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The Meridian flop

Written By: - Date published: 7:29 am, October 24th, 2013 - 143 comments
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What a disaster. Meridian has attracted only a quarter of a the so-called ‘mum and dad’ investors expected (and these ‘ordinary Kiwis’ put in $18,000 each on average). The sale raised a $1.2 billion less than National thought it would. And the cost, which was meant to be $100-$120m for the entire sales process, is now over quarter of a billion after just two sales. You’ve got to tell National to stop.

National’s trying to blame it on Labour and the Greens because they did the right thing and informed the public of their plans for cheaper power before the asset sales started. But let’s just get this straight: the decision to sell was National’s. If they don’t think they’re getting the price that they should for the sales, then they should stop them.

NZ Power has been public for six months (and the public love it), blaming it and other market conditions for the terrible result of the Meridian sale is illogical. If things are that bad, don’t sell the bloody thing and save the taxpayer a pile of cash.

Speaking of cost, the Greens’ Costwatch puts the total cost of the sales process before Meridian at $173m. The ‘buy now, pay later’ scheme will add another $50m in what is basically an interest-free loan to the rich and institutions. On top of that, the middlemen will gobble up another $40m. That takes the total cost so far to over quarter of a billion dollars. The sales were meant to cost 2% of revenue – it’s 7%. And it will just get worse and worse as dividends get paid out that should have gone into the public coffers. Already, we’ve lost $49m on Mighty River’s first dividend.

You’re going to get your chance to send National a message in the coming referendum. Make sure they hear it loud and clear.

143 comments on “The Meridian flop”

  1. vto 1

    Clayton Cosgrove hit the nail on the head with his comment;

    “If John Key was working for a bank like Merrill Lynch and the taxpayers were his client then he would have advised them not to do it”

    John Key is selling us out.

    • Ray 1.1

      One thing you can divine from this is that the movers and shakers in NZ (ie the people with money and influence) can see a government change coming

      And they don’t like it!

      “Cause it means that it is going to be difficult to be such a mover and shaker, even if they can make more money

      • King Kong 1.1.1

        One thing you can be pretty sure of is that Governments in New Zealand always change.

        The fact that you seem surprised by this just shows what terrible regard you had for the political left.

        p.s. It might not be next term though

    • Tat Loo 1.2

      Actually Clayton is misguided in this regard. These big investment banks do not act in their clients interests. They 100% always act in their own interests.

      The advice to the client would have been “of course” proceed, as there is no way that Merrill Lynch would have given up on tens of millions of commission by advising them not to.

      Some stupid and illusory rational like the need to “maintain confidence” would have been used.

      That’s how this game works, that’s how these banks continue to make billions in profits even as the global economy is running aground.

      • BLiP 1.2.1

        “If John Key was working for a bank like Merrill Lynch and the taxpayers were his client then he would have advised them not to do it”

        More to the point, if John Key was working for Merrill Lynch and carried out an IPO like this on its behalf, he would be sacked on the spot and possibly made personally liable for the losses because of the cavalier disregard of his fiduciary obligations to those he worked for.

        • Tat Loo 1.2.1.1

          Fiduciary obligations? Boy those old fashioned concepts went out the window a long time ago at these investment banks…

    • King Kong 1.3

      If NZ was Merrill Lynch and JK was running it, Cosgrove would have had the security guard with the black bin bag clean out his desk and confiscate his building entry cards, a long time ago.

      • Hanswurst 1.3.1

        So you consider Key to be an authoritarian at heart?

      • Pascal's bookie 1.3.2

        What ever happened to Merrill Lynch anyway? Oh same thing as what happened to pretty much company Key worked for.

        • King Kong 1.3.2.1

          Wildly successful when he was with them and didn’t fair well when he wasn’t there.

          I guess this could be spun a different way.

          • thatguynz 1.3.2.1.1

            Bullshit. They weren’t “wildly successful” at all. They were pulling the same shit when he was there, as what finally caught up with them and broke the company. To suggest otherwise is either naive or deliberately disingenuous.

