Policy Launch
    MANA will be launching its Reo Māori policy at 10am Thursday 24 July, at Matangireia (the old Māori Affairs Select Committee room at Parliament). We will also be addressing our concerns regarding the Minister of Māori Affairs Māori Language Strategy...
    Mana | 22-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    The Green Party welcomed the Environmental Protection Authority's draft decision announced today not to allow the $90 million Basin Reserve flyover in Wellington to proceed."Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have...
    Greens | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable quota market, said Labour’s Primary Industries spokesperson Damien O’Connor. “Our reputation as a Lamb producer...
    Labour | 22-07
  • Ae Marika! 22 July 2014
    The big storm has gone, but the damage that it did and the saturation levels that it reached meant that smaller storms quickly overwhelmed roading, and water-flow systems again in the north. And although certain individuals are talking up the...
    Mana | 21-07
  • 2014 Roger Award nominations now open
    The Roger Award is for The Worst Transnational Corporation Operating in Aotearoa/New Zealand in 2014 Nominations are now open please visit the website to nominate the worst TNC in Aotearoa. You will need to include reasons why you think your...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Labour will revive the regions with new fund
    The next Labour Government will co-develop Regional Growth Plans for every region of New Zealand and will invest at least $200 million in a fund to create breakthrough opportunities for jobs and sustainable growth, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says....
    Labour | 21-07
  • Speech to Local Government New Zealand
    Speech to the Local Government New Zealand Conference 2014 Read our full regional development policy Download Introduction Early in my time as an MP I went for a long walk on a windswept Kare Kare beach with Waitakere mayor Bob Harvey. We talked...
    Labour | 21-07
  • Stop Israeli State Terror – Rally and March this Saturday 26th July, Aote...
     The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is getting much worse and the world is marching in unprecedented numbers. New Zealanders spoke out strongly last Saturday with a march of 5,000 people in Auckland (see picture below) – the biggest march ever...
    Mana | 21-07
  • NZ needs to assist UN with aid for Gaza
    The New Zealand Government should support the United Nation's efforts to raise money to assist humanitarian aid for the people of Gaza, the Green Party said today.The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) has made a...
    Greens | 21-07
  • INTERNET MANA ROAD TRIP- LEG 2
      WAIKATO / TARANAKI / MANAWATU-WANGANUI  Tuesday July 29th, 6pm | RotoruaDistinction Hotel, Fenton Ballroom, 390 Fenton Street, Rotorua  Wednesday July 30th 6pm | HamiltonWaikato University, Price Waterhouse Coopers Lecture Theatre, Gate 7, Hillcrest Rd Hamilton  Thursday July 31st, 6pm |...
    Mana | 21-07
  • Road fix needed now, not later
    Northland’s roading system is in chaos and needs fixing fast, Labour List MP Kelvin Davis says.  “According to NZTA’s 10 year funding data every area of Northland has had a decrease in NZTA funding since 2008...
    Labour | 20-07
  • KiwiSaver innovations needed to build wealth
    The innovative changes to KiwiSaver suggested by the Financial Services Council today will be seriously considered by Labour as part of plans to make KiwiSaver universal, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Universal KiwiSaver is an essential part of Labour’s...
    Labour | 20-07
  • Greens announce 20 hours free ECE for two year olds
    The Green Party today announced that its key social platform for this election will be to tackle child poverty and inequality by ensuring every child in New Zealand has enough to thrive.The Green Party will make a series of policy...
    Greens | 20-07
  • MANA Pasifika Says NO To Discrimination
    Vice Chairperson of MANA Pasifika James Papali’i  feels for Ms Tupou and her children after they were served with trespass orders from their  local swimming pool in new market. With no warning or explanation from the pool staff Police ordered...
    Mana | 20-07
  • MANA Movement policy release – Economic Justice – John Minto
    Address notes from Mana Economic Justice Spokesperson and co-vice President John Minto to Economic policy launch in Kelston – 2pm, Sunday 20 July 2014. Reducing inequality and giving everyone a fair go MANA Movement’s policy prescription for a rich man’s...
