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The Auckland property market

Written By: - Date published: 7:29 am, November 26th, 2012 - 194 comments
Categories: housing, labour, national - Tags: , ,

The Auckland property market is back through the roof again. It seemed to be the main focus of The Herald this weekend. An anonymous editorial offered an overview and advice:

Home buyers aim too high

Our addiction to real estate has not been cured by experience, as the Government hoped. House prices, as we report today, have now climbed back to their 2007 peak, banks are again offering loans of up to 95 per cent of a purchase price and investors are back in the market, raising mortgages on the house they live in to buy another. …

The predicament for first-home seekers is now worse than it was during the boom. Prices are as high as they were then but far fewer homes are available. Nearly all are being offered by auction, as happens when a market is volatile, and new investors can usually outbid a young couple looking for a home of their own at a price that will keep a mortgage within their means. …

Realistic young home-seekers should be able to find an affordable house in outer suburbs. Like previous generations, they can improve the house and land, plant trees, form residents associations to press for amenities and see that they are well maintained. Before long, they would find their home, their school and their community had become a desirable place to live. It’s the way prosperity starts.

Kirsty Wynn wrote:

Sellers score massive gains

It’s almost as good as claiming Lotto’s first-division prize – the winners in Auckland’s frantic housing market are selling their properties for hundreds of thousands of dollars above their official valuations.

Statistics show that in the past six months there have been at least nine properties that sold for $500,000 or more above their CV, and one went for a whopping $1.2 million above valuation. … The housing boom is also making it difficult for independent valuers to put an accurate price on properties.

As ever, Bernard Hickey’s piece is required reading:

Sell out country to cash in on tax perks

I sold my house in Auckland this week to take advantage of the “heat” in the market. I’m looking to pay off my mortgage and buy a house, mortgage-free, in Wellington. …

Let’s say I have $600,000 of equity. Brokers tell me that banks are keen to lend and will allow me to buy a couple of rental properties with 5 per cent deposits. I could then buy another five with 10 per cent deposits, and the rest of the money could be used as 20 per cent deposits to buy three more. That would allow me to buy 10 investment properties at $500,000 each for a total of $5 million, including borrowings of $4.4 million. That’s an average loan-to-value ratio of 88 per cent. …

Currently there seems to be just one direction for house prices in Auckland. The Real Estate Institute’s stratified measure of Auckland house prices showed they rose 14.4 per cent in the year to October. If that happened again next year I would make implied capital gains of $700,000 on my 10 properties, adding to the $84,400 of cash profits from the rentals. That implies a return of 130 per cent on the $600,000 of equity I leveraged into rental property. …

All the incentives are telling me to buy rental property in an Auckland market with a chronic shortage of houses. They say I should borrow $4.4 million from foreign-funded banks to boost the value of existing property. They say I should increase our foreign debt to enrich myself while not employing any other New Zealanders, and not paying tax on it. So what am I waiting for? I’ve almost convinced myself I should do it.

There are many issues here that need to be addressed. Some of them are about the incentives in the economy – that’s where Labour’s capital gains tax would come in. But the most important factor is, of course, the simple and practical issue of the lack of houses available to be purchased.

Labour’s solution is to build more houses.

National’s “solution” is to complain about Labour’s solution.

194 comments on “The Auckland property market”

  1. Bill 1

    Nicely themed graphics from Labour.

    Still don’t like the blind spot with regards rental property in their housing plan. That’s where the people in real need are looking.

    I’d far rather they had rolled out a policy that would have encouraged the formation and development of housing collectives/co-operatives. But hey.

    • weka 1.1

      I’d far rather they had rolled out a policy that would have encouraged the formation and development of housing collectives/co-operatives.
       

      Which is why we need the Greens and Mana with strong representation in the next govt.
       
      Plus supporting owner/builder projects. In the 1960s my parents built their own home with the help of a professional builder. There are lots of barriers to doing that now (mostly unnecessary and only there because of the leaky building ripoff merchants and over-reaction to that crisis). There are increasing numbers of people wanting to build small, affordable homes (for a lot less than $300,000).

      • Bill 1.1.1

        Yup. Innovative (and conventional) self-build opportunities, allied with an overhaul of building regs with regards permissable materials, and a breaking up of the building cartels. Oh, and the introduction of lifetime leases for rental properties.

        All of that and more could have been a part of the policy. But no. Let’s just keep on having ‘aspirational’ people chasing jobs to then struggle to buy houses back off of the banks. That should do it.

        Until however many years down the track when it’s all, once again (apologies) ‘bubble, bubble….trouble’

    • karol 1.2

      Still don’t like the blind spot with regards rental property in their housing plan. That’s where the people in real need are looking.

      Indeed, Bill. I’m living in less than adequate rental accommodation in the outer burbs of Auckland, and on the lookout for something a little better at a reasonable cost.  It’s a dispiriting endeavour.  My response to Kiwibuild is lukewarm.

      And it’s not just about building more houses/flats, it’s how they are situated in relation to the local community, facilities and transport.

      This transport blog piece on the 5 minute pint test is a very good illustration – how far do people have to travel from their home to buy a pint of milk?

  2. infused 2

    Many holes in those arguments. As David said:

    “Statistics show that in the past six months there have been at least nine properties that sold for $500,000 or more above their CV, and one went for a whopping $1.2 million above valuation. … The housing boom is also making it difficult for independent valuers to put an accurate price on properties.”

    Bullshit statistics. How much did they invest in these properties? When were the CVs updated?

  3. vto 3

    Look, end-times are always volatile. I see nothing to support this price lift and plenty of the legs underneath wobbly as all hell.

    Good luck to all investors. I think you are going to need it.

    • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 3.1

      So your solution, vto, is to leave it to the market to fix?

      • vto 3.1.1

        My opinion says that this is a mulit-headed beast and each aspect needs work. No time right now to go into detail but the problem is exacerbated by our fractional reserve banking system and the financial system, cartels in the building supplies sector (e.g. cement), Council regulations, Council charges lumping all future costs onto the first time buyer, failure of other investment sectors such as the NZX, finance companies, managed funds, lack of land supply, GST, on it goes.

        A new house is made up of many components and each one needs work. It is not a single issue problem.

        Labour’s KiwiBuild is a step in the right direction. I applaud Labour for moving down this track. What is National’s track? Well, have a look at Chch and the “leave it to the market” approach – it is terrifying if forced out to the wolves down here at the moment.

        Market approaches work well for silly things like televisions, cars and biscuits. But housing is a social issue whereby we all need to ensure our neighbours are well housed .The television doesn’t matter. Get the diff?

        • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 3.1.1.1

          Yet, half an hour ago, you claimed that housing prices were going to collapse. If that’s the case, why do we need Labour’s plan?

          • vto 3.1.1.1.1

            two different issues, although often confused by people.

            • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 3.1.1.1.1.1

              When the apocalypse comes (because of the fractional reserve banking system and the financial system), will Auckland house prices be low or high?

              • vto

                Silly.

                Not low or high. You mean lower or higher. Which bears no relationship to affordability.

                I can expand if you wish but I suspect you know that market movement in property values is an entirely different beast from affordable housing for those least able to so afford.

                Do you want to continue with this silly point of yours?

  4. Bill 4

    Question. What does the claim that 2/3rds of houses built in the 1960’s were not affordable actually mean? What would the background stats/ calculations of that claim be…Anybody?

    • r0b 4.1

      As I understand it the claim of “affordable” is based on the ratio of the house price to the average wage. No doubt Labour have done their numbers on this, but if they are publicly available I don’t know where.

      • Bill 4.1.1

        Well, I was assuming some straight forward comparison like that. But what about the different lending criteria back then as opposed to now? Or the fact that a single wage serviced a mortgage as opposed to today where it requires a household income. And so on and so on.

      • Lanthanide 4.1.2

        It’s something like 3 times or less the median wage is affordable, 3-4 has a specific term and anything over 4 is ‘unaffordable’.

      • pete 4.1.3

        Why do they always compare against one wage?

        Women work. There are often two wages per household. So houses are affordable, just not by one breadwinner.

        • felix 4.1.3.1

          Which is just another way of saying they’re a lot less affordable than they used to be.

          No surprises there though. The rewards of the massive productivity increases of the last few decades have been distributed in profits to the owners of capital while real wages have gone backwards.

          • pete 4.1.3.1.1

            Which is just another way of saying they’re a lot less affordable than they used to be.

            Society isn’t what it used to be. Both parents seldom had full-time paid employment. That variable means households have more income. People are also putting off having children until later. Supply hasn’t kept up, due to land use restriction.

            Therefore, prices must rise.

            • Bill 4.1.3.1.1.1

              Pete. Maybe households have more income. But households also have a far higher percentage of fixed expenditures. And that results in less disposable income compared to the late 60’s/ early 70’s after costs are adjusted for inflation. And then there’s the fact that the ability to earn an income is bound around by more precariousity these days.

              • pete

                Indeed.

                I’m inclined to agree with the left on the employment front. We have kids who have done everything right – they got the grades, they finished University. Then nothing.

                I’m not sure what the answer is. How about instead of unemployment benefit, we pay companies to have apprenticeship schemes for all sorts of roles, not just trades. i.e. computer programmers, administrators, etc? Combine it with bonding.

                • McFlock

                  Why bother with bonding?
                     
                  It’s just another layer of expense, with a dose of “fuck you, I [the state] will take my pound of flesh”. A percentage of newly-qualified trades staff might piss off never to return, but if NZ is a relatively nice place on the planet most will stay. And of those who leave, some will return with wide experience and assets they built up overseas.
                       
                  I actually have the same issue with taxpayer-funded tertiary education: at the moment people pay more than their portion of the public:private good ratio of their qualification, and the govt will chase them to the ends of the earth to get it. $100k debt is a great incentive to fuck off to where the money is. Make it fully funded, and most people will stay, and the consumer economy will have slightly more life breathed into it as income goes on consumption not loan repayments.
                          
                  But then we still need a 100-year plan that doesn’t rely on hypothetical technology to magic our arse out of the AGW+fuel depletion fire.
                   

                • Hi pete,

                  Here’s a link that I think Bill once put me on to. It’s a lecture by Elizabeth Warren – a professor of contract law at Harvard (with a special interest in individual bankruptcy) and, since the recent election, a senator for Massachusetts, I think.

                  She notes the (lack of) impact of double incomes on improving the financial situation of households in the US. NZ is a different kettle of fish, of course, but the role of housing affordability and mortgage debt is relevant.

        • Colonial Viper 4.1.3.2

          Women work. There are often two wages per household. So houses are affordable, just not by one breadwinner.

          Single people, you’re fucked, rent for the rest of your life.

          • pete 4.1.3.2.1

            We can’t wind the clock back. We must deal with the circumstances we have today. Women work.

            If you’re single, you are in competition with working couples. You either have to save longer, buy a smaller house, live in an apartment, or move towns.

            • Lanthanide 4.1.3.2.1.1

              “We can’t wind the clock back. We must deal with the circumstances we have today. Women work.”

              No one is suggesting we “wind the clock back”. What we are suggesting is that if the growth and profit in the country was more fairly distributed, rather than going to the top 5% and capital owners, then there would be less of a need for both adults in a household to work because wages on average would be higher.

            • Mike 4.1.3.2.1.2

              I agree with the second part of your comment. The sad thing about it is that the word “competition” is used in conjunction with buying a house. This is a reflection on our entire monetary and economic system, especially over the last 30 years. We have been brainwashed into believing that competition amongst ourselves is somehow a good or beneficial thing and the system we operate under forces people to compete rather than cooperate.

