web analytics

The innocent have nothing to fear?

Written By: - Date published: 10:50 am, August 21st, 2013 - 18 comments
Categories: newspapers, Spying, uk politics - Tags: , , ,

Forget the hypotheticals – the likely future for journalism under the GCSB Bill was revealed in Britain when David Miranda, partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, was detained by British police for nine hours under Britain’s Terrorism Act while in transit through London on his way home to Brazil.

He was questioned by a relay of six officers, all his electronic equipment was confiscated. After the nine hour limit this “terrorist” was released into Britain! All because his partner has been the journalist who wrote about the revelations about internet surveillance provided by Edward Snowden.

The White House said the British government took the decision to detain Miranda. No 10 initially refused to comment, saying it was an operational matter for the police. Later in the day they admitted that both David Cameron and Theresa May, the Home Office secretary, had been briefed beforehand.

Simon Jenkins’ comment is headed “So the innocent have nothing to fear? After David Miranda we know where this leads.” Too true, and from 12,000 miles away I fear too late. Time for all the media to wake up though.

 [Bunji: also note GCHQ in the UK destroying Guardian hard drives – despite the pointlessness of the action in these days of the cloud. As they told the editor: “You’ve had your debate, there’s no need to write any more.”]

18 comments on “The innocent have nothing to fear?”

  1. Bill 1

    My first reaction when I read about Miranda the other day was that the authorities were principally attempting to create a diversion. Surely, there is no way on this earth that Miranda would have been carrying any information pertinent to Snowdon’s revelations? And surely the ‘security’ services are smart enough to realise that too.

    However, having failed to smear Snowdon or make him the center of attention, plan ‘B’ may well revolve around attempts to make Greenwald and ‘the Guardian the story, rather than the revelations. And if they can follow up with some dirt on Greenwald or his partner and make it stick in some people’s minds, then hey…

    Looking at the Guardian yesterday and today, if that was the intent, it seems to have borne some fruit. The banners are all on Miranda and the editor of the Guardian, Rusbridger, explaining why he’d rather destroy hard drives than surrender them (…should have named the fcking agents or representatives who turned up at the Guardian offices imo, but anyway…). Again – the ‘security’ services know full damned well that it not the case that a pile of information sits on one unique hard drive.

    My mind goes back to the initial interviews with Snowdon and the effort he made (unlike Assange) to ensure that he was not going to be the story and that the focus was on the information he had provided. And I hope this latest episode isn’t the beginnings of the focus being shifted or diluted.

    • karol 1.1

      Diversion, but also intimidation.

      • Bill 1.1.1

        Miranda was certainly intimidated. But Greenwald? He seems to be a guy who acts from heart felt conviction. And the thing with conviction is that attempts to intimidate usually backfire. I believe Greenwald has intimated that to be the case in this instance.

        • Colonial Viper 1.1.1.1

          as someone else has already written, even the Italian mafia had rules against targeting the loved ones of enemies.

    • Colonial Viper 1.2

      Surely, there is no way on this earth that Miranda would have been carrying any information pertinent to Snowdon’s revelations? And surely the ‘security’ services are smart enough to realise that too.

      Miranda had just spent a week with the film maker Laura Poitras who was with Edward Snowden in HK alongside Glenn Greenwald.

      Miranda was physically couriering USB sticks and HDDs containing sets of Snowden documents between Poitras and Greenwald.

      I understand that all those electronic storage devices were heavily encrypted but I guess the spooks who confiscated Miranda’s gear are having a go at it now.

      • Bill 1.2.1

        I know Miranda had visited Poitras. But the idea that he was couriering sensitive info just beggars belief. As every competent drug smuggler knows, you get some ‘off the radar’ type to do the couriering.

        From what I’ve read, Miranda had no idea what was on the sticks. My punt is that they are either blank or full of smash and that ‘Granny McTavish’ was couriering anything of worth.

  2. Curtis 2

    I’m more scared of the police than Al Qaeda

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      i generally like the police but they have shot far more people in NZ without reason than AQ has…

  3. tracey 3

    Collins and banks sound like they have stuff to hide such is their outrage and the chance their emails could be read.

  4. Don’t be surprised if the Nat’s suddenly “discover ‘ emails etc that give them a reason to postpone the next election. It would not be the first time .The National Government under the Ghastly Fascist like Sidney Holland did just that in 1951,

    • Daveosaurus 4.1

      Not so. They actually brought the election forward – it wasn’t due until 1952.