            • Draco T Bastard 1.3.2.1.1.1

              KK is just another authoritarian follower defending his leader against all charges no matter what the evidence shows.

              • Akldnut

                “Wildly successful when he was with them and didn’t fair well when he wasn’t there.
                I guess this could be spun a different way.”

                Rubbish – That’s “he was the Messiah spin ”

                I see it like “He bailed like a RAT on a sinking ship”

      • georgecom 1.3.3

        Kong. It wouldn’t just be Cosgrove accompanying the security guard as Key cleans out his desk and hands over his swipe card, they’d be a massive queue tagging along. Fortunately Keys desk will be cleared next year and the PM swipe card taken away from him. One big worry, how much damage he can do to NZ before then

    • Draco T Bastard 1.4

      John Key is selling us out.

      That was his job from the get go.

  2. Steve 2

    Since becoming PM John Key has been working tirelessly for his “clients”. The problem is that you, me and the majority of kiwis are not his “clients”. To find those you need to be mixing with the kleptocrats of the international investment banking world. Once you understand that it all begins to make sense.

    P.S. Perhaps Tony Ryall could solve Auckland’s housing shortage by building a new suburb out of all those unused MRP & Meridian share float docs. Could put it between Manurewa & Papakura and call it “Prospectus South”.

    • bad12 2.1

      Yes your onto it, the ‘part-sales’, designed in such a manner so as to placate Ma and Pa in the middle class have only failed in that sense alone,

      The long term goal of these people is to have all of such assets in the hands of the international Banking Cartels, moving the assets slowly over a decadal time-scale so as not to scare the horses with the cynical knowledge from these people that the young will quickly grow to be tomorrow’s adults viewing the private foreign ownership of such assets as ‘normal’,

      The unfortunate tragedy here is that while remaining locked into today’s primitive means of supplying money to the Government the current political parties of the left are unlikely to ‘buy’ back these assets which simply sets the stage for at some future point in time the other 50% of these assets disappearing from public ownership…

  3. Te Reo Putake 3

    I’d love to see Labour go to the polls on a policy of buying the looted shares back at cost or market rate, whichever is the lower figure. The payment to be made in installments over 10 years. No interest payable.

    That would effectively mean those that have opted to rip off NZ have, instead, loaned the state their money at 0%. That should take privatisation off the political agenda for a generation or more.

    • King Kong 3.1

      Of course hate and revenge are your main drivers when suggesting policy.

      Never mind the devastating repercussions this kind of thing would have. Nobody could ever enter a commercial transaction again without fear of the Government shitting on them. Nice.

      • Te Reo Putake 3.1.1

        It’s far from hate and revenge, KK, it’s restorative justice. If I wanted to really send the looters a message, I’d be suggesting criminal charges, but hitting them in the hip pocket should be punishment enough.

        • the pigman 3.1.1.1

          That’s a great idea, retrospectively legislate to make participating in a government asset sales program a crime, and lock those buggers up. (Think KK may be leading you down the garden path?)

          Although its suggestion that “Nobody could ever enter a commercial transaction again without fear of the Government shitting on them” is rubbish, because you can’t keep those capitalists from trying to capitalize.

        • David H 3.1.1.2

          More like Demanding Criminal Charges. And a going over of the crowns books by a forensic accountant, to expose for once and for all the shenanigans.

      • adam 3.1.2

        Wow KK you do understand that economics is politics by another name. And yes if your still embeded in zombie economics, it’s going to look bad – that is the politics of self interest – dressed as economics. But, we need a economy that works – zombie economics needs to be gone,if only because it’s stupid and outcomes become hellish – it can not be flexable and relies of a mythical idea of the “unseen hand” which is akin to fairy dust and gnomes at the end of the garden.

        • King Kong 3.1.2.1

          Let’s talk again when you have left high school, got a job and experienced the real world.

        • SpaceMonkey 3.1.2.2

          By “zombie economics” you mean neo-liberialism and crony capitalism?

          • King Kong 3.1.2.2.1

            No he means zombie economics. Things like scarcity equals the brain supply over infection rates and the elasticity of demand for canned goods when cannibalism is introduced in the supply chain and its knock on effects on increased infections.