            • Mike 4.1.3.2.1.3

              Pretty much all of the property investor and real estate agents blogs and websites are totally against the idea. Therefore logic would dictate that on the face of it, it might just work and might just be a good thing?

          • King Kong 4.1.3.2.2

            “Single people, you’re fucked, rent for the rest of your life.”

            Or you could try logging out of the Standard, opening up your bedroom curtains and going out and meeting some girls.

            A word of advice, don’t bring up politics. You don’t want to scare them off by showing how rediculous you are.

  5. Chalupa Batman 5

    I agree that National needs to up its game over housing (up its game or get into the game in the first place?) but I don’t think Labours plan is feasible

    Forgetting the maths thats already been done I just don’t see how its possible to build that many houses in that short a time period

    So Labour may well have good intentions but it’ll probably come back and bite them in the arse

    • r0b 5.1

      Ten years isn’t a “short” time period. Industry reckons it can be done, but if we do fall short of the 100,000 target – just keep the programme rolling…

      • Chalupa Batman 5.1.1

        They would say that to get the work (as I’m sure you know) but 10 000 houses a year is 27 houses a day (not taking into account weekends and public holidays)

        There would need to be a huge push to apprenticeships, polytechnic training and immigration to get even close

        • r0b 5.1.1.1

          There would need to be a huge push to apprenticeships, polytechnic training

          Yes. Is that a bad thing?

          and immigration to get even close

          Perhaps all we’d need to do is stop the exodus to Australia. Perhaps KiwiBuild would give folk more reasons to stay.

          Honestly – the fact that KiwiBuild is big and ambitious is not a reason not to attempt it. Have we as a country completely lost our fire?

          • Chalupa Batman 5.1.1.1.1

            Yes. Is that a bad thing?
            – No

            Perhaps all we’d need to do is stop the exodus to Australia.
            -I don’t think theres that many tradesman and builders going

            Perhaps KiwiBuild would give folk more reasons to stay.
            -Labour will need to spell out the specifics and costings to convince those to stay

            Honestly – the fact that KiwiBuild is big and ambitious is not a reason not to attempt it.
            -I agree

            Have we as a country completely lost our fire?
            -No but we are starting to want more from our politicians than grand promises

            If (and its a big if) Labour can get some where close to what they’re thinking about this without it turning into a way for people to make a quick buck subsidized by everyone else then good on them and they’ll deserve to be in power (pref with the greens in minor role and Winston out of the loop completely)

            • Lanthanide 5.1.1.1.1.1

              “Perhaps all we’d need to do is stop the exodus to Australia.
              -I don’t think theres that many tradesman and builders going”

              Everything I’ve heard about getting labour into Christchurch over the last couple of years has said that these tradesman have been moving to Australia, partly due to the flooding up north so there was huge demand for rebuild there, whereas CHCH is still puttering along and hasn’t really started properly.

              Now there are stories about casual workers in the construction sector in Australia losing their jobs and how a lot of them are NZers with no security of employment.

              “Perhaps KiwiBuild would give folk more reasons to stay.
              -Labour will need to spell out the specifics and costings to convince those to stay”

              Note that Labour isn’t in power yet. Anyone who chooses to move over to Australia in the next year or to will be doing so because of the current situation on the ground and National’s complete inability to do anything about it.

              Should Labour win the next election, I’m sure the details on this plan will be forthcoming and people will make short-medium term decisions then about whether to leave the country.

              • vto

                “-I don’t think theres that many tradesman and builders going”… to Australia

                Anecdote-wise stories and actions around the traps in Chch is that the rebuild is stopping very few from leaving. So far.

              • Chalupa Batman

                Should Labour win the next election, I’m sure the details on this plan will be forthcoming and people will make short-medium term decisions then about whether to leave the country.

                – I think people are getting pissed at parties that make vague policies before an election and fail to keep them after, this could cause a backlash

                • felix

                  I agree. And the backlash will put Labour and the Greens in govt.

                  • Chalupa Batman

                    Probably will and if Labour and the greens fail to live up to theirs they’ll be out…

                    And so it goes

                    • felix

                      Nah, the last govt lived up to and exceeded most of their promises, vague or otherwise. They were voted out because this lot convinced the dickhead belt of two things:

                      1. You can take more pay, pay less tax AND keep all your social services

                      2. The lesbians are coming for your lightbulbs.

              • Mike

                I think part of the problem in Christchurch is the fact that it is Christchurch. I know of at least 3 builders who decided against going to where the work is in Christchurch simply because they didn’t want to move their families to a place recently struck by a deadly earthquake.

            • r0b 5.1.1.1.1.2

              I don’t think theres that many tradesman and builders going

              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10837583

              The face of the exodus to Australia is changing as skilled trade workers in their 20s replace young, well-educated Kiwis flocking to Australia.

              Ten years ago, New Zealand was hit by a brain drain; now young tradespeople are chasing jobs and larger pay packets in Australia in a migration dubbed the “trades drain”.

            • felix 5.1.1.1.1.3

              “If (and its a big if) Labour can get some where close to what they’re thinking about this without it turning into a way for people to make a quick buck subsidized by everyone else then good on them and they’ll deserve to be in power (pref with the greens in minor role and Winston out of the loop completely)”

              Actually, my anti-democratic chum, they’ll “deserve to be in power” with the Greens if enough people vote it so.

              • Chalupa Batman

                Semantics…

                • felix

                  Democracy.

                  ps “semantics” is the field of study of meaning, in this case the meaning of words. If it’s your intention to write comments on this blog without consideration for what the words mean, then please say so now so I can make a mental note to disregard them.

                  • Chalupa Batman

                    Semantics:

                    The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form:

                    As an example I said “they’ll deserve to be in power” you replied with “if enough people vote it so.”

                    So we’re basically agreed they’ll deserve to be in power so lets not quibble over…semantics

                    • felix

                      No, you said they’d deserve to be in power “if and only if” they blah blah blah.

                      In fact they don’t have to meet any of your arbitrary conditions in order to deserve to govern.

        • Lanthanide 5.1.1.2

          You know that 27 houses a day doesn’t mean they build the entire house in a single day, right?

          • Rob 5.1.1.2.1

            What it does mean is that you need to have built a repeating supply chain that will be handling over 2,000 build projects at any particular time (based on an 8 week build cycle which is very ambitious). Even in boom times for residential building (2007, when there were annualised consents for just over 30,000 homes) the largest home builders (ie Fletchers -Akl based, GJ Gardener – national, Jennian – national etc) were topping out at 600 odd homes per year.

            So any infrastructure capable of finishing and delivering 27 fvit for purpose dwellings per day is a very big co-ordinated engine in anyones terms and frankly beyond the skill and wit of this labour representation.

            • r0b 5.1.1.2.1.1

              based on an 8 week build cycle which is very ambitious

              A lot of these houses are going to be built to a standard design. Economies of scale (mass produced pre-fab kits) should see a quicker build than that.

              • Chalupa Batman

                I hope they don’t do apartment blocks like the housing estates in England…

                • mike e

                  lupi batshit check out Melbourne inner city redevelopment.
                  Cynicism is not policy or a solution doing nothing ,but that is nationals policy!

              • Rob

                You know , the biggest hold up in building is not due to unstandardised design. It is due to the logistics and supply infrastructure supplying these projects. Specific designed Pre frame goes up in 2 days once it is delivered, which is a lot quicker than bespoke framing on site. But to build in busy communities where large trucks have to negotiate mid day traffic (espcially in Auckland where a lot of this plan is going to happen) to deliver specific material loads creates the largest aspect of the waste and down time.

                The overall point being is that there is a lot of opportunity for off site manufacturing of modular components and it does make things more acurate and reduces the site influence for mistakes, however the wasted time element is created in the delivery and off load at site. This then prompts actions like delivery outside of peak traffic times , requiring people on site outside of normal working hours etc.

                • felix

                  “This then prompts actions like delivery outside of peak traffic times , requiring people on site outside of normal working hours etc.”

                  Jeez, I’m glad you got there in the end. Keep thinking mate, you’re on the right track.

                  • Rob

                    Really, well that will require a very flexible labour crew and a very understanding neighbourhood. Both of which have been read as major issues on this site.

                    • felix

                      Yes Rob, it will.

                      It will require a huge works program, on a scale which can only be achieved by utilising the power and resources of the state.

                      Keep going mate…

      • Fortran 5.1.2

        r0b

        That’s 196 houses completed a week.

  6. Pete 6

    There’s also the virtual monopoly Fletchers has on building materials in NZ. It costs around $1800 per square metre to build a house in NZ, while it costs AUD$1060 per square metre to build in Australia.

    • vto 6.1

      ^^ this

      this is the elephant in the room.

      the forests, the mills, the outlets, the builders, the lot all the way through from pine seedling to finished product – all dominated by fletchers.

      who has the balls to stand up to it? Key? ha ha ha ha ha – the man is a wuss, not to mention being in the back pocket of biz

  7. “Let’s say I have $600,000 of equity. Brokers tell me that banks are keen to lend and will allow me to buy a couple of rental properties with 5 per cent deposits. I could then buy another five with 10 per cent deposits, and the rest of the money could be used as 20 per cent deposits to buy three more. That would allow me to buy 10 investment properties at $500,000 each for a total of $5 million, including borrowings of $4.4 million. That’s an average loan-to-value ratio of 88 per cent. …”

    I am sick to death of Hickey. The guy is a flake.
    No Bank will allow an LvR of 88% on rental properties.
    Good luck buying a couple with 5% deposits as well.
    Despite him making those numbers up. If by some impossible confluence of circumstances he actually found a bank that would operate outside its mandated lending policies he would go broke in weeks because the rental yield on those properties would be massively in the negative half of the spreadsheet.
    The simple fact is that buying a house in Auckland today at the prices being achieved is a very bad prospect for anybody wanting to become a landlord. Houses are too expensive currently and the ,market will not sustain an increase in rent returns that would make them an affordable and beneficial investment for rental returns.
    If rents cannot increase then sale prices must come down. Once the Chinese investors realise this or find somewhere less flaky to put their cash this is exactly what will happen.

    • Lanthanide 7.1

      So who should we trust, a person who runs a widely-regarded website on NZ economics and the banking sector, or you, someone with no reputation on a blog, who says that he is wrong?

      • Mathematics is saying he is wrong.
        And I know a damn site more about the internal rules and processes that a bank manager must follow than Bernard Hickey.
        No bank is going to let you buy rentals with a 5% deposit in the current Auckland property market.
        The rental returns are yielding too low for current prices to be sustainable.

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1

          The rental returns are yielding too low for current prices to be sustainable.

          Uh, Auckland house pricing is not based on rental returns. Its based on a debt fueled speculative bubble.

          And I know a damn site more about the internal rules and processes that a bank manager must follow than Bernard Hickey.

          If you read the quote carefully, Hickey mentions that the information has been given to him by mortgage brokers.

          • pete 7.1.1.1.1

            Uh, Auckland house pricing is not based on rental returns. Its based on a debt fueled speculative bubble.

            Bank loans are if you’re leveraging to the hilt as a landlord. Banks aren’t stupid.

            Rather than shoot from the hip, how about considering that some people have been there, done that, and therefore may know more about it than you do.

            Have you even owned a house? Applied for a mortgage?

            • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1.1.1

              What do you have to sell me? I’m always interested in properties at least 5% under GV.

            • Barnsley Bill 7.1.1.1.1.2

              Typical, rather than go straight to the insult playbook just visit any bank website and have a look at the LvR they will allow on rental properties.
              Yes I (have and) do own houses. I have for many years worked hard to ensure I will not have to eat cat food in my old age.
              The message I am trying to get across is that the Auckland market is dangerously over cooked.
              If you look back to when GFC began;
              The banks stopped lending.
              This caused a bulge in the snake where first time buyers were locked out of the market for almost two years. This put pressure on the rental market which saw rents go through the roof in Auckland as new renters came in but not many moved out by buying their first home. The banks have started lending again which has seen a surge of people trying to get on the ladder and the recent price rises have gone too far. The market does not behave with precision. There is always an over reaction (or under reaction).

              • Colonial Viper

                The message I am trying to get across is that the Auckland market is dangerously over cooked.

                Indeed. As mentioned on earlier threads, good luck to NZ if it continues concentrating 30% of its population in only 0.3% of the space.

                • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                  Let’s round them up and send them to the countryside for re-education. Year zero, we’ll call it.

          • pete 7.1.1.1.2

            If you read the quote carefully, Hickey mentions that the information has been given to him by mortgage brokers.

            It depends on your circumstances. You’d need all your ducks lined up to get that kind of leverage against rentals. You’d also need perfect headwinds i.e. no rental gaps, good tenants, and a surging market.

            • Colonial Viper 7.1.1.1.2.1

              The market is surging.

              • pete

                Today, it is.

                Hence the risk when it comes to investing. You don’t know quite what it will do tomorrow, as many investors found out in 2007.

            • Lanthanide 7.1.1.1.2.2

              Ok, so Hickey is painting an extreme picture.

              Let’s halve what he’s saying. So now he buys 5 houses with $600k instead of 10.

              Now, is that problematic? IMO yes.

              Quibbling about the extent of his illustration rather misses the forest for the trees.

      • pete 7.1.2

        I think Hickey is being misleading by not stating the risks.

        That kind of leverage is a) hard to get loans for and b) carries considerable downside risk.

        When the market comes off a few points, the bank will want to refinance, and if you can’t meet it, they’ll sell you out. It *could* come off, but like any investing, it’s easiest done in the rear-view mirror.

        • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.1

          Highly leveraged positions do have massive downside risks. They also have massive upside risks.

          So the only question which is important – Does greed for gains or fear of collapse rule the Auckland housing investment market at the moment?

          • pete 7.1.2.1.1

            The property market is complex. We can’t put those prices down to leveraged speculators. There are a number of inputs and conditions that affect house prices.

            You may notice that Wellington house prices are fairly static. Same goes for the rest of the country outside Auckland/Christchurch. Do leveraged speculators only exist in Auckland? Or perhaps some other conditions influence price?

            • Colonial Viper 7.1.2.1.1.1

              Dunno.

              • pete

                Fundamentals.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Political economic fundamentals, not market fundamentals.

                • McFlock

                  “fundamentals” is a non-answer unless you can clearly demonstrate what exactly you mean and demonstrate that they are the likely cause of such significant market differences – you might as well say “prayer” or “widgets”.
                       
                  Given that population, land availability and so on are either static or relatively slow changers (barring calamity), few “fundamentals” remain to explain significant market fluctuations.

                  • pete

                    Fundamentals such as (in Wellington) lower levels of immigration, flat public service numbers, meaning less demand. Existing supply meets demand. Therefore, prices are reasonably static.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Leaving housing to the market = dumb unworkable idea

                      Firing public servants and high unemployment = cheaper housing?

                      Good National free market Plan.

                    • McFlock

                      Sources are wonderful things.
                         
                      StatsNZ infoshare HLFS  by regional council shows Auckland has a higher unemployment rate than Wellington Dec 2011, even though Auckland projected population is growing faster (although given that the census is well out of date, take that with a grain of salt).
                                
                      Basically, though, the fact that you can point to some “fundamentals” that might lean in a direction that might drive an increase demand for housing alongside the speculation that we know exists (it’s the basic mechanism of capitalism) doesn’t mean squat. Populations, and therefore demand, do not change as quickly as house prices fluctuate.  Interest rates and bank competition to lend as much as possible to as many people as possible do tend to bounce around a bit, though.

                    • pete

                      So…you’re saying speculators simply ignore Wellington – and the rest of NZ – bar Auckland – because……speculators like nice weather?

                      Or do you think the demand/supply situation in Auckland is out of whack?

                    • McFlock

                      I think the perception is that the Auckland supply/demand situation is out of whack.
                             
                      I’m not sure that the actual population:dwellings:medianIncome ratio has changed all that much. I’m not overly familiar with the nuances of the Auckland market, so am merely going on the available macro data. If you have better data, feel free to share.

      • felix 7.1.3

        Oh come now Lanth, I hardly think it’s fair to say Barnsley Bill has no reputation…

    • seeker 7.2

      @BarnsleyB 9.04am

      What about the shoeboxes that pass for apartments in Auckland? Those tiny shoeboxes where one can stack students? Houses may be too expensive but shoeboxes don’t seem to be for investors, and the rent people ( because students are people too) are expected to pay for them is extortionate.

    • xtasy 7.3

      “Barnsley Bill”:
      If you are sick of Hickey, then organise the long overdue “Kiwi revolt” against this government, allowing massive property speculation, the sale of sections on average about 300 k in Auckland now, and of course housing en masse to overseas buyer, who in auction rooms represent about 80 per cent of bidders.

      Hickey is just telling us how it is under present conditions! Stick your head in the sand, like an ostrich, it is the most popular past time in NZ anyway, if it has not caught on with you yet.

      The problem with this country is, it is all too many self serving “bullshit” people running and controlling it, and damned too many idiots falling for what they get served up in shit media every day.

      Shearer and Labour have today surely made themselves the “idiot on the block”, where their MPs did visit homes in South Auckland, talking to home owners, and not knowing that sections go for around 300 k to build on.

      As I suspected, after the initial nice looking figures, and a hard trying speech by Shearer, it all has looked to nice to be realistic.

      You are all being “had” for a laugh here!

      They have not done the figures, as the property market, like almost anything re investing and economic in NZ is totally OUT OF CONTROL!

      Soon 2 thirds of average Kiwis will have NO chance to ever own their own home, unless it is a shoe-box size little unit or apartment in a block. And that seems to be what Shearer and his ignorant, incompetent lot have on mind for people to “invest” in, while they offer NADA for state housing construction projects, that would really make a difference.

      To make it all work, cheap land is needed for a start, or the land must be used intensely, to build up, not on quarter acre style lots in greenlands. Or do the daring task, and “nationalise” certain tracts of land, companies and so forth, at the same time stopping overseas buying!

  8. National’s “solution” is to complain about Labour’s solution.

    With his masterful understanding of NZ history, naturally Mr Key is well aware that it’s just impossible for the state to engage in a large-scale house construction programme…

    • Ed 9.1

      Didn’t Key live in a State housing area when he was a child?

      http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/we-call-it-home/the-state-steps-in-and-out

      Auckland is now at the stage where existing houses are being replaced by new developments, and to maximise profits these are generally expensive new homes. To repeat the state housing suburbs of years ago would just extend the sprawl; it may be necessary for the NZ government to either build itself higher density housing – or fund local government to do that.

      From history we learn that the National Party will not move in that direction while they remain in government, but it is certainly possible for the state to engage in a large-scale house construction programme . . .

      • xtasy 9.1.1

        Ed: “it may be necessary for the NZ government to either build itself higher density housing – or fund local government to do that. From history we learn that the National Party will not move in that direction while they remain in government”

        That is exactly what they are planning to do with Housing NZ project and also outsourced “social housing” that will be operated by NGOs and the likes (Sallies or whomsoever).

        There are projects under way, where Housing NZ is selling lots of existing, old stocks in Auckland (e.g. Three Kings, Sandringham, etc.), where some goes to investors, and where some will be rebuilt, in the form of 3-level blocks. Those blocks will replace the old style spread out housing that Housing NZ used to rely on.

        The poor will be stacked on top in little boxes, it is happening, and the rest of the market will be left for the private investors, whether from overseas, from NZ, whether desperate 1st home buyers or else. Sprawl will be the result for them, if Nats are allowed to continue, expanding Auckland to Wellsford, Warkworth, Drury, Waiuku and so on.

  9. Matthew 10

    I was disturbed this morning on Breakfast when Peter Williams was putting Labour’s scheme down as unworkable as it meant they had to build ‘a house an hour for ten years which is obviously not possible’. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to watch Shearer’s interview about just that issue later in the show but i hope he rammed it right up that smug gits ass.

  10. AAMC 11

    Why are house prices so high..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4WmDoYJhnk&feature=player_embedded#!

    “An average three-bed house cost £2,000 in 1952. In 2012 it costs £162,000. That’s an inflation of 8,000%….
    the average cost of a loaf of bread in 1952 was 6p. In 2012 it is £1.25. That’s an inflation of 1,983%. Likewise an average pint of milk was 4p in 1952 and is now 49p. That’s an inflation of 1,125%…. This increased money supply in the housing market creates an increase in demand for houses. The supply of houses, as we already know, can’t match this rising demand so prices are pushed up…. Between 1995 and 2007 the UK population increased by 5%, the housing stock increased by 10% and house prices increased by 350%, meanwhile mortgage lending by banks increased by 630%.”

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/08/28/why-exactly-are-homes-so-expensive/

    Although I support the sentiment of the housing policy and appreciate it will give an opportunity to 100,00 middle class workers, will put builders to work, creating some extra demand in the economy, it fails to tackle the real issue behind our house prices.

    What worries me is that this policy frames the public’s understanding of affordability. The framing is around supply, which is not the only game in town. By framing it this way and continuing to allow the public to be ill informed and misunderstand why assets continue to become more expensive; other than these 100k new houses – which will quickly inflate to meet the market – we never create a platform that actually allows us to address the real issues behind affordability.

    When / if this increase in supply comes onto the market, these houses inflate to meet the market and we see no real change in affordability, where is Labour left in terms of it’s moral high ground around addressing housing affordability?

    I appreciate Labour is also doing work on CGT (no talk of LVR’s or LVT unfortunately) and on the RBNZ intervening to cool the foreign safe haven capital which is seeking yields from our interest rates and safety in our sovereign currency. Why not include this in the housing debate to bulid a mandate to better reign in the banks?

    As long as Europe, USA, UK, BRICS, Japan, China are slowing – potentially forever if you listen to Jeremy Grantham’s ‘On The Road To Zero Growth’ ( http://www.gurufocus.com/news/198413/gmos-jeremy-grantham-third-quarter-letter–on-the-road-to-zero-growth ) our banks are going to be flooded with both Fed, ECB, BoE, BoJ quantitative easing and with money looking for a safe place. And as long as our banks are full of this cash, they’re going to want to lend it out and profit from it… 5% deposit, want a free iPad with that?!?!

    This policy doesn’t address any of this, but it does continue to nourish the misunderstanding, maintaining the economic orthodoxy which got us here. We should be trying to build a platform for change which positively effects all 4.something million of us.

  11. BM 12

    Personally I think building houses for people to buy is a crap idea.