      What Sid Holland did was what Muldoon did in 1981 – basically trolled (in the Internet sense of the word) the electorate. In 1952, they were dumb enough to believe it. In 1981, almost enough of the electorate saw through Muldoon, who only scraped into power that year by suborning Bruce Beetham’s support.

  5. vto 6

    Well that’s it then.

    The fucking gestapo are back, just as we all suspected.

    heil heil heil

    goose-step

    achtung!

  6. When as a 15 year old I visited what was then Czechoslovakia. The Prague spring (Hmmm) had just been brutally beaten down by the Russian army. The big king Wensceslas square was grey, sombre and the only things shining in the walls of the huge buildings was the newly exposed stone surface from the bullets impacting when they shot peacefully protesting Citizens. In one corner there was a black patch of burned walkway were Jan Palach had burned himself in protest.

    We met with our hosts and they made sure we got some local currency cheap and we gave them their presents; stockings and chocolate.

    When we went for a local dinner we stopped all conversations in the village restaurant/inn as strangers were at all times regarded with the utmost paranoia.

    When we left we were stopped at the border. It was late in the afternoon and there was 30 cm of snow. Our entire car was emptied and every suitcase was emptied and when the soviet soldiers where done we where left to repack everything and it was bitterly cold.

    Why were we a young family of tourists forced to unpack our car and go through this thoroughly humiliating showdown? Well, Ludmilla and her son Honza (John) were known activists and we stayed in their cottage outside of Prague and they were watching everybody.

    You see being watched doesn’t necessarily mean the target gets arrested when they do something wrong but their partner might find that all of a sudden don’t have a job anymore because his boss got a phone call from a stranger saying that the partner is a “troublemaker” or their friends get arrested and harassed when coming away from a visit to that political blogger.

    Spying is not about confronting a person about a perceived crime. It is about fear, social isolation and controlling the paradigm. It is about people being destroyed not by open persecution but manipulating them into grinding poverty and isolation and destruction of communities and about forcing people into the dysfunctionality of groupthink.

    It is insidious, secretive and toxic. It is about using toxic shame and trauma and causing the victims of this frightening stalking technique to succomb to PTSD. Trust me there are things way worse than being confronted by the police because they think you did something bad.

    To slowly find your friends fading away, your partner losing his job because of your opinions and to loose everything you thought was yours while nobody tells you why that is? That is what is really scary!

    • vto 7.1

      Well said travellerev, very well said and reminded.

      Of course that soviet-bloc action by those soldiers etc you describe above has just been exactly replicated by the British here http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

      It is here folks. Dark soviet and Nazi era ways and means are operating within British and US society right now today. By easy lead that means us too.

      Be wary, watch out, know that everything is being recorded. Know that you cannot trust authority.

      The British are the new soviets
      The Americans the new Nazis

      The proof is unassailable…….

      F E A R . . .

      • travellerev 7.1.1

        Thanks VTO,

        I stopped blogging and gone to ground so to speak. I have too much at stake at the moment to even want to be part of this anymore. I also forked out for this https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ . I’m not saying that this is the one but my brother in law’s been using it for yonks and I trust him.

        • Sable 7.1.1.1

          My advice, steer clear of this kind of technology. It will just attract attention and then they will really start looking at you.

          Best advice, keep internet use simple. So sad to have to say that btw…..

    • Tracey 7.2

      Agreed, people who think that this is just about stopping terrorists are the real naïve in all this. Thought we might have heard from the RSA during all this. Afterall they died for our freedom.