            • Naturesong 3.1.2.2.1.1

              He was talking about neo-liberalism.

              Though you are partly right, bovine spongiform encephalopathy outbreaks are a direct result of placing profit above all else.

      • Murray Olsen 3.1.3

        The Koch family made a fortune dealing with Stalin’s Soviet Union, which had violated the sanctity of private property many, many times. It seems that capitalists, just like scabs, are prepared to let other considerations overwhelm their class solidarity. As usual with KKK, the shouting is at variance with historical fact.

    • Enough is Enough 3.2

      You say that like it is an unlikely dream.

      We should be demanding that from Labour as a central policy that they will implement within the first 100 days in office. Anything less is a sell out.

      Your suggestion is more than affordable so there is no reason not to do it.

      Please Labour. Talk is cheap. It is easy to oppose everything through bluster. But will you actually now have the conviction to reverse this disaster of a policy????

      Do not repeat the mistakes of the past two Labour Governments.

      • King Kong 3.2.1

        My God. Your inability to think through the consequences is frightening. Ask one of the “non crazy” left kids on here, who are conspicuous by their silence, what they think about this.

        • bad12 3.2.1.1

          What consequences are these???…

          • felix 3.2.1.1.1

            The consequences are that King Kong won’t vote for Labour O MY FUCKING GOD!!!!

          • King Kong 3.2.1.1.2

            I said one of the “non crazies”

            • mikesh 3.2.1.1.2.1

              King Kong
              You still haven’t answered Bad12′s question. What consequences?

              • bad12

                Don’t waste too much energy on KK that one has no intention of entering into any debate requiring anything more intelligent than a dribble of drivel,

                More fun can be extracted from other ‘wing-nuts’ although the numbers of them appearing here at the Standard seems to have plummeted much in line with National’s recent poll results…

                • King Kong

                  Honestly, I am wasting my time. It is like explaining a sunset to a blind man.

                  But here’s one to mull over. What do you think might happen if the Government was to take an action that would crash the value of all NZ’s listed and unlisted companies.

                  Now I know this is where the envy and vindictiveness gets the better of you but ask yourself this…

                  Would it only be the hated rich guys that would suffer or might there be horrible consequences for the other 99% (according to the popular myth).

                  • dv

                    KK
                    OH I get it, Like the US banks did in 2008.

                    • King Kong

                      Exactly.

                      And of course no one at the lower end of the socio economic scale lost their jobs or homes because of that, did they.

                  • Te Reo Putake

                    In that case, KK, I’d take the approach Bob Jones used in the 87 stockmarket crash. He bought back the shares in his own company dirt cheap and walked away laughing. Nationalise the lot, I say. When the dust settles, sell off the non-core businesses and bank the profits.

                  • McFlock

                    What do you think might happen if the Government was to take an action that would crash the value of all NZ’s listed and unlisted companies.

                    All that would happen is that the next time tories try to sell the family silver, they’d make an even bigger fuckup of it than they did this time.

                  • mikesh

                    “But here’s one to mull over. What do you think might happen if the Government was to take an action that would crash the value of all NZ’s listed and unlisted companies.”

                    A company’s value depends on its earning capacity. This would not change just because the government renationalized the electricity companies.

                    • King Kong

                      What do you think happens to the value of a company if there is a risk (and this is the key word) of it being nicked off you at some stage with no or low reimbursement.

                      And you can’t tell me it doesn’t apply because the precedent will have been set.

                    • King Kong

                      Lets follow that up with a real world example. Lets say that Shell and PDVSA (state owned Venezuelan oil company and victim of nationalization) are the same size and get the same return on the same amount of oil sold.

                      The Venezuelan govt decide that they would like to sell this company back into private ownership and PDVSA is listed on the same exchange as Shell.

                      Which company is valued significantly higher and why?

                    • McFlock

                      Lets follow that up with a real world example. Lets say that Shell and PDVSA (state owned Venezuelan oil company and victim of nationalization) are the same size and get the same return on the same amount of oil sold.

