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The Donghua Liu letter – is that it?

Written By: - Date published: 3:50 pm, June 18th, 2014 - 321 comments
Categories: david cunliffe, election 2014, Politics - Tags:

I have been around at the Mt Albert electorate office over the last 25 years voluntarily helping them out with their balky computer gear many times.

So David Cunliffe is possibly wrong when he said that he dealt with Donghua Liu. A letter has mysteriously appeared at an exquisitely sensitive time. The letter asks for “an estimated period of time in which [Mr Liu] could expect a decision in his case”. There is no expression of support for Mr Liu’s application in the letter. From my knowledge it is the type of form letter that is sent out from electorate offices every day. I’ve seen them in jammed printers and stacked on electorate office desks in piles.

The letter was signed by him back in 2003 – more than 11 years ago. He was a busy backbencher with a large constituency workload. Dozens of similar letters would have been sent each week. The vast majority would have been prepared by his staff, shoved in front of him, and signed. In all likelihood he never met Donghua Liu.

I have been around at least scores of similar immigration interviews happening by staff and no MP in the 1990s and 200os. As far as I could see Helen Clark only ever got involved in immigration cases after they had the information back from exploratory letters to immigration, and when something appeared to be out of order. I don’t imagine the procedures were any different in neighbouring New Lynn.

Electorate MPs always have a great deal of trust in their electorate staff. They really don’t have any choice. They have competently handled thousands of individual constituency cases of which this looks like only one. In all likelihood David never met the guy, and only saw the form letter to sign.

cunliffe form letter to liu

 

What is interesting about this is the sequence of events that just shout that the National researchers found and gave this information to their patsies in the media and blogs.

That is why they have been running this story arc about Liu for the past week or so. David Cunliffe was asked yesterday if he had advocated on behalf of Mr Liu. He said no. I am quite sure that he would have forgotten about this letter which was written more than a decade ago. In any event there is no element of advocacy in it.

You have to admire the ability of the Government to sift through huge amounts of information, find little tidbits, seed questions for the media to ask and then drop information to reinforce a manufactured meme.

Not to mention that Cameron Slater, personal buddy of John Key, has been chortling over this for a month. I’d love to see the timelines of the patsy reporter at the Herald compared to the blabbermouth at Whaleoil.

The problem is that the big issues are being ignored. Perhaps that is the intent.

321 comments on “The Donghua Liu letter – is that it?”

  1. Craig Glen Eden 1

    Excellant post Lyn.

  2. Blue 2

    Yeah, that’s all. Any journalist would recognise that there is no smoking gun here and that they were being used. But the Herald doesn’t have any of those.

  3. Philj 3

    xox
    +1 for Key’s spys.

  4. AmaKiwi 4

    Lyn, I agree 100%.

    The letter only asks for Immigration to try to give an “estimated period of time in which he (Lui) could expect a decision in his case.” Cunliffe did NOT even hint that in his opinion Immigration should approve Lui’s application. He knew that is Immigration’s responsibility and MPs should not interfere.

    What concerns me is how effectively the Right has blown this into a front page issue, with John Armstrong trying to topple Cunliffe as leader and Bill English saying nothing Cunliffe says can be believed.

    I said it yesterday: It’s time we take the gloves off and smear the Right for their lies and corruption.

    How David handles this on tonight’s news will be critical.

  5. Best picture I’ve seen of Judith Collins for a while.

  6. One Anonymous Bloke 6

    Lovely circular argument: Liu looks dodgy because of his alleged crime and association with Maurice Williamson, therefore Cunliffe looks tricky because he misspelled Liu’s name eleven years ago.

    Key of course conflates trust and perception, but he’s good at that.

  7. Wyndham, George 7

    Remember there was a break-in at Cunliffe’s office.
    Is some sicko going through the hard-drive?

    Or is the dept of immigration handing over tit-bits to their political masters’ henchmen?

    • Anne 7.1

      My immediate reaction too Wyndham, George.

      Be assured this is not the first time that Labour Electorate Offices have been broken into and material either stolen or photographed. It happened in the 1990s several times. I came to know the identity of the culprits but because there was no actual evidence available they got away with it.

      Labour cannot just brush it aside as a non-story. If there is any hint of unlawful activity occurring they must demand a police investigation.

      • Derek 7.1.1

        Are you kidding me?? A police investigation for not remembering signing a letter 11 years ago that was pretty standard office fare?

        • lprent 7.1.1.1

          No. If it’d been stolen from an electorate office then it is warranted.

          I actually suspect that someone has been telling reporters what to ask for after toiling through the files at the immigration department. In my view that definitely requires a investigation.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 7.2

      Its from Immigration Service files as can be seen from OIA overlay

      • Anne 7.2.1

        Okay. Have only just seen the letter. How many letters like that does Immigration receive per annum? 50.000? So that’s around 600,000 plus letters someone ‘innocently’ waded through? There’s been a conspiracy of some sort here and its no coincidence it surfaces while Key is in the US playing the statesman role.

        • Lanthanide 7.2.1.1

          It would be reasonable to assume that immigration keep files on particular people. In which case it would be easy to look up Donghua Liu’s case and find anything related to it.

    • Stuart Munro 7.3

      I’d bet on the letter coming from Liu’s side – the Gnats are very cosy there, & buying politicians is business as usual for them. The rules are very different here though – not a game the wise migrant will play.

  8. freedom 8

    Observant people with an interest in reality would have noticed that at no time have any of these ‘journalists’ approached Mr Liu to ask if he has ever met with Mr Cunliffe? It is a simple question surely? Did he meet with Mr Cunliffe as asserted, or merely call the office and talk to a staffer?

    Same for the donations, if reality is really the focus, why not ask Mr Liu what he donated and when?

    (and of course none of this beat up would have anything to do with distracting the public from the scheduled OIA release exposing the foreign policy turn around that had been developed in secret http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10168029/NZ-reviews-peacekeeping )

  9. QMKIWI 9

    You are completely missing the point. No one (who I have read) on the right or left is suggesting that Cunliffe’s letter was in any way inappropriate – he was just doing an MP’s job. The problem here is that Cunliffe has repeatedly denied ever even hearing about Liu, and now it turns out that this is untrue. So assuming he was not lying – which is what he claims – he now just looks inept, and untrustworthy not because of dishonesty but because of incompetence, which is in some ways worse. People like strong leaders, and have contempt for stumbling, sad, inept – read weak – ones. He’s now comes across as a bit of a Jonah on a boat – bad luck, and due to get thrown overboard.The worst part about this is the talk that this attack comes from within Labour itself – making it obvious that this sad party is completely unready to govern. I used to be a Labour voter, but this just shows that having the left in power right now would be a fragmented disaster. Meanwhile, Key consistently says smart, prudent things on Iraq, Team NZ, etc. No wonder the polls are the way they are.

    • lprent 9.1

      The worst part about this is the talk that this attack comes from within Labour itself

      Unlikely. Who inside Labour would have been aware of a form letter written 11 years ago by a electorate staff member in New Lynn?

      This looks to me as being National’s research unit getting illegal access to immigration files and then telling a journalist what to OIA for.

      • Colonial Viper 9.1.1

        Yep it’s almost certainly a parallel construction. Can someone find out how long it took for the OIA to be actioned?

      • Draco T Bastard 9.1.2

        Entities

        A couple of people asked me on twitter why I thought the David Cunliffe/Lui letter story came from the Nats instead of just being good hard reporting by the Herald journalist. I have a couple of reasons, but one of them is this comment on my blog from yesterday from a guy who helps Cameron Slater co-write WhaleOil:

        Within 24 hours the poll are going to be the least of David Cunliffes problems.
        Keep an eye on the herald website, we are about to see pledge card theft relegated to second place as the biggest labour funding scandal.

        Yeah, I think that proves that it came from the PMs office.

        • golf74 9.1.2.1

          Has to be from the Nats. Hits like this often occur when John Key is overseas. I seem to recall a similar attack story breaking when Key was in the UK visiting the Queen at Balmoral.

          • Foreign Waka 9.1.2.1.1

            The fact that there are doubts about the origins of the letter supported by the team labour washing its hands of its leader shows that the last thing NZ needs is a party unable to keep focus and create coherent policy. Imagine this kind of going on when your livelihood is at stake and you need to be sure of a secure stewardship. There are so many issues facing this country and there is no room for those carrier politicians that do not know what real people are experiencing, aka ABC… I would say that Cunliffe has the skills but having 1000 knives in ones back will make the job impossible. In other words, the labour Party (not Cunliffe) has sold the ordinary people of NZ down the river. The same will happen to them come election day.

          • bretto 9.1.2.1.2

            Why on earth would the nats want to get rid of Cunliffe? He’s doing an excellent job for them without any help! I wouldn’t be surprised if JK were one of his secret donors.

            That Shane Jones bloke on the other hand…

        • Anne 9.1.2.2

          Yeah, I think that proves that it came from the PMs office.

          Wonder how long its been sitting in that top drawer.

      • Anthony Bull 9.1.3

        Take your tinfoil hat off – its obvious its the ABC lot behind this.

        The hypocrisy of those running this site is hilarious, and makes you look foolish.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 9.2

      It’s a well constructed narrative, that’s for sure.

      What lets you down is the signature line of the astroturfer: that you used to be a left voter. So, scab, how does it feel to be a scab?

      • QMKIWI 9.2.1
        1. Growing up and changing your perspective doesn’t make you a scab.
        2. What’s an astroturfer?
        • One Anonymous Bloke 9.2.1.1

          By definition, siding with Tories makes you a scab, scab. Unless you’re lying about your previous allegiances that is, in which case you’re a Tory.

          Let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you’re telling the truth.

          I don’t help Google-challenged scabs.

          • QMKIWI 9.2.1.1.1

            Since when is being an informed voter participating in a democracy about picking a side and sticking with it? Or are you one of those people who was for asset sales when Labour was for asset sales, and now you’re against asset sales now that Labour is against asset sales, and no doubt you’ll flip again when directed? Switch your brain on – democracy and critical thought isn’t about ‘allegiance’ to a particular party. You like Google? Try ‘Assenter’.

          • Mozz 9.2.1.1.2

            OAB,

            Grow up, the childish fuckwit. Labour is polling at sub 30% in the last many polls. By your logic, we should all hate that 70% for simply not agreeing.

            Idiot.

        • politikiwi 9.2.1.2

          I wouldn’t bother with replying to these accusations about your character QMKIWI.

          I was once on the receiving end of OAB’s outlandish accusations (of being a right wing troll and a rascist among others). They never made any sense.

          I get the impression the chip on his shoulder is sizable. You can’t reason with that.

          • john 9.2.1.2.1

            One Anonymous Bloke is an abusive stalker, just like Todd/Jackalman was (wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same stalker).

            Whether someone is a domestic abuser, child abuser, internet abuser or street thug, the common denominator is that they’re usually someone totally frustrated with their own lives, and like to take that our on someone else.

            [lprent: Like me for instance? It could just mean that he finds you to be a complete dickhead. Just as I have in the past under different names.

            But there is no particular shame is realising that others think that you are a cretin without an ability to engage in debate. The trick is to learn to work on it…

            Because if you don’t start dealing with replies to your comments that you currently completely ignore, then I will probably class you as a fire-n-forget flame troll and you’ll lose your ability to comment here again.

            Just a warning since you have raised the questions about motivations. ]

            • john 9.2.1.2.1.1

              I’m quite happy to reply to all intelligent questions.

              Juvenile abuse that doesn’t even refer to the topic is not an intelligent question.

              You’re welcome to stick up for abusive stalkers, instead of political debate.

              It just depends if you want your site to be meaningless, or meaningful.

              • Colonial Viper

                Oh fuck off John you boot licker of the 0.1% and all round sanctimonious prat.

                [lprent: That didn’t have a point. ]

              • framu

                “I’m quite happy to reply to all intelligent questions.”

                then why do you do a quick sidestep everytime you cant argue your way out?

        • Draco T Bastard 9.2.1.3

          It’s amazing that so many people seem to think that coming to believe the overly simplified slogans of National = growing up.

    • Tracey 9.3

      really? dishonest is ok. incompetence is not? I guess the right has to run such tripe on account t of their liar in chief. to be a leader you have to lie really well not get caught or when caught lie again to make it better. fucking boggles the mind.

      slater getting payback for the minister for oravida?

    • ianmac 9.4

      The problem here is that Cunliffe has repeatedly denied ever even hearing about Liu, and now it turns out that this is untrue.
      No its not Qmkiwi. You should get a job at the Herald so you can continue to distort and misrepresent the true story.

    • Colonial Viper 9.5

      Meanwhile, Key consistently says smart, prudent things on Iraq, Team NZ, etc.

      Honestly, what the fuck does Mr Key know about Iraq and sending our boys there to die for someone elses screwed up imperial adventure?

      • ghostwhowalksnz 9.5.1

        Smart prudent things by Mr Key ??

        Not when he was in China, and declared war on North Korea

      • QMKIWI 9.5.2

        He said we’re NOT sending troops. That’s the smart, prudent thing to do.

        • Foreign Waka 9.5.2.1

          This is about sunni and shiite waring and it was pretty clear right from the start. Meanwhile Iran has cooperated with Britain and their embassy is getting the go ahead. Smart or just briefed on new developments. Meanwhile, in another circus tent the application for the security council is not be be followed as it needs a functioning army available at any time. World politics is not done in NZ, belief me.

