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The flag diversion

Written By: - Date published: 11:44 am, January 30th, 2014 - 119 comments
Categories: david cunliffe, election 2014, john key, national, same old national, uncategorized - Tags: ,

Tangata whenua flag

Election year is now upon us and both National and Labour have started aggressively.

National knows that its prospects for the election are not good.  With no viable coalition partners it has been forced to talk up the Conservative Party and make overtures to NZ First.  Key no longer has the option of pretending to be principled when it comes to doing deals with Winston Peters.

National has also been forced to consider adopting Labour Policy.  Suddenly it supports paid parental leave, and it is working out what is the minimum it can do to  make it look sympathetic yet more fiscally disciplined than Labour.  It obviously understands that supporting rich corporates and not supporting families is political poison.

The cynicism is extreme and voters should be reminded that National voted against Labour’s introduction of paid parental leave in 2002 and also voted against Sue Moroney’s bill in 2012 as well as announcing that it would veto the bill.  Its recent conversion is no doubt due more to focus group data than a real belief that the state should help young families so that their babies have the best start possible.  I am sure that voters can distinguish between the committed and the cynical.

National has launched a sustained attack on Labour’s Best Start Policy.  It seems there was a bit of wriggle room in the speech language and instead of David Cunliffe saying that 59,000 kiwis would receive Best Start for the first 12 months he should have said that 33,000 would receive it for 12 months and 26,000 would receive paid parental leave for 6 months and Best Start for the next six months.    But really, is this justification for the beatup?  In either case support for young families would be significantly improved.  And no doubt if there is justification for this to occur the policy can be changed so that Best Start and paid parental leave can both be paid at the same time.

The Herald is doing its best to help the Government.  It has been publishing a particularly negative photograph about Cunliffe taken at the Monday speech.  And as Karol has pointed out it has chosen to interview an employee of the far right Maxim Institute to provide comment on the benefits or otherwise of Best Start.

Growly Cunliffe

TV3 initially came out swinging but has now backed away from its former position.  It accepts that 33,000 kiwi families will get Best Start for the full year and another 26,000 will get paid parental leave for 6 months and Best Start for the next six months.  David Cunliffe accepts that the drafting of the particular passage of the speech could have been better.  TV3 has described the incident as a blunder in an otherwise popular policy.  It is good to see that TV3 has backed off its previous description.

The overall impression is that National is playing catch up on this issue and is maintaining peripheral attacks on the detail of the policy in an attempt to denigrate it.  Once the effects of this initial bluster wears off I am sure that the policy will be popular.

So what does Key do?  He announces an review of the country’s flag.

This is an interesting tactic by him.  His base, the conservative farmer sorts hate any change, particularly one that would suggest that New Zealand is a proud independent nation rather than an adjunct to the United Kingdom.  He obviously thinks that he can burn some political capital with his base and gain support from his less secure supporters.

His proposal, that the Government comes up with an alternative flag and then at this election a referendum is run on which flag should be the country’s flag, is undemocratic in itself and will probably fail.  It would be much better for there to be a simple question, should a new flag be adopted, and then the public be allowed to propose alternative designs with the best subject to some sort of selection process.

It does not need to be done this year.  I agree with Key that this debate would be a distraction during election year where much more important issues than the particular characteristics of a piece of fabric need to be discussed.

But you have to wonder at the timing.  Could it be that Key prefers us to concentrate on what a piece of fabric should look like rather than what we are going to do about child poverty?

119 comments on “The flag diversion”

  1. Meg 1

    While I do support the idea to look at a new flag, it has come out of no where from Key and smacks of desperation.

    • weka 1.1

      It came out of Key’s sleeve, where NACT have been keeping it specifically for when they need to use it as a distraction from Labour. They couldn’t use Bene-bashing Bennett this time because it would make them look vindictive and anti-family.

      • AmaKiwi 1.1.1

        Murphy’s Law: When planning a new $100 million factory, the board will spend more time deciding where to put the water coolers than deciding whether the factory should be built.

        Why? Because everyone can have an opinion about water coolers.

        So let’s argue about the flag and ignore the country’s social, economic, and environmental fiascoes.

        How many more of these b.s. diversions can Key pull out his ass before the election?

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.1.1.1

          Brings to mind the old saying “To fiddle while Rome burns”:

          “To ‘fiddle while Rome burns‘ refers to the belief that the infamous Emperor Nero played the lyre (there were no fiddles yet) while Rome was burning.

          Nero was rumoured to have started the fire to clear space for his Domus Aurea.

          Idiomatically it means someone is doing nothing about a serious problem.”

          http://www.ancientl.com/roman/idioms-greek-hebrew/

    • It’s ironic that the people who claimed changing the flag was a vital step to redefining ourselves as an egalitarian modern nation now see it as a “distraction” because somebody they don’t like is proposing it.

      It was a distraction when Helen Clark talked about it, too.

      • Murray Olsen 1.2.1

        That worries me a bit as well. However, I don’t think Key is particularly interested at all in getting the Union Jack off our flag (Sir John?) and I don’t think an All Black jersey with the sleeves cut off is an inspired choice.

        • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 1.2.1.1

          “…I don’t think an All Black jersey with the sleeves cut off is an inspired choice.”

          LOL

  2. captain hook 2

    Keys version looks like a melanoma!

  3. ianmac 3

    Key is giving the fingers to NZers by proposing a referendum after totally rubbishing the outcome of the previous one.

    The only Leader being interviewed re the Key/flag distraction, who wondered just why now, was Hone. Exactly Hone. Why now!

    A choice between the present flag and one chosen by Cabinet is another kick in the guts for Kiwis. Arrogance?

  4. Bill 4

    According to the electoral commission or whatever they’re called, a referendum will cost about $10 million. The recent postal referendum on a far more serious matter was slammed as a waste of money ($10 million) by John Key.

    I really hope the Greens and Labour, if asked about their position on this, point out JKs hypocrisy on $10 million spendng, the fact that far more serious issues occupy their time, suggest it’s the same for most people, and knock this fucked up potential waste of $10 million into touch quick smart.

    • weka 4.1

      A referendum held a general election costs much less.

      • Bill 4.1.1

        Just heard the electoral commission on Radio NZ give a $10 million costing.