    Mana | 20-07
  • One-sided reporting on the Middle East Conflict
    The following was sent to New Zealand Herald, Fairfax Media, Radio New Zealand, Television New Zealand, TV3, Radio Live and ZB Network. We are writing to all of you because there are well established patterns of reporting which seem to have been adopted by New Zealand...
    Mana | 20-07
  • New President for MANA Movement
    Lisa McNab, MANA President, and Annette Sykes, outgoing MANA President and candidate for Waiariki Lisa McNab was officially passed the mantle of MANA President in a special ceremony at Potahi Marae in Te Kao this week, following her unanimous election into the...
    Mana | 20-07
  • Selfies: Labour’s Electorate MPs are at it again
    IT’S A LITTLE TRIANGLE of grass at the corner of Rewa Street and Mt Eden Road, ideal for election hoardings. Wandering along Mt Eden Road last Saturday morning to our weekly appointment with the brunch menu at Orvieto, my family and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-07
  • Well, well, well – Jonathan Coleman did know about FBI interest into Kim ...
    Last years GCSB Town Hall meeting in Auckland Oh dear, the cover up and lies are starting to fall over now aren’t they… Coleman knew of FBI interest in Dotcom pre-residency decisionGovernment minister Jonathan Coleman knew the FBI was interested...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Why You Must March Against Factory Farming This Saturday, 12pm
    The rally this Saturday is critical because this is the FIRST TIME IN NEW ZEALAND HISTORY that a major party has agreed to ban all intensive factory farming practices. The Labour party, the Greens, Internet-Mana, the SPCA, SAFE and other...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Astronaut tweets photo of explosions over Israel and Gaza from space
      This is what a war zone looks like from space: From aboard the International Space Station, German astronaut Alexander Gerst tweeted this image as the station passed over Israel and Gaza in what he called ‘his saddest photo yet’....
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • When Firstline are focusing on flag burning rather than dead Palestinian ch...
    The IDF are butchering children in UN schools this morning and what’s the big issue on TV3s Firstline? Flag burning. How pathetic, and what a slap in the face to Mike McRoberts who is currently risking his life in Gaza...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • ‘Victim’ vs ‘Terrorist’
    ‘Victim’ vs ‘Terrorist’...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Petition asking TVNZ to stand Hosking down as election moderator jumps to o...
    In just a day the petition calling on TVNZ to replace Hosking as the election moderator has jumped to over 2500, you can sign it here. The defence that the Right are trying to run here is that John Campbell...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • When the mainstream media go feral: the descent into sheer farce, according...
    . . It had to happen, I guess… The media pack-campaign against Labour Leader David Cunliffe has managed to  plumb new depths of absurdity. On TV3, on 24 July,  TV3/Tova O’Brien ran this report on their 6PM News bulletin, about...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting: MIKE HOSKING FOR PM?
    Yes indeed. Mike Hosking is for the PM. And now he’s able to do even more as moderator (or should that be immoderator) of TVNZ’s election debates. Here at the Coalition for Better Broadcasting we feel it’s pretty safe to say that...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • The lie that “There is no alternative” to neo-liberal economic policies
    Supporters of President Maduro in Venezuela rally   Since the 1980s we have had drubbed into our heads that there was no alternative to the economic and social policies unleashed at that time. It even had it’s own acronym – TINA. The...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • A Kanaky tale of mining skulduggery and environmental courage
    Florent Eurisouké … still campaigning against mining. Photo: Del Abcede/PMC David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific AN EXTRAORDINARY story of mining skulduggery and a courageous struggle by indigenous Kanak environmental campaigners has been captured in a poignant new documentary,...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • UNBREAKING: The list of questions Mike Hosking will use in first TVNZ leade...