    I would prefer more state houses being built, use these houses to train up apprentice builders, plumbers sparkies etc..
    Training young people in apprenticeships is crap these days this is one area that I do think the government need to step in and get sorted and quickly as were about too lose a vast amount of trade qualified people over the next 10 years.

    Building pissy little prefabs will not produce qualified builders, you need to be building a variety of different houses, one story two story etc.
    That’s achievable with a state house building strategy not with a buy to own strategy.

    Also on another note flooding the employment market with construction workers would drive down wages significantly.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Also on another note flooding the employment market with construction workers would drive down wages significantly.

      There’s no excess of construction workers in the market place, but a lot of demand. So wages will rise.

  12. fisiani 13

    Promising an extra 100,000 homes over 10 years means building a home every 13 minutes. No amount of fancy graphics get around the impossibility of such a preposterous claim. It is not a promise it is a fraud.Oh and since the majority will be in Auckland is there the readily available land for more than 60,000 sections.

    • Colonial Viper 13.1

      30,000 building consents issued during 2003 alone.

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=3546571

      • Te Reo Putake 13.1.1

        C’mon, CV, play fair. Don’t confuse Fisi with facts, you know he only operates on gut instinct and random electrical impulses to his shattered nerve endings generated by mouthing aloud the words in Cameron Slater’s spittle flecked ramblings.

      • indiana 13.1.2

        Did those 30,000 building consents turn into actual homes? Do you need a building consent to build a car port, a balcony, a deck or make a permanent alteration to an existing house?

        Yes, new dwellings were reported in that article, but how many exactly? Certainly not the figure that is hoped to be built per year I am sure.

        • Colonial Viper 13.1.2.1

          Correct, 30,000 dwelling consents issued during 2003 alone, according to that article.

          • xtasy 13.1.2.1.1

            Take out the apartment dwellings for clearer figures, as that was in the midst of the apartment boom, where thousands were built, all mostly large to medium size blocks, each containing untold “dwellings”!

    • mike e 13.2

      Blind Monetarist we built 5,000 houses a year when the population was only 1 million and met those targets considering house builds take a third of the time to do now its very doable as well as the option of kitsets and prefabing your are blindly following and wallowing in your leader poncekeys cynicism!

  13. fisiani 14

    One house every 13 minutes. Do the maths – and remember that a working week is only 40 hours and not the 168 hours. Totally utterly impossible.

    • Matthew 14.1

      Well it is if only one team is doing it…. but if you had 2-3000 tradies doing it, using prefabbed sections built off site, using maybe another 1000 workers, trucked in & Assembled like Mechano…. thats 600-700 houses on the go at any one time JUST in Kiwibuild…. tell me again how 40 of those wont be completed every week?

      • felix 14.1.1

        I think fisi wants you to prove you can do it without employing anyone or investing any money.

      • BM 14.1.2

        Why would you want to do this?
        This is factory work, not trade qualified work.

        The only up side to the government building houses is the training which you’re not going to get with cheap tiny prefabs.

      • fisiani 14.1.3

        Duh Lets use your maths then
        40 houses per week and there are 48 effective working weeks after holidays, sick leave and public holidays equates to 1,920 a year NOT the mythical 10,000 a year every year.
        Still out by a factor of 5.

        • Lanthanide 14.1.3.1

          Hey Fisi, did you know that not everyone goes on holiday or has sick leave at the same time?

          It’s bizarre that you try and construct a 48-week year out of what is a 52-week year.

          • insider 14.1.3.1.1

            Ususally two weeks minimum lost at Xmas – more like 3 (most don’t go back 3 Jan) plus an additional 7 days annually through public holidays which is another week and a half working days. These generally affect all employees. So not hard to get to 48 weeks only available for work.

        • mike e 14.1.3.2

          fishy anal we were building nearly 30’000 a year before the GFC now we are down to 10’000 a year .
          So tell me how those other 20,000 houses a year got built! thats 54 a week!

          Your full of it!

    • r0b 14.2

      Christian charity “habitat for humanity” builds at least one house every few minutes (estimates from every 23 minutes to every 10 minutes) world wide.

      I don’t see any reason why the Government of NZ shouldn’t be able to match the performance of a single charitable organisation.

      Update: Oh look – a single construction company in Canada builds a house every 41 minutes.

    • Daveosaurus 14.3

      Because on Planet Fizzy, there is only one builder in the whole of New Zealand. Meanwhile, back in the real world…

  14. Ennui in Requiem 15

    Here in Purgatory we while away eternity playing a game of camel inflation, several deceased banker devils act as bookies and promise “salvation” so long as you commit your soul to ever increasing hours of being boiled in oil. We are all betting about how high the camel can go. For each hour we spend being boiled Satan inflates the camel with further and further blasts of helium…it is now floating near the ceiling. Lucifer is a pyromaniacal devil who keeps lighting straws and tosses them into the air…..on the downside if the camel explodes and breaks its back crash landing we will be left to boil in oil for eternity. Some of us think it is just a matter of time (of which we have plenty), others say the ceiling will rise and rise…….

  15. prism 16

    If Labour wants to solve today’s and tomorrow’s needs for affordable housing, the problem of price needs to be contained and controlled to prevent future repetition. If most of those houses had the government helping people who could save a small deposit over say two years, showing willing to control their finances so as to get to a better place in the living standard and stay there that would be a good first step.

    Second step is to develop a Housing Trust, outside NZ Housing and without their increasingly authoritarian and charity-riiden attitude,. This Trust would give customers of new houses who would be from the low income group, choices in their floor plan etc. and they would have an ordinary mortgage, but there would be short mortgage holidays allowed but also with a budget advisory meeting.

    When people wanted to move, there would be a lien or such to the the Housing Trust which would buy back their houses at an agreed valuation of say term deposit interest per year cumulatively for a house in good average condition. This would keep houses out of the hands of the raw free market and ensure that prices remained at a level that was affordable to low income, new housing group.

    My comment is awaiting moderation! IAU!

  16. You can’t beat the family benefit capitalization from years ago, if only kiwisaver could
    become a genuine vehicle for home ownership for all, instead of it being income tested
    for bank loans, this is where the govt could come in and supply cheap loans to those wanting
    to buy exsisting homes and for those who want to build homes,building homes will be
    out of the reach for many.
    Phil Goff introduced the family benefit scheme years ago,he would be the one to have a
    look into how it could be intergrated into the kiwisaver funds etc.
    Phil should be spearheading this one as well.

  17. Populuxe1 18

    The problem isn’t so much lack of housing as too many people wanting to live in Auckland. Encourage redistribution of population to smaller centres.
    Kiwibuild may very likely lead to a Clinton-esque property bubble.

    • Colonial Viper 18.1

      Encourage redistribution of population to smaller centres.

      Exactly.

      • indiana 18.1.1

        We could start by legislating that NZ Post move their headquarters to Ekatahuna, Kiwi Rail to Mosgeil and Kiwi Bank to Gisborne.

        • Populuxe1 18.1.1.1

          In the days of decentralisation when Internal Affairs was in Timaru, TVNZ was in Christchurch, and Radio NZ was in Dunedin, it all worked just fine.

          • indiana 18.1.1.1.1

            Were those the same days when you could argue that the cost of living in Timaru was cheaper than Auckland, hence you didn’t need to pay the same wages as a person doing the same job in another office?

            • felix 18.1.1.1.1.1

              You talk about that as if it doesn’t happen today. Guess you don’t get around much.

      • AAMC 18.1.2

        I wonder, as the rest of the world slows, will we see a return of those who moved to Melbourne, London, Berlin etc, and to ‘the mines’. And will we see them settle out of the centers in search of more affordable living.

        Had a very interesting conversation with a young person looking for accomodation in Auckland the other day, she was tossing up whether to move to Melbourne or Whanganui.- suburban Auckland really isn’t that desireable for many – and was proposing this as a discussion many in her pear group were having.

  18. BM 19

    Did Labour actually talk to any one within the Construction industry while coming up with Kiwi Build?
    Or is it all in house theory?

      • BM 19.1.1

        Who are they, I couldn’t see any names in the article you linked to?

        • Te Reo Putake 19.1.1.1

          Yeah, good point, BM. Your wilful ingnorance is much more credible than Brian Rudman’s well researched opinions.

          How about you find some industry organisations who are opposed to this scheme? Hint: It’s going to be difficult for you, because the industry are quite keen on the idea of government guaranteed work for ten years on top of all that lucrative government guaranteed work in Chch. It’s a win/win/win, BM. Good for industry, good for workers, good for families.

          • BM 19.1.1.1.1

            So is Kiwi build just going to be just a group of office workers some where in Wellington dishing out tax payer coin to a few lucky building companies
            or
            Is Kiwi build going to be setting up offices up and down the country employing it’s own builders, painters, plasterers, sparkies etc.

          • xtasy 19.1.1.1.2

            Sorry Te Reo Putake: Rudman states nothing specific, only that it is not decided yet, “where” these houses, or rather “homes”, will go. He refers to Hobsonville, which is far out from Central Auckland, and mentions Annette King saying something about Housing NZ land to be partly considered.

            So is this program going to mean: Take it from the very poor, unable to even get a deposit for a home (HNZ tenants) and then give it to prospective middle-class first home buyers, so they can cast their grateful vote for Labour next time?

            It does not make any sense, and there is NOTHING specific. 66,000 new homes in Auckland require a fair bit of land, and that won’t come cheap!

            • Te Reo Putake 19.1.1.1.2.1

              Sorry, xtasy, but you’re vearing into strawman territory. There are plenty of options for land, including partnerships with councils and iwi. Apartments are also part of the package, so not every one will have an individual footprint. And I’m not sure why you think the plan requires 66,000 homes in Ak.
               
              I would have thought high growth areas will be targeted. Albany and the peninsular, Hamilton and Tauranga, Chch. Not Ak central or any suburb within a bike ride of K Rd. If you want to know how it might work in Ak, have a look at Melbourne; that’s the model, as I understand it. Suburbs built around efficient rail and roading corridors, not overpopulating the inner city.
               
              Edit: originally posted in the wrong place, got it right now.

              • xtasy

                TRP: As stated in other posts, there will need to be some controls placed on property and land value speculation, which will not just be done with a CGT. So what needs to happen is to dis-incentivise those land plot owners sitting on their plots for years, not willing to sell, as they want to wait for a high bidder offering them the best offer and highest profit.

                Maybe bring in a capital or land tax in some form after a tax exemption period, which should not be for too long. I know sections in Auckland that have been unused for years, and this is not just due to ongoing RMA issues or whatever.

                Also did I raise the option of nationalising certain lands, which could be considered of “strategic” importance with also social value, and thus be “bought” at affordable, low enough rateable value, not the speculative market values.

                Of course there are options, and I am also all for denser unit blocks, not too large apartment blocks and two level town- or terraced houses in certain spots along rail tracks, expanding existing settlements in suburbs and on the fringes. I oppose the endless sprawl though, as it will not turn out to be cheap and efficient at all in the end.

                Also the plan was to have 2 thirds of the homes built in Auckland, that makes roughly 66,666 to me. I agree, it may also be smart to give incentives to new migrants to move to other centres, rather than have so many settle in Auckland.

                But you would expected Labour to work out all this a bit more than they have done before making such big, daring announcements. That is “poor” and hopeless in my view.

      • Herodotus 19.1.2

        From the comments and press releases I have read I doubt very much of anyone associated with the development of land has been questioned from the lack if any knowledge on how things work , the time it takes the issues with small sections and council and planning requirements and as mentioned before site coverage impervious ground retro fitting existing infrastructure eg power, fibre, mains water pressure etc

  19. vto 20

    somebody said it above.