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

  • Regions miss out again in Joyce’s Koru Lounge Fund
      The regions have missed out yet again with Steven Joyce offering just $10m a year for key regional development projects while trumpeting a bunch of re-heated announcements, says Labour’s Economic Development spokesperson David Clark. “The dairy downturn has put… ...
    21 hours ago
  • Children’s Commissioner misses out in Budget
      The Office of the Children’s Commissioner has missed out on a much needed boost in this year’s Budget, meaning they will be forced to continue their reduced monitoring role of CYFs residences, says Labour’s spokesperson for Children Jacinda Ardern. … ...
    23 hours ago
  • Communities miss out in Budget
    Budget 2017 has left community and NGO providers feeling exposed about the services they provide to vulnerable families especially in smaller towns and communities, says Labour’s Whānau Ora Spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta. “Approximately $40m will go into Whānau Ora to work… ...
    2 days ago
  • Budget2016: Two Worlds
    Sometimes I feel as if I live in two worlds. The world created by the National Government where everything is great and they’re doing a great job and the world as seen through the eyes of child advocates, community workers,… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    2 days ago
  • Parekura would be proud – MTS gets boost
    The Labour Party is ecstatic that the Māori Party have shown support for one of Labour’s proudest policies, says Labour’s Māori Broadcasting Spokesperson Peeni Henare.  “The Māori Television Service was launched in 2004 by the late Hon Parekura Horomia. ...
    2 days ago
  • Māori housing in state of emergency
    The Government needs to declare a state of emergency for Māori Housing, says Labour’s Māori Development spokesperson and Te Tai Tokerau MP Kelvin Davis. “The extra $3 million a year Māori Housing Network fund will not scratch the surface in… ...
    2 days ago
  • State house sell off in disarray after provider pulls out
     The Government should cancel its planned sell-off of state houses after the second big community housing provider pulled out leaving the process in disarray, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.  “It is time for the Government to back away from… ...
    2 days ago
  • Nothing in Budget to help police to solve crime
    The Police Minister has failed to make communities safer with virtually no new money in yesterday’s Budget for police to address the appalling burglary resolution rates, says Labour’s Police spokesperson Stuart Nash.  “It’s a disgrace there’s no money or aspiration… ...
    2 days ago
  • Blog – Budget 2016: What about ordinary working people?
    Ordinary working New Zealanders don’t fare very well from this Budget. Setting aside the spin from the Government, it contains a lot to be concerned about and a fudging of the numbers. Green Party workplace relations spokesperson Denise Roche For… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    2 days ago
  • Real wages go backwards for next two years
    New Zealanders’ real wages will fall for the next two years as the cost of living outpaces forecast pay rises, says Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little. “New Zealanders have been doing it tough for far too long. They expect… ...
    2 days ago
  • The Attack on Public Education – by a thousand cuts
    Budget 2016 is another step towards the free public education system being a memory from the past. The Budget freezes the operations grant for schools and does not sufficiently cover the real increase in numbers of students entering the education system.… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    2 days ago
  • The Attack on Public Education – by a thousand cuts
    Budget 2016 is another step towards the free public education system being a memory from the past. The Budget freezes the operations grant for schools and does not sufficiently cover the real increase in numbers of students entering the education system.… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    2 days ago
  • The give with one hand – take with the other Budget
    The Minister of Health has pumped out media releases to 20 District Health Boards heralding increases in funding for their regions, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King. “But when you add population growth and inflation into the figures you get… ...
    2 days ago
  • Budget offers no hope of fixing housing crisis
    The Budget’s underwhelming housing measures will give New Zealanders no hope that National is capable of fixing the housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “There isn’t a scrap of an idea to help desperate young Kiwi families into… ...
    2 days ago
  • How the budget fails new New Zealanders
    Greens co-leader James Shaw was absolutely correct to say the 2016 budget is just papering over the cracks. There’s nothing in this budget to increase wages, address inequal pay for carers or deal with the shocking pay rates and employment… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    3 days ago
  • Parents will pay more as school budgets frozen
    Parents will pay more for their kids’ education as a result of this year’s Budget after the Government froze operational funding for schools, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “This means schools are effectively going backwards. They will need to… ...
    3 days ago
  • Sticking Plaster Budget fails the test
    Bill English’s penultimate Budget fails to tackle the structural challenges facing the economy – a housing crisis, rising unemployment, underfunded health and creaking infrastructure, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “This Budget applies a sticking plaster to a compound fracture.… ...