    “Good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the first TVNZ leaders debate being held live in the gloriously beautiful Sky City ball room. It’s such a beautiful building boys and girls, we are so blessed to have Sky City...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Internet Party Party review
      I have been to A LOT of political party functions in my time, and they tend to be dull affairs at the best of times but what is happening with Internet MANA is something quite exciting. I went to...
    The Daily Blog | 24-07
  • Dear Seven Sharp – after learning Hosking will be the leaders debate ...
    I have to be honest, I had made the decision last night  to accept Seven Sharp’s hastily offered opportunity to appear on their show after I savagely criticised the bullshit whitewash story they did on John Key’s favourite far right hate speech...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: National refuses meeting with Maui’s advocates Wednesday, 23 Jul 2014 | Press Release This is another reminder that the National Government does not care about the survival of the Maui’s dolphin National...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Message from CTU President Helen Kelly
    MIL OSI – Source: Unite Union – Headline: Message from CTU President Helen Kelly Dear MikeThere’s only 43 days until September 3, when voting in the General Election starts. The last day to vote is September 20.Thanks heaps for signing...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour
    MIL OSI – Source: Mana Movement – Headline: MANA Tamaki send a challenge to Labour Posted on July 23, 2014 by admin in Joe Carolan, Press Releases“Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week”,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • We must act to save our dolphins
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: We must act to save our dolphins A new report makes it clear for the urgent need to protect Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins while arguing  it is clear that there is no...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • School told to manipulate national standards data
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: School told to manipulate national standards data Parents can have little confidence in the Government’s National Standards after an Auckland school was told to manipulate its data so it added up, Labour’s...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Regional economies must have tailored plans
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Regional economies must have tailored plans News that up to 114 jobs could be lost from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton reinforces the need for a government plan to build resilient regional...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Auditor General slams Shared Services project
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Auditor General slams Shared Services project The Auditor-General’s Office could not have been more damning about the 18 months spent on the Central Agency Shared Services (CASS) project at the Finance and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Fonterra job losses a massive blow to Waikato The potential loss of up to 114 jobs from Fonterra’s Canpac plant in Hamilton is a massive blow to the Waikato region which has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Basin flyover decision an opportunity for capital The decision to reject the proposed flyover at the Basin Reserve must be taken as an opportunity to properly fund Wellington’s transport future and must...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Indonesia: New President Widodo must make good on human rights pledges
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Indonesia: New President Widodo must make good on human rights pledges Indonesia’s new President Joko Widodo must deliver on campaign promises to improve Indonesia’s dire human rights situation, Amnesty International said....
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Communities in Sierra Leone turn their backs on female genital mutilation
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Communities in Sierra Leone turn their backs on female genital mutilation While activists gather in London to discuss strategies to tackle female genital mutilation, communities across Sierra Leone have been taking...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • The Gambia: Activists mark 20 years of iron-fisted repression
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: The Gambia: Activists mark 20 years of iron-fisted repression The Gambian government must abolish the laws and iron fisted practices that have resulted in two decades of widespread human rights violations,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • A blog from the front lines of Palestine: It’s time for a new narrative
    I don’t know if I follow trouble or if trouble follows me, but somehow I seem to have found myself near one of the world’s hotspots again. The difference this time is that instead of sitting in some obscure location,...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – The Path Ahead
    It’s well established that Labour has had a difficult couple of weeks. Getting back on to a successful path requires our focus to shift from looking inwards to outwards, heightened discipline, and inner conviction. While my assessment of New Zealand...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Employers liquidating companies to avoid paying minimum entitlements
    Across the union movement we have seen a number of documented cases now where companies are liquidating their business in order to avoid their legal obligations, in terms of paying the minimum entitlements to their workers. The most recent example...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Carolan : Positively Controversial
    The protest in Auckland last weekend that the NZ Herald claimed was attend by only a hundred people. Labour should set the agenda and purposely do something positively controversial once a week. A good start would be for all their...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Come on TV3 News – you are better than regurgitating Israeli propaganda
    Say it isn’t true TV3 News, you are seriously bitching about this???? The leader of the Mana Party, Hone Harawira, has supported flag burning at a pro-Palestinian march in Auckland at the weekend. Mana Party flags can be seen in...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • The brutal siege of Palestine
    70 years ago the Jews of Europe suffered as much as any people can suffer. The Nazis set about ethnic cleansing and sent 6 million to their death. Today we watch in horror as Israel, the Jewish homeland created after...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • When the mainstream media go feral: A tale of two holidays
    . . The recent non-story on David Cunliffe’s three day holiday should be proof-positive that the mainstream media (msm) is fixated on pumping out as many “bad news” reporting as can be generated by a headline-seeking; advertising-driven; lazy corporate-media system....