    John Key was raised in a house built by the New Zealand government and he says that he was very happy and thankful for that given his family’s financial circumstances. John Key takes political advantage of this.

    So why is he so against it now?

    He must answer this question given his politicising of this upbringing.

    • xtasy 20.1

      John Key was very happy and thankful, I presume, as he feels to be a “chosen and special human being”. He obviously does NOT see it as that others “deserve” to be “happy” as well, given his and his government’s policies!

  20. fisiani 21

    Mea culpa my maths was wrong when I said it would take 13 minutes to build a house to meet the outlandish claims by Labour
    Due to labour shortages caused by holidays, sick leave and statutory public holidays that only leaves 48 weeks
    48 x 40 x 60 = 115,200 minutes available
    Divide by the mythical 10,000 that is claimed and the Oompa Loompas have to complete every house in just 11.52 minutes without any consideration for breaks for tea, toilet or smoko or God forbid a roof shout. The Oompa Loompa union would have them out on strike for unfair working practices in the first week.

    • One Tāne Huna 21.1

      As CV says above, that must account for 30,000 dwelling consents issued during 2003 alone.

      The reality check exposes you every time, wingnut.

      • fisiani 21.1.1

        Repeat after me.
        A consent is not a contruction.
        Read it again and again till it gets through.
        Not even Willy Wonka would overwork the Oompa-Loompas as hard as that
        Lets have some fun with pointing out the “reality” of building a house in 11.52 minutes.

        http://www.b4ubuild.com/resources/schedule/6kproj.shtml

        1 1 Contracts 0.00d . Thu 6/5/12 Thu 6/5/12
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        59 6.11 – Steel Delivery 1.00d 58 Thu 9/4/12 Thu 9/4/12
        60 6.12 – Set Lintels, Bolts, Cap Block 2.00d 59 Fri 9/5/12 Mon 9/8/12
        61 6.13 – Lumber Delivery 1.00d 58 Thu 9/4/12 Thu 9/4/12
        62 6.14 – Waterproofing and Drain Tile 1.00d 61 Fri 9/5/12 Fri 9/5/12
        63 7 Rough Carpentry 44.00d . Tue 9/9/12 Fri 11/7/12
        64 7.1 – Set Steel 1.00d 60 Tue 9/9/12 Tue 9/9/12
        65 7.2 – 1st Floor Deck Framing 4.00d 64 Wed 9/10/12 Mon 9/15/12
        66 7.3 – 1st Floor Wall Framing 4.00d 65 Tue 9/16/12 Fri 9/19/12
        67 7.4 – Draw #2 (First Floor Deck) 0.00d 66 Fri 9/19/12 Fri 9/19/12
        68 7.5 – 2nd Floor Deck Framing 2.00d 67 Mon 9/22/12 Tue 9/23/12
        69 7.6 – Draw #3 (Second Floor Deck) 0.00d 68 Tue 9/23/12 Tue 9/23/12
        70 7.7 – 2nd Floor Wall Framing 3.00d 69 Wed 9/24/12 Fri 9/26/12
        71 7.8 – Set Roof Trusses 2.00d 70 Mon 9/29/12 Tue 9/30/12
        72 7.9 – Frame Roof 7.00d 71 Wed 10/1/12 Thu 10/9/12
        73 7.10 – Install Roof Plywood 5.00d 72 Fri 10/10/12 Thu 10/16/12
        74 7.11 – Install Windows & Doors 2.00d 73,111 Wed 10/22/12 Thu 10/23/12
        75 7.12 – Frame Basement 3.00d 72,81 Fri 10/10/12 Tue 10/14/12
        76 7.13 – Frame Basement Bulkheads 2.00d 75,87,93 Thu 11/6/12 Fri 11/7/12
        77 8 Concrete Slabs 8.00d . Thu 9/18/12 Mon 9/29/12
        78 8.1 – Basement Slab Preparation 2.00d 65,91 Thu 9/18/12 Fri 9/19/12
        79 8.2 – Termite Treatment Basment Slab 1.00d 78 Mon 9/22/12 Mon 9/22/12
        80 8.3 – Slab Inspection 1.00d 79 Tue 9/23/12 Tue 9/23/12
        81 8.4 – Pour Basement Slab 1.00d 80 Wed 9/24/12 Wed 9/24/12
        82 8.5 – Prep Garage Slab 1.00d 81 Thu 9/25/12 Thu 9/25/12
        83 8.6 – Termite Treatment Garage Slab 1.00d 82 Fri 9/26/12 Fri 9/26/12
        84 8.7 – Pour Garage Slab 1.00d 83 Mon 9/29/12 Mon 9/29/12
        85 9 H.V.A.C. 17.00d . Fri 10/10/12 Mon 11/3/12
        86 9.1 – HVAC Layout & Measure 1.00d 72 Fri 10/10/12 Fri 10/10/12
        87 9.2 – HVAC Rough-in 5.00d 86,111 Wed 10/22/12 Tue 10/28/12
        88 9.3 – HVAC Set Indoor Units 2.00d 81,87 Wed 10/29/12 Thu 10/30/12
        89 9.4 – HVAC Temporary Heat 2.00d 88 Fri 10/31/12 Mon 11/3/12
        90 10 Plumbing Rough-in 37.00d . Tue 9/16/12 Wed 11/5/12
        91 10.1 – Plumbing Sub-slab 2.00d 65 Tue 9/16/12 Wed 9/17/12
        92 10.2 – Plumbing Layout 1.00d 91,87 Wed 10/29/12 Wed 10/29/12
        93 10.3 – Plumbing rough-in 5.00d 92 Thu 10/30/12 Wed 11/5/12
        94 11 County Plumbing Sub-slab Inspection 0.00d 91 Wed 9/17/12 Wed 9/17/12
        95 12 County Plumbing Rough-in Inspection 0.00d 93 Wed 11/5/12 Wed 11/5/12
        96 13 Electric Rough-in 19.00d . Fri 10/24/12 Wed 11/19/12
        97 13.1 – Set Electric Boxes 2.00d 74 Fri 10/24/12 Mon 10/27/12
        98 13.2 – Install Electric Service Panel 2.00d 97 Tue 10/28/12 Wed 10/29/12
        99 13.3 – Electrical Walk-through 1.00d 98 Thu 10/30/12 Thu 10/30/12
        100 13.4 – Electrical Rough-wire 14.00d 99 Fri 10/31/12 Wed 11/19/12
        101 14 Specialty Rough-ins 5.00d . Thu 11/20/12 Wed 11/26/12
        102 14.1 – Central Vacuum Rough-in 5.00d 100 Thu 11/20/12 Wed 11/26/12
        103 14.2 – Alarm System Rough-in 5.00d 100 Thu 11/20/12 Wed 11/26/12
        104 14.3 – Telephone System Rough-in 5.00d 100 Thu 11/20/12 Wed 11/26/12
        105 14.4 – Television System Rough-in 5.00d 100 Thu 11/20/12 Wed 11/26/12
        106 14.5 – Audio Visual Rough-in 5.00d 100 Thu 11/20/12 Wed 11/26/12
        107 15 County Electrical inspection 0.00d 96,101 Wed 11/26/12 Wed 11/26/12
        108 16 Draw #5 (Rough-ins complete) 0.00d 95,107 Wed 11/26/12 Wed 11/26/12
        109 17 County Framing Inspection 0.00d 95FS+1d,107FS+1d Thu 11/27/12 Thu 11/27/12
        110 18 Roofing 68.00d . Fri 10/17/12 Tue 1/20/13
        111 18.1 – Roofing Paper Installed 3.00d 73 Fri 10/17/12 Tue 10/21/12
        112 18.2 – Draw #4 (Roof, windows, doors) 0.00d 74,111 Thu 10/23/12 Thu 10/23/12
        113 18.3 – Stock Roof Shingles 1.00d 112 Fri 10/24/12 Fri 10/24/12
        114 18.4 – Install Roof Shingles 7.00d 113,119 Mon 1/12/13 Tue 1/20/13
        115 19 Exterior Finishes 56.00d . Fri 10/24/12 Fri 1/9/13
        116 19.1 – Siding 3.00d 74 Fri 10/24/12 Tue 10/28/12
        117 19.2 – Exterior Trim 7.00d 116 Wed 10/29/12 Thu 11/6/12
        118 19.3 – Brick Arch Forms 1.00d 117 Fri 11/7/12 Fri 11/7/12
        119 19.4 – Brick Veneer 45.00d 118 Mon 11/10/12 Fri 1/9/13
        120 20 Insulation 5.00d . Fri 11/28/12 Thu 12/4/12
        121 20.1 – Caulk & Air Seal 1.00d 109 Fri 11/28/12 Fri 11/28/12
        122 20.2 – Draft & Fire Stop 1.00d 121 Mon 12/1/12 Mon 12/1/12
        123 20.3 – Batt Insulation 3.00d 121,122 Tue 12/2/12 Thu 12/4/12
        124 21 County Insulation Inspection 0.00d 123,120 Thu 12/4/12 Thu 12/4/12
        125 22 BGE Energy Wise Inspection 0.00d 124 Thu 12/4/12 Thu 12/4/12
        126 23 Drywall 26.00d . Fri 12/5/12 Fri 1/9/13
        127 23.1 – Stock Drywall 1.00d 124 Fri 12/5/12 Fri 12/5/12
        128 23.2 – Hang Drywall 5.00d 127 Mon 12/8/12 Fri 12/12/12
        129 23.3 – Remove Scrap Drywall 1.00d 128 Mon 12/15/12 Mon 12/15/12
        130 23.4 – Tape and Finish Drywall 15.00d 128,129 Tue 12/16/12 Mon 1/5/13
        131 23.5 – Sand Drywall 1.00d 130 Tue 1/6/13 Tue 1/6/13
        132 23.6 – Drywall Point-up 3.00d 131 Wed 1/7/13 Fri 1/9/13
        133 24 Draw #6 (Insulation & drywall applied) 0.00d 128,126 Fri 1/9/13 Fri 1/9/13
        134 25 Floor Finishes 76.00d . Tue 1/13/13 Tue 4/28/13
        135 25.1 – Ceramic Tile 15.00d 142 Tue 1/13/13 Mon 2/2/13
        136 25.2 – Install Hardwood Floor 4.00d 146 Fri 3/27/13 Wed 4/1/13
        137 25.3 – Sand, Stain, Seal Hardwood 5.00d 196 Thu 4/16/13 Wed 4/22/13
        138 25.4 – Install Carpet 4.00d 137 Thu 4/23/13 Tue 4/28/13
        139 25.5 – Final Coat Hardwood 2.00d 196 Thu 4/16/13 Fri 4/17/13
        140 26 Paint 59.00d . Wed 1/7/13 Mon 3/30/13
        141 26.1 – Prep Drywall for Prime Coat 2.00d 131 Wed 1/7/13 Thu 1/8/13
        142 26.2 – Prime Paint Drywall 2.00d 141 Fri 1/9/13 Mon 1/12/13
        143 26.3 – Prep Trim for Prime Coat 2.00d 142,152 Wed 1/21/13 Thu 1/22/13
        144 26.4 – Prime Trim 2.00d 143 Fri 1/23/13 Mon 1/26/13
        145 26.5 – Finish Coat Trim 10.00d 144,156 Mon 2/23/13 Fri 3/6/13
        146 26.6 – Finish Coat Drywall 14.00d 145,132 Mon 3/9/13 Thu 3/26/13
        147 26.7 – Caulk Exterior Windows & Doors 1.00d 146,117 Fri 3/27/13 Fri 3/27/13
        148 26.8 – Finish Coat Exterior Trim & Siding 1.00d 147 Mon 3/30/13 Mon 3/30/13
        149 27 Draw #7 (Roofing, masonry, siding) 0.00d 114,157 Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        150 28 Interior Trim 29.00d . Tue 1/13/13 Fri 2/20/13
        151 28.1 – Interior Trim Delivery 1.00d 142 Tue 1/13/13 Tue 1/13/13
        152 28.2 – Install Interior Doors 5.00d 151 Wed 1/14/13 Tue 1/20/13
        153 28.3 – Install Interior Trim 15.00d 152 Wed 1/21/13 Tue 2/10/13
        154 28.4 – Install Cabinetry 5.00d 153 Wed 2/11/13 Tue 2/17/13
        155 28.5 – Install Appliances 1.00d 154 Wed 2/18/13 Wed 2/18/13
        156 28.6 – 1st Punch-out Interior Trim 2.00d 155,144 Thu 2/19/13 Fri 2/20/13
        157 29 H.V.A.C. Trim 1.00d 140 Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        158 29.1 – Install Grills & Registers for Paint 1.00d 131 Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        159 29.2 – Set Outdoor Units 1.00d 165 Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        160 30 Plumbing Trim 5.00d . Thu 4/2/13 Wed 4/8/13
        161 30.1 – Set Fixtures 4.00d 135,136,146,154 Thu 4/2/13 Tue 4/7/13
        162 30.2 – Connect Appliances 1.00d 161 Wed 4/8/13 Wed 4/8/13
        163 31 County Final Plumbing Inspection 0.00d 160 Wed 4/8/13 Wed 4/8/13
        164 32 Exterior Landscaping 32.00d . Mon 1/12/13 Tue 2/24/13
        165 32.1 – Rough Final Grade 1.00d 119 Mon 1/12/13 Mon 1/12/13
        166 32.2 – Patios 7.00d 165,119 Tue 1/13/13 Wed 1/21/13
        167 32.3 – Porches 5.00d 166,119 Thu 1/22/13 Wed 1/28/13
        168 32.4 – Sidewalks 7.00d 167,119 Thu 1/29/13 Fri 2/6/13
        169 32.5 – Decks 7.00d 168,119 Mon 2/9/13 Tue 2/17/13
        170 32.6 – Driveways 2.00d 165,169 Wed 2/18/13 Thu 2/19/13
        171 32.7 – Final Grade and Seed 3.00d 170,166,167,168 Fri 2/20/13 Tue 2/24/13
        172 33 Electrical Final Trim 160.00d . Thu 6/5/12 Wed 1/14/13
        173 33.1 – Switch & Plug 2.00d 142,100 Tue 1/13/13 Wed 1/14/13
        174 33.2 – Install Fixtures 1.00d . Thu 6/5/12 Thu 6/5/12
        175 33.3 – Connect Appliances 1.00d . Thu 6/5/12 Thu 6/5/12
        176 34 Hardware 12.00d . Fri 3/27/13 Mon 4/13/13
        177 34.1 – Door Hardware 2.00d 145,146 Fri 3/27/13 Mon 3/30/13
        178 34.2 – Bath Hardware 2.00d 145,146 Fri 3/27/13 Mon 3/30/13
        179 34.3 – Mirrors 5.00d 178 Tue 3/31/13 Mon 4/6/13
        180 34.4 – Shower Doors 10.00d 178 Tue 3/31/13 Mon 4/13/13
        181 35 Draw #8 (Prime paint, cabinets, doors) 0.00d 142,152,154 Tue 2/17/13 Tue 2/17/13
        182 36 Draw #9 (Trim, furnace, hrdwd, tile, rails) 0.00d 153,181 Tue 2/17/13 Tue 2/17/13
        183 37 Draw #10 (Plumbing & elec. trim, final paint) 0.00d 146,182 Thu 3/26/13 Thu 3/26/13
        184 38 Final Building Inspection 0.00d 183 Thu 3/26/13 Thu 3/26/13
        185 39 Use & Occupancy Certificate 0.00d 184FS+3d Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        186 40 First Walk-thru 0.00d 185 Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        187 41 Draw #11 (Final payment per contract) 0.00d 186 Tue 3/31/13 Tue 3/31/13
        188 42 Final Punch-out 9.00d . Wed 4/1/13 Mon 4/13/13
        189 42.1 – Punch Out Walk-thru List 4.00d 186 Wed 4/1/13 Mon 4/6/13
        190 42.2 – Trim and Adjust Doors 2.00d 184,189 Tue 4/7/13 Wed 4/8/13
        191 42.3 – Paint Touch-up 3.00d 190 Thu 4/9/13 Mon 4/13/13
        192 43 Cleaning 14.00d . Fri 3/27/13 Wed 4/15/13
        193 43.1 – Windows 3.00d 145,146 Fri 3/27/13 Tue 3/31/13
        194 43.2 – Rough Clean 3.00d 193 Wed 4/1/13 Fri 4/3/13
        195 43.3 – Final Clean 2.00d 176,188 Tue 4/14/13 Wed 4/15/13
        196 44 Final Walk-through 0.00d 187,188,192 Wed 4/15/13 Wed 4/15/13
        197 45 Move-in 0.00d 196FS+1d Thu 4/16/13 Thu 4/16/13