        • veutoviper 4.1.1.1

          And the spokesperson also said on RNZ National’s midday report that it was about the same cost as a postal referendum. The spokesperson also said that it would now be a logistical nightmare to have t the referendum with this year’s general election.

          This is not yet up as a separate item on the RNZ website but is about 10 minutes in to the overall Midday Report recording http://www.radionz.co.nz/radionz/programmes/news-bulletin/audio/2584019/radio-new-zealand-news

          • weka 4.1.1.1.1

            Is the cost the same because they have to rush it? I thought part of the argument against the last one was that it was more costly to hold stand alone referenda than ones at a general election.

            • veutoviper 4.1.1.1.1.1

              I don’t know weka. I was a little surprised at the comment by the Electoral Commission spokeswoman that the costs were pretty much the same, as I also thought that in the past (including re the assets sales referendum) the argument had been that stand-alone referenda cost more that those held with general elections.

              RNZ have now put up a separate item on the logistics etc of holding the referendum but the only recording they have included is the segment from Morning Report. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/234665/flag-referendum-would-be-major-exercise\

              This link does not include the specific comments from the EC spokeswoman on costings so the only way to hear what she said is to endure the first 10 minutes or so of the full Midday Report recording I linked to in 4.1.1.1 above.

              • weka

                Thanks, that is curious.

                • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill)

                  Yeah, not so curious that we would be under the impression that the postal referendum cost more than one done at a general election:

                  This being because we got our information from mainstream media sources – who appear to specialise in conveying inaccurate, or just plain wrong, information.

                  **note to self: must remember to be even more sceptical of what I read and hear from mainstream media sources,**

    • geoff 4.2

      I really hope the Greens and Labour, if asked about their position on this, point out JKs hypocrisy on $10 million spendng, the fact that far more serious issues occupy their time, suggest it’s the same for most people, and knock this fucked up potential waste of $10 million into touch quick smart.

      Fucking good point, Bill!

  5. Wairua 5

    I believe that a new New Zealand flag may appropriately be a giant Red Herring on a background of your choice ..

  6. McFlock 6

    Asked whether a flag debate could overshadow the Government’s messages about more important issues such as the economy, Mr Key said: “That’s always a risk and that’s one of the things we would have to consider.”

    I’m sure he’d be saddened and disadvantaged if his economic management were overshadowed by bits of coloured cloth fluttering in the breeze.
    yeah, right.

  7. Tiger Mountain 7

    A diversion.

    Nation states are fading from favour in the era of global capitalism and free trade, borders mean less than before, useful only to whip up nationalism for commercial sporting rivalry or racism against immigrants and refugees.

    The 85 supreme bludgers that according to Oxfam own more than the poorest 3.5 billion of earth’s citizens, shift their squillions around the globe digitally. They could perhaps do with a new flag–the Jolly Roger?

    A new kiwi flag is easy, just a copy of the US one and replace the stars with logos–Warner Bros, the Aussie Banks etc.

  8. Clemgeopin 8

    Here is my opinion on it:

    [1] Key is trying desperately to raise a red herring to distract people during this election year because he is sensing that he and his party and coalition partners are going to lose this coming election and/or, Key is trying to create an immortal legacy for himself by pushing this issue forward now and wanting a referendum on it at the election this year!

    [2] During this year, people should be more focused on political party policies and leaders and not be distracted by Key’s cunning tactics of introducing what is at present an unnecessary and absolutely non urgent ‘change of flag’ issue.

    [3] In my opinion, the flag issue should be raised sometime in the near or distant future when the people are ready to change to a Republic.

    [4] And at that time, it would be very fair and good to incorporate some Maori cultural aspect too in the design.

    ———————–

    I think it would be good idea for the leaders of opposition parties to expose Key’s cunning ploy.

    A matter such as the change of flag of a country is a serious issue and needs some time, a few years of discussion and careful consideration, different designs incorporating history, aspirations and culture.

    The ideal time would be when and if the nation is ready to become a Republic.

    Perhaps a campaign needs to be started to thwart Key’s cunning trick by pushing the point that it is too hasty to change the flag at this time. The discussion and debate needs at least a couple of years.

    If Key still decides and insists on a referendum this year itself, then, among others, ONE of the choices in the vote should be
    (..) This is not the right time to change the flag.

    • weka 8.1

      Good points and a nice counterpoint to Key Inc wanting a new logo.

    • mickysavage 8.2

      Agreed Clemgeopin. When the current monarch shuffles off I think it is a good time to discuss a change to a republic and this would also be a good time for a debate about the flag.

      • Clemgeopin 8.2.1

        Yes, and if we then decide to remain with the monarchy and not become a republic, we could then still have a debate whether to change the flag or not.

    • Clemgeopin 8.3

      I also think that a referendum result on such a serious issue as change of one’s nation’s flag should be valid not just on a simple 50% plus majority, but on an overwhelming majority such as 2/3 rds (67%) or 3/4 rs(75%}. Do you agree?

    • ianmac 8.4

      Clemgeopin.
      (5) Mr Key knows that his time as PM is running out so it is now or never to establish his fame (or infamy.)

      • Clemgeopin 8.4.1

        Yes, to offset his historical infamous legacy of pro-wealthy policies, pro-corporate and big business largesse, stupid asset sales and anti-worker, anti-poor, anti-freedom laws.

  9. Poission 9

    Correct call,it is a diversion to deflect from Wheelers OCR statement.Which is the constraint on policy objectives and projections.

  10. framu 10

    and a diversion that will rapidly backfire

    people are already seeing straight through this, and thats before we even start to factor in the RSA pointing out that the very year Key wants a ref is the same year as… 100 years since gallipoli

    also – doesnt a ref have to be a yes/no answer? (ie: it cant be a “pick a or pick b” question)

    • Tracey 10.1

      It can be should the nz flag change…

      And prior advise thatf if majority says yes then another ref or a group present 3 choices

      I favour a new flag. Like hun terwassers. But 10m will fund bones food in schools programme wont it…

      • framu 10.1.1

        except thats not what key is quoted as intending

        according to reports he wants to pick one with his cabinet and then present that as the only option without even asking if the change is first wanted

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 10.2

      the very year Key wants a ref is the same year as… 100 years since gallipoli

      My grandfather served at Gallipoli, and his gravestone is engraved with his name, rank, unit, and a Silver Fern.