      • Ant 9.5.3

        After how many Kiwis died in Afghanistan for a Obama photo op…

  10. tsmithfield 10

    The problem for Cunliffe is that I don’t think right or wrong matters anymore. It is all about perceptions now.

    This latest revelation combined with the dodgy donations and dinners Barker had in China that are coming to light all add up to a fairly terminal look, rightly or wrongly.

    • mickysavage 10.1

      What reality does not matter? So the best smearers will always be the winners?

      • tsmithfield 10.1.1

        Exactly. What would contributors here be saying if National was in this position?

        • lprent 10.1.1.1

          Probably that it is a form letter.

          • tsmithfield 10.1.1.1.1

            LOL.

            I think Cunliffe should resign. Not because of the latest revelations directly. But because of embarking on a campaign to attack the government without checking for skeletons in Labour’s own closet first.

            • ghostwhowalksnz 10.1.1.1.1.1

              No closet, no skeleton.

              As for attacking the government, thats what oppositions do. There is a clue in the name

            • Enough is Enough 10.1.1.1.1.2

              There in lies the problem

              The poster boy for Labour’s campaign of ‘cash for access’ is probably a former labour donor, and had the now Labour leader advocate for him in the past.

              If you are going to use these kind of attacks you need to ensure the evidence won’t bite you on the arse.

              • Colonial Viper

                The poster boy for Labour’s campaign of ‘cash for access’ is probably a former labour donor, and had the now Labour leader advocate for him in the past.

                Liu was a constituent. Electorate MP Cunliffe was writing to a government department seeking a clarification.

                Pretty straight forward – David Cunliffe was doing his job as an electorate MP, a concept the right wing is clearly struggling with.

                • SETI

                  Liu wasn’t a constituent as he wasn’t a citizen or permanent resident.

                • Enough is Enough

                  I am no right winger. I am not saying Cunliffe actions at the time were wrong. Far from it.

                  The fact is Cunliffe (probably innocently) has been set up and now looks like an imbecile. He wrote a letter on behalf of a guy who has been the centre of some attacks on the government. Attacks that were gaining traction. And now cannot be used.

                  A fucking big fail.

                  If you are going to highlight Joe Bloggs as a National donor and an example of their corrupt practices , then make fucking sure Joe Bloggs has never been near you.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    Pretty sure “Lui” isn’t a National Party member. Pretty sure the corrupt practices are Maurice’s, Judith’s, John’s and John’s.

                    Don’t let the fact that your head’s been cut off stop your legs from working whatever you do.

                  • lprent

                    If you are going to highlight Joe Bloggs as a National donor and an example of their corrupt practices , then make fucking sure Joe Bloggs has never been near you.

                    Agreed. Definitely something to kick them about and improve. After the election.

                • Matthew Hooton

                  Liu was not a constituent. He did not live in New Lynn.

                  • lprent

                    I have no idea where he lived. I rather suspect that neither do you. However perhaps the question you should be asking is where did his agent live? That was who had contact with Cunliffes office.

                    Incidentally the only way for electorate staff to find out if he was a constituent would have been whatever address he gave for his client – which is likely to be his own – or even a P O Box. Sure they could have looked at the electoral roll, but even a person made a permanent resident requires several years before they can enroll and vote. This was an immigration matter…. Think it through.

                  • Gosman

                    Do MP’s provide letters to anyone who asks for them regardless of where the person asking for them live then?

                  • Clemgeopin

                    Are MPs not allowed to write and ask a question on behalf of a new immigrant, irrespective of where the immigrant lives?

                • Barnsley Bill

                  Which electorate was he a constituent in? Your leader actually wised up and fudged the answer to that question tonight on Campbell live. The first time he has not fallen in head first when answering a question on this topic in over a week.

                  • lprent

                    I believe I have already pointed the flaw in your argument out already. He was trying for immigrant status. He had no constituency.

                    Do you mean to say that you think he shouldn’t be helped by electorate offices? Please explain why?

                    Perhaps you know where he was living? If he wasn’t on the electoral roll, then you’d know more than the electorate office.

                    And BB – that was more of an order than a request. There seems to be a astroturf going on.

                    • Anne

                      Within 24 hours the polls are going to be the least of David Cunliffes problems.
                      Keep an eye on the herald website, we are about to see pledge card theft relegated to second place as the biggest labour funding scandal.

                      Comment by Barnsley Bill — June 17, 2014 @ 10:21 am

                      Posted on Whale-Oil yesterday.

                      So now we know it came from Slater and the National Party Dirty Tricks Brigade – ie their Research Unit. Did John Key issue the directive for it to be published this week? You bet he would have…

                      The NZ Herald hand in glove with a lying sleaze bag.

                • Blue

                  So hes only guilty of helping a constituent?……….ok.

        • freedom 10.1.1.2

          not much tsmithfield, probably because a MP doing MP stuff in the MP office is not news.

          but then again a National MP doing MP stuff in their MP office, that really would be news …
          in the same way Halley’s Comet is news every 76 years :)

      • Cancerman 10.1.2

        Well Labour had been smearing Collins so you tell us if that tactic works?

        • Tracey 10.1.2.1

          have you read the oia docs about collins trip to china?

          • Cancerman 10.1.2.1.1

            Yes and there is no evidence anything happened other than associating with her husband colleague. Now something corrupt may have happened but until you have evidence it is a smear campaign. Thats the point I’m making. David Cunliffe may have had no association but just sign a stock letter. But he also might be ball deep with Chinese businessmen. National has no hard evidence. They are smearing as did Labour with Collins. If you want to start convicting people with no evidence go ahead but please give me notice as I would like to leave the country first.

            • Draco T Bastard 10.1.2.1.1.1

              Yes and there is no evidence anything happened other than associating with her husband colleague.

              Wow, you missed the bit about Chinese officials and that she spent some time promoting her husbands business while acting as a minister?

              • Cancerman

                Wasn’t David Cunliffe a minister when this letter was written?

                • karol

                  Sheesh – no Cunliffe wasn’t a minister at the time.

                  • Hayden

                    And further, Donghua Liu wasn’t his husband.

                  • Cancerman

                    He was a minister from 2002.

                    • lprent

                      He was a minister from 2002.

                      Only if you are an uneducated idiot like yourself who is incapable of using google.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cunliffe#Cabinet_minister
                      Associate Minister of Finance and Revenue also known as an apprentice from 2002-2005. He didn’t become a minister until after the 2005 election.

                      Incidentally that Cunliffe page still needs to be fixed up. Anyone here a known wikipedia editor. Parts of it are unreadable.

                    • Cancerman

                      Minister of Communications and Information Technology. Uneducated idiot was it?

                    • lprent []

                      Yes you are an idiot and it is clear you can’t read accurately either.

                      Not the Minister for ICT then, from memory there was no such role at the time.
                      Spokesperson for ICT which is quite a different role and just in the party.

                      Ok here is a better list which may make it simplier for your poor stretched brain to grasp hold of.
                      (that wiki page is munted)

                      http://www.parliament.nz/en-nz/mpp/mps/current/50MP30551/cunliffe-david
                      Hey I was wrong. He became a Minster of State (probably the current State Services) the following month after signing the letter for immigration. Again a bit of a training role as mostly it consists of the mandarins of the state services commission suggesting everything that the minister should do.

                      However for your training I have bolded that so you can identify it. I have also italicised the other past ministerial roles he has had. I hope these instructions aren’t too complex.

                      • Parliamentary Private Secretary to the Ministers of Finance, Commerce and Revenue: 15 August 2002 – 19 May 2003
                      • Minister of State: 19 May 2003 – 21 December 2004
                      • Associate Minister of Communications: 19 May 2003 – 21 December 2004
                      • Associate Minister of Finance: 19 May 2003 – 19 October 2005
                      • Associate Minister for Information Technology: 19 May 2003 – 21 December 2004
                      • Associate Minister of Revenue: 19 May 2003 – 19 October 2005
                      • Associate Minister for State Owned Enterprises: 21 December 2004 – 19 October 2005
                      • Minister of Communications: 21 December 2004 – 5 November 2008
                      • Minister for Information Technology: 21 December 2004 – 2 November 2007
                      • Associate Minister for Economic Development: 19 October 2005 – 5 November 2007
                      • Minister for Immigration: 19 October 2005 – 2 November 2007
                      • Minister of Health: 5 November 2007 – 18 November 2008
                      • Minister for Communications and Information Technology: 5 November 2007 – 18 November 2008

                      /sarc
                      Now wasn’t I nice to the poor intellectually challenged comedic straight man.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Was he? I think had he been you’d be all over it like a Cabinet Club, and the fact that you’re asking the question instead merely demonstrates your bad faith.

            • Tracey 10.1.2.1.1.2

              what about her misleading comments… popping in for a cuppa on way to airport. it was always a private dinner when docs show neither true.

              remember there is a cabinet manual holding her to

              “highest ethical standards”

            • Hayden 10.1.2.1.1.3

              Did you miss the bit where she scheduled an event specifically to promote Oravida? And then lied about it?

              Look here:
              http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1405/020520141724330001.pdf (PDF)

              Go to page 83.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.1.2.2

          So Cunliffe asking that “Lui” be provided with a timetable is the same as diverting Ministerial resources to benefit your party’s owner/donor who also happens to be your spouse.

          That’s some mighty fine false equivalence you’ve got going on there pardner. How about I offer you this pile of dogshit for it?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 10.2

      Getting so desperate that you’re calling the election over already? :lol:

    • Tracey 10.3

      but the worse scenario has had no impact on nats. boggles the mind

    • ghostwhowalksnz 10.4

      The dodgy donations line is absurd.

      Do we know who paid $50,000 for John Keys tie at an ‘auction’ at the Ocean City restaurant run by Pansy Wong in 2007.

      The amount doesnt appear in Nationals donation list at the time but would have have been washed through Nationals Waitemata Trust which did donate a large sum.

      As the use of Trusts and trust funds at the time was legal, there isnt anything dodgy, unless you want to look at all parties auctions of inconsequential items for ridiculous items

    • McFlock 10.5

      You’re a tory.
      Of course you don’t think right or wrong matter.

      Frankly this beat up is just another case of praising with faint damnation.
      Was Barker travelling on the government dime to appear in advertising for a company his partner is a director of? Is that the best you moral-illiterates have?

  11. Tangled_up 11

    The agenda based dishonesty around this is quite disappointing. It’s obvious to anyone looking at this objectively that this is a simple case of forgetting something trivial from 11 years ago. But no, it’s election year so let’s jump on the media train all the while knowing very well it’s a beat up.

  12. Rosie 12

    In reference to this pathetically desperate manufactured non scandal, karol on Open Mike suggested it was a “storm in a tea cup”. Further on, Dimebag Russell says “pffftt, tomorrows fish and chip paper” (or words to that effect).

    I couldn’t agree more with that sentiment.

    How anyone could read any expression of advocacy into that letter is unbelievable, and ultimately makes them look like an idiot for doing so. If common sense prevailed such drama queen outrage should turn right back on them.

    Aside: David Cunliffe looks vaguely Kennedy-esque in that old photo on the letterhead.

  13. North 13

    This effort by fool Armstrong makes it official. Armstrong…….the shameless shill-supreme for the National Party. Has he no conscience ? This needs the sternest response from Cunliffe personally with Armstrong personally called out and lambasted for the Tory propagandist bastard he is. It is utterly outrageous.

    Come along Brian Edwards. Can you pull yourself out of your dotage…….extricate yourself from your tight social embrace with bestie Boag…….call this shit for what it is ? No ? Too busy being a fucking matron along the waterfront ? Prove me wrong.

    • Anne 13.1

      This needs the sternest response from Cunliffe…

      +1

    • ghostwhowalksnz 13.2

      He has to out shrill the blogs, as its a National Party-NZ Herald joint production.

      Whats amusing is that Armstrong normally doesnt write stuff about the parliamentary fray, he waits a day or two to give his pieces a considered air.

      • karol 13.2.1

        And now Tova O’Brien is joining the – will he resign? brigade. How much longer to we have to put up with all these Nat-supporting bunch of hive-mind journos?

    • i think armstrong can be deemed to have officially jumped the shark..with this one

      ..and edwards-the-elder did that predator-jump years and years ago..

    • gnomic 13.4

      While the coupling of Brian and Boag is not a pretty sight, doesn’t the old buffer have something of a hospital pass at present, since his significant other has been ill? Anyway someone who refers to Boag as a ‘colleague’ has surely long since given up tilting at windmills. It will take much more than a few sardonic remarks from BE to bring Labour to power.

    • ffloyd 13.5

      Had the feeling Armstrong had his stuff ready to go. Forewarned?

  14. infused 14

    Fake letter. Cunliffe is smiling.

  15. Ad 15

    I have known Cunliffe since before he was elected, and he is nothing if not a straight guy with huge care for good process. I am fully prepared to back him.

    • SpaceMonkey 15.1

      I don’t know Cunliffe but I’d back him too. I can’t take this attempt at smearing him seriously. It is so lame, it has to be a joke. Especially the satire from John Armstrong about Cunliffe resigning! Haha! And did I read somebody claiming the ABC crowd having something to do with it? Good grief.

      Though as far as laugh-out-loud moments go in politics… it’s still not as good as Key’s WMDs claim. And conveniently, Key is out of town… so there’s physical separation for him. None of this crap will be sticking to him. Unreal.

      • anker 15.1.1

        @AD 15 I don’t know Cunliffe either, but he has my 100% support. He has had nothing but crap from the media and I note on 6pm news ABC interviewed and didn’t give unconditional support.

        This will be a sad day if the caucus vote him out. Mana-interent may get my vote if that happens.

