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The Green’s climate change policy

Written By: - Date published: 12:03 pm, June 2nd, 2014 - 128 comments
Categories: climate change, ETS, global warming, greens, russel norman - Tags:

Far away from the media circus that surrounds the Internet Mana Party coalition the Greens have made a useful contribution to the debate on what should be New Zealand’s response to climate change.  The proposals are:

  1. A goal of net carbon neutrality by 2050.

  2. The establishment of an independent Climate Commission to provide expert and independent advice to the government on carbon prices, carbon budgets, and complementary measures to achieve carbon neutrality by 2050.

  3. The phasing out of the failed Emissions Trading Scheme and an initial price on carbon of $25 per tonne on CO2 equivalent emissions for all sectors except agriculture. Dairy emissions will pay $12.50 per tonne. Forestry will be credited at $12.50 per tonne.

  4. The recycling of all revenue raised from a carbon charge back to families and businesses through a $2000 income tax-free band and a one percent company tax cut.

  5. A suite of complementary measures to support the rapid transition to a carbon neutral economy.

The proposed carbon tax is not a new idea.  It was Labour’s preferred policy response to climate change in 2005 and the ETS was only agreed to after New Zealand First blocked implementation of a carbon tax after the election.  In Australia it was the Labor Party’s selected means of dealing with CO2 emissions.

The difference between a carbon tax and an ETS is, very simplistically, that a carbon tax requires a centrally designated price to be set for the emission of a greenhouse gas whereas an ETS sets an acceptable level of output of GHGs and then lets a created market decide what that price should be.  The theory is that an ETS is able to respond rapidly to supply and demand pressures and reward activities that absorb greenhouse gasses.  One of the major problems is with the quality of certification and the handling of large numbers of credits which the former Soviet Union nations amassed following the demise of their heavy industry.

The policy is brave and will be attacked on the basis that there will be a cost to ordinary New Zealanders.  And no doubt the relatively minute nature of New Zealand’s emissions will be raised as justification for us to do nothing.

But as Russel Norman said (h/t Parsupial)

We cannot expect other bigger countries to reduce emissions if we are not doing so ourselves. Especially when many of those countries are poorer than us. On the other hand, by demonstrating that a transition to a clean economy is both possible and rewarding, we can help spur global action. We are a can-do country. We are not the kind of people who expect others to do the heavy lifting while we sit back. So why sit back on climate change?

National’s initial response has been typical.  Stephen Joyce jumped onto twitter and claimed that as New Zealand’s carbon intensity has been dropping during National’s reign all is fine.  But Keith Ng has elegantly deconstructed Joyce’s claims in a number of tweets which showed how inane Joyce’s claims are.

It is noticeable that Joyce has ignored the predicted doubling of greenhouse gas emissions.  Instead he has focussed much more narrowly on carbon intensity which essentially is a different measure.

The tweets contain a treasure trove of information which establish conclusively that Joyce does not know what he was talking about.

The first matter that Ng raised was that energy emissions (not agriculture) have decreased since 2008.  The information is contained in the MFE’s publication New Zealand’s Greenhouse Gas Inventory 1990–2011 and Net Position – Snapshot April 2013. The report notes that there are are a number of reasons for the decrease in energy emissions since 2008. These include:

  • a reduction in the use of coal (gas replaced coal due to the commissioning of a combined cycle gas turbine at the Huntly Power Station) and an increase in the use of renewable electricity generation (geothermal, wind and hydro-electric).
  • a decrease in electricity demand after the Canterbury earthquake in 2011.
  • a decrease in road transport emissions between 2008 and 2009 due to the economic downturn.
  • a decrease in the release of methane emissions from coal mining activities from 2010 to 2011. This was a result of the sealing of the Pike River mine following an explosion and the suspension of coal production at Spring Creek mine on the West Coast of the South Island.

So unless Joyce agrees that National is responsible for the commissioning of the Huntly gas turbine (initiated under Labour in 2007), the Christchurch earthquake, the GFC and the Pike River disaster then National deserves no credit for reductions.

Ng also pointed out that GHG intensity has been declining since the early 1990s, is a feature of the growth of the service sector, had little to do with the ETS and it is irrelevant.  The amount of GHG being produced is the problem, not the intensity compared to industrial output.

And the contention ignores methane production.  I presume that Joyce will dispute that cow farts are causing climate change.

The proposed reduction in tax rates as compensation for anticipated price increases is interesting.  I suspect that everyone except for heavy polluters, farmers and climate change deniers will give the whole package some consideration.

Some are criticising Labour for not having a response to the policy. I personally think some careful consideration is required before any formal comment is offered.

Having said this it is good to get away from personalities and back to policy discussions. This is where the left excels and the right is weak.

128 comments on “The Green’s climate change policy”

  1. Colonial Viper 1

    1. A goal of net carbon neutrality by 2050.

    Well I think this will be very easy to achieve as energy depletion and Mother Nature will probably IMO make it happen, irrespective of any governments policy.

    I expect access to liquid fuels from crude oil to become significantly restricted by ~2030 (e.g. general rationing unless for approved special uses), NG to follow suit around 2040 (although Russia and Iran probably have gas to last until 2060). Peak global coal will have occurred by then, too.

    • Paul 1.1

      The book Climate Wars by Gwynne Dyer is a wake up call.

      A terrifying glimpse of the none-too-distant future, when climate change will force the world’s powers into a desperate struggle for advantage and even survival.

      Dwindling resources.
      Massive population shifts.
      Natural disasters.
      Spreading epidemics.
      Rising sea levels.
      Plummeting agricultural yields.
      Crashing economies

      Michael Ruppert’s film Collapse’ is also sobering.

      • Colonial Viper 1.1.1

        I find it sad that Michael Ruppert took his own life recently. He had a lot more to contribute.

        A terrifying glimpse of the none-too-distant future, when climate change will force the world’s powers into a desperate struggle for advantage and even survival.

        I think that the globalised class of power elite are well into their planning and positioning for this, hence their building of a massive security and surveillance state, normalising the use of militarised police and para-military tactics on home soil against ordinary citizens, and in the US legalising the mass indefinite detention of entire classes of people should they be deemed a threat to “national security” (a.k.a. a threat to the security of the power elite).

    • dave 1.2

      i cant figure out what part of greens policy is different to labours or nz first all very much on the same wave legnth

  2. karol 2

    I think that the Greens have re-started the discussions on this issue and policy – put it back on the agenda. Hopefully it’ll gain momentum as the months progress.

    • Clemgeopin 2.1

      Yes, it is an uphill task to convince the public. Lots of education, publicity and effort will be needed to achieve that. I had a family/friends brunch gathering this morning with 8 adults +children. At one time, when the conversation veered to politics, I asked if any of them were thinking of giving their vote to the Internet party. Three of the adults who have been voting Greens in the earlier few elections indicated that they were excited by the Internet party. Two of those said they ‘may’ give their vote to them. One was certain. I found that interesting. The next few polls will show how the wind is blowing for all parties.

      • karol 2.1.1

        Push polling? So you didn’t ask how many were thinking of voting Green, or Labour? Or even just ask who they are thinking of voting for?

        • Clemgeopin

          No, it wasn’t a ‘polling’ and definitely not a ‘push’ one. I was just curious to see what my own circle of family/friends thought of the new party. Don’t read too much into it.

      • weka 2.1.2

        “Yes, it is an uphill task to convince the public. Lots of education, publicity and effort will be needed to achieve that.”

        I think we are nearly at the top of the hill. That Norman can make a statement such as “climate change is the most important issue of our time and possible of all time” suggests there has been a big shift in NZ in recent years. Even a few years ago the GP couldn’t have said such a thing (even though they knew it was true). More people are ready now, and many people want to do the right thing and want the govt to provide them with the means to do it. I’m not saying all of NZ is on board, but we are much further on than we were.

        The question isn’t who will vote for the IP or the GP. It’s whether the IP supports the GP policy. The potential for cooperation here is huge.

        • Tracey

          The policy announcements by the greens over the last few weeks, imo, is shoring up those already pledging to vote green.

          There is room for the greens and imp. I wonder, historically, where do undecideds go to on election night, swordfish?

          • karol

            Well, hopefully the IMP will attract more of the politically disengaged with their anti-establishment stance.

            I also think it’s very important for the Greens to maintain a strong parliamentary presence for the longer term future. They have some very well worked and well considered policies and practices, and a clear sense of left wing values.

            Beyond the (very important) desire for regime change, and opening politics up to younger people, I’m not sure there’s a consistent set of left wing values/policies incorporated in the IP position.

          • Colonial Viper

            There is room for the greens and imp. I wonder, historically, where do undecideds go to on election night, swordfish?

            If they vote at all, they will tend to go for National or Labour. Many people say they will vote Green, but will finally defer to a “safer” option when at the polling booth, usually Labour.

            The Greens are no longer the protest vote party as they are respectable now; NZF still plays that role however thanks to Winston’s incessant battering of the establishment (which he is a long term part of, of course), so IMP might get those last minute protest/anti-establishment votes.

          • Naki man

            “There is room for the greens and imp”
            I think you mean gimp.

        • Clemgeopin

          Yes, and that is a good thing.

      • Northshoreguynz 2.1.3

        Similar experience this morning. Mana is gaining some traction amongst those on benefits wanting work, and the low paid struggling to meet rent.

  3. Macro 3

    Just to reiterate the comment I made yesterday about this policy on another thread:

    For those who are worried that a Carbon tax will not reduced emissions – it will.
    For those who fear that it will lead to economic ruination – it won’t.
    For those that say it will stop “growth” in it’s tracks (as if it that is a big deal) – it won’t.
    For those who think that NZ will become uncompetitive because of it – think again.
    For those who want to know the truth about how such a tax and dividend scheme really works and just how an economy is doing that introduced a very similar one in the past -
    look here:

    To quote from the last paragraph of the above link”

    “BC can boast of the crown jewel of North American climate policy. “BC now has the lowest fuel use in Canada, the lowest tax rates in Canada, and a pretty healthy economy,” says the University of Ottawa’s Stewart Elgie. “It works.” “

    • Colonial Viper 3.1

      “revenue neutral” taxes designed to encourage certain kinds of behaviours while keeping money in local communities is quite a neat tool.

      However, I’m pretty cautious with regards to assessing the Canada/B.C. situation. The wealthy in B.C. have experienced the economic benefits from a multi-year housing bubble, and I can see no easy and realistic way a median working household with 3 children can reduce their car use by 17% unless one of the parents loses their job and doesn’t have to go to work any more. Further more, Canada’s economy as a whole is receiving a massive and ongoing boost from extremely dirty tar sands extraction.

      • Macro 3.1.1

        Sales of refined Petroleum products in BC have declined by 15% since 2008 – the year the Carbon Tax was introduced – whereas the sales of refined petroleum products for the rest of Canada have remained static.

        Further quote:

        “The tax has actually become quite popular. “Polls have shown anywhere from 55 to 65 percent support for the tax,” says Stewart Elgie, director of the University of Ottawa’s Institute of the Environment. “And it would be hard to find any tax that the majority of people say they like, but the majority of people say they like this tax.”