        • vto 21.1.1.1

          Well that was a waste of time.

          You do realise that along with consent without construction there is also construction without consent

          • fisiani 21.1.1.1.1

            You are not seriously claiming that Labour wants to build unconsented slums???????

            • vto 21.1.1.1.1.1

              lordy it is slow work engaging with some on here.. or maybe they are intentionally pig-headed. talking construction works carried out each year in the construction sector.

              here is a more simple question for you – if in the recent past (2007) there were 30,000 homes built per year and now there are 10,000 homes built per year, how many does that mean there is spare capacity for?

            • mike e 21.1.1.1.1.2

              Fishy anal thats what happened under National remember $30 to $40 billion dollars of leaky homes with consent you idiot!

        • One Tāne Huna 21.1.1.2

          Thirty thousand dwellings a year, eh? Busy little builders.

        • Puddleglum 21.1.1.3

          Isn’t that a project schedule for a 6,000 sq foot double story house (with decking on first and second floors) in Maryland (presumably USA?)?

          What does this have to do with a 90 sq m, prefabricated dwelling in New Zealand? 

          • One Tāne Huna 21.1.1.3.1

            “What does this have to do with…?”

            It’s a straw to clutch at while Fisi drowns in four inches of water.

          • felix 21.1.1.3.2

            It’s also a schedule for ONE HOUSE, so all the consents and plans and reviews and revisions and copies and finance and bids and tenders and contracts and subcontracts and land sale agreements etc etc occur simultaneously for large numbers of homes.

            fisi is still trying to imagine each house being finished before the next is begun.

        • prism 21.1.1.4

          fisiani
          That is an exhaustive (exhausting) list. Would it happen that somewhere in there was a control that stops leaky, fungusy housing being erected. If you can’t trust your builder to know what all this is about, you’re stuffed as the average joe wouldn’t cope.

    • r0b 21.2

      In other news, about 60,000 babies are born in NZ every year year. Somewhere out there a woman is having a baby every 10 minutes! Impossible!

      • infused 21.2.1

        and there’s what, 2 million women, yeah, what are the chances?

        How many builders do we have again?

        • r0b 21.2.1.1

          The question isn’t how many builders we have, it is how many we can ramp up over 10 years. Lots of new jobs. Two birds with one stone. Very clever policy. Eh?

          • BM 21.2.1.1.1

            Kiwi build will create plenty of hammer hands and labourers, no tradesmen though.

            • Te Reo Putake 21.2.1.1.1.1

              Electricians, plumbers and builders. All tradesmen. All needed before construction is complete.

              • BM

                Apart from a couple to oversee and sign off work, you don’t need tradesmen to knock up up the pre fabs.

                What Labour seems to be proposing is factory work not building work, also the amount of money labour has put aside for each house costs are going to be cut to the bone == unskilled labour.

                • Te Reo Putake

                  Yes you do need tradesmen. You need electricians, plumbers and builders. They will be assisted by hammer hands and labourers, but the law requires tradesmen to oversee and sign off the work. That sysem applies to prefab houses being built now, and it’s not going to change under this scheme. What will change is the country’s housing stock, which will go up and the country’s unemployment, which will go down.

                  Oh, and I expect the levels of unionisation will improve in the industry too, which will be good for the wage rates of workers in construction everywhere in the industry.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  And yet I know four people who just got jobs in a pre-fab place as apprentice builders.

                  • BM

                    Building pre -fabs doesn’t equal qualified tradesmen.
                    A qualified chippie should at the end of his/ her five year apprenticeship be able to set out and construct a one story home and two story home from scratch using brick cladding, timber cladding, solid plaster,etc
                    Also he/she should be able to construct these houses on level and sloping ground.
                    How is an apprentice going to achieve these skills building 90m2 boxes in a factory?

                    No offence but these guys aren’t going to be qualified builders at the end of their apprenticeships.
                    I’d certainly wouldn’t want them building a house for me.

                    It’s almost the equivalent of creating Hello World and then calling yourself a software developer.

                    • felix

                      Totally agree – a lot of it will be factory-based work which will at best train hammerhands.

                      Problem?

                    • BM

                      Yeah I have a couple.

                      1. Labour saying that there’s 2000 apprenticeship opportunities, which isn’t quite correct.

                      2.If the government is going to build houses it should be state houses, increase the state house building program and train apprentices within that.The opportunities exists to build a wide variety of houses on all types sections so you will end up with really qualified tradesmen/women.
                      We desperately need to transfer the information from the older tradesmen to the younger guys before they retire, government run apprenticeships offer a great environment for learning because you can take a bit longer and get it right

                      3. Building more state houses would actually take the heat out of the property market by providing cheaper rents, this would force down the price of property and provide opportunities for younger people to purchase their first homes.

                      Build state houses, not private houses.

                    • felix

                      I agree with all of that.

                      I’m not particularly enamored of this policy when compared to the state house option, but it’s the best thing on the table so far.

                      Two options, neither of them ideal. Do nothing? Or build some much needed homes and provide some much needed jobs?

                    • BM

                      Definitely go the state house option and in all honesty it’s some times best to do nothing.

                      For example in stock and currency trading there’s 3 positions
                      1.Long
                      2.Short
                      3.On the sidelines.

                      You only have a certain pool of money to work with so you want to protect it, throwing it away on a long shot isn’t a particularly wise strategy.

                      With Kiwibuild, Labour has a bit of a problem in that they’ve shown every one their cards, they can’t change direction without looking totally incompetent.

                      Labour will get torn to shreds regarding this policy leading up to the election especially if Shearer is the one doing the selling.

                    • mike e

                      Blind monetarist what BS you talk prefabs still need carpenters electricians plumbers Roofers etc!

                    • BM

                      Fuck, you’re an idiot.
                      Not sure why I’m even replying.

                    • felix

                      That’s where we differ BM, I don’t see jobs and homes as a “long shot” – they’re a bloody necessity.

                      You can make any position seem reasonable by talking about it in the abstract, but this isn’t currency trading.