        You have to wonder about the timing of it with two days left before Caucus can no longer mount a coup.

  16. john 16

    LPrest says “In any event there is no element of advocacy in it.”

    Only the totally naive and gullible would think a letter from and MP asking how long an immigration case would take, is not advocacy.

    If he is not trying to help Liu, then there is absolutely no point at all, in bothering to write the letter.

    Which misses the point anyway.

    It’s not a big deal that he helped Liu, or even that he lied or forgot about it.

    That would be no big deal, except for the fact that he’s been highly critical of others for doing the same thing.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 16.1

      What same thing ? Writing letters or calling the police to manipulate the prosecution process ?

      • Colonial Viper 16.1.1

        I think john means organising Ministerial meetings to help out with your partner’s business affairs in China.

      • Tracey 16.1.2

        he means lying is not the problem the problem is pointing out other peoples lies when slater is a friend of one of the most recent liars

    • Ross 16.2

      John

      You couldn’t be more wrong. Williamson resigned because he phoned police (about Liu) during a police investigation into Liu. That’s a no-no whatever your political hue. Then there’s Judith Collins promoting products sold by her hubby’s company. That’s a sackable offence and Collins should be gone.

      How you can compare Cunliffe with Collins or Williamson defies credibility.

      • Tracey 16.2.1

        and liu was not in williamsons electorate was charged with violence on two women

    • One Anonymous Bloke 16.3

      Because intervening in a police investigation is the same as doing your job as a local MP. Are you so stupid you can’t recognise how your gullibility opens all MPs and Cabinet Club members for the same treatment?

      You managed a comment earlier that avoided copying lines you’d been spoonfed, but I see you’ve reverted to type. The scum always floats on top, John.

  17. politikiwi 17

    This isn’t a big deal (as lprent has so eloquently pointed out), but in the end it will probably mean another three years of National.

    sigh

    • srylands 17.1

      “This isn’t a big deal”

      Yes well neither was the whole Judith Collins Chinese dinner thing. You reap what you sow buddy.

      • Colonial Viper 17.1.1

        Setting up a Ministerial meeting to further your partner’s business in China is certainly a big deal. Didn’t see anyone asking Collins to resign though.

      • ghostwhowalksnz 17.1.2

        The taxpayers were paying for her official trip, with her entourage. Her husband was a director of the company.

        Pansy Wong was booted from parliament for exactly the same thing

      • Tracey 17.1.3

        someone needs the parking arm manually raise slylands. off you pop

  18. srylands 18

    Philip Jackson posted this on the 3 news site. It is very funny.

    “Over $1m has been donated to the Mental Health Foundation to help cope with the expected influx of Left-leaning voters on September 21st after the Labour Party fails yet again to gain power.”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Cunliffes-links-to-Liu/tabid/1607/articleID/349129/Default.aspx

    • ghostwhowalksnz 18.1

      Dont you think Labour has dirt to dish on National between now and the eelction ?

      Watch this space

      • Colonial Viper 18.1.1

        Yeah but that’s Thorndon Bubble thinking

        Dishing out dirt is the very last thing voters want to see from Labour, and if Labour heads down that track it will be falling for the REAL trap set by this National stunt.

        Where is the narrative around how Labour is going to change the nation???

        • Dave_1924 18.1.1.1

          I agree with you on this CV – voters are getting very tired of mud slinging.

          I would like to see Labour’s vision on where they want to take the Nation. And I would like to see it based on the founding message of the party – A Fair Day’s Pay for a Fair Days Work. That actually might get traction at the polls BUT only if its presented in a smart way.

          Cunliffe has appeared incompetent in this instance not because he advocated, in a very subtle way, for a constituent or potential constituent – But because he was so categorical in denying any knowledge. The Press Pack lead him and he wandered in without thinking.

          Clark would have seen that coming a mile off and avoided with a simple “my electoral office dealings with these routine matters every day, and I don’t have specific knowledge about this case. I’ll check and get back to you” Issue avoided – Time to move on….

          Raises questions of whether he can truly be in control and lead

          [And yes I have taken some delight in this incident on this site and others… purely because its biter bit for me.]

      • TheContrarian 18.1.2

        “Dont you think Labour has dirt to dish on National between now and the eelction ?”

        Yeah but it is only dirty tricks when National do it. Otherwise, it’s it is a mix of JAQing off and Labour calling National.

        Come on, don’t be so naive – Labour and National have the same playbook.

    • TeWhareWhero 18.2

      You’re easily amused.

  19. john 19

    Cunliffe has been critical of people helping Liu, but we then find out he did so himself.

    Cunliffe has been critical of donations from Liu, but we then find out Labour took big donations from him too.

    Cunliffe has been critical of people for being wealthy, but he is wealthy.

    Cunliffe has been critical of coat tailing, but will work with Internet Mana if it makes him Prime Minister.

    Cunliffe has been critical of donations from lobbyists, but take them from lobbying unions.

    Cunliffe has been critical of memory loss, but he (like everyone) has it from time to time.

    Cunliffe has been critical of anonymous donations and secret trusts, WHILE running a secret trust to hide donations.

    If he’s going to be critical about something, he needs to make sure he’s not doing anything similar.

    • Cancerman 19.1

      john’s post above post nails it and is how the ereral public are increasingly seeing David Cunliffe.

      1.- A Hypocrite – which everyone hates
      2. – So dumb that he attacks people for what he equally has done.

      Case closed. Will be interesting to see the next polls on him. Margin of error anyone?

      • john 19.1.1

        Cunliffe comes across as aloof, arrogant, and hypocritical, which significantly weakens everything he says.

        He’s not a person the general public can picture as their PM, hence lower ratings for preferred PM than David Shearer who he replaced.

        Above, Ad says he’s a straight up guy – the problem is he doesn’t come across that way.

        Which is an issue for politicians. There’s a few I’ve disliked strongly from what I’ve seen of them, but in person they turned out to be really nice people and quite unlike their public persona.

        David Shearer seems really nice, but as leader came across as a continually angry man who had to make up complaints about everything.

        Phil Goff was an excellent and very capable foreign minister, but came across as very weak when leader (like Bill English).

        Cunliffe will never be the next left leaning PM. Labour need to find someone the public can believe in.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 19.1.1.1

          John, a partisan hack, parrots mouldy rote-learned attack lines. Looks feeble, then whines like a cry-baby when treated with ridicule and contempt

        • ffloyd 19.1.1.2

          Your Dictaphone skills are awesome!

      • lprent 19.1.2

        Will be interesting to see the next polls on him. Margin of error anyone?

        Why would you think that personal popularity polls have any effect? All the evidence shows that they are meaningless.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 19.2

      And still John relies on other people to write his lines for him, then runs away and avoids debate on the false assertions he squawks like a deluded parrot.

      A trust that is declared isn’t secret, by definition, you fucking idiot.

      Criticising people for pulling up the ladder is not criticism of wealth, fool.

      Asking questions for a constituent is not the same as trying to get a donor off charges, you partisan hack.

      Polly wanna cracker?

      • Once was Pete 19.2.1

        I don’t know about others, but I might take more notice of some of your utterances if you weren’t so abusive. It just makes you look like a real angry plonker.

        • Colonial Viper 19.2.1.1

          Fuck that, that’s MY role on The Standard :twisted:

        • McFlock 19.2.1.2

          Personally I take more notice of the utterances of OAB than I do of the stercusian eructations of the unregenerate moron to whom he addressed his comment.

          • Once was Pete 19.2.1.2.1

            Abuse is still abuse. I t lowers the tone and the standard of discussion.

            • Lanthanide 19.2.1.2.1.1

              Depends if it’s warranted or not.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                I’m ambivalent. on the one hand it can be off-putting and counter-productive, on the other hand it can add an emotional hook to rational arguments, in this case rebuttals of well-rehearsed lines. This isn’t done for the Johns’ benefit.

                Still, thanks for the crit owP.

          • lprent 19.2.1.2.2

            “stercusian eructations”

            Nice. I had to look the first one up AND figure out the latin suffix (it has been nearly 40 years since I did latin)

        • One Anonymous Bloke 19.2.1.3

          OWP, you sensitive wee sausage.

        • Lanthanide 19.2.1.4

          I find OAB’s abusiveness a little more frequent than is my liking, but I find it doesn’t detract from his comments. I can’t say the same about others here who have been more abusive/pointless.

      • Anne 19.2.2

        For Christ’s sake ignore the neanderthal called john. He winds you all up and you can’t wait to oblige him by responding.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 19.2.2.1

          Anne, it’s never too late to refine succinct rebuttals to the attack lines that will be regurgitated on social media in the weeks to come before the Johns get their new script.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 19.3

      Did you type that all yourself ?

      It all ways shows when you make stuff up its a cut and paste

  20. Dumrse 20

    David remembers Mr Lui very well and he wrote the letter so as not to jeopardise the $15K donation. He denied it all safe in the knowledge that there was an office agreement that there would be no file copies of the letter given the link to the $’s. However, he didn’t bank on an OIA request years down track. It’s a croc and it’s beginning to stink. Time to go David.

    And hanging up on Larry Williams interview ……. WTF is that about? The next question was just a patsy……..

    On on. Go David go.

    [lprent: A donation made in 2007 being jeopardised in 2003? Oh that is a just inane. Banned for 2 weeks for stupid trolling. I have already left notes on your later silliness. ]

    • ghostwhowalksnz 20.1

      How silly , the $15000 bottle of wine was around 2007, same time National got $50,000 for John Keys tie from ‘who knows?’

      This letter is 2003.

      And unlike you, I have met Mr Liu, he is not particularly memorable. Cunliffe hasnt met him either

    • wtl 20.2

      The donation came several years after the letter was written so your comment makes absolutely no sense .

      • SETI 20.2.1

        Late payment for services rendered. No wonder they don’t want to know him. Four years to pay his debt.

    • Anne 20.3

      Oh good news!! He hung up on f–wit Larry Williams – the most loud mouthed, ignorant and boorish ZB radio host of all time!!

  21. dimebag russell 21

    fuck off yourself.
    what have you ever done dumshit.
    nothing except mouth off.

  22. karol 22

    Great post, Lynn.

    I am disgusted about how the media is treating this – allowing the right wing smear merchants to spin, spin, spin….

    And all it really shows is how desperate Team key is to divert from more pressing issues.

    Slippery Key and his team use tricky methods to paint Cunliffe as the untrustworthy one.

    This government truly is the Ministry of (fabricated) Truth.

    • Dumrse 22.1

      I’m not sure National or the Govt did this as there does not seem to be too much evidence of their participation. On the contrary it has David’s foot prints and DNA all over it.

      [lprent: Perhaps you’d care to explain your logic. Because that has all of the hallmarks of being a mindless astroturf slogan – which I don’t tolerate. Adding you to auto moderation to test that theory. ]

  23. Once was Pete 23

    Sorry, but I can’t agree with this. If you are going to hold someone else to a standard (i.e. National) then you can expect to be held to the same standard yourself. Yes it was 11 years ago, but Liu is not a run of the mill electorate enquiry. He is a an immensely wealthy multi, multi millionaire who also contributed to Labour’s fund raising (as well as National’s). If that is not memorable, then I am not sure what is.
    I thought Williamson on balance probably should have resigned. I haven’t decided in my own mind if Cunliffe should resign, but you can’t fudge this- it is another serious gaffe. What it does show is that both Labour and National are probably equally grubby. Certainly, there is no moral high ground that Labour is able to take now (if there ever was).
    This is probably going to get much worse.

    • wtl 23.1

      He is a an immensely wealthy multi, multi millionaire who also contributed to Labour’s fund raising (as well as National’s). If that is not memorable, then I am not sure what is.

      The donation to Labour came in 2007. The letter was written at 2003. Therefore, your comment would indicate that Liu would be memorable to Cunliffe because he can remember the future.

      • phillip ure 23.1.1

        maybe ‘pete’..thinks cunnliffe can time-travel..?

        ..can forsee the future..

        ..what a numpty..!..heh..!

        • Once was Pete 23.1.1.1

          You really should lay off the wacky backy a bit Phil, and really try and connect events. See response to wtl.

      • Once was Pete 23.1.2

        No that doesn’t follow at all. The important event took place yesterday when David Cunliffe said he didn’t remember. In 2007 when the donation was made he should have connected with his 2003 letter of support. I repeat that writing a letter of a multi, multi is totally memorable regardless of how many for letters are written. Once he became a donor that should have reinforced that memory. But as I said, yes it was a long time ago, but nevertheless, it is a real stuff up.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 23.1.2.1

          Um, Mr. Lui, remember?

        • Lanthanide 23.1.2.2

          Cunliffe was a minister / electorate MP in 2007. Not party leader. Not party president. It was not his job in 2007 to know who was donating what.

        • lprent 23.1.2.3

          I repeat that writing a letter of a multi, multi is totally memorable regardless of how many for letters are written.

          Huh? You are dreaming

          To a back-bench electorate MP with a active electorate organisation they aren’t. You’re extremely limited (<= $20k)in what you are allowed to spend in the electorate. The money is nowhere as important as getting good volunteers.

          Electorate MPs who get to ministerial level and are looking at getting the party ready for the next election are more interested. Even then they usually just pass the name on to the fundraiser people.

        • wtl 23.1.2.4

          I repeat that writing a letter of a multi, multi is totally memorable regardless of how many for letters are written.