      • framu 10.2.1

        well i guess thats why the rsa have come out and said that they oppose changing the flag then isnt it

      • Tracey 10.2.2

        Do you think it is one of the top 10 issues facing nz?

        How do you reconcile the pm wanting to spend millions on a referendum when he thought the last one was a waste of money?

  11. Tracey 11

    Law society today criticised the use of urgency this govt as a reach of human rights… national responds with a new flag a d a royal visit… get rid of union jack and fawn over royals. No contradiction there.

  12. BM 12

    I think Key should be congratulated for raising the debate on should we keep or change the flag.

    From what I’ve read, seen and heard the general consensus is that people feel that politicians are only in it for themselves and never listen to what the voters says.

    By raising the flag topic, it provides a platform that everyone can get involved with, offer an opinion,have a say and vote on what our flag will be, makes people think their opinions count for something.

    They don’t call John Key, the PM of the people for nothing.

    • weka 12.1

      “the PM of the people for nothing”

      lolz.

      • McFlock 12.1.1

        Oh man, I just had a horrible thought – maybe our local tories are all being controlled by alien brain parasites, but the human hosts occasionally manage to phrase things in such a way that they type the truth without the parasite noticing?

        Sort of Stargate meets Torchwood:Children of Earth.

      • risildowgtn 12.1.2

        +100000
        needed a good laugh

    • Tracey 12.2

      You mean like with the assets sales referendum

      • srylands 12.2.1

        asset sales (sic) were not a suitable topic for a referendum. The flag is a suitable topic.

        • Ross 12.2.1.1

          srylands,

          You would have to be a moron. Why don’t you bugger off to Farrar’s site unless you can engage your brain.

    • Clemgeopin 12.3

      BS, unless you are being sarcastic!

    • framu 12.4

      “By raising the flag topic, it provides a platform that everyone can get involved with, offer an opinion,have a say and vote on what our flag will be, makes people think their opinions count for something.”

      no – thats bollocks. Key intends to put forward his idea and then ask us to pick the current flag or his brainfart. Please point out where that process does anything you claim it does

      • BM 12.4.1

        no – thats bollocks. Key intends to put forward his idea and then ask us to pick the current flag or his brainfart. Please point out where that process does anything you claim it does

        If Key was an idiot he’d do what you suggested.

        But he’s not, this is a feel good, patriotic rah rah gesture, the whole process will be as inclusive as possible.
        I would expect there to be a TV series called something like

        Our National Flag- your vote, your choice…
        where all the flag artists and their designs are show cased and people get to vote on the different designs to narrow the choice down to maybe 3 designs + the existing flag.

        Those chosen designs then become the choices of the referendum.

        • Hayden 12.4.1.1

          …this is a feel good, patriotic rah rah gesture…

          Jeez, that’s a bit cynical, isn’t it?

        • Clemgeopin 12.4.1.2

          You know this how? No such idea was stated by Key yet!

        • framu 12.4.1.3

          “He said that finding a consensus on a new flag would be difficult and if ministers backed a change, the Government would decide on a design and ask the public to vote for or against it.

          “We have to make it simple,” he said yesterday”

          so its not what i suggested – its what key is quoted as intending to do

          link

          Please point out where that process does anything you claim it does

          • felix 12.4.1.3.1

            “Please point out where that process does anything you claim it does”

            Well it does show that Key is an idiot, just like BM said. So that’s something.

        • Tracey 12.4.1.4

          Do you ever go back later and re-read things you wrote here?

        • risildowgtn 12.4.1.5

          No
          Its diversion tactics.

    • Rosie 12.5

      Lol, who calls him the PM of the People? Puppet of the Corporates more like!

    • miravox 12.6

      “I think Key should be congratulated for raising the debate on should we keep or change the flag”

      I dunno, I reckon this should be part of the constitutional review his government set up. He’s got the report, why not wait until the recommendations are presented in a cohesive way forward?

      I guess he only wants the public concerned with the symbols of state rather that the workings of the State.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 12.6.1

        Plus one Miravox.

        No need for your opinion of whether we should sell the country, now pick out some nice curtains.

    • They don’t call John Key, the PM of the people for nothing.

      He has to pay them? Actually, on reflection, they don’t call John Key ‘The PM of the People’ at all.

  13. Yoza 13

    There’s always the flag of the United Tribes of New Zealand. , although similarity with the St. George Cross and the fact the ‘United Tribes’ consisted of Nga Puhi with a smattering of Tainui adherents probably wouldn’t go down well anywhere south of Auckland.

  14. SpaceMonkey 14

    Desperate stuff from Key… second only to his use of WMDs to justify the GCSB and other five-eyes members from spying on New Zealand.

  15. Policy Parrot 15

    Come to think of it, isn’t this what Jenny Shipley did when faced with the likelihood she would lose power at the next election?

    “The flag debate was stirred up again in 1998 when National Party MP and Minister of Cultural Affairs Marie Hasler called for the current flag to be replaced with a silver fern on a black background. The Prime Minister, Jenny Shipley, tourism operators and others supported her suggestion. The RSA again argued in favour of the existing flag, but said that it would support a change to the flag if it was shown to be ‘the will of the people’ in a public referendum.”

    So shouldn’t the media be asking: “why bring this up now?” Smacks of distraction.

    • ianmac 15.1

      @ Policy:”So shouldn’t the media be asking: “why bring this up now?”
      The only Leader who asked that during the TV question to every Leader, was Hone.
      The only Leader who challenged the shortness of time before an Election was Winston.

      • Clemgeopin 15.1.1

        Yes, I noticed that too. It was a golden opportunity for the other opposition leaders to expose Key’s cunning bluff!

  16. MaxFletcher 16

    The timing of this ‘serious’ issue was certainly coincidental.

    “Inequality?…but but..THE FLAG!”

  17. Craig Y 17

    Hmmm. I think it’s a good idea to change the flag, but on the other hand, will it actually divert attention from core issues of economic inequality within New Zealand? No more than Colin Craig’s enthusiasm for the restoration of parental corporal punishment, I suspect. New Zealand’s voting public is nowhere near “post-materialist” enough for either. (And I’ll only become post-materialist in a post-capitalist society, thanks very much!)