                      It’s people’s lives.

                      ps I reckon anything they put up will get them torn to shreds if Shearer is fronting it…

                • mike e

                  Blind Monetarist when you don’t have an argument you give up I work in the building industry,with someone who worked in a factory producing 32 hoses a week.
                  So your argument is very week!

          • infused 21.2.1.1.2

            Then what happens when we are finished? Same spot.

        • vto 21.2.1.2

          Enough builders to build 30,000 homes every year, like was done during the last boom.

          Now we are building 10,000 per year.

          infused, starter for ten, what does 30,000 minus 10,000 equal? And how does that answer relate to Labour’s proposal?

          • infused 21.2.1.2.1

            It doesn’t relate or answer anything.

            “Our target is to ramp up to building 10,000 houses a year by the end of our first term (or as
            swiftly as the availability of skilled labour allows), and to continue at this level for around ten
            years.”

            ‘ramp up’ to 10,000 additional houses per year over 3 years with a nice little out clause.

            • vto 21.2.1.2.1.1

              i give up

              • infused

                you never started. There’s not enough builders, time, space or money. The entire policy is a load a bs.

                Wait and see.

                • vto

                  ffs,,, ” There’s not enough builders, time, space or money”

                  Five years ago there were enough builders, time and space and money to build 30,000 homes every year.

                  Now there are only 10,000 homes being built every year (the lowest since about the early 70s actually).

                  Two questions;

                  1. what does 30,000 minus 10,000 equal?
                  2. how many homes does this policy want to build each year?

                  Now, I give up because I have to go and build a house. Egg

    • Draco T Bastard 21.3

      Mea culpa my maths was wrong…

      We already knew that and proved it the other day and you’re still talking out your arse as per normal.

      48 x 40 x 60 = 115,200 minutes available

      and then multiply that by the thousands of people we have available to do the work. You know, like the 3334 (that’s 384,076,800 minutes just in case you’re too stupid to use a calculator) builders that it would take to build those ten thousand houses in one year.

      There really is no point in engaging you as you’re far too stupid to know WTF we’re talking about.

  21. vto 22

    It is noted that fisiani and infused and various other naysayers constantly raise the issue of capacity in New Zealand to build an extra 10,000 homes per year.

    It is further noted that fisiani and infused abd other naysayers have refused to answer when it is explained to them that five years ago NZ built 30,000 homes per year and now builds only 10,000 homes per year (lowest since early 70s as I recall, and another indictiment on Key’s brighter future), leaving capacity for an additional 20,000 homes per year.

    Why would they avoid this point do you think? And what implications are there for their lack of honesty on this? I know we are not supposed to make assumptions when it appears a commenter runs for cover but ffs it is blatant on this thread and destroys what should be a robust and honest debate. So strike me down.

  22. Herodotus 23

    Re land cost currently you could buy a bulk site for$400/m2 for 7000m that would allow 50 dwellings problem is that council contributions of $10-$20 kper lot water connection $8k so we aproach $100k for land and that is a high density situation apartment or attached housing , approx 1 year to get planning and resource consenting then to build

    • mike e 23.1

      Hero it could be done quite easily by but would not take off straight away ! this govt has already changed the resource consent and planning times! by the time CH CH rebuild is winding down Auckland will be ready to take off!
      What we need is a wide ranging CGT to stabilize house prices!
      Sections would not be so much of a cost with low rise apartments being built!

      • Herodotus 23.1.1

        From the time a coy has identified a site it takes time to complete due diligence. Review planning requirements, design a plan, working drawings etc. Then you have to apply for a sub division consent that aligns where the individual titles are to the high density block, construct and obtain titles (get the building and title process wrong then there could be major issues later on as your house may not be fully on your land !!) Also my figures above are GST exclusive. Every time council has a question or requires clarification the clock stops in regard to the time a consent is to take and the KPI’s that council use to monitor this type of process.
        And this costing is based on the lowest price I have come across in Auckland !!!

  23. xtasy 24

    This thread of comments appears to have ended at about the 6 pm news. No surprise, as the news on ONE and 3News revealed what the market situation is re section costs in Auckland, where 2 thirds of Labour’s 100,000 new “homes” are supposed to be built over 10 years. An average section alone costs about as much as what Labour want to offer the whole properties for, for first time buyers.

    So maybe bring your tent, once the section has been acquired!

    Then Newlands, quoted as an expert in property, stated that the figures presented by Labour would NEVER stack up. It is impossible to build those homes at such costs over 10 years.

    Also was there an item on both news showing how Goff, Shearer and Sio were going around new developments in South Auckland and meeting new home owners there. One gave them his dim view, and Shearer, asked about section prices in Auckland, had no real answer (as usual).

    It was followed by the comments that average sections in Auckland cost about 300 k, and that is just the average, without a home on it.

    Go onto Trade Me Property, the Real Estate websites of the following perhaps:
    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAttributeSearchResults.aspx
    http://www.realestate.co.nz/residential/search/districts/223/property_types/9/page2

    Then you can see yourselves, what is out of control in Auckland.

    This whole country is out of control under this government, and sadly in some ways NZ has mismanaged for the last 2 or so decades, selling off to overseas investors, having revolving migration, where disillusioned locals move to Australia and get placed by hopeful, desperate, new migrants from other places, forced to work for often low pay and getting sold a shit dream of a future, that does not exist here.

    NZ is STUFFED. And Labour is DEAD, as they have not even got the advisors they need to present sensible policies anymore.

    Shearer is a total embarrassment now, and wait until he will get his lashing in Parliament’s Question Time tomorrow, the Nats and Key just love it!

    A large scale state housing program is needed, not this silly plan Shearer now sells to dreamers and ignorant as his great plan and his great speech. Also stiff controls to stop overseas property buying in housing here, same as nationalization of some strategic lands and assets, and much more will be needed.

    This IDIOT Labour as caucus elected is a total liability as he is the laughing stock of any intelligent person on the LEFT and even RIGHT now!

    Step down Shearer, you are useless! An new party on the Left is needed, starting from scratch, to incorporate also Mana and the Greens, nothing else will get us anywhere.

    • Draco T Bastard 24.1

      +1

      To be honest, the more I read about this plan of Labours the more I hate it. It really is just a plan to get people borrowing more so as to provide an artificial boost to growth.

      • Colonial Viper 24.1.1

        Get middle class people borrowing more and then handing the cash over to corporate outfits like Fletchers. Great.