        The fact is that it works. People begin to look at alternatives to simply hopping in a car to go someplace. This leads to an increasing demand for better Public Transport which can be financed by reducing expenditure on road making and carbon tax. Businesses begin to look seriously at how they too can be less reliant on carbon. Locally produced goods may be initially more expensive but become more attractive when when the cost of transportation of cheaper goods from a distance is taken into account. As you are well aware – the cost of oil is now in free flight following peak. This only intensifies the attention of people onto the issue. By beginning now we can be at the head of the pack in terms of adaptation.

      • Bill 3.1.2

        I can see no easy and realistic way a median working household with 3 children can reduce their car use by 17%

        Car pooling. Walking. Bicycles. Public transport.

        • Colonial Viper

          I don’t know what greater Vancouver and rural BC is like in terms of public transport and walkability etc. but although I recognise it is theoretically possible I still can’t see it. The only thing which brings those kinds of reductions that dramatically is an economic recession and people ceasing doing as much.

          BTW Zero Hedge is suggesting that petrol (gasoline) use in the USA may have fallen by a far larger number (due to recession, not a carbon tax), possibly somewhere between a catastrophic 2/3 and 3/4 over 15 years:


          • Macro

            BC had a very detailed action plan which went along with their Carbon Tax
            Quite an impressive document:

            • Colonial Viper

              Since that document was released BC has had a gas fracking boom and is now planning to build a dozen LNG facilities to export millions of tonnes of LNG to Asia.


              • Macro

                Yes there is fierce debate going on at this very point in time – so I don’t think you can contribute their economic performance over the past 8 years to that which is occurring now!
                The gas issue is something that will need to be carefully considered. Asia has its needs for energy just as every one else. Gas is less “dirty” from carbon emissions than Coal but still no where ideal. Does Canada export gas to energy hungry Asia or does Asia import coal from elsewhere? Personally I would hope that they don’t.

          • weka

            As well as individual actions (bike, walk, ride share etc), there are community and societal restructuring. Relocalisation is a big part of it. If you have a place to by food that is within walking/biking distance, then that changes a lot. Even more so if you can walk/bike to work, church, movies, library etc. These are not difficult to do in terms of infrastructure, it’s more about mentality at this stage.

            • Colonial Viper

              All for relocalisation, but its something which takes 5-10 years to get happening so I don’t think its responsible for the quick drop in fuel use in BC.

              • weka

                Yeah sorry, I was meaning what could be done.

              • Macro

                It’s not a quick drop CV have a look at the link I gave and the graph. There was a drop that occurred across the country in 2008 which was obviously the result of the GFC, but that was not sustained in the rest of Canada – only in BC and their use of petroleum has continued to decline whereas the rest of Canada has returned to the previous levels.

        • dave

          if look at the u s right now there whole infer structure is car centric whole community’s are stranded by rising fuel costs stuck in suburbs as energy poverty bites . as a labour party member I agree with the greens we need to re think the way we live where we work and the way our economy is run because the so called norm is no longer an option

  4. gee..!…thanks winston peters..!

    (question for peters from media..:

    ..’will you block/stop a carbon-tax..again..?’..)

  5. Bill 5

    What exactly does ‘carbon neutrality’ mean? I suspect that strange, necessarily bullshit and rather elastic calculations will be rolled out and used to justify ongoing CO2 emissions on the basis that ‘carbon sinks’ are soaking up what is being produced.

    Curious as to how people reckon all this stacks up against the need to have hit zero carbon emissions from energy back in 2010 if we were to have avoided 2 degrees average surface warming while giving Annex 2 countries a fair ‘crack at the whip’ in laying in infrastructure? We are now about a year away from blowing away a 50/50 chance of avoiding 2 degrees warming due to our growing emissions and are on track for 4 degrees + average surface temperature increase. That equates to the end of any recognisable civilisation

    Anyway. At least there might be the beginnings of a necessary conversation off the back of this policy announcement. That would be good.

    • Tracey 5.1

      sadly bill, most humans dont want to believe in anything catastrophic, until the rain has fallen for weeks, or the asteroid hits, or the earthquake… And the panic passes

    • Macro 5.2

      Carbon neutrality means that we emit no more carbon than we sequester. But as you rightly point out its way too late to stop 2 degrees of warming, and 4 is looking more and more likely.

      • Bill 5.2.1

        Carbon neutrality means that we emit no more carbon than we sequester.

        And we have no large scale sequestration technology. And we don’t know how to calculate agricultural emissions. And we can’t calculate natural sequestration rates/amounts. And even our energy emissions are fudged (international shipping/international flights).

        Soooo…’carbon neutrality’ means absolutely nothing at all in the real world. Although, as I suggested in my original comment, that’s just perfect for bandying bullshit calculations around to ‘show’ that our fossil based emissions can continue. It also allows for no heed to be paid to the fact that warming rides on the back of cumulative emissions rather than emission rates.

        • Colonial Viper

          “Carbon neutrality” is good for another couple of rounds of academic papers however, and is nice lingo for politicians, central bankers and corporates playing us along in their big game of ‘pretend and extend’.

        • Draco T Bastard

          And we have no large scale sequestration technology.

          They’re called trees.

          And we don’t know how to calculate agricultural emissions.

          We’re working on it and already have a ballpark figure.

          And we can’t calculate natural sequestration rates/amounts.

          Yes we can.

          Soooo…’carbon neutrality’ means absolutely nothing at all in the real world.

          It means no net increase in atmospheric carbon.

          • weka

            Trees, and perennial crops and farming practices that increase soil (of a certain kind that will hold and cycle the carbon). They are all only useful if we also reduce emissions.


            You have to understand the different kinds of carbon and the states of carbon soils….

            Bioneers: Are you saying compost and cover crops are not effective ways to sequester carbon?

            Darren: You might increase your net soil carbon quite heavily in the first few years by the application of compost, and all of the aforementioned methods, but will that last over the longer term? The answer is quite clearly no. Great techniques, great to do, but what we need more of is long-chain carbon. It’s largely delivered in the form of polysaccharide exudate or nutrients released from plant root systems, particularly grasses.

            Where we want the carbon and where farmers can look to increasing their carbon levels overall is in the depth of soil. You can have 10% carbon in the top six inches and 2% in the next 10 inches, and 11⁄2% in the next 10 inches. That’s not going to sustain agriculture over the long term, and the top 6 inches is not where carbon is going to be kept and stored and sequestered. It’s pretty well impossible to get that short-chain carbon down into the depths without a lot of intervention, which requires a lot of fossil fuels. The best way to do that is to get plant roots to penetrate these depths and to put their exudates down in those depths. There are carbohydrates created out of the interaction between water, sunlight and carbon dioxide, and then manufactured by the plants as a residue, and their primary objective is to feed the soil microlife.

            Bioneers: So deep-rooted plants are key to this process.

            Darren: What drives the sustenance and the regeneration of the soil life is the plants. The plants are the conduit between the atmosphere and the lithosphere [the Earth’s deep outer layer, which includes soil]. They keep the lithosphere, the soil, and the rhizosphere, the root zone, alive, because they transfer the energy of the sun, manufacture the sugars as carbohydrates, as long chain carbons, and that’s what feeds the economy of the soil.

          • Bill

            sheesh draco. So trees are a technology? ffs! And there was me thinking that trees along with everything Weka mentioned were more suited to being under natural sequestration rates

            Meanwhile, no net increase in atmospheric carbon leaves us fucked. We have to decrease the amount of atmospheric carbon if possible…through adding fuck all extra to what’s there and hoping to fuck it gets naturally sequestrated quick enough….before we get ‘cooked’. (Unless you know of some sequestration technology (ie, not trees etc) that can be operated on a large scale)

            • Draco T Bastard

              We have to decrease the amount of atmospheric carbon if possible…

              That would require being carbon negative and, yes, it’s probably what we need to do.

            • weka

              “And there was me thinking that trees along with everything Weka mentioned were more suited to being under natural sequestration rates”

              Sorry to quibble, but I would call it maybe not technology but at least human generated rather than natural. Sure we can leave nature to grow its own trees, but that will take time that we don’t have (and we need to be doing stuff in addition to what nature is doing anyway). What I was referring to is intentional sequestration from human activity eg farming (either perennial cropping or food and other forestry). When we apply sustainability technology we can speed up sequestration.

              Obviously there are overlaps too.

          • Colonial Viper

            They’re called trees.

            They aren’t a very stable carbon sink. Coal on the other hand is a great carbon sink. Holds the carbon in for 100,000 years without blinking. Trees and their remnants won’t usually last that long. Apart from things like forest fires every few decades, there’s no economic case in the present system to set aside additional land for growing new trees on and to not touch it indefinitely. And AFAIK net tree coverage globally consistently shrinks year after year after year.

            • weka

              “there’s no economic case in the present system to set aside additional land for growing new trees on and to not touch it indefinitely”

              Food forestry and sustainable forestry for building?

              There is plenty of spare land in NZ (assuming it doesn’t all get converted to dairy farms).

              • Colonial Viper

                There is plenty of spare land in NZ

                I’d be interested in what you interpret as being spare land.

                NZ land use is well documented and I don’t see much “spare land” lying around unless we are willing to go in and change the nature and characteristics of a lot of reserves and conservation land.

                • Draco T Bastard

                  I’d be interested in what you interpret as being spare land.

                  Everything we don’t need to provide food for ourselves.

                  In other words, we need to turn a lot of farms back into forest.

                  • I do agree about growing trees and especially creating food forests. I’ve just got back from the Heaphy Track and the number of trees knocked down was amazing – looked like pick up sticks in places – sure overall a small percentage but it would have to be considered as more extreme weather events occur – more big wind events, more rain/slips and so on.

                • weka

                  “I’d be interested in what you interpret as being spare land.

                  NZ land use is well documented and I don’t see much “spare land” lying around unless we are willing to go in and change the nature and characteristics of a lot of reserves and conservation land.”

                  There is a lot of DOC land that could be reforested to natives. Then there is land owned by councils and central govt that is not ‘in use’ eg lots of land held by LINZ (road reserve alone would be significant), town reserves that are just grass currently etc.

                  Then there is land in the high country, and places like Central Otago, where farming is pretty marginal and would be better transitioned to a sustainable model that included either forestry or perennial cropping (polyculture). Plus land still to be allocated in tenure reivews or leasehold farms. I think there is a lot of land in places that simply isn’t in any kind of ‘use’ at all, but is prevented from reforesting because of council policies on broom and gorse. This is true in Central, so I assume it’s true in other places with similar climates or land histories eg Marlborough.

                  I’m thinking of other places where the climate isn’t so harsh where people are buying rural land and either letting it regenerate or regnerating intentionally to forest. Might not be happening so much now that land prices are crazy.

            • just saying

              …there’s no economic case in the present system to set aside additional land for growing new trees on and to not touch it

              Coppicing. We can keep the trees alive and harvest them repeatedly without hurting the trees. Lots of natives are very suitable for this purpose. Win/win. Another traditional technique that is making comeback.