                      The Venezuelan govt decide that they would like to sell this company back into private ownership and PDVSA is listed on the same exchange as Shell.

                      Are you saying that renationalisation is a bad idea because it would lower the income that might be gained via future re-privatisation?

                      A hidden bonus to renationalisation, from my point of view.

                    • King Kong

                      No I’m not. But of course you knew that.

                    • McFlock

                      then why the comparison value between two companies that are identical apart from one being privatised, renationalised, and is then on the privatisation block again?

                    • King Kong

                      To show what effect the spectre of nationalisation has on the value of a company.

                    • lprent []

                      Actually no. It is the spectre of the government regulating an infrastructure industry in a semi-monopolistic position in the economy. All of sudden the scavengers found the prospects for easy monopolistic profits diminished.

                      Nationalisation is all in your delusional fantasies.

                    • McFlock

                      Lowers the value of the company, do you reckon?

                    • King Kong

                      I know. We just saw it with the Meridian float.

                      $1.2bn in destroyed value as the Greens so gleefully confirm.

                    • lprent []

                      Yeah, National destroyed it by being a pack of moronic fools. The Greens are quite correct on that.

                    • McFlock

                      indeed.
                      So lower expected value means a lower return to the government from reprivatisation?

                    • King Kong

                      I think you have gone a bit chicken and egg on me.

                      Why not remove the threat of Nationalisation and bank another yard.

                    • McFlock

                      Why not remove the threat of Nationalisation and bank another yard.

                      because privatisation is a bloody stupid course of action that costs us billions over the medium and longer terms. The country gains a “yard” of beach space that is quickly eroded by lost income and lost governance.

                      Lowering the short term returns of privatisation makes it less likely.

                      That’s another reason why renationalisation is a good idea. Another nail in the coffin of me-ist neoliberalism.

                  • bad12

                    So for ‘consequences’ we can only take it that as you have made ‘stupid shit up’* as a reply to what these consequences supposedly are then your original view of said consequences was also stupid shit you had just made up,

                    * Stupid made up shit by you= ”what do you think might happen if the Government was to take action that would crash the value of all NZ’s listed and unlisted companies”,

                    Simply put, having no answer to your original stupidity you change the subject by doubling the stupidity…

                    • King Kong

                      I guess that is the closest thing to a concession that I can expect.

                    • bad12

                      Yes KK, i concede, that you are stupidly and with the actions of a simpleton attempting to divert the Post off into the fantasy realm in which you reside…

                  • But here’s one to mull over. What do you think might happen if the Government was to take an action that would crash the value of all NZ’s listed and unlisted companies.

                    That’s actually an interesting point, but perhaps not in the way you meant.

                    Of course, it would be unlikely that investors would assume from a ‘buy back’ of state assets that there would be wholesale government purchase of companies that were listed on the exchange and which had arisen from the private sector.

                    That’s because a Labour/Green ‘buy back’ is just that – a buy back of assets the state recently owned. It is not a buy out of firms on the stock exchange that arose from the private sector. So investors would be irrational if they pulled out of listed companies.

                    But the odd thing about New Zealand’s stock exchange is that it is dominated by ex-state sector assets rather than private sector entities. So, maybe there’s something in what you say.

                    The ‘kicker’ in that insight, however, is only because the stock exchange (and, presumably, the private sector as a whole) does not seem to be able to generate or nurture private sector entities as viable and profitable as ones that originated in the public sector.

                    Not a good look from the point of view of supporters of private enterprise, I would have thought.

                    Oh, and why would unlisted companies suffer?

                  • felix

                    Oh KK.

                    You had me at “sunset”.

              • halfcrown

                “What consequences?”

                Like when in 89 Air New Zealand was “privatised” and the major share holding was bought by Briely Investments. We were told that it had to be privatised otherwise in a decade it would be a third rate operator with debts of 500 million. After a decade of privatisation, and bungy jumping by the spivs in 2001 the then Clark government had to re nationalise Air New Zealand as it was a third rate operator with debts of 880 million

            • Draco T Bastard 3.2.1.1.2.3

              Yep, I’m keen to know what these consequences will be too.