          Actually no. It would only be memorable if (1) Cunliffe knew that Liu was a “multi multi” at the time of writing the letter – there isn’t even any real evidence that the two met, as the request could have been handled by a staff member and (2) Cunliffe actually cared that Liu was a “multi multi”. Sure it is memorable for a typical Tory who only cares about $$$$ but it is not uncommon for normal people to view others as just people, regardless of how much their net worth is.

      • ffloyd 23.1.3

        Lol!

  24. DH 24

    I think it’s time we learnt just what it is some people have against David Cunliffe. There’s malice in their writing that’s palpable, it’s more than mere politics here. I’ve yet to read or hear anything about him that would justify the level of spite directed at him.

    I’ve never met the man and I have seen no reason to actively like or dislike him. What I have seen is a concerted effort to discredit Mr Cunliffe in the public eye and it is puzzling not to mention disconcerting.

    • McFlock 24.1

      He’s a Labour Party leader.

      That’s enough for the bulk of it.

    • Tat Loo 24.2

      I’ve met David Cunliffe several times, sat down with him for food and drink. He is a top guy, smart, personable and will make an outstanding PM, taking NZ from strength to strength.

      And the Right are fucking scared as to what that means for their BS sell out agenda.

      • Chooky 24.2.1

        +100

      • karol 24.2.2

        Exactly.

      • mickysavage 24.2.3

        Agreed. They are so belligerent because they are so afraid …

      • Dumrse 24.2.4

        You should stop pissing in his pocket, it makes you look like a wannabe politician.

        [lprent: Perhaps you should work on your insults. They are pretty humourless and rather piss-poor. We do expect a better standard. ]

        • Anne 24.2.4.1

          I’m taking offence at this dumb ass called dumrse. Is that good enough for a ban?

          [lprent: No. However I take offense at him violating one of our policies it becomes a different matter. ]

    • Lanthanide 24.3

      “I’ve yet to read or hear anything about him that would justify the level of spite directed at him.”

      He’s a competent politician who could admirably lead the country as PM and win the election, something Shearer never looked like he could do and what Phil Goff didn’t manage (personally I think if he’d stayed on, he could have).

      • Tat Loo 24.3.1

        Agreed. I think Goff went too early as well.

        • felix 24.3.1.1

          Yep and I said so at the time. I thought we’d learned from Graeme Henry not to change the coach after every world cup.

    • ffloyd 24.4

      It’s exactly why they did to Shearer. They have no policies except Labour’s , key is looking bit worse for wear. All they have is key’s obsession to stay in power which his band of Incredible Invertebrates seem to embrace with mindless gusto, so all they can do is destroy the opposition with whatever means they have at their disposal, and key is in the perfect position to supply them with the ammo they need. Just look at how quickly Armstrong came out with his column stating that DC should resign. Fortunately for key (I never cut and run ) he was fortuitously out of the country, as is so often the case when big hits are let loose on Labour. Intriguing that the herald have printed everything out of context, in BIG headlines, LARGE photos of buyers accepting their auction wines which they have won. Nz herald is the lowest of the low. Even I can see what they are doing. Best thing to do with a boil is lance it. Imagine the pus that would come out of the herald.

  25. SpaceMonkey 25

    Going to have to skip the 3 News tonight… the thought of Patrick Gower’s mug salivating over the story…

  26. bad12 26

    Agree with LPrent’s on what goes on in the electorate offices of MP’s, there’s a couple of levels of people who work in them, the volunteers who take the appointments, answer the phones and then there’s the MP ‘and’ usually the MP’s private secretary,

    Anyone having a good look will realize that on a a busy day in the electoral office, mostly the MP has only the one part day to attend to stuff there, it is pot luck whether you get to commune with the MP or the Private Secretary,

    The letter signed by David Cunliffe would have been one of hundreds typed up for Him to sign on any given day and was probably in a pile that the secretary would have simply put in front of Him saying these are immigration matters, the next pile would have been local DHB matters and the next Housing matters, and on it would go,

    If Immigration were to have to produce a list of such letters there would be 10’s of 1000’s of them signed by 100’s of MP’s from across all parties in the Parliament,

    Of course National are going to unleash the tame press on the issue, i haven’t even bothered reading that old cadaver Armstrong’s piece in the Herald yet, i much prefer to muse on what it is exactly that keeps that piece of the walking dead from expiring in the half belief that He already has and a team of Herald ‘ghost’ writers have filled the position,

    Of course i have also having a quiet chuckle up my sleeve over the bites upon the bum being experienced by the politicians over the ”buy your way into New Zealand immigration policy” that has been favored by both major parties,

    Having failed to find on the ”most needed” categories for immigrants one where the description is ”corrupt arsehole” or ”corrupt arsehole who is bound to spread such corruption around” i am still amazed at just who our ”leaders” managed to let into the place…

    • Wayne 26.1

      “Hundreds of letters any given day”. I don’t believe that. In fact David Cunliffe said 1200 letters on immigration over the last 12 years. Thats pretty much what I would expect. It is about 2 or 3 a week.

      And Lprent, they are not “form letters”, they are individual. They may follow a format, but MP’s are not dealing with so many immigration matters that it is all reduced to form filling.

      The problem here is less the forgetting, though it is not a good look just a day after the denials. As John Campbell pointed out tonight, it being seen to do much the same thing as the Nats after being so hypercritical about it.

      I must say when Labour was going on about donations etc a couple of months ago, I thought then that it was high risk strategy, given that I was pretty certain that Labour had been in much the same space (and I did post on that at the time). I put it down to desperation to lift the poll ratings.

      Over the years, the major parties have been a bit careful not to go on about each others donations too much, mostly because of the obvious risks of an own goal. In contrast the use and misuse of taxpayer funds through Parliamentary Services has been something of a free fire zone!

      • bad12 26.1.1

        You can tho read right Wayne???, i am only inquiring about your skills at such to be sure it must be your skills in comprehension that are sadly lacking,

        It’s pretty much as i would expect of one of your ilk of course, having smelt what you believe to be blood you can’t have people not knee-jerking all across the floor with logical explanations of what is involved in a busy MP’s working day can you,

        Go back and have a re-read Wayne, at no time do i suggest that the 100’s of letters signed would have all been on immigration matters, far from it, i also point out that in the letter signing orgy would be letters on other matters, too many to mention i would suggest,

        i would suggest to you that a busy MP at best would speed read the gist of such letters befor signing them without bothering to look at who the letter pertained too,

        Doesn’t suit your little tale tho does it Wayne and you of all people know full well what LPrent is referring to when he writes ‘form letter’, it is a style of talking to a Government department where that department is fully aware that the MP is not trying to interfere in the day to day operations,

        Much the same form of letter would have been typed and sent to Immigration by MP’s secretaries from all the parties right across the political spectrum,

        You KNOW this yet here you are tonight spreading weasel words…

        • Wayne 26.1.1.1

          The number of letters was not really the main point I was making. More in the final three paragraphs of the post..

          • bad12 26.1.1.1.1

            Another dancer from pinhead to pinhead, is there a school somewhere that teaches you lot this as a debating tactic or does it come as part of the ‘Wing-nut’…

            • One Anonymous Bloke 26.1.1.1.1.1

              Well it’s a step to the right, and then a leap to the right,
              With your hands on your eyes,
              And your brain wound tight,
              Massive inequality,
              That drives you insane,
              Don’t do the Wingnut again.

      • Anne 26.1.2

        Wayne, you’re as much a liar as John Key, Bill English and the the 3rd rate journos and reporters spreading this slander.

        An agent (probably) approaches David Cunliffe’s office 12 years ago. His electorate secretary handles the case as you know only too well would have happened because that’s what they are employed to do. Cunliffe signs the letter – along with a dozen or so other letters handed to him for a signature – 12 years ago. He doesn’t meet with Liu and probably never met the agent. Remember dear boy, Liu can’t speak a word of English so he definitely wouldn’t have handled the matter himself. And you jump on the band-wagon and attempt to infer that the revelation is equivalent to Banks, Williamson and Collins – because in reality that is exactly what you are inferring.

        And we know now it came out of Key’s top drawer courtesy of sleazy Cameron Slater and his band of bandits and thieves.

        So don’t bother to come on the high and mighty principled former National Party cabinet minister to us again.

        • Wayne 26.1.2.1

          Anne, you are missing my point.

          It is less about the facts of this particular case, and more about the general risk of the strategy. For either of the two major parties to attack the other side on donations is highly likely to blow back. After all they both get donations from all sorts of people.

          But for that person to be Donghua Liu was particularly embarrassing.

          Actually the whole fiasco demonstrates exactly your point, and those of several other posters. Much better to have the political debate on actual policy that affects New Zealanders.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 26.1.2.1.1

            So where are the National Party’s detailed policy proposals, Dr. Mapp? You remember I asked you to show us the “manifesto” you referred to recently?

            Your silence on the matter is revealing.

            • Colonial Viper 26.1.2.1.1.1

              Wayne is right though. Nothing puts off voters in an election year more than trying to win a campaign on mud slinging. And the NATs always pull it off better, partly because they have the MSM heavy artillery on side.

              Labour wins elections by winning hearts and minds, and by putting out gutsy, game changing policies and advocating for them unashamedly. (Left wing policies, in case I need to be clear, not right wing ones like raising the retirement age).

              It’s not been happening. The Christchurch Earthquake Insurance Court, that was an OK policy. 6/10. But those need to be coming out twice per week, speaking to different sectors of society individually, but as a whole the pattern will weave a complete narrative in the mind of the prospective left wing voter.

              • Colonial Viper

                As a Leader, Cunliffe has to let his best come across in every media opportunity: determined, able, fiery when needed, always with a touch of humour and grounded earthiness. Speak directly to your own supporters not to those firmly in John Key’s camp!!!

                And healthy additional doses of soft media please.

          • Anne 26.1.2.1.2

            Oh no, Wayne, I’m not missing the point!

            Cunliffe and others were correct to strongly criticise Judith Collins, Maurice Williamson and John Banks for duplicitous behaviour and for their attempts to conceal their illicit and/or unlawful practices from the general public.

            David Cunliffe was set up by a bunch of lying, arseholes (of whom John Key is one) to paint a false picture of an indiscretion that never actually occurred. They are aided and abetted by an equally sleazy bunch of National Party acolytes and low grade gossip columnists who masquerade as journos and reporters.

            No Labour leader has had to put up with such a constant barrage of false accusations, distortions of the truth, and deliberate attempts to destroy them in such a mendacious and vindictive way.

            You and your fellow Tories think its Kosher to behave like that? It shows how low you are all prepared to go for personal political gain.

            Now I must fly…

  27. chris73 27

    Theres some good polls on stuff if anyones interested:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10173411/David-Cunliffes-catastrophes

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10172715/David-Cunliffe-advocated-for-Donghua-Liu

    I’m in two minds here, on the one hand Cunliffe resigning would be a coup for National but on the other we can have Labour on the back foot spending all their time defending the undefendable and less on policies

    Decisions decisions

    • karol 27.1

      Resigning! What a joker. If Cunliffe should resign over this non-event, Collins and Key should have resigned long ago.

      Nats-WO-MSM linked smear machine working well, though. History will not be kind to that lot.

      • chris73 27.1.1

        “If Cunliffe should resign over this non-event, Collins and Key should have resigned long ago.”

        • This isn’t a case of “ohh look teacher see what Judith and Johnny are doing” much as Labour would like it to be the perception is that Cunliffes either incompetent or a hypocrite

        Nats-WO-MSM linked smear machine working well, though. History will not be kind to that lot.

        • Its true National are better at it then Labour are but thats something for Labour to sort out
        • karol 27.1.1.1

          Ummm.. actually, precedents count. What exactly is a resigning offence?
          And thanks for acknowledging the Nats are the leaders in dirty tricks.

          • chris73 27.1.1.1.1

            Personally I don’t think he did anything wrong but the perception is hes a hypocrite so in my always humble opinion I think he should stay

            It’ll make the election a lot more interesting and amusing

            • karol 27.1.1.1.1.1

              If the perception is that he’s a hypocrite, it’s because of the totally slanted reporting by a handful on MSM journos.

              • chris73

                It doesn’t matter why or who it only matters that it is

                Something you on the left just don’t seem to grasp

                • felix

                  Startling admissions from you today chris, re- your approval of dishonesty, smearing etc.

                  Perhaps the most interesting though is the one in the subtext: You and your boss are utterly shit-scared of Cunliffe.

                • emergency mike

                  “It doesn’t matter why or who it only matters that it is

                  Something you on the left just don’t seem to grasp”

                  Which sums up the ethos of the psychopath: perception is reality.

                  It’s not that we don’t grasp it chris, it’s more that we are just not that good at being ruthless underhanded lying bastards. I think thats because we aren’t ruthless underhanded lying bastards.

                  And it might not matter to you me old witting or unwitting sock-puppet, but to some of us it does matter that this ancient history is being dredged up by cynical propaganda professionals when perhaps we have actual issues that affect actual people right now that we could be focused on in this election.

                  You seem to think that the election result is all that ‘matters’. That the right team wins, your team. So sit back and have a brew and be oh so amused if you like, but there are those of us who do give a fuck about the state our democracy. I wonder if that’s something you’re able to grasp.

          • ffloyd 27.1.1.1.2

            Yay!