              • weka

                nice one js.

              • Colonial Viper

                And what do you generally use this nice carbon sink coppiced wood for? Oh yeah, firewood.

                • weka

                  It’s not mandatory though. We can use timber for whatever we want.

                  btw, firewood, when properly managed via good forestry and processing of firewood, and efficient burners, is one of the few carbon neutral energy sources on the planet.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    It’s not mandatory though. We can use timber for whatever we want.

                    Coppiced wood is usually much smaller in diameter so the range of building uses it is suitable for is very limited.

                    btw, firewood, when properly managed via good forestry and processing of firewood, and efficient burners, is one of the few carbon neutral energy sources on the planet.

                    Yes indeed. But that characteristic also makes it useless as a carbon sink to offset fossil fuel use.

                    Turning the wood into charcoal before using it as fuel can be a bit more efficient, but not by that much.

                    • weka

                      We can build buildings from coppiced bamboo. We can also build buildings from coppiced trees (roundwood framing). Many things other than buildings that are durable can be made from coppiced wood.

                      And js didn’t suggest that all forestry be coppicing.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      All those things are theoretically possible but we would have to train up a new generation of builders architects designers to build with bamboo and also with round wood framing.

                      Not saying it can’t be done but NZ has no expertise out there to do this, and we can barely organise to build standard housing as it is.

                    • Tracey

                      as opposed to the weedy end of pinus radiata currently used in nz buildings…

                    • KJT

                      CV, as a former builder, and having designed a few houses as well, I can assure you that we do have the expertise.

          • mickysavage

            Agreed Draco.

            Professor Euan Mason (Canterbury School of Forestry) has estimated that if a third of the planet’s area that has been deforested was reforested then our atmosphere could return to a CO2 concentration of 280 ppm.

            Makes you wonder, more forests and trees, cooler climate …


            • Colonial Viper

              Professor Euan Mason (Canterbury School of Forestry) has estimated that if a third of the planet’s area that has been deforested was reforested

              See that sounds very reasonable and do-able. Reassuringly so.

              Right up to the point that you have to tell the good folks of the Waikato that you’re now going to take 1/3 of their land off them because you want to plant trees there instead.

              I’m assuming Tainui will want to have a few words with the Government around these mandatory plans as well.

              • weka

                What, as opposed to telling the good folks of NZ that you’re not going to take 1/3 of their land off them to create a diary sewer, er, I mean farms?

                What mandatory plans?

                • Colonial Viper

                  People who sold their land for dairy conversions got handsomely compensated for it in cold hard cash. Lots of it. And in those transactions there was a willing buyer and a willing seller.

                  Of course, the NZ Government has nationalised land before en masse, hundreds of thousands of hectares of it at the stroke of a pen.

                  Shall we go down that route again?

                  • weka

                    Ok, so when you said the good folks of the Waikato, you actually meant a select few farm owners.

                    I haven’t read Mason’s article yet, but there are other ways of achieving change than land confiscation. Although land confiscation seems entirely on the cards when the shit hits the fan. For which we already have the Public Works Act.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Ok, so when you said the good folks of the Waikato, you actually meant a select few farm owners.

                      No, I meant 1/3 of the land of the Waikato (and every other NZ district), and at a guess in the Waikato that might affect roughly 2000 farmers/farming families.

                      And by the way, why do you think townies would be exempt from losing 1/3 of their sections to tree planting?

                      Although land confiscation seems entirely on the cards when the shit hits the fan. For which we already have the Public Works Act.

                      Yes. It would have to be a “compulsory sale and purchase” of land i.e. with compensation.

                    • weka

                      I don’t.

                      Did Mason suggest land confiscation?

                    • KJT

                      I think you will find that most normal urban sections already have a quarter to a half of the section in gardens and or trees.

                      Of course as they intensify building, this will reduce.

                    • Draco T Bastard

                      Greater intensification of cities would allow for greater use of parks and thus more trees in the cities. Getting rid of the sprawl is win/win.

        • weka

          “Soooo…’carbon neutrality’ means absolutely nothing at all in the real world.”

          It depends. If you are intent on BAU, making money, increasing profit, growing the economy, then yes, you can manipulate carbon neutrality to do that.

          If on the otherhand, you want to subvert that without scaring the horses, you can use a concept like carbon neutrality to transition society to firstly not emitting more than is being sequestered, and then move towards carbon negative. Sneaky Greens ;-) because if they came out and said what really needed to be done, they’d get bugger all votes. This is as much about changing people’s perceptions as it is about physics in the ‘real’ world.

          Haven’t looked at the detail of their policy yet though.

          • Bill

            Yeah, you might be right. Just that I’m more inclined to take the fcking horses out back and shoot them these days.

          • marty mars

            Isn’t that the shocker paradox we all live under – “because if they came out and said what really needed to be done, they’d get bugger all votes.” Is anything really better than nothing with this topic? Society imo will transition and society won’t like it a bit, society will fight and thrash around and oppose and pretend and then nature will force the big transition and society will begin to change – but of course by then it will really only be window dressing. JMG says it well (paraphasing) – collapse now and avoid the rush, collapse now while you still have some semblance of control, some options.

            • weka

              I’m feeling more… optismistic would be stretching, but let’s say less pessimistic recently. Things look like they are changing to me eg that the GP can talk opening about AGW being the most important thing and do so in an election year as part of a major policy release. It’s normal now.

              Am with you avoiding the rush, and still think that everythign and anything we can do now will make the collapse easier to manage.

              • Bill

                … still think that everythign and anything we can do now will make the collapse easier to manage.

                You do not and can not manage 150-200km/h winds that have downed your infrastructure, closed your roads and flattened your crops.

                You do not and can not manage prolonged drought and heat wiping livestock, pasture and crops while shutting down your infrastructures (electricity supply, water supply)

                You do not and can not manage x m of rain that washes away your crops, washes out your infrastructure, floods your home, collapses hillsides…

                All you can do or hope to do is to survive. And that’s as much dumb luck as preparedness given the climatic vagaries involved.

                • weka

                  Well it’s all relative isn’t. The conditions you describe are unlikely to arrive all at once or overnight. So to what extent do we adapt? Humans have lived in some pretty extreme situations, precisely because they worked within their environment (ie they managed).

                  To give an example,

                  “You do not and can not manage prolonged drought and heat wiping livestock, pasture and crops while shutting down your infrastructures (electricity supply, water supply)”

                  True if we do not very much between now and then. But if instead we practice and increase drought resistant food growing techniques that aren’t dependend on power and water supply infrastructure, then we will ‘manage’ better than if everything falls over while are are still dependent on it.

                  Of course, we could prepare for x kind of weather and find we get y instead, or we could prepare for x and get x. That’s where luck will come into it. But it still pays to prepare for being able to manage, where x is liveable with prepared for adaptation but not with sudden collapse of power supply.

                  Edit: and, the things we should do to prepare are also the things that will mitigate and possibly sequester.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Psychological and emotional preparations are amongst the most important to make.

                    Defending against massive climate extremes and weather events is difficult of course. But knowing your neighbours, not depending on the supermarket for all your food and not depending on petrol to get you around, already puts you at a massive advantage in an age of resource and energy depletion.

                    • “Psychological and emotional preparations are amongst the most important to make.”

                      I wonder if this is even possible but anything is definitely better than nothing here and you never know it might not happen relatively quickly.

                  • Bill

                    Well it’s all relative isn’t. The conditions you describe are unlikely to arrive all at once or overnight. So to what extent do we adapt?

                    Well, nothing I wrote hasn’t been experienced already. Climate change will involve more extremes than those I mentioned. And we haven’t ‘adapted’ to any of the, for now, infrequent storms, droughts and what have you. And neither has the biological environment we are a part of and dependent upon.

                    Anyway. Basic physical infrastructure was built for the conditions we became used to in the now passing holocene. That won’t be getting adapted…(time, expense, engineering know-how)

                    And insofar as we are biological entities that fit (survival of the fittest) into an evolutionary niche that’s part of a larger biological reality and state that’s not going to be accommodated by a 2 degrees or 4 degrees+ world….

                    • weka

                      I thought we were talking about best case scenarios not worst, or at least allowing that we don’t know yet. Or at least, I am suggesting that there is in fact a point to preparing (see below about food growing). If on the other hand you want to argue it’s too late and we are all fucked then just go ahead and quote Macpherson ;-)

                      “And we haven’t ‘adapted’ to any of the, for now, infrequent storms, droughts and what have you.”

                      Actually some people have adapted for things like drought, and I can tell you catagorically that farmers and other food growers in sustainability subcultures are definitely working on adapting to changing climate. The mainstream hasn’t, but that doesn’t mean no-one has.

                      btw, if we look at drought (and I know this is taking things out of the full context), and we look at average tempartures for NZ and add 2C, then we are still within the range of temperatues that humans can grow food in. Humans can grow food in extreme climates. What we can’t do is sustain oil-based, mono-cropped, Monsanto-sponsored agriculture, but then I’m not arguing for that. I’m saying we can increase our resiliency skills and that that better prepares us for managing in the contexts you are talking about if they aren’t at the extreme end.

                      Five minute slide show of the permaculture classic Greening the Desert. Getting food trees established and bearing food within the first year in one of the harshest climates on the planet. They have the least rainfall per head of population in the world. Plus the land in the area has been overgrazed and salinated. If people can grow food there, they will be able to grow food in NZ during prolonged drought.


                      “And neither has the biological environment we are a part of and dependent upon.”

                      The biological environment is adapting all the time, it doesn’t have a choice. I think what you mean is that it won’t adapt fast enough to prevent extinctions if humans don’t change, but that’s a given for worst case. It’s not really relevant to what is being discussed here.

                    • Bill

                      Yeah okay. Drought resistant plants can be grown. But one of the main things that’s going to increase is wind…y’know, the type that rips up trees and flattens crops?

                      And sure, I’m being negative and we could argue hopelessly backwards and forwards on unknowns and likelihoods and what not.

                      But I do want to say this. Adding 2degreesC to average NZ temps has got absolutely nothing to do with imagining a world that’s 2degreesC warmer due to climate change. The 2degreesC is average surface temp. And land is always much warmer than water.

                    • karol

                      I known some of my farmer relatives are using drought resistant grass (in NZ). It was noticeable seeing the fields that have such gras in recent droughts – they remained green while others were brown.

                      It’s an adaptation, but to try to keep going with BAU. Greater adaptations are needed.

                      maf has a whole paper recommending grasses for drought prone areas.

                    • weka

                      Grow crops that are resilient to wind, and you grow them in places where the wind is mitigated. We already do this.

                      “But I do want to say this. Adding 2degreesC to average NZ temps has got absolutely nothing to do with imagining a world that’s 2degreesC warmer due to climate change. The 2degreesC is average surface temp. And land is always much warmer than water.”

                      So with a 2C rise globally, what will happen in NZ?

                    • weka

                      “Drought resistant plants can be grown.”