            • Naturesong 3.2.1.1.2.4

              I tend toward the left, and am considered by my family, friends and work colleague to be not-crazy.

              a policy of buying the looted shares back at cost or market rate, whichever is the lower figure

              … is not going to work, mainly because the fault does not lie with those who bought shares, but with the idiots running the government. Just as you would not blame vultures for the murder of the corpse they were feeding upon.

              Much better to have the Cullen fund slowly buy back all the shares at market price, when that market price is at or below the initial ipo price.
              Then have the Cullen fund sell them back to the government at cost, at which point they can be changed back to being a public utility (cost plus pricing model) instead of a SOE which must return a profit based on the valuation of the assets.

              I’d like to see that with all similar infrastructure (critical to the nation, natural monopoly).
              Chorus is an obvious choice as well.
              As is removing the infrastructure (track mainly) from NZ Rail so the planning focus changes from what is profitable to NZ Rails books to what profits New Zealand as a whole; the closure of the Napier – Gisborne line being a good example of what is good for NZ Rails books is definately not in the public interest.

              • Tat Loo

                You can take steps to gradually depress the share price as well. Like capping the profits that the generators can make.

                • Naturesong

                  Yup

                  I would suggest the market not be depressed too much though, lest the Labour / Green govt be seen to be vindictive.
                  Keeping it at ipo level is fine.
                  Investors come away with their dividends and no loss of capital, and focus is rightly kept on the wankers that sold them off in the first place.

              • Draco T Bastard

                None of that make sense. All you’re saying is that the Cullen fund should buy the shares back slowly over time which would cost us more in lost dividends.

                Much better to have the Cullen fund slowly buy back all the shares at market price, when that market price is at or below the initial ipo price.

                The shares are already below IPO and the government can legislate the entire buyback at the current share price.

                • Naturesong

                  I’d agree with simply buying back the lot if they remained at below ipo level.
                  I’m not concerned about lost revenues for a year or two. Remember that NZ Power is designed to keep them from getting out of hand.
                  And all blame for lost revenues can be rightly placed at the feet of the National Party

        • Enough is Enough 3.2.1.2

          I will admit I have this inabilty you speak of.

          Please advise us of these consequences, other than some rich pricks being left a little bit out of pocket, and the nations wealth being returned to its rightful owners!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Rogue Trooper 3.2.1.3

          “crazy” is in da house!

    • Chooky 3.3

      Te Reo Putake….+100

    • Draco T Bastard 3.4

      +111

    • Murray Olsen 3.5

      I’d nationalise the generation companies without compensation, with the following observations:

      1. Anyone caught buying stolen goods has them confiscated. Whether they are bought on the stock exchange or out the back of the pub should not make a difference.

      2. Anyone who wants to get richer from increased prices so that they make a few bucks every time a poor kid catches rheumatic fever deserves nothing.

    • dave 3.6

      far better to introduce nz power destroy the share price then buy them back

  4. Philgwellington Wellington 4

    Xox
    Like your thinking Te Reo. That would stir the pot! Just read some nonsense from a Jamie
    White, in The Herald, proposing
    economic mumbo jumbo. The
    tory’s must be getting desperate to seek out this economic tripe from a Cambridge, I think the appropriate term is educated(?) economist RWNJ. Have a read and a good laugh.

  5. Will@Welly 5

    I signed up to buy shares in Mighty River Power just to get the Tories all enthusiastic, but with no intention of buying. With Meridian, I didn’t even bother. Publicly they will never admit defeat, but gee, talk about the proverbial hitting the fan – this is real egg on the face. First, the mum’s and dad’s don’t really show up – how can they, they don’t have the dosh – then the share prices plummet, and in the second float, no one turns up. What mugs – creditability lost. Let’s hope the people remember.

  6. lez howard 6

    The problem is the People have said NO to Asset sales But National is not listening. When was the last time National had three terms?

    • Tat Loo 6.1

      1990-1999 Bolger and Shipley

      National has always had at least 3 terms in power, since it’s formation.

      If Key takes the Blue ship down in 2014, it will be a historic, record breaking 2 term defeat for National.