    • bad12 27.2

      Lucky you chris73 the only real decision that you need make is whether to try gloves or sticky tape in an effort to not spread significant amounts of your DNA on the pavement when you attempt perambulation,

      A letter in 2003,
      A donation in 2007,

      You would spend many a long month joining the dots in between i would suggest…

      • chris73 27.2.1

        Its not what hes done its what hes perceived to have done but don’t worry you’ll understand what it means when Nationals returned to power at the next election

        • Tat Loo 27.2.1.1

          I see you’re working hard on building up the “perception”

          • chris73 27.2.1.1.1

            Sure just like the left want to build up a perception of John Key the right want to build up a perception of Cunliffe, I just didn’t think Cunliffe would make it quite so easy

  28. James 28

    Reading on twitter and some blogs there is a lot more to come out on this.

    I’m guessing none of it good for Labour and cunners.

  29. dimebag russell 29

    shut up you moran.
    it was 2003 and a form letter from his staff.
    blowing it up is just typical national party flatulence

  30. fisiani 30

    Tricky Tricky Tricky. He can run but he cannot hide. He can be rolled in just two days. Tick tock.
    Andrew Little needs to be in the top ten to get back in. Robertson wants the leadership in September. Little as place holder till September then Robertson after the defeat.

    • chris73 30.1

      Wouldn’t it be better if Cunliffe stayed though, he and Labour would have to spend their time defending themselves rather then talking policy…

    • john 30.3

      The question is the timing of the hospital pass from Cunliffe.

      Should Robertson or Little accept it now, or after the election.

      And will Labour get more votes with Cunliffe gone than with him there?

      • chris73 30.3.1

        I’d wait because you arn’t going to win and when you lose you’ll be turfed out so better to wait until after the election

    • Tautoko Viper 30.4

      Dream on, Fizzi. The public will see this for what it is- a frantic beat-up by National and it will be forgotten by next week. Younger voters don’t even watch TV and this will pass them by. On a scale compared to John Key’s brain fades, this doesn’t even register. The louder the Tories howl, the more desperate they sound. LPrent has it right…”is that it?”

  31. Tat Loo 31

    It’s time for key Labour caucus members to publicly back David Cunliffe on this issue

    Just witnessed a Facebook exchange between a friend of mine asking whether or not the ABCs are involved in today’s attacks on Cunliffe, and seeing 2 experienced Labour MPs respond quite unsatisfactorily.

    It’s high time that Labour’s senior front bench MPs step up to the camera and publicly back their Leader on this matter. What has taken them so long. That is, if they are united in wanting Labour to win this election.

    And that includes any and all of David Parker, Grant Robertson, Annette King and Jacinda Ardern.

    • Olwyn 31.1

      +1000

    • Anne 31.2

      Annette King did OK Tat. When approached by the TV reporter (early this afternoon) she hissed at them and walked away in obvious disgust. Said it all really but nobody took a blind bit of notice.

      God I hate those bastard reporters. They support the liars and cheats because they think there’s something in it for them. Most of them have never heard of the words honesty, decency and integrity. Cunliffe is all three and I hope he will never change.

      • chris73 31.2.1

        King did exactly right by laughing it off as something silly but I thought Mallard showed his true colours, I’m biased because I think hes a horses ass but what did you think

      • Tat Loo 31.2.2

        Glad to hear it Anne.

        I want to see that caucus explicitly back Cunliffe 100%, and then show it by getting back on the road to election day advocating for unequivocal change in our society.

        Show the MSM up for what it is – drama queens and gossip columnists.

        • karol 31.2.2.1

          Well, if anything, this beat up has convinced me to get out there and do more volunteering – for the Greens, for a change of government.

          I’ve had enough of the dirty tricks of the born-to-rulers.

        • chris73 31.2.2.2

          I want a full head of hair but I suspect thats more of a possibility then what you want

        • geoff 31.2.2.3

          I don’t think the abc would be silly enough to try anything before or after the election (if the left lose), they’d get shat on by the unions and membership.

  32. Rosie 32

    And how f’n typical is that of 3 News to show their allegiances to the Nat Govt! Tonight, a classic beat up that the 3 News crew followed hook line and sinker, and repeated like puppets

    Last night, the Kiwisaver policy relegated to the bottom of the news.

    Hows your bias there 3 News? Hopefully Campbell Live will demonstrate more professionalism and balance tonight when he interviews David Cunliffe.

    • karol 32.1

      Yes, the whole beat up of questioning whether Cunliffe is about to be rolled – unbelievable!

      • chris73 32.1.1

        Mallard wasn’t backing him when asked so its a fair question

        • karol 32.1.1.1

          Well, if it’s the return of the ABCs, that’s a sad thing – for them to be so treacherous, and putting the future of the country at stake – it’s beyond my understanding.

          • Tat Loo 32.1.1.1.1

            Looks to me like this may be the last dying gasp of the ABCs.

            Putting their self interest ahead of the interests of the nation. Ninety fucking days before an election.

            Simple way to prove me wrong is to stand shoulder to shoulder with Cunliffe and back him and Labour for the win, in the media.

            BTW its Labour Party final list selection this weekend…IMO there’s a bunch of MPs who need to win their electorate seats on their merits and be taken right off or right down that list in order to let new blood into Labour.

            • BM 32.1.1.1.1.1

              Mate, they can’t stand the guy and that’s obvious to even the most dimwitted.

              For the longevity of the party, the left needs to lose this election.

              • karol

                Some of us have little time for the ABCs. For the future of the party, and the left generally, they should stand down.

                • BM

                  Not going to happen.

                  Facts are the left are in no position to form the next government, it would be an utter disaster if they some how managed to get across the line.

                  Labour has to rebuild and rebuild completely if it wants to stay relevant in modern NZ.
                  National has set the standard and Labour has to either match it or die and lets be honest they’re currently on their death bed.

            • Tautoko Viper 32.1.1.1.1.2

              Call me naïve but I just can’t believe that the ABC’s would sabotage Labour at this stage.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 32.1.2

        They don’t like having the right to choose the leader snatched away from them.

      • Anne 32.1.3

        They’re talking it up in the hope they can force it to happen. Traitorous barbarians!!

        Remember what they did in November 2012. Created a Cunliffe coup out of thin air and nearly killed the party off. Now they’re doing it again.

        • karol 32.1.3.1

          Yes. I just tweeted Tova O’Brien about her manufacturing a leadership challenge.

          I am truly pissed off at the terrible state of our most prominent journalists.

          • Rosie 32.1.3.1.1

            Good on you karol. The “leadership challenge” was bollocks.

            Don’t know if you remember me saying ages ago that Tova O’ Brien was was doing “practicum” during her journalism studies on Radio Active sometime around about 2010-11 on their breakfast show and the DJ had to educate her on how to pronounce names of political leaders and provide her with some history lessons on air. She just didn’t have grasp on local or international events at all.

            To me it sounds like she has been easily moulded into a puppet since those days. A young pliable mind fit for purpose.

    • srylands 32.2

      “Hopefully Campbell Live will demonstrate more professionalism and balance tonight when he interviews David Cunliffe.”

      Are you taking the piss?

    • and their take/spin on the kiwisaver policy was that ‘low-paid workers will be ‘forced’..etc..etc..

      ..and their analysis of the owen glenn report was only on (the mis-judged/ill-thought-out) call for the burden of proof to be shifted to the accused..

      ..you’d think that was all was in that report..

      ..useless gibbering-monkeys…most of them..

      ..with the attention-spans of fucken goldfish..

      • Rosie 32.3.1

        Yes, heard the term “forced” in regards to the TV3 reporting of Kiwisaver. RNZ also used the same word in their news yesterday.

        Lol phil, speaking of goldfish, there was at least an item on 3 news talking about the sensitivity, memory span and intelligence of fish, so maybe not fair to compare fish to 3 news reporters?

    • ffloyd 32.4

      Rosie. Yeah, nah, that didn’t happen. Jc did an espiner.

  33. dimebag russell 33

    I do say so. and I do say that the talking heads from TV1 are are stuffed in the head too. They cant do anything right. Plus they all have big heads. Are they all anorexics or is it just too many laxatives so the free sausage rolls dont add up around their fatheads.

  34. this is all a total beat-up..

    ..and is part of the smear-campaign that national/key will run in place of fighting on election policies..

    ..and it is a smear-campaign that will run right up to election-day..

    ..’cos key/national have no ideas..have no policies..

    ..so this will be their campaigning-tactic..

    ..and as for labour..the two people working with cunnlife..are very smart/clever/politically-astute individuals..

    ..and so for now..i am putting my trust in them timing it right for their poverty-busting policies releases..

    ..those policies that will be their only hope of getting any of those missing-million off the couch..

    ..and that internet/mana will be launching a massive-campaign to get that missing million votong for them..

    ..must only make the case for those poverty-ending policies all the stronger..

    ..the competition on the left is fierce this time out..

    ..and labour had better know that internet/mana are going to have some good policies..

    ..the greens are resonating with their ‘green’ tax cut policy..

    ..but i am sure those two people advising cunnliffe/running this campaign know that..

    ..and that we will see those policies..in their good time..

    ..if we don’t..labour are screwed…

    ..the greens and internet/mana will chew big lumps out of their support..

    ..but once again..i am sure those two people know that..

  35. Ad 35

    If Mallard, King and Clark didn’t think we noticed their lack of support for Cunliffe when it mattered, oh yes we saw it.

    Anyone for Mallard as Speaker now?

    • i reckon kennedy graham from the greens wd b a kick-arse speaker..

      ..he would brook no shit..would run a tight ship..

      ..and he has that 100 metre death-stare…

      ..i can’t think of anyone better..

      ..and mallard..?..yeah..!..nah..!..eh..?…

      ..i’m already bored…

      ..and it’s nothing to do with being vegan..

      ..but i think we have all had more than enough mallard..

      ..for this life..

      • phillip ure 35.1.1

        ..and if this storm in a teacup has highlighted the perfidy of the mallard/king/clark..for the rest of the party..

        ..national have done labour a favour..

    • chris73 35.2

      I think King did pretty well by laughing off the question, Mallard though…

      • bad12 35.2.1

        Mallard tho, ”David Cunliffe IS the leader of the Labour Party” seems pretty unequivocal to me…

        • chris73 35.2.1.1

          “Do you have confidence in David Cunliffe”
          “David Cunliffe is the leader of the Labour Party”

          If only there was something else he could have said, something short but snappy, something that would put rumours of a coup to bed in a way that everyone would understand…naah can’t think of anything, can you?

          • bad12 35.2.1.1.1

            i don’t have a fascination as to who is the leader of the Labour Party nor who or when the next leader of the Labour Party will become apparent,

            my current fascination is in the fact that an obvious idiot,(aka You),has shown the New Zealand education system has risen above the nearly impossible and given an obvious idiot,(You), an education which admittedly has only left you with a mechanical ability to type actual words but alas has not instilled in you the ability to critically think through the chain of events,

            Perhaps tho your genetically driven knee-jerk overcomes all…

            • chris73 35.2.1.1.1.1

              Thats hurtful :) Heres the thing though in spite of the polls showing how popular John Key, how popular National is and that National won the last two elections you still think that what goes on in this echo chamber represents what most of NZ thinks

              You may not want to accept it but more people in NZ think like me then you (when it comes to voting)

              • bad12

                ‘Won’ by how many votes again chris73, the number would tend to suggest that what goes on ‘here’ is but an echo to a lesser or greater extent than what goes on in the minds of at least 45% of the population, and, on a day when National’s tide has sailed out on the sea of turds a damn sight more,

                So, what your ”most of NZ thinks” is just another piece of simpletons bullshit,(now you see why i am moved to deliver you the odd ‘ouch’ in an attempt to snap you out of such simpletons thinking),

                Doesn’t seem to have worked on you yet, but, such is my burden i will have to try a little harder,(sigh)…

                • chris73

                  It doesn’t matter by how many votes National won be it by one vote or a couple of thousand, what matters is winning power and gaining the treasury benches but if you want to pontificate on well so be it

                  So remind me again what party is currently in power?

                  • bad12

                    i don’t propose to sit here and play tic tac toe around a series of pinhead points you put up to play the game on chris73,

                    And why not you might well ask, the answer to that is outlined to you in my comments above, but to refresh, idiots like you are more fun to just spit at, hoick…

                    • chris73

                      I don’t think you quite get that you happen to be the idiot here…but thats ok if you’re happy I’m happy :)

                    • bad12

                      Yes you score as highly on the originality points meter as you do on the intelligence test chris, —0— is about the sum total of both…

                    • chris73

                      Don’t need to be original when I can say look at the scoreboard or in this case the polls even the polls from roy morgan

                  • ffloyd

                    Chris73. Only because they had a dose of Epsom Salts. And we all know what they does to the system, don’t we?

                    • chris73

                      So what? National has the treasury benches and thats good so if they used a perfectly legal means of doing so well it just means they learned well from Labour supporting jim anderton

    • bad12 35.3

      Trev would be quite a hoot as Speaker, a bit like watching Blackadder live…

      • phillip ure 35.3.1

        what wd b more of ‘a hoot’..

        ..wd b seeing him walk out the exit door..

        ..he cd retire..and raise hydrangeas..or something..

        • bad12 35.3.1.1

          Why exactly would you want to see Trev in particular take the plunge Phillip, most of the Labour Caucus i would suggest aint all that far different in their thinking than Mallard,

          Trev is just a bit more open in the ‘expression’ and the other’s are mostly a little behind in years on the clock and may still harbor the odd thought about social justice through a redistributive tax system,(but only the odd thought), which given a stint with the pinkies firmly wrapped around the levers of power, and a zillion little snippets of advice from Treasury clones,(of SSLands), will become a distant memory to be sniggered at as the musings of their immature youth…

          • phillip ure 35.3.1.1.1

            see my comment 34…

            • bad12 35.3.1.1.1.1

              So Clark just kept walking when questioned on Cunliffe’s leadership, King gave a laugh and a PFFT, and Mallard bluntly stated a number of times David Cunliffe IS the leader of the Labour Party,

              Hell i see absolute miles of perfidy in all of that, actually Phillip all’s i see in Your little joining of the dots there is an ability to make shit up just like chris73 does,

              Lolz where’s that infamous Labour Party sage Te Reo when you need Him, it was only yesterday that that one was telling me that the ABCer’s had been vanquished…

              • i haven’t forgotten the relish with which they poor-bashed..