  18. Craig Y 18

    But- I am a soft republican, so I support the idea of a flag change in principle. As a matter of fact, it seems to be one of those consensus parliamentary issues where there is little difference across party lines within the current Parliament. I think the left needs to steer this argument toward one in which republicanism, a new national flag and new national anthem are seen as one incremental solution to New Zealand’s democratic deficit. The other is a written constitution, and the third, of course, is a comprehensive welfare state and social citizenship that it enables.

  19. Jenny 19

    I have just heard on the radio that John Key is now saying, that he is only considering a referendum on the flag. Maybe he is starting to realise that it is on this sort of thing that sometimes electoral defeat hinges on.

    Especially if the Labour Green opposition Parties come out and say will oppose changing our nation’s the flag and think we should retain the current one. This would put New Zealand First on the spot, with their avowedly nationalist platform they could not possibly side with the Nacts. John Key must be realising by now that theis issue splitting New Zealand First away from any possible arrangement with National.

    We do not need a meaningless corporate type logo on the advice of some advertising excutives as a symbol for our country.

    • Jenny 19.1

      “It’s on the All Black’s Jersey”
      John Key

      (Along with all the other very similar corporate logos)

      The All Black’s Jersey

      Welcome to New Keyland

      Yeah Right!

      Tell John Key to shove his dirty attempt at the corporate branding of our nation.

      Bring on your referendum John Key, and we will vote it down in massive numbers, along with your government.

  20. Jenny 20

    Nikey

    “Just Do It”

    Jonkey

    “Just Did It”

  21. Jenny 21

    “How many countries in the world have a flag with an all black background?”

    No results found for “How many countries in the world have a flag with an all black background?”

  22. Jenny 22

    Will New Keylander taxpayers have to pay for the “Trade Marked” rights to the country’s new flag?

    Or will we just lease the rights until the next corporate rebranding?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9667574/Designing-a-flag-isn-t-black-and-white

    Designer Dave Clark was commissioned by the New Zealand Rugby Union in 1986 to create the first trademarked logo for the All Blacks, the silver fern design which remains today.

    Clark and his team also helped design all of the New Zealand Super Rugby team logos and names, Air New Zealand’s rebrand and the Auckland International Airport logo, among a host of other high-profile designs.

    Any new flag would need to be coloured, not just black and white, Clark said.

    Eweuu. I see a messy trademark infringement battle looming in John Key’s future.

    Or maybe, to avoid copy write infringement, and other (icky) problems we could go with pastels.

    Any new flag would need to be coloured, not just black and white, Clark said.

    “The things I’ve learnt over time is that, in terms of the colour you’re going to use, it should really try and reflect the colours of the country and the colours of this country are green and blue.”

    Any takers?

    Using black was a double-edged sword and could cause problems for a national flag, Clark said.

    “In branding and packaging, black gets used to indicate premium positioning, think chocolates or coffee.

    “In Western culture it’s also the colour of mourning, sadness and death.

    Icky

    Jenny the Banned@ Queen

    [lprent: Only a few more months to go.. ]

  23. Pretty cynical and typical move by key. The distraction aspect will frustrate labour, the inevitable choices will piss off many Māori because guess what flag won’t be considered, meanwhile the electorate will mistakenly feel that they have been given some ability to actually make change, when ironically the election is the actual change moment but this will be a nice distraction from that messy moment of politics.

    So imo key up to his usual tricks and i think any opposition has to react like Hone did after key’s recent attack on him (to support the Māori Party) – stick it back to him – get on the front foot and follow up hard. Too many free hits from key have built a feeling of overconfidence in him and rubbing his smug face in his bullshit is the best answer. Labour (in their own way and on the issues which they think are important) should use the example of Hone – does he lower his head to key – fuck no! The days of being nice to that wankey because he has pondscummed his way to the ‘top’ must be over if the left hope to get the treasury benches.

  24. newsense 24

    Time for some Kiwi/Iwi-esque shite…

    Key: The Things that Matter Labour: Our Children

    Key: The most important thing for me in politics is to change our flag Labour: One in Five NZ children in poverty

    Key and English: Paid Parental Leave is a ‘nice to have’
    Labour: 26 Weeks Paid Parental Leave and 25 hours free Early Childhood Education

    • srylands 24.1

      “Time for some Kiwi/Iwi-esque shite…”

      I hope you are not from Labour Marketing.

      Key didn’t say the flag was the most important thing.

      And there are no New Zealand children living in poverty.

      • fender 24.1.1

        Here’s something else you can sing to your cockroach, sslands. Some NZ sounds from ’81 for ya..

      • marty mars 24.1.2

        no nzchildren in poverty? – many have explained the error of your thinking, the paucity of your imagination, the boring regurgitated predictable lines you push, the idiocy of your conclusions, yet on you continue – the funny thing is you think you’re funny and you are but not for the reasons you suppose and if you ever figured that out you wouldn’t be seen again, but until then your extreme right wing views provide mirth so ta for that.

  25. Scott 25

    Part of the problem for the left, I reckon, is that the values of the left at its best – inclusiveness, equality, pluralism, and democratic debate – don’t sit well with the atavistic emotions that flags are intended to stir in the human breast. So lefties tend not to make the best flag designers:
    http://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/why-good-politics-make-for-bad-flags.html

    • Colonial Viper 25.1

      Heh, that’s sharp.

    • Chooky 25.2

      Scott …that is bullshit….many artists and designers ,in fact the greatest of them and the majority of them , have been Leftys…hence they are more than capable of designing a flag

      ( fascists dont generally make good artists or designers eg Hitler a failed artist and rejected by Disney)

      …what Key wants as a flag is most unoriginal…in fact it has been a NZ logo for years ….and quite frankly any flag Key brings in will be ceremoniously burnt around the country

      ….so I dont think it is a good idea to make a new flag out of our old silver fern as he wants

    • mickysavage 25.3

      Good stuff Scott. I am tempted to ask if we could use your post as a guestie but I would rather not buy into the Key distraction unless we have to …

      • Chooky 25.3.1

        …MS….fact is most Nation States do have flags….or do you suggest New Zealand should not have a flag at all !…….this is all very radical.