    3 days ago
  • John Key fails middle New Zealand with no fix for housing crisis, more underfunding of health
    Middle New Zealand has again missed out in this year’s Budget with not a single fix for the housing crisis, and health and education woefully underfunded again, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says. “This Budget is just a patchwork… ...
    3 days ago
  • Labour Bill would back Kiwi jobs
    The Government’s $40 billion of buying power would go towards backing Kiwi businesses and jobs under a Labour Member’s Bill which will be debated by Parliament, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says. “My Bill – which was pulled from… ...
    3 days ago
  • Julie Anne Genter: My Budget 2016 wish is fairness
    When my parents first visited me in Auckland ten years ago, they remarked on how there were no homeless people on the streets. Coming from Los Angeles, they were used to seeing the impacts of horrendous inequality and a lack… ...
    GreensBy Julie Anne Genter
    3 days ago
  • Steffan Browning: Pesticide reduction and Organic Growth Strategy in Budget 2016
    Pesticide reduction The Budget is an opportunity for the Government to launch a pesticide reduction strategy that multiplies the Environmental Protection Authority’s (EPA) and the Ministry for Primary Industries’ capacity to reassess pesticides and other toxins.  The Agricultural Compounds and… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning
    3 days ago
  • Steffan Browning: Pesticide reduction and Organic Growth Strategy in Budget 2016
    Pesticide reduction The Budget is an opportunity for the Government to launch a pesticide reduction strategy that multiplies the Environmental Protection Authority’s (EPA) and the Ministry for Primary Industries’ capacity to reassess pesticides and other toxins.  The Agricultural Compounds and… ...
    GreensBy Steffan Browning
    3 days ago
  • Minister won’t fess up on wrong figures
    The Minister of Health was caught out telling porkies in Parliament today when he was asked about the number of people getting access to mental health and addiction services, says Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette King. ...
    4 days ago
  • Budget 2016 and our LGBTQI communities
    LGBTI people make up about a tenth of our population, and our communities face a unique set of needs and challenges. These challenges are caused or exacerbated by discrimination, invisibility and barriers to appropriate support. We have a long way… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    4 days ago
  • Budget 2016 and our LGBTQI communities
    LGBTI people make up about a tenth of our population, and our communities face a unique set of needs and challenges. These challenges are caused or exacerbated by discrimination, invisibility and barriers to appropriate support. We have a long way… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    4 days ago
  • Scrambled announcement policy on the hoof
    Paula Bennett’s scrambled desperate announcement that she will pay homeless people to move to the regions is just the latest evidence of the disarray this Government’s housing policy is in, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says. “This is policy… ...
    4 days ago
  • Police Minister admits resolution rates fall short of expectation
    Police Minister Judith Collins has admitted in Parliament current burglary resolution rates are not meeting the expectations of our communities, says Labour’s Police spokesman Stuart Nash “Out of 284 police stations in New Zealand in 2015, 24 stations recorded zero… ...
    4 days ago
  • Mojo Mathers: A better deal for animals in Budget 2016
    Currently we are failing animals in NZ. On the face of it farmed and domestic animals in this country have strong legal protection from abuse, cruelty and neglect. In reality it seems that only the very worst, most extreme cases… ...
    GreensBy Mojo Mathers
    4 days ago
  • Metiria Turei: What we need from Budget 2016
    Every family deserves a warm decent home.  Everyone believes that. This housing crisis is just the latest consequence of a Government who puts the interests of the few wealthy people above the needs of NZ families.  Families are doing it… ...
    GreensBy Metiria Turei
    4 days ago
  • Dairy exports fall of 11%: Budget action on diversification needed
    Dairy exports have fallen 11 per cent compared to this time last year, a fall of almost $1.5b, showing the Government must take clear action on diversifying the economy in tomorrow’s Budget, says Labour’s Trade and Export Growth spokesperson David… ...
    4 days ago
  • Investors driving families out of homes in South and West Auckland
    Investors cashing in on skyrocketing Auckland house prices are driving families out of homes in South and West Auckland and causing homeownership rates in some of our poorest suburbs to plummet, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New analysis shows… ...
    4 days ago
  • Budget must deliver on paid parental leave
    Budget 2016 must deliver 26 weeks paid parental leave by April 2018 – anything less will be short-changing families, says Labour MP Sue Moroney. “My Bill which is before Parliament this afternoon has majority support and does just that. I… ...
    4 days ago
  • Key’s “brain fart” on tax cuts news to English
    John Key didn’t tell his own Finance Minister he was about to go on radio and announce he wanted $3b of tax cuts, just days after Bill English ruled them out, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “In Parliament today… ...
    5 days ago
  • What I’m looking for in Budget 2016 – A better start for our tamariki