                ..how they stigmatised/ostracised sneered at those they were meant to help..

                ..i can’t forget how during ‘boom’-years..they just didn’t only not give a fuck about the poorest..

                ..and did nothing about the inequalities/third world diseases of poverty..

                ..for nine long fucken years..

                ..but it was the pure ayn randian of working for (some) families that was the tipping point..

                ..separating/favouring the ‘worthy’ families/children..over the ‘unworthy’ families/children..

                ..ayn rand on steroids..

                ..and funny story…!..the racism that underpins that neglect..

                ..’cos the fact is that one in six pakeha children live in poverty..

                ..and one in three maori/pasifika children live in poverty..

                ..and all of that is the shame of the mallards/kings/clarks etc etc..

                ..so nah..!..i haven’t forgotten..

      • lprent 35.3.2

        I suspect he’d be a bit like me. Poacher turned gamekeeper. I used to drive moderators nuts a few decades ago.

  36. Clean_power 36

    Surely, the ABC faction is working overtime. The dirty hands of King and Mallard are all over this.

    [lprent: That is an astroturfing assertion. Explain. Adding you to automoderation and looking for signs of intelligence. ]

  37. fisiani 37

    Chance of Te Cunliffe as PM after today just 24%. Go on Standardistas. Make some easy money. Put your money where your keyboard is. Turn $24 into $100 in just 94 days. If you are confident that the coalition of the Far Left will get out the missing million why not invest and recoup. Read the post this is a non issue that will blow over in a few days. No one believes that Te Cunliffe is tricky and mendacious.

    • bad12 37.1

      Pfft what a loser you are Fis, i can turn 50 bucks of potters mix into 14 and a half grand in 90 days,

      Your problem as evidenced by your comments is that you are small time in a big big way…

      • fisiani 37.1.1

        Be a big man then turn $2300 into $10,000.

        • bad12 37.1.1.1

          Mud has more intelligence than you Fis, tho i dare say there would be a lot more fun watching you splashed on a wall doing the slide than say watching mud do the same,

          Such a small mind in such a big big way, is it practiced or just a genetic disability…

  38. blue leopard 38

    I suggest to all commenting here that they take a look at the thread: ‘NRT Shifted’ to find out what you are all being distracted from.

    National haven’t a chance of getting re-elected if the info in that thread becomes known far and wide.

  39. big bruv 39

    What a fantastic day for the people of NZ. Any slim chance that Cunliffe had of ever being PM has now evaporated.

    Yes the media are all over this story and yes they might go harder on Cunliffe than need be but when that same media know just how arrogant and smug Cunliffe is you cannot blame the media for wanting to expose Cunliffe for what he actually is.

    So now Cunliffe is gone who is next?

  40. Clean_power 40

    Just saw David Cunliffe on Campbell Live: very unconvincing and full of platitudes.
    The Labour Party leader must improve his performance or make way for someone more capable. Grant Robertson could be that man.

    • lprent 40.1

      The Labour Party leader must improve his performance or make way for someone more capable. Grant Robertson could be that man.

      I think that is quite unlikely between now and the election.

      Personally if I see anyone trying to even move on leadership until after the election, I will spend a great deal of effort teaching them why it is a bad idea. I’m sure I will have a large number of helpers. If that destroys the parliamentary NZLP – well I made my peace with that in 2012 for exactly the stupidities that you are suggesting.

  41. McGrath 41

    Regardless of whether you believe its a beat up/non-event etc, the fact remains that this is a very bad look for DC/Labour. What does Labour need to do to counter this?

  42. Chooky 42

    Comparing Key to Cunliffe and John Armstrong’s demand that David resigns

    By Martyn Bradbury / June 18, 2014 /

    When Key forgot about owning shares in Tranzrail, John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key said he wouldn’t raise GST and then did, John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key forgot about how he voted on the drinking age, John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key forgot Solid Energy asked for a billion dollars, John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key forgot about being briefed about raid on Kim Dotcom, John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key forgot about a mysterious US jet and who was on it , John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key forgot about calling Ian Fletcher about the GCSB job , John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    When Key denied he had links with Cameron Slater and then admitted he did, John Armstrong didn’t call for Key to resign.
    But when Cunliffe forgets an 11 year old letter, John Armstrong demands Cunliffe resigns!

    • chris73 42.1

      So what? Its not about whats fair and whats not its about winning the election and National are better at smearing then Labour

    • TheContrarian 42.2

      Christ Chooky, have an idea of your own for once. You’re either parroting Bomber or parroting Phil Ure.

      My god man, get hold of yourself.

  43. Paul 43

    Get rid of the neoliberal dinosaurs in the Labour Party.
    They are obstructing democracy in this country.
    Goff, Hipkins, King, Shearer, Mallard…clear out the lot of them.
    Their ilk have destroyed the Labour Party for 30 years.

    • bad12 43.1

      That’s quite funny Paul, i see at least one in your shortlist who might fit the neo-lib straght-jacket, maybe two but Annette King a neo-lib i think not,

      Anette is the epitome of the modern Labour Party today, this i see as the Socialism of, for, and, by the middle class, and, i would suggest that the majority of the current Caucus would fit nicely into that description, along with most of the current candidates,

      One i see as a definite neo-lib is the Finance spokesperson David Parker, and, of course it would be dragging the post way too far off of its intended course to add my further thoughts surrounding what Parker is doing in that position…

  44. millsy 44

    The letter seems pretty harmless to me. Just a guy who wanted to emigrate here wanting to follow up on his visa application so he can start a business.

    He probably had his shoved under his nose, signed it, and forgot about it the next day. Do you realistically expect people to remember every letter they signed over the past 10 years.

    The guy forgot.

    So what.

    its not the end of the world.

    Personally I think this pales in comparison to the financial abuse they want to inflict on the little people. Cameron Slater thinks that unions should be banned. I think thats pretty bad, but the media doesnt call him on it.

  45. Wreckingball 45

    Cunliffe has been critical of people helping Liu, but we then find out he did so himself.

    Cunliffe has been critical of donations from Liu, but we then find out Labour took big donations from him too.

    Cunliffe has been critical of people for being wealthy, but he is wealthy.

    Cunliffe has been critical of coat tailing, but will work with Internet Mana if it makes him Prime Minister.

    Cunliffe has been critical of donations from lobbyists, but take them from lobbying unions.

    Cunliffe has been critical of memory loss, but he (like everyone) has it from time to time.

    Cunliffe has been critical of anonymous donations and secret trusts, WHILE running a secret trust to hide donations.

    If he’s going to be critical about something, he needs to make sure he’s not doing anything similar.

    Go on, try to rebut what John has said. It is undeniable. Don’t put down others if you cannot live up to the standards yourself Cunliffe.

    • Crunchtime 45.1

      Not clear whether he helped Liu particularly. Liu was in his electorate, what has been found is a form letter that doesn’t even spell his name properly, one of hundreds of letters that all MPs send to immigration on the behalf of constituents.

      Not clear yet whether he took big donations and whether they were anonymous

      DC hasn’t been critical of people being wealthy for weath’s sake, wrong.

      IMP is not coat tailing. National’s “cup of tea” to get Act into Parliament IS coat tailing.

      Labour is in large part about unions, unions even get to vote for leader. Unions are not the same as profit-taking corporations You have no point here.

      DC’s memory loss is extremely minor compared to “Dunno” Key.

      He admitted the trust for donations was not a good look, it was considered standard practice at the time.

      This is all a beat-up by National, and by National’s parrots who run the papers and the news.

      What it does show is Labour needs to step up its PR/Marketing game or it’s in trouble. It can’t just remain quiet while shit gets made up about its leader.

  46. dimebag russell 46

    its all a;lot of piffle put out by the national party.
    so what.
    Labour will win and hand national a defeat that it needs to restore deceny and equilibrium in the new zealand body politic.
    national is a party of slithering money grabbers and this is just another trick.

    • srylands 46.1

      “Labour will win and hand national a defeat”

      You don’t seriously believe that is still happening in 2014? Because if you do really believe it there is a bookmaker in Alice Springs with deep pockets. A Labour win has just drifted from $3.80 40 $4.10. Just today :-).

      http://centrebet.com/#Sports/7145959

      So I am sure you will be hitting the home equity facility to make some serious money. No, because you really do not believe it.

      • bad12 46.1.1

        You are as pathetically dense as Fis is SSLands, really is that the best you can do, encourage people to gamble like some tout outside the cheapest of strip-bars…

  47. dimebag russell 47

    I dont give a shit about bookmakers.
    I care about this country and where national has taken it.
    The people will speak in September and national will be gone.

  48. Graham 48

    The moral of story is when useing private citizens for polictal gain make sure they can’t fight back( mr Lui )
    John banks found out this when dealing with dot com
    Now david cunlife has found this out also
    The national party research unit was given some info
    They did a oia request
    Then gave the loaded gun to a journalist
    It’s their frigging job

  49. dimebag russell 49

    I think they have something stuck to the bottom of their shoe.
    the national branch of the geheimestaspolizei.
    thats their speed.

    [lprent: sigh Please don’t godwin our site for no apparent reason. If you don’t have an argument, then just say so without using that old dumb crutch. ]

    • chris73 49.1

      So Godwins Law took its sweet time getting here but get here it did

      [lprent: Thank you for the heads up. ]

      • bad12 49.1.1

        ‘Godwins Law’ what a joke, some nazi who doesn’t want to be labeled as such dreams up a ”Law” which attempts to guilt trip people into not pointing out such niceties…

  50. TeWhareWhero 50

    The aptly named Yahoo! NZ has a headline ‘Cunliffe skewered in Parliament’ – apparently government ministers are ‘revelling’ in the disclosure that DC ‘intervened’ in Liu’s residency application.

    So, no spin there – just the usual high journalistic standards. I know, sarcasm, lowest form of wit and all that…

  51. Clemgeopin 51

    What irritated me MOST today was the gutless attitude of some of the cowardly so called ‘senior’ Labour MPs such as Mallard and Hipkins who did not have the courage or intelligence to stand by Cunliffe and give him unequivocal support and loyalty when quizzed by the media.
    These kind of bastards should be kicked out, ignored or relegated to the back bench as soon as possible.

    • Colonial Viper 51.1

      Well, talk to the peeps who are on the Moderating Committee, for starters.

      • Clemgeopin 51.1.1

        But what subsequently made me happier were

        (1) An excellent interview of Cunliffe by Paul Henry on TV3 night line at 10:30 pm

        (2) The excellent loyalty to Cunliffe shown by Jacinda Ardern on Backbenches tonight at 10:50pm.

        (3) An excellent intreview of Shearer by Paul Henry on TV3 night line at 10:30 pm.

  52. RedBaronCV 52

    Are we in the moddle of a Roy Morgan survey period?

    I’d be very pleased if some parties came out against this rich migrant category. It has been nothing but trouble even though not many people come in under it. On a % basis the problems must be huge. And selling passports is just that. Look at the taxpayer money going into some of this crap.

  53. Plan B 53

    where did the fundraiser photo come from? Not an OIA request

    • lprent 53.1

      That is a good point. And yes since that was Liu’s partner it does make a good point that the photo may have come from Liu.

      However it’d still be quite unusual for him to know what the letter to immigration was or even if it was still in existence at immigration.

      What I can’t figure out is what Liu has to gain by leaking information that was so useful for the Nats and so clearly orchestrated by them (ie the hinting from Whaleoil that has been going on).

      On the other hand, there is Shane Jones, now beholden to his National masters and well known that he’d show up anywhere where there was free food and a place to talk, and especially a place to talk to someone with money. I wish we knew which auction that photo was at. I could then find out if Jones was there as well.

  54. jh 54

    Good Point LPrent!

  55. Crunchtime 55

    The Liu thing is a nonevent, it’s bullshit. There’s absolutely nothing in it, and what DC said: he never met him, never advocated for him – looks to me to be true.

    But it doesn’t look that way to most people, it seems.

    The Dom Post has turned it into a bloodbath and added a poll that looks like an utter disaster for Labour.

    Labour needs to step up their PR game BIG time.

  56. NZJester 56

    People are saying that there is nothing big about this letter and that heads should not roll over it.
    I however do think maybe some heads should roll over this letter.
    What head you ask?
    Well information about this letter was obviously leaked to a few members of the press some time before the letter was officially made legally available to the public.
    Till legally released under the act, that must have still been a confidential government document and no one outside of government should know what was in it.
    If as I suspect the person leaked the information illegally they must have committed a crime by disclosing the still confidential document.

    Can anyone inform me about what the actual legal status of this letter was and if it was a crime to release information about it early?

  57. jjtamihere 57

    Given the succession of favors Liu received from Labor politicians you would have to be incredibly naive to believe that Cunliffe was just acting in his normal duties towards a so-called ‘constituent’, or accept his Bill Clintonesque ‘I can’t recall’ when it comes to whether or not he met Liu in person.