        ….Maybe New Zealand should do away with a flag altogether ….maybe we could be subsumed under the flags of China or USA or Israel or Australia to show our economic dependence and the changing of our values?…maybe we could change our flag every year or so…..as economic circumstances and and values change …or maybe we should adopt the flag of the United Nations….but if every country did this …we would not need a flag….ONE WORLD….a wee bit utopian imo

        imo…most objections to the New Zealand flag and the monarchy seem to come from Irish Catholics…or new immigrants…… however …even these people come from countries with flags

        …..and I have to say that for others subjugated by these nations these flags represent oppression too ….eg how do the Tibetans feel about the Chinese flag? or the Palestinians about the Star of David flag ….or the Aborigines feel about the Australian flag …or the countless peoples in South America and the Middle East about the Stars and Stripes?

        ….for Christs Sake even the IRA has a flag

        //www.google.co.nz/search?q=ira+flag&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=T7LqUp7AJsSNkwWOx4GoBg&ved=0CCkQsAQ&biw=1432&bih=747

        imo leave NZ flag as is but incorporate Maori flag /emblem of Maori choosing ( John Key stay well out of it)

  26. xtasy 26

    It is simple, change your pair of trousers, or your shirt, and the world will look a lot better. If you feel sick or unwell, do just that, and all problems will go away. You get sent this message endless times each day by the advertisers on media and elsewhere. So why do you doubt it?

    Do you doubt our “leader”, that he is NOT sending the “right” message to us? Oh, I fear, you are entering “dangerous territory”. Better review, rethink and join the flag debate right now, that is more important than anything else right now, as it will make us all feel a lot “better”!

    We want a “happy flag”, a “new flag” and our “leader” is so “liberal” and “inviting”, he even suggests we make our choices. What a wonderful “leader” we have, Kim Yong Key is the “best leader” we ever had. Do not doubt, it will be at your peril!

    • Chooky 26.1

      +100 xtasy

      the New Zealand flag as it stands is part of our history….it reminds us of the sacrifices of the ANZACs….it reminds us of the Treaty of Waitangi….a partnership between Maori Chiefs and the Queen Victoria

      …..and scoff as we will about New Zealand’s colonialist past it is not as bad as it could have been
      …..when I was 20 I once flew between Sydney and Canberra and sat next to an Aborigine leader…. an Australian MP….I think the first Aborigine to be an Australian MP…..He told me how much better the New Zealand Maori had had it in New Zealand with the early colonialists than the Aborigine had had it in Australia with early Australian colonialists..

      ( and I know this for a fact because i know someone whose ancestor was a chairman of an Australian bank( forget which one…probably now owns half of NZ bank accounts ) who told me his ancestor used to go shooting Aborigine for sport!..he wasnt proud of it!…..I digress)

      ….Anyway the old Aborigine MP told me how much he admired the New Zealand Maori( their fighting spirit and their adaptability) and that the New Zealand Maori were very lucky to have the Treaty of Waitangi….He had a lot of admiration for the Chiefs for signing such an agreement with the Queen and drawing up such a Treaty….he wished the Aborigine could have had such a Treaty …he had a great deal of mana

      imo the New Zealand flag should stay as is ( in respect for our very decent and brave (fighting against fascism) Maori and Pakeha ancestors who made great sacrifices in the world wars and who for the large part set out to build a socialist egalitarian NZ.. . )….But also have the Maori flag/emblem incorporated, even taking primacy , alongside the Union Jack emblem and the Southern Cross emblem….as a symbol of our founding document and legislation and people and place

      The Maori flag/emblem should be chosen by Maori….. and John Key should have no part of it

  27. xtasy 27

    This whole “flag business” is being raised at the wrong time, there are much more important things to focus on now! I would like a different and better flag, that is more representative and looks better to represent modern day NZ. But this is all a con. And too many “died” for the wrong ideas and for “flags”. It made me worried also hearing a RSA leader talk about the silver fern representing a “cowardly feather”.

    Some extremists from the other side that worshiped the flag per se were such as Horst Wessel:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcCvcGuIqfo

    Stop this worship of flags, for damned god’s or whosoever’s sake!

    Get this country sorted out, before we discuss flags and whatever petty issues! Fuck John Key, the manipulator, to distract from what matters, I’d say.

  28. Scott 28

    I’m not so sure about the lack of aesthetics of fascists, Chookie: I think that the Nazi flag, which was the product of a good deal of experimentation during the early years of the movement, is an horrifically powerful piece of design. I’m writing an essay at the moment about Benjamin Work, a Tongan-New Zealand artist with some German ancestry (there are an amazing number of Germans in Tonga) who has been covering walls in Auckland with murals that feature a distinctly Tongan version of the swastika:
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/s403x403/57942_274257892708967_1768837750_n.jpg
    Ben’s image mixes Hitler’s symbol with the pala tavake, a famous head dress worn by the Tu’i Tonga, an ancient shaman-king and the effective overlord of the Tongan Empire in the late Middle Ages. There’s a sort of malign beauty to the mural which I find quite disturbing.

    Feel free to make the post a guestie should you want to go down the path of distraction MS.

    • Chooky 28.1

      Scott…. the swastika is a very ancient symbol….not invented by the Nazis but usurped by the Nazis

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

      I have seen the swastika painted on house doors in far out places in Tibet ( and they weren’t Nazis …they had probably never heard of the Nazis)

      Most fascists are very unoriginal people…in fact I would say they are emotionally and spiritually stunted people….they should not go anywhere near the design of a Nation’s flag

  29. Philj 29

    Xox
    The USA $ symbol on our flag would be appropriate for Key’s flag.

  30. lurgee 30

    Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes a politician wondering about whether we should have a look at changing the flag is just that.

    I honestly can’t see how this could be a diversionary tactic. I credit John Key with more intelligence than that. After all, he’s wiped the floor with us twice now. Or are you suggesting that’s so easy even an idiot who thinks the public will be completely befuddled by a ploy so obvious can do that?