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Canterbury housing crisis a moral, economic, health, education, and social ...
    Can they build it? No they can’t.  Occasionally I come across people who don’t believe me when I say there is a housing crisis in Christchurch.  Despite all the evidence to the contrary.  Even when I tell them that every...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Respected world visionaries of the past speak out on Israel
    Respected world visionaries of the past speak out on Israel...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • From Here To There: How did Labour become so hopelessly lost?
    WRITING ABOUT the Labour Party these days puts me in mind of the joke about the American tourist and the Irish farmer. Seems there was this American tourist driving down a narrow lane in the heart of Ireland. He needed...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Oh NOW everyone thinks the ABCs are up to no good?
    Goodness last months June seems like years away doesn’t it? In June I pointed out a move by the ABCs to destabilise Cunliffe was under way. For pointing this out, Labour Party bloggers Rob Salmond and Lynn Prentice rushed to put...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Dear Seven Sharp – I have little interest in appearing on your show so th...
    After savagely critiquing Seven Sharp for trying to whitewash the repulsive history of a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater yesterday, Seven Sharp have contacted me and offered to do a profile on me. Here is their email…...
    The Daily Blog | 23-07
  • Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense
    MIL OSI – Source: Green Party – Headline: Basin Flyover decision victory for common sense Tuesday, 22 Jul 2014 | Press Release “Both popular and expert opinion opposed the flyover. The proposal was expensive, unnecessary and would have undermined the...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • CPAG Newsletter July 2014
    MIL OSI – Source: Child Poverty Action Group – Headline: CPAG Newsletter July 2014 22 July 2014 New child poverty data nothing to celebrate New data released by the Ministry of Social Development  indicates people living below the poverty line are worse...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Hotel ordered to pay $80,000 in outstanding wages
    MIL OSI – Source: Unite Union – Headline: Hotel ordered to pay $80,000 in outstanding wages An Auckland hotel has been ordered by the Employment Relations Authority to pay nearly $80,000 in outstanding wages to two employees. Filipino couple Abraham...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Rising interest rate and dollar driving manufacturing exports back to Globa...
    MIL OSI – Source: CTU – Headline: Rising interest rate and dollar driving manufacturing exports back to Global Financial Crisis levels The Council of Trade Unions is calling on the Reserve Bank not to raise interest rates on Thursday. “Another...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Israel/Gaza: Attacks on medical facilities and civilians add to war crime a...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Israel/Gaza: Attacks on medical facilities and civilians add to war crime allegations The continuing bombardment of civilian homes in several areas of the Gaza Strip, as well as the Israeli shelling...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Central African Republic: Brazzaville talks should not lead to amnesties fo...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Central African Republic: Brazzaville talks should not lead to amnesties for war crimes Amnesty International called on delegates to the Central African Republic (CAR) National Reconciliation talks due to take place...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Russia increases stranglehold on dissent as five more NGOs named ‘foreign...