    Ensuring the best start for our tamariki is a priority for me in everything I do. And so in Budget 2016, my first budget as an MP, I looking for the Government to make a real investment in the wellbeing… ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    5 days ago
  • What I’m looking for in Budget 2016 – A better start for our tamariki
    Ensuring the best start for our tamariki is a priority for me in everything I do. And so in Budget 2016, my first budget as an MP, I looking for the Government to make a real investment in the wellbeing… ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    5 days ago
  • Denise Roche: What I’m looking for in Budget 2016 Pt II
    Aotearoa’s new New Zealanders,  come to our country in vulnerable position: – often away from the culture, communities and families they know, sometimes in neighbourhoods without familiar faces and often encountering barriers to employment. With net migration at 50,000+ a… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    5 days ago
  • Equal Pay and Budget 2016
    The last few years we’ve seen equal pay for women flagged as an undefined risk in the budget. This year we should expect to see this, as well as budgeted money to deliver equal pay to caregivers and funding for,… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    5 days ago
  • Equal Pay and Budget 2016
    The last few years we’ve seen equal pay for women flagged as an undefined risk in the budget. This year we should expect to see this, as well as budgeted money to deliver equal pay to caregivers and funding for,… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    5 days ago
  • A great Budget would
    A great Budget would embrace the challenge of our polluted rivers and move the money away from justifying the status quo water rules into cleaning up waterways. A great Budget would take the Ministry for the Environment freshwater budget and… ...
    GreensBy Catherine Delahunty
    5 days ago
  • Budget building materials policy backfires
    On the eve of this year’s Budget official figures show Nick Smith’s Budget 2014 centrepiece to reduce the cost of building materials has backfired, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment officials have spent the… ...
    5 days ago
  • Smarter, Better, Cleaner, Stronger
    This Thursday Bill English will deliver his eighth Budget. Will it continue the trend of previous National budgets, making tertiary education less affordable, putting only token funds into innovation, and subsidising polluters? Budgets aren’t what they used to be. Once… ...
    GreensBy Gareth Hughes
    5 days ago
  • Govt must come clean on tax cuts in Budget
    National is making a mockery of the Budget process by dangling the promise of tax cuts but failing to include them in the Budget, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson Grant Robertson. “National’s tax cut promises have turned into a farce. One… ...
    6 days ago
  • Grant Robertson Pre-Budget Speech
    Today I want to talk about success. As we know success can come in many different forms, from the fact you all made it here at such an early hour on a Monday, for which I am very grateful, to… ...
    6 days ago
  • Budget must deliver for middle New Zealand
    The Government must ensure next week’s Budget stops the squeeze on middle New Zealand and delivers shared prosperity for all New Zealanders, Leader of the Opposition Andrew Little says. The call follows new research commissioned by Labour that shows working… ...
    7 days ago
  • Our housing emergency – why we have to act
    Marama and Metiria at Homes Not Cars launch On Thursday, Metiria Turei announced the Green Party’s plan to start addressing the emergency housing crisis facing our country. Too many people are without homes right now – homeless. It is the… ...
    GreensBy Marama Davidson
    1 week ago
  • Will funding boost for sexual violence services go to the right places?
    This week the Government announced $46million for sexual violence services. This announcement was a result of decades of work by advocates and everyone who submitted to the Select Committee inquiry into funding for sexual violence services that I initiated with… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    1 week ago
  • Will funding boost for sexual violence services go to the right places?
    This week the Government announced $46million for sexual violence services. This announcement was a result of decades of work by advocates and everyone who submitted to the Select Committee inquiry into funding for sexual violence services that I initiated with… ...
    GreensBy Jan Logie
    1 week ago
  • Denise Roche – What I’m looking for in this year’s Budget
    Two of the things I’ll be looking for in the Budget next week are more funding for refugees and for our arts and culture sector. More funding for refugees I’m a strong supporter of the #DoubleTheQuota campaign and its goals… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    1 week ago
  • Denise Roche – What I’m looking for in this year’s Budget
    Two of the things I’ll be looking for in the Budget next week are more funding for refugees and for our arts and culture sector. More funding for refugees I’m a strong supporter of the #DoubleTheQuota campaign and its goals… ...
    GreensBy Denise Roche
    1 week ago
  • Car rego victims must get a refund
    Motorists who have been overcharged for their car registration should get a refund, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Sue Moroney.  “Minister Nikki Kaye’s ‘faulty risk’ rating scheme has blown up in her face with over 170 different models of car having… ...
    1 week ago

Public service advertisements by The Standard

Current CO2 level in the atmosphere