    I think Key has been so effective in colonising the middle ground (and some on the left so quick to abandon it in favour of a small-but-ideologically-pure corner of the debate) that he has driven many on the left quite mad. Everything has to be part of a Grand Conspiracy (possibly featuring a Needlessly Large Weather Machine and a Secret Base inside an underwater volcano). Which tells you a lot about how desperate he has made us. Every action and utterance is analysed and deconstructed to find the true motive, the real dark seedy manipulative purpose because, you know, it is impossible Key might just genuinely be wondering about whether we should have a look at changing the flag. It’s got to be something else. There has to be an ulterior motive! And we have to be the first to spot it or at least the ones braying most loudly about it.

    If Key had a motive beyond just wondering about whether we should have a look at changing the flag, I suspect it probably would be causing mischief on the left. Because – like it or not – he’s got our number. And the paranoid ramblings and aghast wailing emanating from the blogatariat prove it. An casual comment from Key, and the left is veritably turning itself inside out in an effort to show how caddish – and yet stupid – Key is, lobbing this debate into the middle of an election year. An so a lot of time and energy is wasted in Exposing John Key’s True Motive in wondering whether we should have a look at changing the flag.

    A less demoralised and desperate left would have said, “Yeah, we’ve been saying that for years, welcome to the party, John.” After all, mos of us would probably support replacing the flag , or at least talking about it. Gnashing our teeth at how duplicious Key is just makes us look sad and hopeless.

    In this case, I think he genuinely believes it is a debate worth having; and election year would be the obvious time to do it, as you’ll get a better response than with a stand-alone referendum.

    • miravox 30.1

      Yes, I credit Key with an awful lot of political skill. So much so that he would be unlikely to just muse about something that would take other political matters out of the headlines for no good reason.

      Moreover, I believe puddlegum (above) might be on to something as well.

  31. ecossemaid 31

    Keys Change The Flag Policy…….. Let’s run it up the flag pole and see who salutes the diversionary tactic!

    • Chooky 31.1

      ecossemaid +1 …like it !…….Hone Heke set a precedent and chopped down the flag pole

      http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/people/hone-heke

      …..i reckon Hone Heke’s descendants and Tuhoi take part in designing the Maori emblem part of the New Zealand flag along with Hone and his Mother Titi ….Hawarera

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ng%C4%81i_T%C5%ABhoe

      ….. which also incorporates the old flag with Southern Cross and Union Jack, which was the symbolic British party to the Treaty of Waitangi settlement with the Maori Chiefs and a founding document of New Zealand legal system…rights of Maori and ecology environmental values

  32. JM 32

    “Flags are bits of coloured cloth that governments use to first, shrink wrap people’s brains and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead.”
    Arundhati Roy

  33. Skinny 33

    While Labour has done a good job with 
    the diversion argument. If Key continues the waffle they need to step things up with. It’s an attempt by National to use the upcoming royal visit to suck Labour into the Republic debate, strange tactic when you think a flag change usually come with independence?  

     Still the same I can see Key- National and their spin merchants trying to drum up nationalistic pride, which has been a proven formula in dictatorship run regimes like Zimbabwe and say Uganda. Time to start taking the piss. Here is an idea a three headed flag, Robert, Idi & John!    

    • Chooky 33.1

      …or big nostril….squinty little “all seeing” eye….. and cow’s anus ( sort of a modern art Miro or Dali)

      transl….John Keys nose….5 eyes……NZ economy

  34. captain hook 34

    Hey we about to have the New Improved New New Zealand with 20% increase in New Improved New Zealand power.