                      Just need to pick up on this. It’s not simply about growing drought resistant plants. It’s about a completely different way of managing land and water. Plant species selection is part of that, but it’s not enough on its own. Sustainable land management brings in a whole swathe of interlocking techniques and systems that builds in resiliency. Obviously there is an upper limit for wind speed, frequency of flooding, lack of water etc, but that’s still the point – that we are better off preparing, and the preparation is exactly what we should be doing to mitigate AGW.

                      Karol, it’s true that better species selection is happening (and let’s note that organic farmers in NZ were doing this 3 decades and more ago), but MAF and the mainstream sciences are still geared towards export production not local food growing, and are therefore not sustainable. When we switch to growing food locally all sorts of things change, including that we don’t have to rely on large scale open paddocks that are prone to drought. We can build food growing systems geared around the local environment, geography and climate, and they are much more robust.

                      Here’s a look at a mixed perennial/annual polyculture system for feeding livestock in Western Australia,


                    • Bill

                      So with a 2C rise globally, what will happen in NZ?

                      Temperatures in excess of what you’d get from a uniform planetary 2C+ rise in surface temperature. Not as much above 2C+ as larger land masses though. And along with that ‘stuck’ weather patterns (to do with jet stream amplitude changing)…so longer, hotter droughts and heatwaves and much more rain falling over shorter periods than now and then much more energy seeking balance in the overall weather system (ie, much bigger winds).

                      Throw all that at infrastructure and many roads will not be re-opened as we currently expect after slips nor electric/water supplies reconnected as we currently expect, nor roof repairs carried out as per current expectations.

                      Beyond that, who knows?

                    • weka

                      “Temperatures in excess of what you’d get from a uniform planetary 2C+ rise in surface temperature. Not as much above 2C+ as larger land masses though. And along with that ‘stuck’ weather patterns (to do with jet stream amplitude changing)…so longer, hotter droughts and heatwaves and much more rain falling over shorter periods than now and then much more energy seeking balance in the overall weather system (ie, much bigger winds).”

                      Just to stick with food growing, the only thing that strikes me as being really problematic there is the big winds. You have an event that takes out trees and it’s a long haul to restore that. We don’t lose forests with the big winds we already have, but I would guess that planting more in sheltered places would be smart (and soon).

                      ‘Drought’ is a relative thing. Much of the drought in NZ is caused by land management, or by trying to grow certain things in the wrong climate/geography. We can look at places like Texas, where fully grown trees are already dying, but again, this is to do with what they are doing with the land there, and the water table, and stocking rates etc. In various droughts in the past 30 years, there have always been farmers in NZ that have been ok, because they were farming differently. If the whole area had been farming differently, there wouldn’t have been a ‘drought’.

                      Increased rainfall is problematic in some places but not others. But often the problems are again caused by humans. If you chop down all the trees and flatten the land then the water will run over that very quickly and take topsoil with it. It will wash away any land not stabilised and gouge out tracks causing more erosion. On the other hand, if you plant out riparian zones with multi-species, and put breaks in the smaller water courses, then the water slows down and seeps into the land, which is exactly where you want it (esp if the rain events are infrequent).

                      None of this is rocket science. I’m less worried about how ability to prepare and manage than I am about whether we will actually do it.

                    • adam

                      I’d say the horse has bolted. If one was cynical, Kyoto was really was the last chance. We have no idea what the change will be, but a change is a coming. And it will restore us to pre-industrial population levels quickly is my guess. And a type of thuggery will win out.

  6. Lefty 6

    If you really wanted to reduce emissions you would identify some activities that are unnecessary and produce a lot of emissions and make them unlawful.

    If you then wanted to reduce them further you would identify another set of useless activities and eliminate them.

    The sort of activities I am talking about include the production and operations of pollution producing luxury items (like jet skis, over- powered motor vehicles and privately owned helicopters and airplanes). We could stop producing unnecessary packaging, cut back on military operations, cease intensive livestock farming and stop mining coal. Many other harmful and/or essentially useless activities could readily be identified and stopped without reducing our standard of living in the least.

    Of course there would be some resistance to this approach but I suspect it would not be as strong as it is to carbon tax as most people would hardly notice it. It would also be transparent and easy to understand. Anybody can relate to the idea that we need to stop doing things that are harmful to them but taxation is always more difficult to get your head around, particularly when everybody knows the rich manage to find a way of getting around any type of tax. I suspect in the case of a carbon tax they would simply pass on costs making both necessary and luxury goods more expensive. This would mean a carbon tax would essentially be a very regressive tax. Trying to make up for it by giving tax back in other areas does not really work as we have seen with GST.

    Carbon taxes fail to discriminate between useful and useless activities, let the rich off the hook, and like all taxes are unreliable in terms of results and prone to producing unforeseen consequences.

    • Colonial Viper 6.1


      Supply of potable water is critical; supply of 18 year old scotch whisky is not.

    • Clemgeopin 6.2

      Hard to enforce around the world.

      How about stopping people from breathing,belching and farting?…and will it all make a difference?

      What is better is to go for renewable energy methods.

      • Colonial Viper 6.2.1

        Not sure why you are trying to draw parallels between burning up hundreds of millions of tonnes of fossil fuels making and shipping around useless trinkets, and the very necessary activities of people breathing and farting.

        What is better is to go for renewable energy methods.

        If we do that we can cushion the blow, but even a rapid shift in renewable energy generation still means the end of the high speed high luxury globalised economy and a transition to a generally slower and harder world.

      • weka 6.2.2

        “Hard to enforce around the world.”

        We (as in NZ) don’t have to enforce anything. We have to walk the talk, and then lobby the parts of the world where that will have the most effect. Am pretty sure that if enough countries lead the way, others will follow. Either way, we will eventually be forced into change by nature, and the closer we get to that the more visible that will be and the easier to convince people to change. Best we prepare now though.

        • Clemgeopin

          I certainly agree with that, but we should not go over board with crazy, impractical. silly, stupid ideas and schemes….(at least not too fast!)

          • weka

            What sort of crazy things do you mean Clem?

            • Colonial Viper

              Only revolutions in the neoliberal direction are permitted, apparently.

            • Clemgeopin

              As someone here advocated banning jet skis, private helicopters, industries, 18 year old scotch whiskey etc. You need to get voters’ SUPPORT and get elected. Wishful ideas don’t help you get there. Without getting elected, all extreme impractical ideas are just that, ideas.

              • Colonial Viper

                Yep. Which is why there will be no political solution available to avoid major climate change nor for avoiding civilisation disrupting energy depletion.

                As John Michael Greer suggests, we are in the closing vice jaws of a predicament for which our national level institutions and leadership will not be able to resolve and you have outlined just some of the reasons why.

                Face it, NZers can’t even agree on joint sacrifices to pull 300,000 Kiwi kids out of poverty and that’s something right here right now; trying to painfully deal with something which is decades down the track – no way.

                The political and corporate classes will just continue their game of pretend and extend.

      • Tracey 6.2.3

        so breathing belching and farting are the same as drinking scotch in your world?

        • Clemgeopin

          My world is your world.

          So you want to stop people drinking 18 year old scotch? What about the 15 year old scotch?

          • Tracey

            is that the best you can do? A hint of nimbism there clem

            • Clemgeopin

              No, not nimbyism as whiskey is not my preferred drink.

              My point was in the name of environment or in saving the world, the Greens or their loose cannon extremist crazies should not put forward nutter types of silly proposals. My question was legitimate: If the 18 year old whiskey were to be banned, then why not a 15 year old? How do you decide what vintage is ok and what isn’t? This is the sort of stuff that makes people, including me cautious and weary.

    • Bill 6.3

      If you really wanted to reduce emissions you would identify some activities that are unnecessary and produce a lot of emissions and make them unlawful.

      If you then wanted to reduce them further you would identify another set of useless activities and eliminate them.

      I’ve been saying something similar for quite a while now. But…if we leave it to the authorities, then one fine day in the not too distant, people are going to awake to a world where (for example) any access to commercial international passenger air travel has been withdrawn. Meanwhile, the ‘one percenters’ will fly and boat in their private luxury to their hearts’ content (as will politicians because, hey, them’s is important people doing important things!)

      Far better than making some things unlawful, would be for people to withdraw their participation in useless and detrimental market activity. A UBI would help on that front, or such a move could help bring about a UBI.

      edit. and in light of CV’s comment, I’d just like to put it on record that my hand would be up for participating in a workers’ collective involved in the critical production of good malt whisky

      • Colonial Viper 6.3.1

        lol yeah…its one way to productively and pleasantly pass the time in a post industrialising world…also its a very highly barterable/tradeable commodity. Handy.

        Far better than making some things unlawful, would be for people to withdraw their participation in useless and detrimental market activity. A UBI would help on that front, or such a move could help bring about a UBI.

        Yep. Hence their insistence on loading up young people with debt, to ensure compliance with the economic needs of the status quo.

      • weka 6.3.2

        “Meanwhile, the ‘one percenters’ will fly and boat in their private luxury to their hearts’ content (as will politicians because, hey, them’s is important people doing important things!)”

        I’m not so sure. If society is still reasonably intact at that point, I think that there will be huge negatives associated with carbon use to the extent that those people will be treated like pariahs. Interesting to consider how countries will ration carbon at that point.

        • Bill

          You’re aware that those fckers jolly ‘one percenters’ (it could be as high as ~5% I guess) are responsible for a huge proportion of CO2 emissions ie, anything between 30 and 60% of the total? I mean, to be fair, airline pilots and such like, plus politicians and globe trotting academics are a part of that small elite when we’re looking at AGW as opposed to just finance.

          And most of the one percent already are fucking pariahs. Very powerful and influential pariahs though, who have politicians and governments in their back pockets. Now, why are they going to change the programme again? You never, ever see them as it is, and only a few of their names are familiar to most people (Koch Brothers, that Aussie woman Rhienhart? etc)

          • weka

            Ah, ok. I thought you were talking about people like KDC, Peter Jackson, the PM.

            I still don’t think that the 1% you are talking about are pariahs.

            I agree with you about not leaving it to the authorities. My own personal approach is to look at what can be done, which is why although I keep an eye on international issues (like how much power the Koch family have), I don’t engage much because it engenders powerlessness. If I look at what can be done here in NZ, there is much that can be done, and all of it will be dependent on asserting and maintaining sovereignty.

            I don’t yet see the path between where we are now, and mass population withdrawing participation in the economy. I can see some of it theoretically (eg when we get shortages), but not yet in the real world. I like the idea though.

          • marty mars

            As the effects of AGW become more and more visible the 1% will become (through their own devices and basically to continue their financial accumulation as long as possible) heroes to the (western) masses. And those that know the truth will be too busy surviving and trying to set themselves up to effectively challenge the self-declared hero status of the 1%.

            • Colonial Viper

              the 1% will become (through their own devices and basically to continue their financial accumulation as long as possible) heroes to the (western) masses.