      • Richard Christie 6.1.1

        2 terms only … of course, the MMP environment would also to have considerable bearing on such a result, would it not?

        • Rogue Trooper 6.1.1.1

          pleasantly so

        • Puddleglum 6.1.1.2

          Yes, since Muldoon would have probably been only one term if MMP had been around then (depending on who Social Credit would have gone with).

          • Puddleglum 6.1.1.2.1

            In fact, if both Social Credit and Values had coalesced with Labour in 1975, Muldoon would never have been in government. Probably unlikely given the public – and media – mood, though.

        • Tat Loo 6.1.1.3

          Yes it would have a bearing. However both the Clark govt and the Bolger/Shipley gov were both 3 term governments under MMP (although the latter was only partly under MMP).

          So 3 terms is very do-able on the MMP environment.

          • BrucetheMoose 6.1.1.3.1

            The only thing I remember from that era was Bolger’s anesthetising personality and Jenny’s grand pastel suits, that for some odd reason, always gave me the impression they were made with cardboard backing.

        • felix 6.1.1.4

          “2 terms only … of course, the MMP environment would also to have considerable bearing on such a result, would it not?”

          Indeed Richard, if Key fails in 2014 his will be the first ever MMP govt of either stripe to not win a third term.

  7. lez howard 7

    Thanks for that, Lets hope its with all hands

  8. Natwest 8

    Hang on! – they got the float away, $1.9bn – so where is the flop? They were probably looking around $1.55 to $1.60 per share, but with all the political threats from the left, $1.50 was a very good result under the circumstances.

    • Te Reo Putake 8.1

      Read the post, the answers are there. In summary, sold for less than value, to very few kiwis, and sales costs higher than budget.

    • framu 8.2

      “The sale raised a $1.2 billion less than National thought it would.”

      theres the flop you idiot

      • Richard Christie 8.2.1

        No, the object wasn’t to raise capital, that was merely the excuse given. The object was, and always has been, to transfer control away from the commons.

        Nats consider it a success because it is concluded. Considerable success.

        The rest of us can scream as much as we like, they will just smirk.

        • Puddleglum 8.2.1.1

          Sadly, I think that’s true.

          This is not about the fiscal management of the government’s books; it’s about ideology – or, better, it’s about undermining the presence of the public sector as a buffer against private profit for major players from essential public infrastructure.

    • QoT 8.3

      “political threats”

      You mean “being open about their policies”? It’s not Labour and the Greens’ fault that investors know they’re going to win in 2014.

  9. dv 9

    Just a point about the NATS excuse that the proposed NZPower caused the problems.

    All that really highlighted was the political risk in the market, what the Nats didn’t do very well is manage that risk.
    The drop in the MR share price will not have helped.

    It will be interesting to see if the Meridian price shows the same trend.

  10. Draco T Bastard 10

    The sale raised a $1.2 billion less than National thought it would.

    Well, there goes the 2014 surplus that National was banking on.

  11. AmaKiwi 11

    A digression, but perhaps helpful.

    I was in Turkey. Petrol was $8 a liter. Why so expensive, especially since Turkey borders on two of the world’s largest oil producers, Iraq and Iran?

    Turkey has a growing middle class whose standard of living is comparable to NZ. But it also has a significant number of rural subsistence farmers who have no power, no indoor plumbing, no cars, and probably no bank accounts.

    The petrol tax is a Turkish alternative to income taxes. If you are rich enough to own a car you should pay to support all public services.

    When our government owned all the power companies, it also effectively set the power prices. It could have increased power prices ten fold and done away with other major forms of taxation. Or it could have cut power prices to virtually nil and upped other taxes. Power prices were a source of government revenue similar to taxes.

    For Key and others to think we would turn over pricing of this essential monopoly to private owners so they could make huge profits for themselves was wishful thinking. For them to complain is the height of arrogance.

    • Draco T Bastard 11.1

      For Key and others to think we would turn over pricing of this essential monopoly to private owners so they could make huge profits for themselves was wishful thinking.

      Key and co don’t care about what we want, they only care about themselves and their rich mates making government guaranteed profits.