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    Ordinarily, when the coup of a party leader is underway, one of two things happens. Either the incumbent simply walks, having seen the writing on the wall, or attempts to stare down their opposition in a closed room. Someone walks out of...
    Occasionally erudite | 30-09
  • Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech
    On 8th October, Dr Sean Simpson from Lanzatech will be speaking at the University of Auckland, on the subject of “Climate-friendly fuel: A challenge of scale and time”.  This is part of the Energy Centre’s Energy Matters lecture series. Sean...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #36 On the Beat
    36: On the Beat What if we had more cops on the beat? Isn’t it time the New Zealand Police started to recognise the changes happening in urban New Zealand? In our central cities and busiest town centres and main...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Bonus growth for SaaS exporters
    The currency fall has a wonderful effect for exporters, especially those who have most of their costs back here in New Zealand. As I write this, the NZD versus the USD has fallen about 10% since earlier this year. As an...
    Lance Wiggs | 30-09
  • Against returning to Iraq
    Last week the US announced a new bombing campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria. Its hard to see how bombing will do any good (except for US defence contractors), and easy to see how it will cause blowback. To...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • Speaker: An Open Letter To David Cunliffe
    Dear David,I want to first congratulate you on the campaign you ran. You gave it your all, and did well in the debates. I was deeply disappointed in the result that Labour got on September 20th - but I’m sure...
    Public Address | 30-09
  • Long run or short season for David Cunliffe?
    When you’ve read this short post have a look at the interview below with David Cunliffe on last night’s Campbell Live .  But first,  if you haven’t done so already, please  read my previous post on the ex Labour leader, titled...
    Brian Edwards | 30-09
  • Seaworthy ships and stormy seas – PPTA annual conference 2014
    30 September 2014 Pirates, privateers, seaworthy ships and stormy seas all featured in PPTA president Angela Roberts' nautically themed opening speech to the association's annual conference this morning. Describing the political context PPTA ventures out into as "often stormy and...
    PPTA | 30-09
  • Key admits exiling people without trial
    Back in February, we learned that John Key had responded to the "threat" of people travelling to Syria to participate in its civil war by cancelling their passports. This was done without any sort of due process or review, let...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • Reflections on Melbourne and Sydney
    2014 was an auspicious year. Whether by cosmic alignment or fickle chance, Easter Monday and Anzac Day fell in the same week, and I was able to shoot off to Melbourne and Sydney for ten days with only three days...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • The “Pacific solution” devolves into rape and child abuse
    Australia's "Pacific solution" of imprisoning refugees in remote gulags in an effort to pschologically torture them into going home has turned into a catalogue of horrors: neglect, beatings and rapes, torture, and murder. And now they've got a new one:...
    No Right Turn | 29-09
  • The leadership characteristic that shall not be named
    David Cunliffe formally resigns today, setting up a head-to-head battle between him and Grant Robertson, although there’s still a chance that David Shearer, Andrew Little and/or Stuart Nash might throw their hat(s) into the ring. As the Labour MPs arrived for...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The leadership characteristic that shall not be named
    ...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Th Austerity Disaster and its impact – Lessons for New Zealand? (Fro...
    Europe’s Austerity Disaster29/09/2014 by Joseph StiglitzJoseph Stiglitz“If the facts don’t fit the theory, change the theory,” goes the old adage. But too often it is easier to keep the theory and change the facts – or so German Chancellor Angela...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • The Damage Fallacies of Neo-Liberal economics cause
    The on-going and recent scandals (Judith Collins & Oravida, Maurice Williamson & Donghua Lui, John Key & Dirty Politics....)  in New Zealand that have swirled around the neo-liberal National Party government of Key, supported by the discredited political parties of...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 29-09
  • Changing Leaders Will Not Be Enough
    Trial By Ordeal: The techniques of the Seventeenth Century Witchfinders-General might be preferable to the process Labour has adopted to uncover the reasons for its woeful performance in the 2014 General Election. It's a pity the Party has not allowed...
    Bowalley Road | 29-09
  • Starting a constructive conversation on the future of the Treaty of Waitang...
    To learn more about our upcoming Treaty project click here...
    Gareth’s World | 29-09
  • Gillard on NZ Labour
    I arrived in Australia a month after Tony Abbott had been elected Prime Minister, a week after Bill Shorten had been elected Labor Leader and a month before Kevin Rudd announced his resignation from Parliament. It quickly amazed me how...
    Progress report | 29-09
  • March to #StopDeepSeaOil and #StopStatoil
    There have been amazing and moving scenes in Northland as the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi made its way down from Cape Reinga to stand up for their coast, their way of life and for future generations. And they are not...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 29-09
  • Auckland Transport Early October Board Meeting
    The Auckland Transport board meeting is on Thursday and below are sections from the various reports that caught my attention. The first thing I noticed was the huge number of items on the closed agenda with 18 specific items for decision/approval or...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • Labour not “part of the communities we live in”
    Labour leadership aspirant Grant Robertson told a blunt truism to Kathryn Ryan on Radio New Zealand the Monday after the election. “Politics has to be about more than elections,” he said. “It has to about being part of the communities...
    Colin James | 29-09
  • The mystifying rise of Jacinda Ardern
    As Labour’s leadership debacle lurches nowhere fast, the only winner thus far appears to be Jacinda Ardern. A One News poll (or what One News sometimes likes to call a poll, despite it being a self-selecting online survey. Please, just leave the...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The mystifying rise of Jacinda Ardern
    As Labour’s leadership debacle lurches nowhere fast, the only winner thus far appears to be Jacinda Ardern. A One News poll (or what One News sometimes likes to call a poll, despite it being a self-selecting online survey. Please, just leave the...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • “Unless you can perform miracles, it’s time to go David”
    To be honest, I haven’t really had time to keep up with the volumes that has already been written regarding the (current lack of) leadership of the New Zealand Labour Party. One piece that has however caught my eye is...
    Progress report | 29-09
  • How sustainable is New Zealand?
    Behavioural economics is not a complete theory but it demonstrates that we are not the economic rational being usually assumed in economics theory. One of the most troubling divergences is that we make time-inconsistent decisions so our short run choices...
    Pundit | 29-09
  • The Labour leadership meltdown continues
    Over the weekend, I road tripped it down to Wellington, where I had a beer with a pollster, briefly checked on what announcement Cunliffe had made mid-Saturday afternoon, and then proceeded to ignore politics. Fine wine and convivial company was far...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • The Labour leadership meltdown continues
    Over the weekend, I road tripped it down to Wellington, where I had a beer with a pollster, briefly checked on what announcement Cunliffe had made mid-Saturday afternoon, and then proceeded to ignore politics. Fine wine and convivial company was far...
    Occasionally erudite | 29-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the farcical elevation of David Seymour
    With the election won, it’s time to find jobs for the boy. David Seymour is the Act Party’s latest scrounger to be rewarded by the National Party, and not only with a seat in Parliament. This time around, a couple...
    Gordon Campbell | 29-09
  • Bike to the Future
    Bike to the Future. 28 September 2014. Photo: Tamara Josephine. The wunderkinds at Generation Zero put on a great event yesterday. Part celebration, part protest, the Bike to the Future event was attended by about 400 (500?) people, including young...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • Peter Williams – Hero of the Week
    There are not many lawyers who I respect. However, that's not the case with Peter Williams, who is clearly one of the good guys.Not only has this highly experienced Queen's Council worked tirelessly to uphold the law, he has also...
    The Jackal | 29-09
  • Carbon News 29/9/14: Key challenged over climate impacts on Pacific islands
    Memo John Key: look Pacific Island leaders in the eye The Government is being challenged to invite the leaders of the Marshall Islands, Tuvalu and Kiribati to come and tell Parliament what they think of New Zealand’s climate change policies....
    Hot Topic | 29-09
  • Is John Key about to send the NZ SAS into Iraq?
     Is John Key about to send the NZ SAS into Iraq?If so, will they be better equipped than they were in Afghanistan? In the following clip we see John Key reassuring  the nation after five New Zealand soldiers were killed...
    Arch Rival | 29-09
  • The question will only go away if we let it – please like & share thi...
    After only a few years in parliament, a relative newcomer to politics, John Philip Key became the leader of the National party of New Zealand.  He was subsequently elected the Prime Minister of New Zealand on 8 November 2008 and...
    Politically Corrected | 29-09
  • Peer review of an anti-fluoride “peer review”
    In  Anti-fluoride activists define kangaroo court as “independent” I promised to review the anti-fluoridationist “International Peer Review.” This is Anti-fluoride  critique of the recent review Health Effects of Water Fluoridation: a Review of the Scientific Evidence produced by the Royal Society of NZ together with the Office...
    Open Parachute | 29-09
  • Stuart’s 100 #35 A Corner to Remeber
    35: A Corner to Remember   Flatiron Building c1917 What if a flatiron building could rise on every forgotten corner? Continuing the series on forgotten spaces, the corner site at the bottom of Anzac Avenue where it meets Customs Street...
    Transport Blog | 29-09
  • A model for unaccountability
    National signed its confidence and supply agreement with ACT today. The headline news is that David Seymour get more patronage from National, in the form of being appointed Parliamentary Under Secretary to the Minister of Education and Parliamentary Under Secretary...
    No Right Turn | 29-09
  • Nash equilibrium
    Labour seem to have gotten themselves into this weird position where they have (a) a leadership contest and (b) a long, extensive review of the party and its poor performance, meaning that they’ll either have to wait for the outcome...
    DimPost | 29-09
  • Nash equilibrium
    Labour seem to have gotten themselves into this weird position where they have (a) a leadership contest and (b) a long, extensive review of the party and its poor performance, meaning that they’ll either have to wait for the outcome...
    DimPost | 29-09
  • TEU elections returning officer’s report – national president and vice-...
    National President: The result of the ballot which closed at 5.00pm on Friday 26 September is that Sandra Grey has been elected as National President Te Tumu Whakarae for the 2015 and 2016 term. Vice Presidents: The results of the...
    Tertiary Education Union | 29-09
  • TEU elects Sandra Grey president
    TEU members have voted Dr Sandra Grey to return as their national president for the next two years. Grey, who was previously president during 2011-2012, is a senior lecturer at Victoria University of Wellington in social and public policy. Grey’s...
    Tertiary Education Union | 29-09
  • Labour’s Review: Terms of Reference Agreed
    Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result.  The review will comprise three elements - a review of Labour's 2014 General...
    Labour campaign | 29-09
  • Pissing on the OIA
    So, not only do our police juke the stats; they also deliberately flout the OIA to cover up evidence of their crime:A damning internal police document has emerged that appears to show senior officers discussed not releasing embarrassing details about...
    No Right Turn | 29-09
  • New Fisk
    It’s perfectly reasonable to negotiate with villains like Isis, so why don’t we do it and save some lives?...
    No Right Turn | 28-09
  • May the best candidate win
    Over the weekend, David Cunliffe bowed to the inevitable and resigned to seek a new mandate from his party. Good. After such an election loss, its appropriate that a party leader accepts responsibility. At the same time, they may still...
    No Right Turn | 28-09
  • The importance of housing choices in cities
    Good cities should provide choices to their inhabitants. Any big (or small!) city is composed of a variety of people with various preferences, needs, and budgets. Look around you: Aucklanders are a bloody diverse bunch, and we’re getting more so...
    Transport Blog | 28-09
  • President of Kiribati visits the Arctic
    In September 2014 Anote Tong, President of the Pacific Republic of Kiribati, journeyed to the Arctic to see first hand the melting Arctic glaciers that are affecting his drowning Pacific paradise.Sea levels are rising faster in the Central-West Pacific than...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 28-09
  • Letter to the editor – “An Alarmed World” according to The Listener
    . . This recent editorial from”The Listener”  is not one I ever thought I’d see… . . My response… . from: Frank Macskasy <fmacskasy@gmail.com> to: Listener <letters@listener.co.nz> date: Mon, Sep 29, 2014 subject: Letter to the Editor . The editor...
    Frankly Speaking | 28-09
  • Updated poll of polls, now with dubious new ‘election’ datapoint
    ...
    DimPost | 28-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
    ...
    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Reptile Room
    I stress, at the outset, that I’ve got nothing against reptiles. Some of my best friends are reptiles. Some say I am one, but I’m not really. I just emulate that ability to sit, stationary for hours in court, eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • The success of right-wing counter messaging in the election
    One of the reasons National won the election was due to its success in counter messaging – and the way so many media commentators ran with th the right-wing spin. Here are some examples. Dirty Politics The original message was...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New Flag competition
    New Flag competition...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • No time for self-pity
    After 23 meetings across the largest non-Maori electorate in the country – almost all of which went fantastically, approx 4,500km on the odometer, positive MSM and social media coverage, and polling well, I admit my team and I headed to...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • The 30 second speech that could have saved the Moment of Truth
    As the dust settles and we struggle to understand what the bloody hell happened on Saturday, many point to Kim’s failure at the Moment of Truth to present his evidence. I think that Kim was poorly advised and that politics requires a...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • Internet MANA and the 2014 election
    It was always going to be a hard task for Hone Harawira to hold onto his Te Tai Tokerau seat when the political establishment united in a coalition to defeat him and the chance for Internet MANA to bring more...
    The Daily Blog | 21-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Women’s group heartened by response to promo girls
    The National Council of Women of New Zealand is heartened by the strong response to the inappropriate use of bikini-clad girls at a technology expo....
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet
    Lisa Owen interviews Jim Anderton, Helen Kelly and Selwyn Pellet ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto
    Lisa Owen interviews Mark Boyd, Jonathan Milne and John Minto ___________________________________________ The Nation on TV3, 9.30am Saturdays and 10am Sundays. Check us out online , on Facebook or on Twitter . Tell us what you think at thenation@mediaworks.co.nz or text...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Prime Time on Labour
    Mike Smith - former General Secretary of the NZ Labour Party Jim McAloon, Assoc Prof, Victoria University of Wellington History Department (currently writing official history of the Labour Party) Rob Salmond, consultant to Labour Leader's office and...
    Scoop politics | 27-09
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 27 & Sunday 28 September 2014
    Saturday 27 September 2014 | One million people voted for National in last week’s election. Another million didn’t vote at all. In Kia Korero Mai this week, Eru Morgan talks to political commentator Henare Kingi about the figures and what...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • On The Nation this weekend: Labour, National, The Media
    This weekend on The Nation… Labour’s had its worst election result in 92 years, so what happens next? We’ll talk to former Labour president Jim Anderton, CTU president Helen Kelly, and tech entrepreneur and past donor Selwyn Pellett about the...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Red Cross, Pacific leaders prepare for cyclone season
    The New Zealand Red Cross Pacific Advisory Group, met for the first time this week, to develop a disaster response plan for the upcoming Pacific cyclone season, which is forecast to be severe....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Teachers support PM’s call for solutions to child poverty
    NZEI Te Riu Roa is pleased to hear that the Prime Minister is calling for new ideas to address child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • First batch of household protection kits arrives in Liberia
    Kits containing protective gear will equip a network of community-based Ebola care centres nationwide...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dr Paul Hutchison praised for work to reduce child poverty
    The Association of Salaried Medical Specialists (ASMS) has thanked retiring National MP Dr Paul Hutchison for his work to reduce child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Bag snatch hero deserves a medal – McVicar
    The Justice Spokesman for the Conservative Party, Garth McVicar, is calling for the woman known as the bag-snatch hero to be awarded a medal for bravery....
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Police Remembrance Day
    This week, Police staff and others have been wearing the distinctive huia feather-shaped Police Remembrance Pin as they reflect on those who have lost their lives in service to the society they swore to protect. Police Remembrance Day falls on...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Affordable Auckland Attacks Creeping Apartheid
    Affordable Auckland Leader Stephen Berry is disturbed by developments increasing the number of local body regions choosing racially based representation. The Waikato and Bay of Plenty Regional Councils already have Maori wards, while New Plymouth...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Dairy Strategy Proving to be a Disaster
    The intensification of the dairy industry is proving to be a disaster, says SAFE. This comes after the forecast 2015 milk price payout was cut 12% by Fonterra this week. “Last year, the government effectively gave the green light for...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
  • Where Next for the Left?
    26 September 2014 A discussion of the post-election prospects for radicals, facilitated by Fightback. 6pm | Monday 28th September | 19 Tory St [ Facebook event ]...
    Scoop politics | 26-09
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