    Labor politicians gave Liu a succession of favors, Liu gave Labor a succession of donations. National came to power, and the exact same thing happens. The real issue is not Cunliffes dishonesty, which really pales in comparison to Key and co, but the cash for favors endemic that this affair has exposed.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 57.1

      Thus strengthening the case for public-only funding of political parties. Reality, meet liberal bias.

    • McFlock 57.2

      “succession of favours”?

      It’s not like anyone used government funds to go on a promotional trip for the guy’s company.

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  • The Block NZ doing a better job than Nick Smith
    Nick Smith should consider calling in producers of The Block NZ with participants in the TV series completing more houses in two seasons than the Government’s failed Special Housing Area policy, says Labour's Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “The Block NZ...
    Labour | 06-11
  • Meridian moves to kill competition from solar homes
    Big electricity companies are using their power to make it harder for families and businesses wanting to go solar and the National Government is doing nothing to help them, the Green Party said today. Meridian Energy announced today a 60-72...
    Greens | 06-11
  • Has John Key done all he could for Pike families?
    It will be forever on the conscience of John Key whether he did all he could to recover the remains of the 29 miners who died in Pike River, Labour’s MP for West Coast-Tasman Damien O’Connor says.  “The Prime Minister...
    Labour | 05-11
  • National further dashes hopes of new parents
    The National Government has once again shown its disdain for working parents by voting down proposals to extend paid parental leave, Labour MP Sue Moroney says.  “The Government vetoed an amended proposal that substantially reduced the cost of extending PPL...
    Labour | 05-11
  • Honouring the Ampatuan massacre victims as fight for justice goes on
    A grim reminder of the Maguindanao, or Ampatuan, massacre on 23 November 2014. Photo: DanRogayan A TOP Filipino investigative journalist will be speaking about the “worst attack” on journalists in history and her country’s culture of impunity in a keynote...
    The Daily Blog | 23-11
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – what are they afraid of: the erosion of democ...
    Today the Hamilton City Council has put on a big party to celebrate the 150th anniversary of European colonisation of the area.  There have been a series of events during the year to mark this event, including a civic ceremony. ...
    The Daily Blog | 22-11
  • #JohnKeyHistory
    John Key has done it again. This week our lovely Prime Minister has showed us how little he knows about the history of the country he is supposed to be running. Apparently “New Zealand was settled peacefully”. Was it really?...
    The Daily Blog | 22-11
  • G20 growth targets and growth model offer more problems than they solve
    At the recent G20 in Brisbane, member countries agreed to accelerate growth to an additional 2% on top of current trajectories. But ongoing public sector cuts, asset sales, and reducing workers’ rights indicate that at least part of the growth...
    The Daily Blog | 22-11
  • GUEST BLOG: Bill Courtney – Charter Schools: The Shroud of Secrecy Contin...
    The Ministry of Education yesterday released another batch of information relating to the five existing charter schools and the four new ones proposed for opening in 2015. As we have seen before, the release of such information, often requested under...
    The Daily Blog | 22-11
  • EXCLUSIVE: Campaign reflection, Laila Harré reaching out for radical minds
    Today I’ve announced that I will be stepping down from the Internet Party leadership in December. This will happen once options for the future have been developed for discussion and decision among members. My absolute focus in this election was...
    The Daily Blog | 21-11
  • The Ebola crisis, capitalism and the Cuban medical revolution
    “Ebola emerged nearly 40 years ago. Why are clinicians still empty-handed, with no vaccines and no cure? Because Ebola has been, historically, geographically confined to poor African nations. The R&D incentive is virtually non-existent. A profit-driven industry does not invest...
    The Daily Blog | 21-11
  • MEDIA WATCH: TVNZ Reveals Insane Deadlines For Māori and Pacific Island Pr...
    Last Tuesday, November 18th, TVNZ requested proposals from producers for the four Māori and Pacific Island programmes they will no longer be making in-house. Marae, Waka Huia, Fresh and Tagata Pasifika will keep their existing names, existing formats and existing...
    The Daily Blog | 21-11
  • The Daily Blog Breakfast Club Ep. 1
    TDB Video, Live from Verona Cafe on K-Rd, Auckland – a weekly current affairs show with TDB Editor Martyn Bradbury. This week’s panel: Chris Trotter & Selwyn Manning.The issues: 1 – What now for the New Labour leader? 2 –...
    The Daily Blog | 21-11
  • Performance-demonstration at Auckland’s High Court to demand justice for ...
    People outraged at the lack of justice in the so-called ‘Roast Busters’ case and 99% of other rape cases in this country are holding a visually powerful mass action at the Auckland High Court at 1 o’clock on Saturday. They...
    The Daily Blog | 21-11
  • IES vote may weaken defense of public education
    PPTA announced today that secondary teachers have voted to include the IES (Investing in Education Success) as a variation to their collective employment agreement with the government. At one level it’s an understandable decision by PPTA members because through engaging in a consultation...
    The Daily Blog | 21-11
  • NZ History lesson on Planet Key – the lies white people tell themselves
    John Key’s bizarre claims about our ‘peaceful history’ comes across like the apartheid history of South Africa where white people discovered Africa first… New Zealand ‘settled peacefully’ – PM New Zealand was “settled peacefully” by the British, the prime minister...
    The Daily Blog | 20-11
  • Universal Basic Income and Labour Policy
    On Radio New Zealand’s None-to-Noon on Wednesday (19 November), new Labour leader Andrew Little intimated that he would like to put Universal Basic Income (UBI) on his policy agenda (What policy changes will Andrew Little usher in?) Predictably Kathryn Ryan, despite being...
    The Daily Blog | 20-11
  • The New Notes : They Ain’t Mint
    Hulk Queen Angry. Hulk Queen smash.   Yesterday, the Reserve Bank announced its new designs for our banknotes. Now, I’ve historically been pretty sketch about this entire process; variously feeling affronted that the government could find eighty million dollars to fund a...
    The Daily Blog | 20-11
  • MSM under-mining of new Labour Leader already begun?
    . . It did not take long. In fact, on the same day that Andrew Little won the Labour leadership*, the first media reporter was already asking if he would be stepping down  if Labour failed to lift in the...
    The Daily Blog | 20-11
  • GUEST BLOG: Simon Buckingham – invisible disability voices
    Today I am ranting. The Disability Advisory Group has been announced by Auckland Council. This is the body that represents the interests and views of people with disabilities in Auckland. Whilst I would not have applied this time as I...
    The Daily Blog | 20-11
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Andrew Little
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Andrew Little...
    The Daily Blog | 20-11
  • Why labelling Little as a ‘Unionist’ is a joke and how he beats Key in ...
    The line being used to attack Andrew Little as a ‘Unionist’ is just an absurd joke, and it comes from people who clearly don’t understand the modern NZ Union movement. Andrew ran the EPM Bloody U, they are easily one...
    The Daily Blog | 19-11
  • 5AA Australia – Labour’s New Leader + China’s President In New Zealan...
    Recorded on 20/11/14 – Captured Live on Ustream.tv. 5AA’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning.ISSUE ONE: The New Zealand Labour Party has elected its new leader, the vote going to a third round after no clear outright winner was found in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-11
  • Did Roger Sutton think he was running the Rock Radio Station?
    Visible G-String Fridays? Full body hugs? Jokes about who you would and wouldn’t have sex with? Honey? Sweety? It’s like Roger thought he was running the Rock Radio Station, not a Government Public Service department set up to rebuild a...
    The Daily Blog | 19-11
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    The Daily Blog | 19-11
  • Amnesty International – The conversation that needs to be had with China
    Caption: Police officer watching Hong Kong pro-democracy march, 01 July 2014 © Amnesty International    Yesterday’s edition of The New Zealand Herald features an open letter to all New Zealander’s from Xi Jinping, President of the People’s Republic of China. Along...
    The Daily Blog | 19-11
  • GUEST BLOG: Patrick O’Dea – “Liar”
    LIAR! ‘Privatised social housing to benefit tenants’ English “Housing Corp was a poor performer and about a third of its housing stock was the wrong size, in poor condition and in the wrong place. That stock was worth about $5...
    The Daily Blog | 19-11
  • Too Close For Comfort: Reflections on Andrew Little’s narrow victory over...
    THE TRAGIC SCREENSHOT of “Gracinda” in defeat bears eloquent testimony to the bitter disappointment of the Grant Robertson-led faction of the Labour Party. And, yes, ‘Party’ is the right word. The Robertson machine has now extended its influence well beyond...
    The Daily Blog | 19-11
  • How to defeat child poverty
      How to defeat child poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-11
  • Little’s Shadow Cabinet
    Now the horror of trying to pacify the factions begins. The only thing Little’s new shadow cabinet must do is create the pretence of unity. The reason voters didn’t flock to Labour wasn’t the bloody CGT or Superannuation, it was...
    The Daily Blog | 18-11
  • A pilgrimage with my sister – Rethink the System
    We’ve both wanted to do a pilgrimage for many years. But, unlike many modern pilgrims, we wanted to be pilgirms in our own country and get closer to our communities, rather than seek greater distance from them. We are both...
    The Daily Blog | 18-11
  • Lack of policy ambition is Andrew Little’s main problem
    I’ve met Andrew Little a few times and he’s a pleasant man who will make a reasonable job leading what the Labour Party has become in recent decades. He will preside over a much less divided caucus and will be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-11
  • Journos, film makers, media freedom advocates join Asia-Pacific political j...
    A candlelight vigil for the 58 victims of the 2009 Maguindanao massacre – 32 of them media people. Still no justice for them today. Renowned investigative journalists, film makers, academics and media freedom campaigners from across the Asia-Pacific region will...
    The Daily Blog | 18-11
  • And the new Labour Leader is ZZZZZZZZZZ
    The victory lap by Caucus over the members choice of Cunliffe has ended and the new leader of the Labour Party is Andrew Little. Yawn. The dullness and caution of the latest Leadership race will be served well by Andrew,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-11
  • Allow the Facts to Get in the Way of the Neolib Stories
    One of the weaknesses of the political left in New Zealand over the last 30 years has been to allow the neoliberal storytellers to get away with lots of fibs and half-fibs. On TVNZ’s Q+A on 16 November, in a...
    The Daily Blog | 17-11
  • Defending The Boomers: A Response to Chloe King
    THE BABY-BOOM GENERATION (49-68 year-olds) currently numbers just under a quarter of New Zealand’s population. Even so, there is a pervasive notion that the generation of New Zealanders born between the end of World War II and the mid-1960s exercises...
    The Daily Blog | 17-11
  • This weeks Waatea news column – Waitangi Tribunal ruling enshrines Treaty...
      This weeks Waatea news column – Waitangi Tribunal ruling enshrines Treaty as a living document...
    The Daily Blog | 16-11
  • Key now says SAS will be needed to protect ‘trainers’ behind the wire
    Well, well, well. What do we have here? Government could send SAS to Iraq New Zealand’s elite Special Air Service (SAS) could be deployed to Iraq to protect Kiwi troops sent to train local forces. Prime Minister John Key confirmed...
    The Daily Blog | 16-11
  • Do You Want to Build a Meth Lab? (Frozen x Breaking Bad Parody)
    Do You Want to Build a Meth Lab? (Frozen x Breaking Bad Parody)...
    The Daily Blog | 16-11
  • Soft soap for the rich – harsh taxes for the poor
    It’s no surprise to see New Zealand has one of the world’s lowest tax rates for the rich and the superrich. A survey by the global accounting network UHY shows New Zealand’s highest tax rates are lower than even Australia,...
    The Daily Blog | 16-11
  • Phillip Smith and the rehabilitation process
    The dominant media narrative in horrible murder cases is that the perpetrator is unlikely ever to be rehabilitated. When it appears the offender may get parole the media turns first to family members of the victim who commonly (and understandably)...
    The Daily Blog | 16-11
  • The Nation review: Finlayson’s terrifying definition of who is on terror ...
    Terrifying Nation today on TV3. Chris Finlayson is on justifying the Government’s Muslim fear mongering and extension of even more surveillance powers. It was jaw dropping. Finlayson says ‘alienated people with a chip on their shoulder’ is the threshold to get...
    The Daily Blog | 14-11
  • A brief word on The Block NZ
    Is it just me or did The Block manage to sum up everything that is wrong about our culture and economy? Fetishised property speculation as mass entertainment in a country of homelessness & poverty. I wonder if State House tenants...
    The Daily Blog | 14-11
  • Waitangi Tribunal ruling
    That spluttering choking sound of a thousand rednecks being informed Maori still have sovereignty is a hilarious cacophony of stupid… Crown still in charge: Minister Chris Finlayson on Waitangi Treaty ruling The Waitangi Tribunal’s finding that Maori chiefs who signed...
    The Daily Blog | 14-11
  • A brief word on Phillip Smith
    We can arrest student loan & fine defaulters at the airport – but not convicted child molesting killers? Before we ban manufactured ISIS ‘terrorists’ from having passports, how about we just manage to stop child molesting killers from fleeing first?...
    The Daily Blog | 14-11
  • Free Me From Religion
          The meeting begins – or at least it’s supposed to begin – but someone interrupts proceedings. She wants everyone to pray with their heads bowed while she can “thank our Father who art in Heaven.” I close...
    The Daily Blog | 14-11
  • Key capitulates on TPPA while big money NZ set up propaganda fund
    So Key has capitulated on the ‘gold standard’ of free trade deals… The primary objective for New Zealand at Apec was to see some urgency injected into the TPP talks and to keep leaders aiming for a high quality deal....
    The Daily Blog | 13-11
  • Why Phillip Smith is the least of our worries
    Well, it turns out Phillip Smith wasn’t half as clever as he thought he was, and he’s been arrested within a week. If the Prime Minister is through with making tasteless jokes, perhaps we can ramp down the media hysteria...
    The Daily Blog | 13-11
  • Constraining Credibility
      Most economists and members of the public – on both the right and the left – believe that economies are constrained by resource scarcity most of the time. In this view, economies are supply-constrained, and that the economic problem...
    The Daily Blog | 13-11
  • Migrant Labour, exploitation and free markets
    Once more we read about a horror story of virtual slavery for a migrant worker in a restaurant in Christchurch. The silver lining that in this case compensation should be paid is not assured. Often in situations like this the employer winds up...
    The Daily Blog | 13-11
  • On baby boomers who give my generation unhelpful advice: JUST DON’T
    One of my mum’s colleagues recently told her that there is no money in what her daughter was doing; volunteering at a women’s refuge and writing on politics. This guy, dispensing all his pearls of wisdom, told my mother that...
    The Daily Blog | 13-11
  • Morbid Symptoms: Can Labour Be Born Anew?
    THE CHAIRS in the final meeting venue have been stacked away. All that expensive signage, commissioned for the benefit of the television cameras, no longer has a purpose. For the second time in just 14 months, Labour’s Leadership Contest is...