  12. vto 12

    Dontcha get the feeling that John Key is walking around with embarrassment today at such a flop?

    You see, he aint gonna get there is he. He is going to stall and fart just before he reaches the peak and tumble in full view al the way back to the valley floor of the commoners… It has already started.

    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      Dontcha get the feeling that John Key is walking around with embarrassment today at such a flop?

      Psychopaths don’t feel embarrassment or guilt.

      • Naturesong 12.1.1

        If you plug in answers to this levinson test that are consistant with John Keys public persona he rates higher for primary pschopathy than 98% who have taken the test.
        http://personality-testing.info/tests/LSRP.php

        • King Kong 12.1.1.1

          I started plugging in details about what is publicly known about Cunliffe into this one Narcissist test

          Unfortunately the internet blew up before I got to the end

          He scored scarily high in this one too Are you a pedophile?

          [lprent: More likely you were projecting your own character on to the screen since you don't know actually know him personally. That is usually what happens under those circumstances. The screen becomes your mirror as you project the worst of your own nature on to your enemies.

          It wouldn't surprise me at all. ]

          • vto 12.1.1.1.1

            missed… you need to sharpen your aim and improve your humour

          • King Kong 12.1.1.1.2

            So you would have the same opinion of those on here that call John Key a psychopath using the same method?

            [lprent: Mere opinion doesn't interest me. But I tend to notice linked pseudo-science crap like that when I'm doing moderation sweeps. But yes the same principle applies. Why I'm interested as a moderator is because it falls under the flamewar starter where people start claiming pseudo-authority from their subjective entering of characteristics. ]

            • Chooky 12.1.1.1.2.1

              @ King Kong….I think John Key is going to buy up all the power companies and stuff them into his own private blind trust handbag

              ….he is really an octopus who has got his finger suckers into everything and he is going to gobble NZ up

  13. captain hook 13

    check the share register and see who got paid off.

  14. Nick 14

    “National’s trying to blame it on Labour and the Greens because they did the right thing and informed the public of their plans for cheaper power before the asset sales started. But let’s just get this straight: the decision to sell was National’s. If they don’t think they’re getting the price that they should for the sales, then they should stop them.”

    Let’s change the context of the Green Party talking points

    Democracts are trying to blame it on House Republicans because they did the right thing and informed the public of their plans to defund Obamacare before the government shutdown started. But let’s just get this straight: the decision to vote against spending bills was Senate Democrats. If they don’t think the government should have shut down, then they should have voted for the Republicans spending bills.

    In other words, it doesn’t matter who makes the final decision. National ran on a platform of partial privitisation. Labour stuck the knife in knowing full well that National wouldn’t change its mind. And this policy was all about the sabotage. I don’t believe that Labour/Greens genuinely thought think this policy is a good idea, no one with any credibility takes it seriously http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1308/S00083/labour-greens-power-policy-is-bass-ackwards-wolak-says.htm

    • richard 14.1

      Try to do some research before going off half cocked and repeating half truths.

      Frank Wolak was on the Market Surveillance Committee of the California Independent System Operator which bought about the conditions for Enron to grossly overcharge for California’s electricity. So he is hardly a credible analyst of NZ’s electricity market –
      - http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/blackout/interviews/wolak.html

      As NZ has a fetish for overseas experts, no matter how flawed they are, The Commerce Commission asked him to look at NZ’s power setup. In 2009 he did this report report for the Commerce Commission. I know, there’s a lot of reading there, so here’s a bit from the Commission’s press release:

      By comparing the actual wholesale prices with hypothetical competitive benchmark prices, Professor Wolak estimated that the wholesale prices charged over the period 2001 to mid-2007 resulted in an extra $4.3 billion in earnings to all generators over those that they would have earned under competitive conditions. This suggests that wholesale prices were, on average, 18 per cent higher than they would have been if the wholesale market had been more competitive, and the gentailers had not been able to exert market power. Less competition was especially evident in the wholesale market during the dry years of 2001 and 2003, when additional earnings attributable to the exercise of market power are estimated at $1.5 billion in each of those years.