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Russia increases stranglehold on dissent as five more NGOs named ‘foreign agents’ The Russian Ministry of Justice today registered four more Russian human rights organizations and one environmental group as “foreign...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Nigeria: World Bank panel turns its back on forcibly evicted community
    MIL OSI – Source: Amnesty International NZ – Headline: Nigeria: World Bank panel turns its back on forcibly evicted community The decision by a World Bank Inspection Panel to refuse to investigate a complaint about forced evictions linked to a...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • National out of touch with the regions
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: National out of touch with the regions John Key is out of touch with regional New Zealand if he believes tinkering with council regulations will restore opportunities to small towns, Labour Leader...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Flyover rejection a victory for sustainable transport The rejection of the proposed Basin Reserve flyover by a Board of Inquiry is a victory for sustainable transport in Wellington and paves the way...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Loss Leading could destroy Kiwi lamb’s reputation Meat companies that supply supermarkets and sell New Zealand lamb as a loss leader in the United Kingdom should lose their access to this valuable...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Labour will revive the regions with new fund
    MIL OSI – Source: Labour Party – Headline: Labour will revive the regions with new fund The next Labour Government will co-develop Regional Growth Plans for every region of New Zealand and will invest at least $200 million in a...
    The Daily Blog | 22-07
  • Announcement of New Zealand First Candidate for Rangitīkei
    New Zealand First has endorsed Dr Romuald (‘Rom’) Rudzki as the candidate for the Rangitīkei Electorate in the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Labour Offer Len Brown a Hotel Tax
    The Taxpayers’ Union is slamming the Labour Party's plan to allow councils to levy new 'pillow taxes' and regional petrol taxes. Reacting to this afternoon’s NZ Herald report Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union ,...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Cell phone evidence a first
    Cell phone evidence a first Evidence gathered solely from a cell phone has been used for the first time to convict a Hastings man for possessing child sexual abuse pictures. Michael Lawrence Worsnop, a 29-year-old orchard worker pleaded guilty to...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealand Aid Worker Helping in Gaza
    A New Zealand Red Cross nurse working in Gaza says she has never experienced anything like the current conflict in her long aid work career....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Parking officers deserve safety at work
    The union representing the Auckland Transport parking officer severely beaten on July 17 says everyone has a right to go about their job without fear for their safety....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Caritas Aotearoa NZ to provide Gaza humanitarian aid
    Caritas Jerusalem is providing medical assistance, food and other necessities to the thousands of vulnerable people affected by the escalating conflict in Gaza, and Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand is contributing an initial $20,000 to support the humanitarian...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • ALCP challenges parties to support Charlotte’s Web
    The leader of the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party Julian Crawford is calling on all other political parties to state their position on using cannabis oil to treat pediatric epilepsy....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Oxfam accepts cheque from Pacific Corporation Foundation
    Oxfam New Zealand has accepted a cheque for almost $1000 today from the Pacific Corporation Foundation toward recovery efforts in the Solomon Islands, following April’s flash flooding that left thousands homeless....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Draft report and decision – Pūhoi to Warkworth proposal
    The Ara Tūhono – Pūhoi to Wellsford Road of National Significance: Pūhoi to Warkworth section Board of Inquiry has released its draft report and decision....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • New Zealanders willing to pay tax to protect dolphins
    A report released this week shows a large majority of New Zealanders want Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins protected and they are prepared to pay for it....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Stop Smart Meters
    “The Democrats for Social Credit Party (DSC) wholeheartedly endorses the Stop Smart Meters campaign for a moratorium on installations of smart meters until the technology is proven not be a risk to health, and until home owners are given a...
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Maori Roll Electors Urged to Vote Strategically
    Voters enrolled in the seven Maori electorates must learn to maximize their influence by voting strategically, according to the Maori Party candidate for Te Tai Tokerau, Rev Te Hira Paenga....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Politicians Ignore Families’ Concerns on Street Prostitution
    Family First NZ says that politicians are ignoring the concerns of families, lack the will to take appropriate action, and are happy to drag the ongoing problem of street prostitution into the next parliamentary term....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Plunket celebrates Te Wiki o te Reo Māori
    Plunket is proud to celebrate Te Wiki o te Reo Māori (21-27 July), with Plunket people across the country among several thousand New Zealanders taking part and increasing their kete of knowledge in te reo....