    The Daily Blog | 12-11
  • What’s Small, White, and Having Trouble Attracting New People?
    If your answer was something intimately connected to the person of Peter Dunne … then you’d be right. Last night, P-Dunney decided to bring his comedy and/or hair stylings to the twitterverse; penning a potentially somewhat ill-advised tweet in which he compared...
    The Daily Blog | 12-11
  • LATE at the Auckland Museum review – Slacktivisim: Its not just for Slack...
    Monday night is my yoga night. I’m not really very good it, I don’t really have the bendy, but I made a New Years resolution. This Monday however, I decided to put the yoga on prone and attend a gig...
    The Daily Blog | 12-11
  • Domestic violence problem bigger than Sky Tower
    Domestic violence problem bigger than Sky Tower SKYCITY’s Sky Tower in Auckland will be lit up in white on Monday evening Nov 25th at 10pm, on the eve of White Ribbon Day. The anti-domestic violence network SAFTINET (Safer Auckland Families...
    Scoop politics | 23-11
  • State Services Commissioner ‘unfit for the job’ says Little
    State Services Commissioner ‘unfit for the job’ says Little The new Labour leader Andrew Little has called for the State Services Commissioner Iain Rennie to be stood down after his handling of the Roger Sutton sexual harassment case. "The idea...
    Scoop politics | 23-11
  • Patrick Gower interviews Laila Harre
    Patrick Gower interviews Laila Harre Headlines: Laila Harre to quit as Internet Party leader by Christmas when the party has completed its review, but would love to return to parliament Says party considering options for its future including winding...
    Scoop politics | 22-11
  • Lisa Owen interviews Labour leader Andrew Little
    Lisa Owen interviews Labour leader Andrew Little Headlines: Andrew Little says the shape of his front-bench for the 2017 election may not be clear until the end of next year Indicates next week’s appointments may be temporary: “So I may...
    Scoop politics | 22-11
  • Phillip John Smith – statement
    Police and the New Zealand Embassy in Brasilia are aware of a decision from the Brazil Federal Court requiring the deportation of Phillip Smith within 10 days. Further assessment is required to ensure there is a full understanding of this...
    Scoop politics | 22-11
  • Green’s ‘not speaking out about human rights abuses in China
    Right to Life challenges Russell Norman the co-leader of the Green Party to explain why, he was prepared to ask Prime Minister John Key to talk to Chinese President Xi Jinping about human rights abuses in countries bordering China but...
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • Goodfellow congratulates Key on IDU election
    Goodfellow congratulates Key on IDU election National Party President Peter Goodfellow has congratulated Prime Minister John Key on his election today as Chairman of the International Democrat Union (IDU)....
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • Taxpayers’ Union Congratulates PM on IDU Appointment
    The Taxpayers’ Union is today congratulating Rt. Hon. John Key on becoming the Chair of the International Democrat Union , as former Australian Prime Minister John Howard retires from the role after 12 years. Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director...
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • High demand for Consumer NZ’s “Do Not Knock” stickers
    Consumer NZ has distributed nearly 100,000 “Do Not Knock” stickers since the launch of its campaign to fight back against dodgy door-to-door sellers.The “Do Not Knock” campaign was launched on 3 November 2014. Free “Do Not Knock” stickers...
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • Phillip Smith decision still pending
    Detective Superintendent Mike Pannett is returning to Washington DC where he will continue to closely monitor a pending decision from the Brazilian authorities on the process to return Phillip Smith to New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • High Court demonstration to demand justice
    People outraged at the lack of justice in the so-called ‘Roast Busters’ case and 99% of other rape cases in this country are holding a visually powerful mass action at the Auckland High Court at 1 o’clock on Saturday. They...
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • NZ Society Wins Global Award For Fighting Animal Testing
    New Zealand banning animal testing of legal highs has been acknowledged with an award given in London. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) was awarded the 2014 LUSH Prize for lobbying against animal testing. The prize was given at the...
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • Poor govt advice to workers on petrol station drive-offs
    The New Zealand Council of Trade Unions has raised concerns with the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment ('MBIE') regarding their reported advice to workers about the petrol station drive away issue....
    Scoop politics | 21-11
  • New Ombudsman opinion
    The Ombudsman has published his opinion on a complaint concerning the Police refusal to release information about a charging decision....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • Kindergarten support staff achieve pay rise in tough climate
    The valuable contribution of kindergarten support staff has been recognised with a pay increase, despite the significant funding cuts that the kindergarten associations are experiencing....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • Democracy and Conservative Religion: The Case of Islam
    “Is Islam compatible with democracy?” is a frequently-asked question. Recent rethinking of secularism and democracy have opened up new possibilities to think about religion and democracy. This question is important particularly in the case...
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • NZ fiscal watchdog needed to guard the public purse
    New Zealand needs tighter fiscal rules and an independent watchdog to improve the quality of government spending and reduce the risk of a return to deficit spending as the country’s population ages, if not before....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • NZSMI disappointed ANZTPA proposal shelved
    November 20, 2014: Consumer healthcare products industry body, the New Zealand Self-Medication Industry Association (SMI) says it is disappointed Government has once again shelved plans to create one medicines regulatory agency for both New Zealand and Australia....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • Democracy Action Welcomes Tauranga Vote
    Responding to Tauranga Council’s unanimous vote not to establish separate Council seats on the basis of ethnicity, Lee Short, Democracy Action founder says: “The establishment of a Maori ward would have damaged the relationship between Maori and...
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • Employer caught abusing new ‘teabreaks law’
    Employer caught abusing new ‘teabreaks law’ to exploit workers The government passed the controversial ‘teabreaks’ legislation only a few weeks ago and already Unite Union has caught an employer using this law as an excuse for ill-treating their...
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • FGC response to Commerce Commission report
    The New Zealand Food & Grocery Council is not surprised by the Commerce Commission’s findings, given New Zealand’s current legal framework....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • Bascand: Brighter Money
    Seeing people’s initial reactions to the new banknote designs is a heartening reminder of what an important role currency plays in our lives, and what a sense of pride and heritage our notes evoke....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • RBNZ releases Brighter Money designs
    New Zealand’s banknotes are getting brighter and better, with the Reserve Bank today unveiling more vibrant and secure banknote designs which will progressively enter circulation later next year....
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • 25 years of children’s rights
    UNICEF and OFC celebrate 25 years of children’s rights with Just Play Sports Days On Universal Children’s Day (20 November) and as part of the Oceania Football Confederation’s (OFC) inaugural President’s Cup, UNICEF will celebrate 25 years of children’s...
    Scoop politics | 20-11
  • Xiamen delegation to Wellington has business focus
    Stronger business, education and cultural ties with our Chinese partners will be the focus when a 20-strong government and business delegation led by Xiamen Mayor Mr Liu Keqing which visits Wellington tomorrow (Friday) and Saturday as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Warriors promote White Ribbon Day message
    Warriors promote White Ribbon Day message Shine and Orakei Health Services On Tuesday, the Vodafone Warriors will promote the White Ribbon Day message to the community at Eastridge Shopping Centre, Mission Bay. The Warriors are supporting their charity...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Superannuitants to protest unethical investments
    A delegation of Auckland superannuitants will deliver a protest-card petition and protest letter to the New Zealand Super Fund this Thursday afternoon to call on the fund to divest from companies which support the Israeli occupation of Palestinian...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Manukau job cuts ‘running the place into the ground’
    Manukau Institute of Technology (MIT) confirmed to its staff yesterday that 54 jobs will go before Christmas....
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Newcore Looks Pretty Rotten for Ratepayers
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that the IT system commissioned by Auckland Council to consolidate the eight systems the Super City inherited from its precursor councils could be facing a budget blowout of $100 million, Taxpayers’ Union Spokesman Ben...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Accountability following quake response inquiry not achieved
    Lessons still need to be learned from the search and rescue efforts following the February 2011 earthquake in Christchurch, a leading New Zealand lawyer, Nigel Hampton QC, says....
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Our kids say: We are failing in our duty to protect them
    Our kids say: We are failing in our duty to protect them More than a quarter of Kiwi kids say children’s right to be safe and protected isn’t being upheld in New Zealand, identifying protection from violence, abuse and murder...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • PARS & Turuki Health Care collaborate on health and services
    Auckland-based PARS (People at Risk Solutions) have partnered with the Turuki Health Care Trust, to offer improved healthcare services to those in need. PARS works closely with former prisoners, providing mentoring, housing, and social services to ensure...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Children’s Plea
    A plea has been sent to all Members of Parliament, regardless of party affiliation, to accord urgency and priority to children's issues. These issues include vulnerability, safety and childhood poverty....
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Treasury off track in search for sound policies
    Treasury is unlikely to find the ideas it is looking for to improve outcomes for children while its primary driver is cost-cutting, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Commission calls for answers on handling of CERA harassment
    EEO Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue is deeply concerned about the way in which the State Services Commission has handled sexual allegations made against CERA chief executive Roger Sutton this week and is calling for answers....
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Ashley Dwayne Guy v The Queen: Appeal Upheld
    The appellant, Mr Guy, was found guilty by a jury of a charge of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection. After the verdict it was discovered that, by error, the jury had been provided in the jury room with two...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • Zonta Club to Take a Stand Against Gender-Based Violence
    During the 16 Days of Activism against Gender Violence (25 November – 10 December), the Zonta Club of Wellington, along with members of the local community, will join nearly 1,200 Zonta clubs in 67 countries for the Zonta Says NO...
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • New UNFPA report links progress and power to young people
    A UN report launched today calls for investment in young people as they are essential to social and economic progress....
    Scoop politics | 19-11
  • The Resignation with the Golden Handshake?
    Commenting on the settlement the State Services Commission has reached with former CERA CEO Roger Sutton, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says: "Only in the public sector do you receive a payout for ‘resigning’....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • NZ must not turn a blind eye to China’s human rights record
    Amnesty International is calling on New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key to raise China’s shameful human rights record during President Xi Jinping’s visit to New Zealand this week....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • The Resignation with the Golden Handshake?
    Commenting on the settlement the State Services Commission has reached with former CERA CEO Roger Sutton, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director, Jordan Williams, says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • Treasury’s covert & extremely odd welfare consultation
    A report this morning that Treasury is ‘crowd sourcing’ ideas on welfare policy is news to Auckland Action Against Poverty, even though we are currently one of the most active groups in the area....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • NZ invites Pacific peers to review development cooperation
    New Zealand has volunteered to be the first development partner in the Pacific region to undergo a review of its aid programme by Pacific island peers. The review will focus on New Zealand’s development cooperation and will give greater insight...
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • EPMU joins Pike River families to mark fourth anniversary
    Representatives of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union are proud to stand with the Pike River families to mark four years since 29 men lost their lives. “This is a particularly solemn day given the recent announcements of Solid Energy...
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • 2013 Assessment of New Zealand’s National Integrity Systems
    SPEAKER TUILOMA NERONI SLADE: Former Judge, International Criminal Court in the Hague, former legal counsel at the Commonwealth Secretariat, Secretary-General of the Pacific Islands Forum 2008-2014. Introduced by Helen Sutch, Victoria University Council,...
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • Green Party ignoring Waimea’s environmental benefits
    Green Party MP Catherine Delahunty has overlooked the environmental benefits the proposed Waimea Community Dam will bring the Tasman community, says IrrigationNZ Chairperson Nicky Hyslop....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • Women’s use of violence in violent relationships
    More than 80 percent of women who live with a physically violent partner will not initiate violence when they are not being hit, according to new research....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • Poor credit rating linked to poor cardiovascular health
    Poor credit rating linked to poor cardiovascular health A credit score doesn’t only boil down a person’s entire financial history to a single number and somehow predict their credit-worthiness, it might also be saying something about a person’s...
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • State Services Commissioner on Roger Sutton Investigation
    State Services Commissioner Iain Rennie today said the investigation into Roger Sutton’s conduct was robust. Roger Sutton chose to resign as Chief Executive of the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority (CERA) yesterday....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
  • Predator Free NZ project welcomed
    Federated Farmers and the conservation organisation Forest & Bird are welcoming the Predator Free New Zealand initiative as an ambitious but achievable project that will have real benefits for conservation and the economy....
    Scoop politics | 18-11
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