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    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Want to lift voter participation? #futurevoter selfie this election with yo...
    As the importance of democratic engagement starts making its presence felt in the wake of the lowest voter turn out in a century, it’s time to make universal suffrage a goal again. One step towards that is nurturing the future...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • A brief word on hacked celebrity naked pictures
    Of  all the inane bullshit I’ve heard in my life, the one currently saying ‘if you take naked pictures of yourself you should expect them to be seen by everyone’ is possibly the dumbest. Deleted intimate images people take in the...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Daily Blog 2014 progressive voter guide – who to vote for to change ...
    If you want to know how to vote in a way to change this Government,  here is the electorate by electorate guide on how to strategically vote to kick National out of office. There are two votes. Electorate vote and Party...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Are Cameron Slater and Judiith Collins bare-faced liars?
    . . Are Cameron Slater and Judith Collins both bare-faced liars? Both of them. Liars? Here is why I ask… In the latest revelations, information disclosed by Rawshark/Whaledump to the NZ Herald alleges in further leaked sensitive information from  ...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • What has surprised me most about the Ashburton WINZ shootings
    The terrible deaths at a WINZ office in Ashburton took us all by surprise. Staunch poverty campaigner Sue Bradford commented before the deaths were known and was attacked by waves of twitterarti who knew best. Sue apologised but her wider...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kiri Hannifin  – Make domestic violence an election issue
    Violence against women and children continues to be a profound issue in this country.  Despite the stellar efforts of thousands of grass roots workers to support victims of violence every day, we cannot seem to stem the tide. The past...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Factchecking Key’s Leaders debate claims
    There were so many questionable facts Key threw at Cunliffe in last nights debate that I emailed a few contacts to ask if they were true. Here is the very long list of things Key said that simply were not...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • August Blog stats – TDB closing in on Kiwiblog – our final election con...
    The August blog stats are in, and The Daily Blog retains our position as the largest left wing blog in NZ with 416 374 visits last month and 667 411. Kiwi Blog who has been operating for a decade with...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – New Zealand First: Coalition of the Willing...
    There is, right now, an absolute metric truck-tonne of misinformation, lies, and willful distortion flying about on social media, in the blogosphere and even in the media and corridors of power about New Zealand First’s coalition position. Some of this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Judith Collins i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Press Leaders Debate – proof a newspaper can kill the internet
    No more beersies for you Mr Key. Seriously – was the Prime Minister drunk during this debate? I am so sickened by what passed as a Leaders debate, I will make this review short and vicious. Everyone involved in putting...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Voting starts tomorrow!
    On the telly, in the papers, on the Net, billboards on almost every street corner – it’s hard to miss the fact that there’s an election coming up. Everyone’s trying to win your vote on Election Day, September 20, (this...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry a whitewash before it has even started
    The farce whitewash that Key is trying to push through here for the inquiry into Judith Collins role in a hit on the SFO should enrage any NZer, regardless of how they vote. Whaleoil won’t be forced to appear, it’s...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Press Leaders Debate – Round 2 – 7pm tonight
    This debate is live in a Town Hall, Key has done well at these in the past, but since the hate politics exposed in Dirty Politics, expect real fury directed at Key. My guess is that Key will attempt to use whatever he...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • MANA hit speed wobbles – why Annette Sykes will win Waiariki
    MANA are my favourites. But of late, their transition from crawling to sprinting has hit some speed wobbles. Hone’s and Pam’s aggressive attitude towards the media recently is very understandable in light of how connected many of the media were to...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • Soz Cam – PaknSave boycott of whaleoil continues – time to start a boyc...
    Cam is so carcinogenic now, not even his mates in the Tobacco Industry are talking to him any longer. I suspect only the Israeli Defence Force propaganda department are paying for content on whaleoil now. Cam says that PaknSave have dropped their problems...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • The Rock Fuels NZ Roastbuster Rape Culture
    This is making me feel pretty uncomfortable. Here we have an instance of Jono and Ben posing like “exposed celebrities”. But do you know what I’m seeing? I’m seeing two dudes who basically “roasted” a woman online (exposed pictures of...
    The Daily Blog | 02-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – Why beneficiaries need advocacy
    There are times when I am wrong. I was wrong recently when someone suggested to me that AAAP should be eligible for government funding to continues its advocacy work. That was before. Before dealing with advocacy on a weekly basis...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • TheDailyBlog September Political Poll Has Been Kicked Off
    The Daily Blog’s August poll has concluded and the September poll has been kicked off, asking readers: What party will you likely vote for at this year’s General Election? You will see this month’s poll in the right-hand sidebar of...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Jamie Whyte, leave that poor seal alone!
    Worse than showing mere lip service to Rainbow inclusion, ACT leader Jamie Whyte showed stunning arrogance when appeared at a candidates debate on rainbow issues hosted by the Auckland University Students’ Association last Thursday. The stunning hypocrisy was evident as...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Right wing can’t help but use scum
    Some people have been shocked that the traditional right wing party in New Zealand politics is so deeply embedded with scum like the blogger Whale Oil. We need not be so surprised. It takes a certain type to support the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: National’s Ohariu candidate admits contact by Simon Lusk
    . . Wellington, NZ, 31  August – At a meet-the-candidates public meeting in the Rongotai Electorate, National’s Ohariu candidate, Brett Hudson, confirmed that he had been approached by “a mate”, who passed on a message from  National Party operative, Simon...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014
    Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour’s CGT Will Make Housing Affordability Worse
    Labour's capital gains tax, won't do what David Cunliffe says it will, according to the Taxpayers' Union , backed up by a former Deputy Commissioner of Inland Revenue, Robin Oliver....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Young Kiwis follow in Sir Peter’s footsteps
    Six high-achieving young New Zealanders have been chosen for a range of amazing expeditions this summer, including two that will travel to Antarctica, as part of the Sir Peter Blake Trust Blake Ambassador programme....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • New Doco on Māori Television Examines Social Housing
    A new documentary to air on Māori Television in the lead-up to the election will address the reality of low income housing in this country in a climate of state gentrification and privatisation. WHARE TAPA WHĀ , (loosely translated as...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Thames WINZ arrest should serve as warning to others
    Waikato Police say the charging of a man following an incident in the Thames Work and Income office today should serve as a warning to others that unacceptable behaviour cannot, and will not be tolerated....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Secretary-General’s lecture at the University of Auckland
    I again thank this University of Auckland for bestowing on me an honourary degree in recognition of the enduring value of the United Nations....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • New Zealand First is just too expensive
    “The independent Taxpayers Union now estimates that Winston Peters has made more spending promises than Labour and the Greens combined”, said Dr Whyte, ACT’s Leader....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Adequate family incomes essential to reduce child poverty
    Child Poverty Action Group says making sure families have enough money to care for their children is a fundamental part of the solution to child poverty....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Doesn’t Your Dad Goat Enough?
    A challenge that most Kiwis can relate to in the weeks leading up to father’s day: How do we honour the great men in our life in a meaningful way?...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • At the end of their tether!
    Many in New Zealand will have seen the sight of a lone goat chained on a roadside verge on their travels . Given the job of "lawnmower" these gregarious, highly social, intelligent animals endure a miserable existence denied their most...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • NZratifies new treaty to control the $85bn global arms trade
    New Zealand ratifies new treaty to control the $85bn global arms trade for the first time ever...
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Threats against Work and Income staff a disgrace
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the continuing threats against Work and Income staff in the wake of the Ashburton shootings are a disgrace, and must end....
    Scoop politics | 03-09
  • Greens will put tens of thousands out of work
    "The $18 minimum wage championed by the Greens will throw tens of thousands of low skilled New Zealanders out of a job and condemn them to a life on the benefit. At no point do the Greens discuss the employment...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • PGA: Welcomes NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today welcomed the news that the New Zealand Government has ratified the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) at the United Nations in New York....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Forest & Bird releases top priorities for new government
    Independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird is calling for all political parties to adopt policies to bring about an economic transformation - for the sake of New Zealand and New Zealanders. The call comes as part of Forest & Bird’s...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • More good Questions for Mr. Cunliffe
    Exempting the family home from Capital Gains taxes is harder than it sounds. What if you charge one of the children board? What if it is one of the children’s friends? A boarder? Many South Auckland families share a house....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Why are the Anglican Bishops silent in defending life?
    The Anglican Archbishops in Aotearoa New Zealand have identified four key challenges facing the country in the run-up to the General Election onSeptember 20. These issues are: • Child poverty • Income inequality • Lack of affordable and accessible...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Encouraging the phenomenal growth in the Māori economy
    As the only independent Māori voice in Parliament, the Māori Party’s economic development policy is unashamedly focused on growing the Māori economy....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Bottom line demands by minor parties destabilising
    "Bottom line demands by minor parties are destabilising and undemocratic" said Dr Jamie Whyte. "Colin Craig says referenda being binding is a bottom line and now Winston Peters says a Royal Commission is a bottom line. Polls say the vast...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Victoria students lead youth engagement publication
    A group of Victoria University students are trying to reverse the trend of political disengagement by giving young people a voice....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • NZEI Te Riu Roa welcomes Green Party commitment to fairness
    NZEI Te Riu Roa has welcomed the Green Party's commitment to making work fairer and more equitable, saying it would also result in tangible benefits for children and their learning....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”, said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. “GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National
    MANA Movement candidate, John Minto 3 Wednesday September 2014 “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira. Now we have Slater writing...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Craig And Mcvicar Have Some Explaining to Do
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Garth McVicar and the Conservative Party to explain how much the Party’s ‘tough on crime’ election slogan will cost. On Monday the Party was added to the Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter , but the Conservative...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Political parties to be questioned on needs of children
    Political party representatives will be asked to outline their policies in three key areas relating to the needs of children at a public forum being hosted this Friday by the University of Otago, Wellington (UOW). The event has been co-organised...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Voting Period for 2014 General Election Begins Today
    The first votes for the 2014 general election will be cast today, Wednesday 3 September, as advance voting begins ahead of election day on Saturday 20 September. “Election day is September 20, but if you want, you can vote from...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Independent Epsom Candidates ‘One Strike’ Crime Policy
    Best wishes to all of those who live in Epsom, Mount Eden, New Market, Remuera and of course the rest of New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Large majorities of NZ First voters would prefer Labour deal
    67% of those who voted for New Zealand First at the 2011 general election would prefer Labour to lead a coalition government if one is needed after September 20’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Jointly owned urban development agency for Christchurch
    “Given the strategic importance of the Canterbury rebuild, it is logical that the transition from emergency governance arrangements is overseen by the Prime Minister’s office, but to maintain momentum in the city centre an expert development agency...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix needed
    Collins inquiry at best a Band-Aid, a permanent fix is needed The Public Service Association (PSA) says the inquiry into Judith Collins’ behaviour must be accompanied by a process to restore the lost trust between Ministers and public servants if...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Association welcomes new Chief Executive
    “The New Zealand Police Association is pleased to announce the appointment of Heather Verry to Chief Executive. Heather picks up the mantle from Chris Pentecost, who recently retired from this position,” Police Association President Greg O’Connor said...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Young Voters Want Politicians to Grow Up
    Young voters want answers to the questions that directly affect them – but it seems as much as anything, they want politicians to grow up....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Climate Voter election debate to get big audience
    Auckland, 2 September 2014 - Tickets to tomorrow night’s first-ever Climate Voter election debate have sold out but an online audience will also get to see the event live....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Edge show disregard for consent
    The Edge has shown complete disregard for consent, for women’s bodies and in doing so has contributed to the wider issue of rape culture in New Zealand says specialist sexual violence prevention organisation, Sexual Abuse Prevention Network. Yesterday,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • The Rock is Fuelling New Zealand’s Roastbuster Rape Culture
    The Rock are still displaying without-consent images of Jennifer Lawrence and other celebrities online. They are making fun of this without-consent action, saying that she was "asking for it", etc. They appear to be supporting this kind of...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • HRLA Condemns Murder of Filipino Human Rights lawyer
    Attorney Rodolfo R. Felicio, a member of the National Union of Peoples Lawyers , was gunned down while working on a land dispute in Rizal, east of Manila. Two caretakers of the disputed land were also injured in the attack....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • SFO lays charges for procurement fraud
    Two individuals have been charged in the Auckland District Court today with Crimes Act charges laid by the Serious Fraud Office for alleged fraud against Mighty River Power Limited relating to procurement for the Company’s Southdown power station....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Commitment to lifting wages good for New Zealand
    The Service and Food Workers Union has applauded the Green Party workers’ policy announced today....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Sykes: There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Winston Peters Shown up by the Civilian Party
    Even the satirical 'Civilian Party' has now offered the Taxpayers’ Union more credible figures for the ' Bribe-O-Meter ' than Winston Peters’ New Zealand First. The Taxpayers’ Union Bribe-O-Meter now includes, National, Labour, the Greens,...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Further criminal investigation into CTV Building collapse
    Police has today confirmed it will be advancing the criminal investigation into the collapse of the CTV building in February 2011....
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens policy to restore link between effort and reward
    The Green Party’s new workers policy articulates an alternative to wage repression and job insecurity based on restoring the link between effort and reward, according to FIRST Union. The core tenets of the policy include implementing an $18 minimum...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Greens workers policy supported by union movement
    The CTU is supporting the Green Party’s policy launched today focused on improving life for working New Zealanders. “This policy shows the Greens commitment to collective bargaining as the best and fairest way to improve workers terms and conditions. It...
    Scoop politics | 02-09
  • Research Scholarships for Cannabis Treatments
    Medical cannabis research will be boosted by $140 million if the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party is elected on September 20. Pediatric epilepsy treatment will be one of the main priorities for the research scholarships....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Ngai Te Rangi Change to Tribal Elections
    Ngai Te Rangi has begun a postal vote of beneficiaries to change the way representatives are elected to the two Ngai Te Rangi tribal organisations....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Greens’ commitment to pay equity welcomed by workers
    The Public Service Association (PSA) says the 58,000 workers they represent will benefit from the announcement by the Green Party of a commitment to pay equity and to a living wage for core public servants and contractors....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Real People Powering Real Policy
    New Zealanders from all walks of life have helped the Internet Party create a full platform of strong, progressive and realistic policies that will create a better future for everyone, says leader Laila Harré....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • University of Canterbury to help with forestry safety
    The University of Canterbury is to launch a new research project to make sure New Zealand’s new forestry roads are safe and are established with minimal environmental impact....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Time to get serious about ending homelessness!
    New Zealand needs a comprehensive set of policies that address the housing and support needs of homeless people as well as significantly increasing the supply of affordable, good quality houses and flats....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Hundreds to join domestic, sexual violence march
    Several social service providers from across New Zealand have come together to call for an end to the epidemic level of domestic and sexual violence in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Students helped with debt repayments
    New Zealand students now living in Australia are being reminded not to ignore their student loan debt as Inland Revenue expands its latest tool to help with repayments....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
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