    Scoop politics | 25-07
  • Coleman must quit or be sacked over Dotcom case
    Immigration New Zealand has done the right thing in distancing itself from Jonathan Coleman’s claims that ministers were not aware of FBI involvement in Kim Dotcom’s residency application, says the Internet Party. Internet Party leader Laila Harré...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Auckland Councillors, Not Emperors
    25 JULY 2014 Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland Councillors have voted to keep their ratepayer-funded business class travel perks, and considered new rules that would have exempted councillors from Auckland City's parking charges, Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Cunliffe Looks Dodgy Lunching with Sex Offender
    Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig says that David Cunliffe's social meeting with a known sex offender while on holiday "looks pretty dodgy."...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Taxpayers’ Union Back LGNZ Calls For Greater Transparency
    The Taxpayers’ Union is backing Local Government New Zealand’s calls for the Official Information Act to be extended to cover the Local Government Commission. Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says:...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Lecture series to provide insight into 2014 election
    Could National’s refusal to reform MMP lead to the defeat of the government? Is the media providing voters with the information they require to make an informed electoral decision? What directions might John Key’s leadership take if he secures...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • National Rally Against Factory Farming
    Animal advocates and members of the public all over New Zealand will unite for a ‘National Day of Action Against Factory Farming’ Saturday, tomorrow 26 July in response to two recent exposés that showed horrific conditions on pig factory farms....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Women in Politics Finds Support at Conference
    Women in Politics, a brand-new organisation for New Zealand women in political office, was met with overwhelming support at the 2014 Local Government New Zealand Conference held this weekend in Nelson....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • The Government’s Fresh Water Policy – REVISITED
    Fresh water quality is the latest area to be in the sights of Gareth Morgan and his research organisation The Morgan Foundation. They enlisted a group of 16 scientists to help them review the government’s new fresh water policy....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Restoration of Post-graduate Allowances to be Key Issue
    As students prepare for the early voting that will take place on all university and many polytechnic campuses next month, the restoration of post-graduate allowances, removed by the current government in 2013, is emerging as a key election issue....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Honesty for Taxpayers
    ACT has a new proposal to make our democracy more accountable. The proposal may seem small but it could be the most significant idea in this election....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Mike Hosking for PM?
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting is adding its voice to the many appalled at TVNZ’s choice of Mike Hosking as moderator for the upcoming political debates....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • ‘Party Party’ Hitting the Right Notes
    The “sold out” sign has gone up at the Internet Party’s concert in Christchurch tonight. A capacity crowd of 1000 will be at The Foundry for the Party Party concert, part of a major national musical tour aimed at getting...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • New Electoral Commission Campaign Launches This Weekend
    New Electoral Commission Campaign Launches This Weekend More non-voters than ever before say they don't feel like their vote is worth anything, or that their opinion matters. It's a trend that concerns the Electoral Commission, and the reason for...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Umere says ‘taihoa’ on Māori Language Strategy
    A Maori Language advocacy group, Umere, is calling for a rain check on the Māori Language Strategy Bill, which is being introduced to parliament this week. "The submissions on the MLS have been released by Te Puni Kōkiri and they...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • High cost of GP visits still a barrier for older children
    Free doctor's visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a significant barrier for low income families, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • David Cunliffe happy to hide sex offender’s identity
    ..:: For immediate release ::.. 24/07/14 David Cunliffe happy to hide sex offender’s identity - (and in fact enjoy lunch with them)...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • More kids in Southland and Otago are achieving
    Clutha-Southland National candidate Todd Barclay says the Public Achievement Information for 2013 shows New Zealand children are doing better across the whole education system....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Flavell mistaken
    In response to Mr Flavell’s tirade this afternoon Conservative Party Leader Colin Craig advises "Mr Flavell is simply mistaken in his comments."...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • High cost of GP visits still a barrier for older children