              Here’s the irony: after all the raping and pillaging of the people and the world’s resources, the 7 figure sum of fiat currency you manage to stash away in electronic ones and zeroes in that faraway tax haven bank account – chances are you will never get that back. And if you do, in a situation of economic and currency collapse, you might still be able to buy a handbag, a coffee and a sandwich with it.

              • Yes well they didn’t accumulate that 7 figure sum (too low imo) by being nice – they manipulated, used and abused to get it and they’re not going to stop just because the world is collapsing. The minions will want to keep their very small slice of the pie for as long as possible so there will be plenty of people wanting to help – there will be a waiting list.

          • Colonial Viper

            Bear in mind that the 1%’ers (in NZ they earn $200K+ p.a.) are mostly just well paid professional hacks and lackeys of the actual oligarchic power-elite. The 1%’ers are the CxO’s, the law firm partners etc.

            The oligarchic power elite, they are the 1% of the 1%. 0.01%’ers in other words. Doesn’t quite roll of the tongue though.


            Meanwhile, the ‘one percenters’ will fly and boat in their private luxury to their hearts’ content

            Until the boat crew, flight crew, mansion staff and private security guards decide that it might be quite nice to have free use of the marvellous facilities and decide to mount a bit of a reverse “corporate takeover” of the assets.

            See how precarious the position of the 0.01% is?

            See why they are so insistent on installing a trillion dollar security and surveillance state, ASAP?

            • adam

              You really need to look at the land records in the south island CV. And look at the people who were not born here who own land. I think you will see some interesting names – look high country, central and mid look for american names.

    • mickysavage 6.4

      You would identify some activities that are unnecessary and produce a lot of emissions and make them unlawful

      Or you would focus on activities that provided society benefit and did not pollute. For instance, education enriches lives, owning mass produced junk does not. We need to make sure that market pressure supports individual enrichment and ignores consumerism.

  7. Paul 7

    World ‘on the verge of next mass extinction’

    “We are on the verge of the sixth extinction,” lead author, biologist Stuart Pimm, said. “Whether we avoid it or not will depend on our actions.”


  8. dimebag russell 8

    the challenge for the greens is to show us how to do more for less. not an easy trick and prepare us for contingencys and vicisitudes that await.

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      Maybe the trick is simply to do less. If you do less you immediately consume less of the world’s resources and release less GHGs.

  9. Poission 9

    It is noticeable that Joyce has ignored the predicted doubling of greenhouse gas emissions. Instead he has focussed much more narrowly on carbon intensity which essentially is a different measure.

    Carbon intensity is a good metric as it combines physics with economics(rosenfelds law).It is widely used for comparative analysis (unfcc ) where there is a wide disparity in both emissions and sink data.


    • Colonial Viper 9.1

      Sure, it’s a nice measure and you can do lots of clever things with it. But to get back to a 2 deg C warming scenario we now need economic activity with huge negative carbon intensity. Which doesn’t exist.

      To me, measuring carbon intensity is like measuring how much water the titanic is taking on per passenger. Whether its a tad higher or a tad lower hardly matters. The ship is still going down, and there still aren’t enough lifeboats.

    • mickysavage 9.2

      But the only relevant metric is how much greenhouse gas we are producing. The rest is irrelevant and frankly a distraction.

      • Macro 9.2.1

        Totally agree! Joyce is using carbon intensity because with consistent technological improvements – which has nothing to do with National – we are using fossil fuels more efficiently, and it looks good. It’s just propaganda from him and well he knows it.
        Because you can do more with less doesn’t mean that people will do the same or less – they invariably want to do much more. So the efficiencies gained are squandered.

        • Colonial Viper

          i.e. Jevon’s Paradox

          • Tracey


            • Colonial Viper


              The Jevons paradox (not to be confused with the Rebound Effect, which is the reductionistic view of this phenomenon) states that if a system gains the possibility of using more energy, through increases in efficiency, it will use this opportunity to “do more” – exploring new activities and expanding the set of functions, which can be expressed – rather than “doing the same, while consuming less”. This paradox (more efficiency leads to more consumption), stated by Jevons in the first half of the 20th century, has proved right over and over in several applications. This implies that it is very naive to expect that technical improvement in efficiency will lead “per se” to lower consumption of energy. The truth is that sustainability is not a technical issue, but a cultural one.

  10. karol 11

    I see Bradbury is spinning and stirring claiming being positive about Greens while spinning that this climate policy is a strategic move to court the blue green vote – and that ignores all the other Greens polices, especially the youth health one announced by Turei at the weekend.

    • Chooky 11.1

      Actually as a Green voter I thought his contribution rather positive …and the Greens are not immune from criticism…just as no one is…they have made some dumb strategic moves in the past…eg dumping on Winston from a great height 3 days before a crucial General Election inwhich the Helen Clark govt lost because her coalition partner NZF failed by a couple of hundred votes to get in

  11. Chooky 12

    My apologies to the Greens – why the Carbon Tax is a genius move

    By Martyn Bradbury , June 2, 2014

    “I have to eat some humble organic locally produced pie here. I have always been fairly mean to the Greens in the past over some of their strategic manoeuvres. I have meanly said that they have all the tactical ability of slow growing moss…”


  12. Ennui 13

    “This policy wont make an iota of difference,” said Ennui cynically! “We will definitely burn what we can until it is all gone, its just a matter of how fast.”

  13. Macro 14

    IEA urges Global leaders to take action on reducing Carbon Emissions and increasing Investment on Renewables and efficiency savings.

    “Global investment in fossil-fuel energy continues to outpace new spending on renewable sources, leaving the world on track for temperature increases of at least 3.6 degrees, according to a new report by the International Energy Agency.”

    “Last year, more than $1.1 trillion (A$1.19 trillion) was poured into the extraction, transport and burning of fossil fuels, producing much of the greenhouse gas emissions largely blamed for global warming.
    By contrast, $US250 billion was invested in clean energy sources, such as solar and wind energy, down from the 2011 peak of $US300 billion, the Paris-based IEA said in its inaugural World Energy Investment Outlook study. Energy efficiency efforts attracted another $US130 billion.

    To keep global warming to within 2 degrees of pre-industrial levels – the internationally agreed target – annual investment in low-carbon energy supply would need to rise to almost $US900 billion and spending on energy efficiency needs to exceed $US1 trillion, said the IEA’s chief economist, Fatih Birol.

    “Dependable policy signals will be essential to ensure that these (renewable energy) investments offer a sufficiently attractive risk-adjusted return,” Dr Birol told Fairfax Media.
    Policymakers have “the most important role to play” in driving such investments, he said: “They need to provide clear and credible signals that lower risks and inspire confidence if we are to switch investment to low-carbon sources and energy efficiency at the necessary scale and speed to meet the world’s climate change target.”


    Groser’s response today to the proposed Carbon Tax on RNZ was as usual smarmy and weasel worded and acknowledged and denied the science all in one go! The man must go!

  14. Populuxe1 15

    So why do the Union of Taxpayers (who neither belong to a union or pay tax) like it then? Obviously something isn’t quite right here.

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    Mark Atkin (“Science and legal advisor” for FFNZ) and Mary Byrne (“National Co-ordinator and media contact” for FFNZ) promote their “magic” fluoride free water. These activists have a really weird understanding of science and the nature of scientific research. How’s...
    Open Parachute | 21-08
  • Times up for Collins
    One of the most concerning things about this scandal surrounding the National parties dirty tactics is the fact that John Key appears to be a gutless wonder who has no intention of holding his Ministers to account.Not only has the...
    The Jackal | 21-08
  • #ProudScum
    On Morning Report this morning, they went to a very unusual commentator for an opinion on National and Labour’s campaign ads. John Ansell. You may remember John Ansell from the Iwi/Kiwi billboards of 2005 – or you may have tried to...
    Rebuilding Christchurch | 21-08
  • CEO Pay Packets: Regulate to Stop Inequality?
    There has been much talk of the obscene amounts of money some CEO’s are earning, both here in New Zealand and abroad. Some have even suggested the idea of regulating CEO’s pay packets in an effort to reduce inequality.  Firstly...
    Gareth’s World | 21-08
  • Tracey Martin – the power behind the throne
    Yesterday, with the news that Andrew Williams has fallen from 3rd to 13th on the draft NZ First party list, I wrote: Williams would like to know what the selection committee’s criteria were for selecting the top ten candidates. That’s...
    Occasionally erudite | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “Clarifications” Are Onl...
    Bullshit: The idea that the Director of the SIS, Dr Warren Tucker, would proceed with the release of highly sensitive political information to a right-wing blogger without his boss's, the Prime Minister John Key's, express approval is simply not credible.THAT DR...
    Bowalley Road | 21-08
  • Advertising on Buses and Trains
    A bugbear of mine is moving billboard type advertising on the sides of buses and trains like the examples below. It primarily annoys me due to the fact it impedes the view of those on services which can make it...
    Transport Blog | 21-08
  • Key, Now a Proven Liar, Must Step Down or Be Kicked Out
    It appears unequivocal evidence now exists proving Key was lying, and he has used the SIS and his influence to give a Nutcase Right Wing Maori and Earthquake victim hating blogger, Cameron Slater, preferential treatment and access to confidential information....
    An average kiwi | 21-08
  • Who is Aaron Bhatnagar?
    Aaron Bhatnagar is a National party official who works closely with right wing blogger Cameron Slater. In effect he's a go-between for the National party and one of their attack bloggers.On Monday, 3 News reported:Judith Collins on Aaron BhatnagarNew emails...
    The Jackal | 20-08
  • TEU presidents in showdown
    Tertiary Update Vol 17 No 28 Arguably TEU’s two most experienced leaders will go head-to-head in a presidential election next month, with former national president Sandra Grey and current national president Lesley Francey both standing to be the union’s national...
    Tertiary Education Union | 20-08
  • University pan-handling
    Universities in New Zealand are moving into bake-sale activities because the public funding is so inadequate says David Cooke, co-editor of a soon to be released book Beyond the Free Market: Rebuilding a Just Society in New Zealand. He submitted...
    Tertiary Education Union | 20-08
  • Modernising parental leave
    TEU women’s officer Suzanne McNabb hopes paid parental leave will be easier to access and more suitable for modern workplaces once the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) modernises the Parental Leave Act. MBIE is reviewing the act in...
    Tertiary Education Union | 20-08
  • Tertiary funding plummets: independent economist
    Tertiary education funding has fallen dramatically in the last five years according to an independent report by BERL economist Ganesh Nana....
    Tertiary Education Union | 20-08
  • U35 group starts up at Otago University
    Younger workers at the University of Otago often don’t know what work rights they’re entitled to. That’s the message TEU’s new U35 group at the university received from those who attended its Midwinter Mixer last Friday night. Organised as part...
    Tertiary Education Union | 20-08
  • Reaction to our new ads
    Wow! What a reception! It’s been great to see people’s positive feedback on our new TV ads which started airing yesterday. Here are just some of the comments:  ...
    Labour campaign | 20-08
  • 2014 SkS Weekly News Roundup #34A
    A ‘major challenge’ to South Asia’s economic development Cities’ air problems only get worse with climate change Climate change reflected in altered Missouri River flow Climate scientist calls on colleagues to speak up on global warming Defending forests is daily...
    Skeptical Science | 20-08
  • Scotland: Get out now while you still can
    Scotland goes to the polls in a month in a referendum on independence. The assumption throughout the campaign has been that if Scotland votes to stay in the UK, it will be rewarded with further devolved powers - an assumption...
    No Right Turn | 20-08
  • The SIS OIA
    Via Stuff: Labour MP Phil Goff says he has evidence the prime minister was briefed about a decision to release Security Intelligence Service documents to WhaleOil blogger Cameron Slater. John Key, who is also the minister responsible for the SIS,...
    DimPost | 20-08
  • The SIS OIA
    Via Stuff: Labour MP Phil Goff says he has evidence the prime minister was briefed about a decision to release Security Intelligence Service documents to WhaleOil blogger Cameron Slater. John Key, who is also the minister responsible for the SIS,...
    DimPost | 20-08
  • Slater works with senior Nats
    Yesterday, the source behind the Dirty Politics scandal, @whaledump, released a large amount of communications between right wing blogger Cameron Slater and National party insider Aaron Bhatnagar.This evidence confirms that there is in fact a close relationship between Cameron Slater...
    The Jackal | 20-08
  • New Fisk
    Middle East crisis: We know all too much about the cruelty of Isis – but all too little about who they are...
    No Right Turn | 20-08
  • John Key was briefed
    New information showing that the Prime Minister was in fact briefed about the SIS releasing information to right wing blogger Cameron Slater has come to light.It shows that the Director of Security at the time, Warren Tucker, had written directly...
    The Jackal | 20-08
  • Key lied
    Interview with John Key, Morning Report, 18 August 2014:ESPINER: Well let’s have a look at some of those specifics in the book. Cameron Slater gets an OIA request granted from the SIS which embarrasses Phil Goff. It’s approved in a...
    No Right Turn | 20-08
  • Life’s a Beach, Save New Chum!
    On Tuesday I presented a petition to the Mayor of the Thames Coromandel with Linda Smith from the “Save New Chum for Everyone” group. Linda and I have been working together for some years now on the campaign to protect...
    frogblog | 20-08
  • Who is a policy-free zone?
    Over at Cut Your Hair, there is a great analysis of John's Key's desperate spin about "who is running away from the policy debate?": The latest of John Key’s increasingly desperate defences against Dirty Politics and Whaledump is to say:...
    Polity | 20-08
  • ‘John Key, Stop Bullshitting Me’
    Enjoy, Share – and Think Before You Vote – Vote With Common Sense...
    An average kiwi | 20-08
  • Jobs After Coal: Full Report, Summary Report, and Presentation Now Availabl...
    Jobs After Coal is Coal Action Network Aotearoa’s report, released in May 2014, that shows how coal mining communities can move beyond dependence on coal jobs – and how we can provide a just transition for workers in the coal industry into other...
    Coal Action | 20-08
  • When Stupid meets Hypocrisy, the result is David Farrar – *Update*
    . . Further to National Party  blogger, pollster, and political apparatchik making this  public post on Facebook; . . To quote in cut-and-pastable text; “For reasons I’ll make clear tomorrow, but should not be hard to guess, I need to...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • When Stupid meets Hypocrisy, the result is David Farrar – *Update*
    . . Further to National Party  blogger, pollster, and political apparatchik making this  public post on Facebook; . . To quote in cut-and-pastable text; “For reasons I’ll make clear tomorrow, but should not be hard to guess, I need to...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • The terrifying genius of the Islamic State
    The horrific beheading of American journalist James Foley, at the hands of a so-called Islamic State (IS) militant with a British accent, has caused an earthquake on the mainstream and social media platforms.It was at once a video of a...
    Pundit | 20-08
  • Proof
    Here's a tweet from Felix Marwick this morning: What the PM said about his knowledge of Slater's SIS OIA http://t.co/u8AmXeX7jy What the SIS told me in 2011 pic.twitter.com/tPNvehTzJ0 — Felix Marwick (@felixmarwick) August 20, 2014 This is very serious. To...
    Polity | 20-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    Frankly Speaking | 20-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has today released an email from the General Manager of the National Party that directly contradicts recent statements from the Prime Minister in relation to the 2011 breaches of Labour Party website databases. In his stand-up...
    Labour | 16-08
  • Labour committed to a healthier NZ for all
    A Labour Government will shift the focus of the health system from narrow targets and short term thinking to make public health and prevention a priority, Labour’s health spokesperson Annette King says. Releasing Labour’s full Health policy today she said...
    Labour | 15-08
  • Time Key took responsibility for Collins
    It is well past time for John Key to take some responsibility for the misuse of power and information by his Minister Judith Collins, and follow through on his last warning to her, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “The evidence released...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Dear John, time to answer a few questions… – Harawira
    “When Cameron Slater says about Kim Dotcom ‘I have lots on him…death by a thousand cuts…wait till you see what comes out in coming weeks on that fat c***t’, you have to ask whether this is the same Cameron Slater...
    Mana | 14-08
    “This week suicide has claimed yet more lives in whanau and communities in Ikaroa Rawhiti, and my heart goes out to those who are dealing with such a tragic loss”, says MANA candidate for Te Ikaroa Rawhiti, Te Hamua Nikora....
    Mana | 14-08
  • Offshore betting in Labour’s sights
    A Labour Government will clamp down on offshore gambling websites that deprive the local racing industry of funds, Labour’s Racing spokesperson Ross Robertson says. Releasing Labour’s racing policy today, he said betting on offshore websites is a major threat to...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Key has serious questions to answer on Dirty Politics
    John Key must answer the serious questions raised in Nicky Hager’s new book which reveal examples of dirty politics that New Zealanders will be deeply concerned about, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Many people will be disturbed by the evidence...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Creating an inclusive society for disabled people
    A Labour Government will provide free annual health checks for people with an intellectual disability, Labour’s Disability Issues spokesperson Ruth Dyson said today in announcing Labour’s Disability Issues policy. “We will also employ another 100 additional special education teachers and...
    Labour | 14-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA name change
    This is to advise all media that on the 24th of July the ‘Mana’ party name was officially changed to ‘MANA Movement’ under the Electoral Act 1993.  The inclusion of the word ‘Movement’ in our name shouldn’t come as a surprise...
    Mana | 13-08
  • New Zealand must help in the growing Iraq crisis
    The humanitarian crisis in Iraq looks certain to get worse before it gets better,” said David Shearer Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson. “New Zealand should urgently pledge increased humanitarian assistance to United Nations agencies and NGOs present on the ground....
    Labour | 13-08
  • Allegations of migrant worker rort should be investigated
    Labour is calling for an investigation into the alleged exploitation of workers at Hutt Railway workshops, hired to repair asbestos-riddled DL locomotives. Hutt South Labour MP Trevor Mallard has written to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment asking that...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Medical and dentistry students get reprieve under Labour
    A Labour Government will restore the right of medical and dentistry students to get student loans after seven years of study because it is the right thing to do, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says. “Hard on the heels...
    Labour | 13-08
  • National must stop meddling with ACC before the election
    The redesign currently occurring at the Accident Claims Corporation (ACC) for sensitive claims needs to be put on hold immediately, said the Green Party today.The Green Party is concerned about work currently underway at ACC involving the sensitive claims service...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Markets slow but first home buyers still hurting
    First home buyers are hurting more than ever as the supply of affordable houses in the market dries up, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “The Reserve Bank will be happy LVR minimum deposits and rising interest rates have dampened...
    Labour | 13-08
  • Green Party celebrates MOU win on contaminated sites
    The Green Party is celebrating the announcement of a national register of contaminated sites today, and $2.5 million to start cleaning two sites up. The Green Party and the National Party agreed to include toxic site management work in their...
    Greens | 13-08
  • Emergency staff at breaking point
    The Southern DHB is so cash-strapped it is failing to fill nursing rosters, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson David Clark says.  “Every day emergency department nurses arrive at work knowing they are likely to be carrying more than their recommended workload. ...
    Labour | 12-08
  • ACC minister fails in mission to change culture
    The latest damning report by the Auditor General shows that the ACC Minister has failed to fulfil her mission to fix the sick culture at ACC and real change will not come till a new Government is elected, the Green...
    Greens | 12-08
  • Labour’s regional development fund to support Palmerston North
    Labour will consider a proposal to develop an inland port at Palmerston North, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The Palmerston North community has developed plans for an inland port which will bring jobs and economic growth to a region which...
    Labour | 12-08
  • Green Party announces priorities for Christchurch
    The Green Party has today announced its plan for a fairer, smarter and more democratic Canterbury rebuild, with a focus on smart transport solutions, restoring local democracy, and keeping Christchurch's assets.The plan sits across all of the Green Party's priorities...
    Greens | 11-08
  • Rock-star economy unplugged by China log jam
    The collapse of log prices due to oversupply in China threatens to wash the gloss off what remains of National's so-called rock-star economy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “Already this year the price of milk solids has plunged by more...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Young job seekers dealt a poor hand
    National's "keep 'em poor" card for young people on a benefit is a sorry substitute for job training, Labour’s Social Development spokesperson Sue Moroney says.  The Government today announced it would extend its payment card scheme to all teen parents...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Labour – achieving change for Kiwi women
    Working towards being a world leader in eliminating violence against women and children will be a priority for a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Women’s Affairs policy today spokesperson Carol Beaumont said while Labour had a proud track record of achieving...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Accessible healthcare also affordable