    Free doctor's visits should be extended to all children under 18 as GP charges are a significant barrier for low income families, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Taxpayers’ Union Lay Complaint with Speaker
    The Taxpayers’ Unio n has written to Parliament's Speaker, the Rt. Hon. David Carter, asking him to step in and investigate the claims on the WhaleOil blog that taxpayers’ money is being improperly used for Mana Party election campaign hoardings....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • MANA launches te reo Māori policy
    “MANA is launching its te reo Māori policy this morning ahead of the first reading of the government’s Māori Language Strategy Bill this afternoon”, said MANA deputy leader and candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Candidate welcomes award of platinum exploration permits
    Clutha-Southland National candidate Todd Barclay has welcomed the Government’s decision to award Lynx Platinum Limited two exploration permits in Southland. Mr Barclay said the minerals industry is an important part of New Zealand’s economy...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Pokie spending and numbers continue to drop
    Pub and club gaming machine expenditure in the year ended June 2014 fell 2.4 per cent from $826.3 million to $806.2 million. There were also fewer licence holders, gambling venues and gaming machines compared with 12 months earlier. Licence holders...
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • New Zealand Police to assist in MH17 victim identification
    New Zealand Police is sending three Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) specialists to the Netherlands to assist in the international effort to identify victims from the MH17 tragedy....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Oil Spill Response Strategy available for consultation
    Maritime New Zealand (MNZ) is inviting comment on its draft updated New Zealand Marine Oil Spill Response Strategy....
    Scoop politics | 24-07
  • Police response to IPCA report on Rewa investigation
    Police accept the findings of today's IPCA's report regarding its investigations into offending by Malcolm Rewa in Auckland in the 1980s and 1990s....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Well-known kiwis sign on to stop ivory trade
    Today the Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade Select Committee will consider a complete ban on the ivory trade in response to a petition by Auckland teacher Virginia Woolf and policy analyst Fiona Gordon....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Commonwealth Games are not being captioned in New Zealand
    As members of the Captioning Working Group, The National Foundation for the Deaf and Deaf Aotearoa New Zealand call for broadcast captioning of the 2014 Commonwealth Games...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Majority of Commonwealth countries are already republics
    The Glasgow Commonwealth Games are here and it's a common misbelief that a Kiwi republic would mean that New Zealand would have to leave the Commonwealth. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Police handling of Rewa Investigation
    Although an Independent Police Conduct Authority inquiry has identified some faults with a series of investigations conducted by Police into offending by Malcolm Rewa, there is insufficient evidence that any of these impacted on the ability of Police...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • IPCA findings on Police handling of Rewa Investigation
    Good morning everyone. I’d like to begin today by explaining that this is an informational press conference and that I will not be taking questions at its conclusion. The reason for that is the report’s findings are the result of...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Pay It Back Ms Hauiti
    Responding to the Newstalk ZB report that disgraced MP Claudette Hauiti is refusing to confirm whether or not she has reimbursed taxpayers for misuse of her Parliamentary 'P-card', Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says: “Ms Hauiti...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • RSA thanks NZ for $1.7m collected during Poppy Appeal
    The RSA today announced that over $1.7 million was donated to the 2014 Poppy Appeal for the support of veterans, ex-service men and women and their families in need....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Students encouraged to be brave and never give up
    Students encouraged to be brave and never give up if they want to 'make it happen'...
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • New Zealanders want to pay more to protect dolphins
    A report released this week shows a large majority of New Zealanders want Maui’s and Hector’s dolphins protected and they are prepared to pay for it....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
  • Maori Party President Acknowledges Founding Co-Leaders
    Maori Party President, Rangimarie Naida Glavish, has today acknowledged the enormous contribution founding Maori Party co-leaders, Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples have made towards building a greater nation....
    Scoop politics | 23-07
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