      It is obvious from Tony Ryall’s hasty attack of Labour’s plans to extend free GP visits to older people that he hasn’t bothered to actually read the policy, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King says. "Mr Ryall’s response to Labour’s...
    Labour | 11-08
  • Full details of oil execs’ junket revealed
    Full details of a $237,000 taxpayer-funded oil executives' junket in 2011 have emerged.National paid the nearly quarter of a million dollars to wine and dine 11 oil executives in New Zealand during the World Cup.The trip included yachting, wine tasting,...
    Greens | 10-08
  • Nats sold 500 rugby fields of land a day offshore
    Under National over one million hectares of land has been approved for overseas sale – 16 times the size of Lake Taupō or the equivalent of five hundred rugby fields a day, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “According to...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Joyce’s dodgy sums fool no-one
    Steven Joyce's attempt to attack Labour's positive plan for affordable healthcare will fool no-one. "We knew that National would try to say that we can't afford free GP visits and prescriptions for the New Zealanders who need it. But, as...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Campaign Launch – Ready to Win
    Today I launched Labour's election campaign at the Viaduct Events Centre, Auckland. Here is the speech I gave....
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour extends free GP visits, free prescriptions
    Nearly 40 per cent of Kiwis – or 1.7 million people – will be eligible for free doctors’ visits and free prescriptions under a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Last year more than half a million New Zealanders...
    Labour | 10-08
  • Labour promises a fairer ACC for all Kiwis
    Accident compensation for loss of potential earnings will rise under a Labour Government, while people not earning at the time of their accident will also be eligible for compensation, Labour’s ACC spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. Releasing Labour’s ACC policy today...
    Labour | 08-08
  • NZ Govt must push for fair play in Fiji elections
    The New Zealand Government needs to do more to push for human rights and media freedom in Fiji as it stages its first election since the 2006 coup, the Green Party said today.Amnesty International has released a report which documents...
    Greens | 07-08
  • Herald Poll – Why the Greens will hit 15%
    The biggest problem for John Key is that there are swathes of National Party voters who are educated and decent people whom will be forced to read Dirty Politics out of intellectual curiosity and will be horrified by what National...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Dirty Politics and Dirty Media
    The Nicky Hager book is mind blowing on so many levels. The revelations of government ministers and their staff colluding with vile and hateful schemers to attack other people, is truly ugly. When the dust settles on the illegalities, immoralities...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • “You just have to keep on fighting” – an interview with Metiria Turei
    We’re meeting in her office. It’s austere, though she does have a nice teapot. The view is startling. One can map the Bowen Triangle, though the teapot is still more interesting. A group of pink faced men are running across...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Taxation and Real Estate – turning housing debate on its head
    The debate about property prices in New Zealand is disingenuous. It is clear that there is a global process in which speculators are using massive amounts of unspent and borrowed money to blow bubbles in the world’s major asset markets....
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Michael Wood – Faith and politics
    In a week which has seen our collective focus shift to those who see politics as a great game to be manipulated for their own ends, it is timely to reflect on the fact that many people are in fact...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Government’s Own Guidelines Show John Key Would Have Been Informed Of SIS...
    Analysis by Selwyn Manning. INFORMATION THAT I HAVE ACQUIRED, sourced from the State Services Commission, states in black and white the tight guideline requirements that must be followed whenever the SIS informs a Prime Minister of any pending release of...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Simply Not Credible: Dr Tucker’s “clarifications” are only making thi...
    THAT DR WARREN TUCKER, Director of the Security Intelligence Service in 2011, agreed to the release of politically sensitive material – thereby intervening in an on-going contretemps between the leaders of the National and Labour parties – without receiving the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: Evidence of Collusion between the NZ Herald and Imm...
    . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the Herald...
    The Daily Blog | 21-08
  • Dear Canon NZ – Malevolence should induce revulsion, it shouldn’t be ce...
    Giovanni Tiso’s analysis on Slater is possibly the best in NZ… It’s been a good week for some of us. A week of feeling vindicated, offeeling galvanised. Where it goes from here will depend on several factors, some of which are largely...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • 5AA Australia: After Dirty Politics Can National Provide Stable Government?
    AS WE ALL KNOW New Zealanders and Australians do not like political parties that are unstable, or can no longer assure us that they are able to provide stable government. And the big question for Kiwis as we prepare to...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • SIS letter means it’s over for Key
    It’s over. I may not agree with all of Phil Goff’s positions, but you can’t question his integrity the way Slater did in Dirty Politics and not be deeply concerned that our Secret Intelligence Agency is being used for political...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • who to vote for in Epsom
    who to vote for in Epsom...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • The Rise and Fall of John Key – who will be the next leader of National P...
    . . It was all set to go: Teamkey would be the cult of personality that would do Stalin, Mao, Reagan, Thatcher, or any of the Nth Korean Kim Dynasty, proud.  National and it’s “Teamkey” propaganda strategy   would cash-in Big Time...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Who said Kiwis couldn’t get a fire in their bellies over an arcane intern...
    An amazing team of activists has taken the campaign on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) to local governments throughout the country. Their latest triumph came last Monday when the Dunedin City Council endorsed a resolution expressing concern about the TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National’s Dangerous Education Agenda Exposed
    Putting aside the dirty politics coming out of the Beehive and the right-wing blogisphere, there are some very strong signals that another term of a National Government would do even more serious damage to the public education system. The Education...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • We can have clean politics and get our democracy back.
    Something is rotten in our politics and it stinks. Dirty politics has sadly become one of the defining features of this election campaign. In the light of recent revelations about the extent of nasty and disingenuous political strategies, it would...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Book burning copies of Hager’s book? The next generation of National Part...
    It seems we are getting the next generation of National Party Dirty Politics now. There are claims the Young Nats in Hamilton are buying up copies of Dirty Politics and burning them. One witness was contacted by the Waikato Times...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • National Party Poetry Day Haiku
    Key’s inbox and Cam’s poison most foul, there he blows hoist by own harpoon...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Why Cunliffe will be the next PM
    David Cunliffe will be the next Prime Minister of NZ. Labour’s inclusive and positive TV adverts… …are in stark contrast to National’s team of white people powering away from the rabble of the ‘others’… …the messaging is vital and crucial...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • From smiling assassin to grumpy butcher – on giving Judith Collins a last...
    After #dirtypolitics Key isn’t the smiling assassin, he is the grumpy butcher. When he said Judith had  a ‘last chance’ he meant 1 second after voting closes on 20th September. Key would love nothing more than to cut Collins loose and end...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • If the National Party rowing advert was real….
    If the National Party rowing advert was real there would be more blood in the water. If the National Party rowing advert was real it would be Cameron Slater calling the strokes. If the national Party rowing advert was real,...
    The Daily Blog | 20-08
  • Cameron Slater: Zionist and political pundit
    It is hard to know where to start with right-wing blogger Cameron Slater (Whale Oil), especially after the release of Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics. This confirmed everything many of us thought Slater to be: a snivelling pundit who serves...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Bryce Edwards stood down from Herald for election season??? Are the editors...
    I only found this out via twitter last night and I am still in shock. Bryce Edwards, easily the best critical thinker and news analyst the NZ Herald has has been stood down by the NZ Herald ‘for the election...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • So who’s a “conspiracy theorist” now?!
    . . As the media storm over Nicky Hager’s book, “Dirty Politics“,  and allegations over smear campaigns continue to swirl,  National’s spin doctors have given Key, Collins, and other National Party ministers a string of  phrases to use in all...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Momentum shift
    When you are deeply immersed in a local campaign sometimes it can be difficult to see the helicopter view.   I don’t know how accurate the political polls are and have always known that things can change quickly in politics...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Dear Toby Manhire. Bad call on backing Farrar
    Oh dear. I say this as someone who regards Toby Manhire as one of the smartest journalists/commentators/columnists this country has, and I think Toby has made a terribly dumb call here. Let’s see if Toby is still singing Farrar’s praises...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Radio NZ apologise to me for getting it wrong
    Radio NZ have contacted me, reviewed the claim by their host that I had an advance copy of Nicky Hager’s book and they have concluded they got it wrong, they have called me and apologised and will make a statement...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Reclaim UoA – Students’ Message to Steven Joyce
    Tertiary Education – we’ve been sold a lemon  A group of 30 students attended an event on Tuesday evening about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which the Minister of Tertiary Education Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Can someone in the media please ask the PM of NZ to categorically deny any ...
    Now we see the MO of Slater & Co, the setting up, the digging for dirt, the use of staff to dig that dirt, can the Prime Minister of NZ categorically deny any National Party staff worked with Cam Slater...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Panic setting in for National as they realise what’s about to happen
    And the terror starts to set in. I’ve never seen blind panic like this before  and it’s spreading as the enormity of what’s about to happen starts to sink in. Hager’s book is a mere entree, Nicky’s personal ethics wouldn’t...
    The Daily Blog | 19-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics: what the book ultimately reveals is abuse of powe...
    Guide to the many faces of John Key Nicky’s book is now doing what I suspected it would do, create a shockwave of revulsion. Andrew Geddis over at Pundit Blog sums up this attitude best, and it’s reverberations build with every...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Fancy taking children seriously
    Let’s see why all political parties should pay close attention to the Green Party’s policy for children. First, it is a comprehensive attempt to put children, not ideology, at the heart of family policy. Wow, children at the heart of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Amnesty International: Dear Azerbaijan, Stop Torture, Love Kiwi Kids
    This is a world where many adults often underestimate Generation Y. Being only a few years out of being a teenager myself, I feel I can make this statement with certainty. However, I have been the Youth Intern at Amnesty...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GCSB meetings today in Christchurch 1pm at Uni 7pm at Cathedral
    The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. 1pm at Canterbury University bottom floor James Height Building: Chair: Bomber Bradbury Ruth Dyson – Labour Party...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about
    Things that 7 Sharp should probably be talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Guide to when Key is lying
    Guide to when Key is lying...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The State of the Student Nation …or is just Al...
    Students politics are dead and our student media is in terminal decline. The most disappointing thing about university is the politics, or should I say lack of? I was raised with the idea that students held the power.They were the...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Love Lifts Us Up: Thoughts from the Green Party’s campaign launch.
    Author Eleanor Catton wants people to give their party vote to the Greens.Photo by Peter Meecham NO ONE WAS QUITE SURE how he did it. Somehow Bob Harvey had persuaded the owners of the rights to Joe Cocker’s Up Where...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Test Stream
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    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • LIVE STREAM: You, Me and the GCSB ChCh Public Meetings
    LIVE STREAM EVENT here at 1pm & 7pm: The 2014 GCSB meetings to discuss the mass surveillance state legislation passed by this Government will be debated in Christchurch today at two different meetings. PLEASE NOTE: TDB recommends Chrome and Firefox...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today,
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • How @whaledump might destroy the popular vote for National
    Dirty Politics is now creating a meltdown and National are in danger of a total vote collapse. The real threat to for National was if Nicky had all the emails released via the anonymous hacker who took them. That danger is now a...
    The Daily Blog | 18-08
  • Open letter to Radio NZ – you need to make a retraction now
    I have just sent this off to Radio NZ right now Dear Radio NZ Firstly, what a great interview by Guyon Espiner this morning with the Prime Minister. Great to see such hard hitting journalism. Unfortunately I am not contacting...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Radio NZ are lying about me
    I am getting this all second hand at the moment as I don’t bother listening to Radio NZ (except for that wonderful Wallace Chapman in the weekends) but there is a claim that Suzie Ferguson just insinuated on Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Farrar’s fake claim of being invaded + Slater’s claims of death threats...
    The counter spin to avoid focus on the series allegations made in Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics continues. David Farrar’s ridiculous hysterics that he was invaded and his privacy has been blah blah blah has all been reduced from computer hacking to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • A shout out to the unsung heroes – our Public Service staff
    Government departments, particularly in the social welfare, education and health areas get a lot of shtick. And it’s not unjustified. We have problems in the way that our government departments treat those in need. And I do not intend to...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Key’s ducking for cover – utterly unbelievable!!!
    .   . I don’t often re-print media stories verbatim – but this piece by Andrea Vance, for Fairfax Media,  deserves wider circulation. Please note the highlighted statements by Dear Leader as he ducks, weaves, obfuscates, and deflects any and...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Hager’s Dirty Politics – Who is the source of Hager’s emails?
    Who is the source of Hager’s emails? Kim Dotcom has categorically denied he has anything to do with this and Nicky Hager has categorically denied that Kim was the source of the emails. Whatever you think about Kim (and he...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Dirty Politics – Audio+Text Why It Is Essential Raw Data Be Released Imme...
    MIL OSI – Source: RadioLive – Sunday Panel Analysis Headline: Dirty Politics – Audio Analysis by Selwyn Manning + Rodney Hide + Mark Sainsbury MIL Video: Selwyn Manning, Rodney Hide, and Mark Sainsbury discuss and debate the explosive details revealed...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • TV One and TV3 Political Polls – not such a landslide now
    Before the impact of Dirty Politics has been felt, the National Party high point in the Polls had been reached and their inevitable  drop begins. Despite the mainstream media telling NZers for almost 3 years that John Key would win...
    The Daily Blog | 17-08
  • Commissioner of Police v Kim Dotcom And Ors
    An order is made extending the duration of the registration of the restraining orders issued by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia on 10 and 25 January 2012 and registered in New Zealand on 18...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Labour Announcement on Future of Hillside Workshops Welcome
    Labour leader David Cunliffe’s announcement in Dunedin today that a government led by his party would re-open Hillside Railway workshops was welcomed by the Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU). ‘Since the workshops were shut down in late...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Primary teachers and principals vote to put kids first
    Teachers and principals have voted overwhelmingly against the Government’s controversial “Investing in Educational Success” policy, including proposed highly-paid principal and teacher roles....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunkett: Educating for Success
    In all the turmoil stirred up by the "Dirty Politics" revelations, the real issues that the campaign should be about have been put to one side....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Dirty Politics – Number One Bestseller and Back in Stores
    An exposé of the hidden side of New Zealand politics, Nicky Hager's book, Dirty Politics , has been in hot demand since its release last Wednesday....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Epsom: profiling NZ’s most controversial electorate
    Welcome to the wealthy inner Auckland electorate of Epsom: home of coat-tailing, the Tea Tapes, a convicted outgoing MP... and heavy newspaper and magazine readership....
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • Families Free From Violence campaign and website
    We are pleased to announce the launch of our Families Free From Violence campaign and our new Families Free From Violence website. This website has been created to encourage people to take responsibility for ending family violence by seeking help...
    Scoop politics | 21-08
  • PSA And DHBs Reach Settlement on Five Collective Agreements
    The 20 District Health Boards are pleased to reach settlement via mediation on five Multi Employer Collective Agreements (MECAs) with the Public Service Association for 12,000 mental and public health nurses, allied, public health and technical staff,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Refusal to complete census results in 46 convictions
    Failing to fill out a census form has resulted in the convictions of 46 people, Statistics New Zealand said today....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Council Amalgamations Still Bad Deal
    Northland, Bay of Plenty, and Wellington ratepayers should not be seduced into accepting the amalgamation of their Councils by a recent amendment to legislation allowing for local boards not community boards, Chris Leitch, Democrats for Social Credit...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • DHB industrial action withdrawn
    The Public Service Association (PSA) has withdrawn notices of industrial action covering 12,000 health workers at District Health Boards (DHBs) across New Zealand, after progress was made in mediation....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Aged Care Pledge Needs Better Target, Says Care Agency
    Labour’s pledge to set up an aged care working group to address industry concerns is good to see, but appears to skirt the obvious issue of a looming lack of beds and carers for our rapidly growing elderly population, says...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Social inequality still rife in New Zealand
    Social inequality has worsened over the past decade in New Zealand, a new study from Victoria University of Wellington shows....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Working towards a living wage and more Māori in paid work
    The Māori Party will build on the gains it has already achieved in Government and accelerate job opportunities particularly for young Māori....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Deepwater Group Supports Changes to Catch Limits
    The Deepwater Group says the increase in the Total Allowable Commercial Catch for hoki shows the benefits of a long term commitment to build biomass in this major New Zealand fishery....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Ohariu candidate Sean Fitzpatrick
    “Our Ohariu candidate will be Sean Fitzpatrick. Sean has strong ties to the region and I’m glad to hear he will be doing his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the area,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • ACT announces Tauranga candidate Stuart Pederson
    “Our Tauranga candidate will be Stuart Pedersen. Stuart has strong ties to Tauranga and I’m glad he has agreed to do his best to grow ACT’s party vote in the electorate,” says Dr Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party scores massive own goal
    Green Party scores massive own goal as their own policy auditor criticises their fiscal plan...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Green Party’s own Auditor of their Budget finds it dodgy
    “The Alternative Budget released by the Green's does not even stack up in the eyes of their chosen auditor – Infometrics” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • New shark finning laws fall short for threatened species
    Environmental groups are welcoming some aspects of a raft of law changes announced today in relation to shark finning, but say that overall the chance for New Zealand to catch up with international efforts in shark conservation is being missed....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Promoting Labour’s Positive Policies
    General Secretary of the New Zealand Labour Party, Tim Barnett, today launched Labour’s television advertisements for the 2014 election. The advertisements help tell Labour’s positive story for a better New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug Court: Rare Insight into New Alternative Justice Model
    Māori Television’s latest New Zealand documentary presents a fascinating look inside a new alternative justice model – through the stories of convicted criminals....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Political parties pledge to increase overseas aid
    A survey of political parties looking at how much New Zealand should spend on Official Development Assistance (ODA) shows the overwhelming majority of parties are committed to raising the bar according to the Council for International Development (CID)....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Top Kiwis backing Tip the Scales campaign
    Sir Graham Henry, former All Black Kees Meeuws, singer-song writer Jamie McDell and fishing guru Matt Watson have pledged their support to Tip the Scales, a pre-election campaign generating public support for rebuilding New Zealand’s depleted inshore...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Maritime Union continues to press over dirty politics
    Maritime Union National President Garry Parsloe says Ports of Auckland management is trying to get off the hook from its involvement with extreme right wing bloggers during the Ports of Auckland dispute....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • No end in sight to overwhelming human cost of conflict
    Two ceasefires have brought some respite to civilians in Gaza and southern Israel, amid hope that a durable cessation of hostilities might occur. In Gaza, these breaks in the fighting have barely given people enough time to seek medical care,...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Young Kiwi speakers to represent NZ at Gallipoli 2015
    The RSA is delighted at the announcement made by Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Woodhouse today, that all eight regional finalists of the 2015 ANZ RSA Cyril Bassett VC Speech Competition will be included in a group of 25 Youth Ambassadors...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • “Bromance” Marriage Stunt Insulting Says LegaliseLove
    A promotional competition asking two best mates to get married in order to win an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2015 Rugby World Cup is insulting, marriage equality campaign LegaliseLove Aotearoa claims....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Cannabis Party first to register for 2014 General Election
    The Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party became the first party to register for the 2014 General Election today, when it meet with the Electoral Commission in Wellington at Midday....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • PGA: Addresses NZ’s ratification of Arms Trade Treaty
    President of Parliamentarians for Global Action and New Zealand MP Ross Robertson today addressed a celebration to mark New Zealand’s imminent ratification of the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which is expected within the next few weeks....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Roy Morgan Poll August 20
    National (48%) holds its lead over Labour/ Greens (39%) as ‘Dirty Politics’ revelations provide a new challenge for PM John Key’s leadership. NZ First surge to 6.5% - highest support since September 2013....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security (IGIS), Cheryl Gwyn, announced today that she would be instituting an inquiry concerning allegations that the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (NZSIS) might have released official information...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Glen Scanlon to Head Digital Media at Radio New Zealand
    Radio New Zealand has announced the appointment of Glen Scanlon to the recently created position of head of digital media....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Israel’s Gaza ceasefire violations go unreported
    It seems that it is only ceasefire violations that emanate from the Palestinian side that ever get publicised....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Drug courier sentenced for importing heroin
    South African drug courier, Laura Elizabeth Cilliers, was sentenced today in the Christchurch District Court to 7 years and 10 months in prison for importing approximately 1.2 kilograms of heroin....
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Residential Property Speculators Days Numbered
    Rent heat cools as homes are replaced ... Liz McDonald ... The Press http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/10400851/Rent-heat-cools-as-homes-are-replaced Comment on thread (in moderation) … Christchurch is a “severely unaffordable” City as the Annual Demographia Survey ( www.demographia.com ) illustrates … thanks...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Academic’s study shows need for a Ministry of Public Input
    A book by Associate Professor Jennifer Lees-Marshment recommends the creation of a Ministry of Public Input to collect, process and communicate the publics’ ideas to government. The University of Auckland’s political marketing expert says the...
    Scoop politics | 20-08
  • Government inaction killing innocent motorists
    Innocent people are dying due to long delays in installing centre lane barriers on high risk roads, says an outspoken road safety campaigner....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Property revaluations for council rates must be reformed
    Opportunity to bring controls on rating value changes and more equitable level of annual rates increase...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ron Mark Sets the Example
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the pledge by Mayor of Carterton and NZ First candidate Ron Mark who has announced he would relinquish his roles as Mayor and member of two District Health Boards if successfully elected to Parliament. Taxpayers’...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election
    MEDIA RELEASE: Angry rural communities want issue of 1080 aerial drops taken to the polls, says party co-leader Ban 1080 Candidates announced for 2014 General Election...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Governor General Gives Direction to Conduct Election
    The Governor General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has given the green light for this year’s General Election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • New Zealand Animal Groups Unite to Help
    WELLINGTON (19 Aug 2014) – The Be Cruelty-Free campaign to ban animal testing of cosmetics in New Zealand just got bigger and stronger, as two leading animal protection groups come on board. Joining forces with Humane Society International which has...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Students Interrupt Steven Joyce at University Event
    A group of 30 students this evening interrupted an event about ‘the future of tertiary education’ at which Tertiary Education Minister Steven Joyce was slated to speak. As Joyce began to speak, students interrupted with a speech of their own....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Caritas among first responders offering relief in Iraq
    As the plight of Iraqis fleeing persecution reaches tragic levels, Caritas Aotearoa New Zealand has pledged an initial $10,000 to support the work of Caritas in Iraq to provide humanitarian aid to thousands of families affected by the war and...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • iPredict 2014 Election Update #31: Nats take hit
    Election race narrows significantly · National party vote now below Labour/Greens · National’s probability of leading next government dips to 72% · Joyce expected to take over as National leader before end of 2015, as Collins’ prospects fall...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Call for applications – Fulbright scholar awards
    Fulbright New Zealand calls for applications to a range of scholar awards for New Zealand academics, artists and professionals to undertake academic and cultural exchanges to the United States of America. A Fulbright exchange provides life-changing opportunities...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • CWS launches appeal for Iraqis on World Humanitarian Day
    Christian World Service is appealing for help for tens of thousands of Iraqis caught up in one of the world’s horrifying conflicts....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Promoting the Voice of the Rangatahi
    Young Māori voters are seen by the Māori Party to have a vital part to play in saving the Māori seats in Parliament says the Māori Party’s youngest candidate, Reverend Te Hira Paenga. “What we’re hearing on the ground is...
    Scoop politics | 19-08
  • Nelson Election Candidates’ Community Forum
    Nelson’s community and volunteer sector has some serious questions to put to the local candidates in the run up to next month’s general election....
    Scoop politics | 19-08
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