    • Draco T Bastard 14.2

      I don’t believe that Labour/Greens genuinely thought think this policy is a good idea, no one with any credibility takes it seriously

      Actually, it’s only the sociopathic types that don’t take it seriously. The people who believe in Randian Super-Heroes.

      • McFlock 14.2.1

        The sort of people who blame the other side for calling their bluff, rather than taking responsibility for the game of brinkmanship that they themselves started.

        Especially when they go through all of that and still give the other side it’s initial asking position for lack of an understanding of the word “negotiation”.

    • Murray Olsen 14.3

      Please take your TeaBagger type rubbish elsewhere. Your scenario suggests that the opposition’s only responsibility is to cheer the government on.

    • Pascal's bookie 14.4

      In other words, it doesn’t matter who makes the final decision. National ran on a platform of partial privitisation. Labour stuck the knife in knowing full well that National wouldn’t change its mind.

      Laugh.

      Once again, the classic right wing version of personal responsibility, where it’s all every one else’s fault. National simply had no choices. Oh Noes, they lost the ability to make decisions! They turned into mechanical beasties!

      there was nothing, repeat, nothing, stopping John key making a speech along the lines of::

      “Ok this L/G policy changes things. We don’t like it and we think it is stupid, but the polls say a lot of you like it.

      And they show that a L/G govt is quite possible by the end of next year. Now that creates uncertainty about the future value of these companies. The responsible thing to do therefore, as we see it, is to go to the country and let you make your choice.

      We were elected on a policy of partially selling these companies. That is what we think the best thing is to do. We stand by that belief still.

      However, given the uncertainty, the price the Crown gets for these assets would be diminished.

      We are not prepared to waste that money. We think L/G are not serious about this policy and that it is aimed at sabotaging the price for political reasons. We find that abhorrent, and irresponsible, and that’s why we are giving you the choice. Vote for us again, to do what we said we would do, or vote for them and their wacky stalinist devilbeast.”

      It’s not the Greens or Labour’s fault he didn’t say that. It’s his fault. His choice.

      But he didn’t make that choice. Coz the MOM policy is a dog and everyone knows it. It’s a half arsed privatisation riddled with political considerations that reduce the price the Crown gets and dilute whatever slim benefits there are to be gained from moving away from an SOE model. He knows what would happen if he went to the country, and wants to makes sure he at least gets these sales done before he gets thrown out. It’s the stupidest sort of ideology driven process imaginable.

      And it is nothing like the US situation. There are no legislative roadblocks here. there is just a policy that a lot of voters apparently like and is quite possibly going to become the law.

  15. chris73 15

    At worst Labour will buy back the shares at the price they were sold at which means I’ll lose 2/5 of f all plus I’ll get some dividends in the bargain and it’ll take some time for them to work out to do it so its all good

    At best Cunliffe will use his previous weasle words to say why the buy back won’t happen and then the share prices go up because there’ll be certainty

    Of course this can only come to pass if Labour manage to form the next govt

    So all in all its going to be exciting for the next wee while :)

    • ScottGN 15.1

      Except that Labour and the Greens will most likely just enact the NZ power policy they’ve already outlined which, if Mr English is to be believed will further depress the share prices the energy companies can command. Interesting too to see that former British Conservative PM John Major has urged current PM Cameron to regulate and tax the super profits being generated by energy companies in the UK. Maybe we should look at that here as well.

      • chris73 15.1.1

        “Except that Labour and the Greens will most likely just enact the NZ power policy they’ve already outlined”

        - I’m not disagreeing with you (unless Cunliffe realises he can’t do it but thats a different issue) just that I don’t think it’ll happen as quickly as people on here would like it to

        • Tat Loo 15.1.1.1

          Agreed; I can’t see NZ Power coming into consumer affect until Q4 2015 or Q1 2016, at the earliest. There would

    • BM 15.2

      If Cunners ruled that the shares will be repatriated,I’d actually say you’d do quite well

      He may utter the words of some deranged mad man but the fork tonged rich prick from Herne bay knows how the game works.

      Repatriate the shares with no compensation and money will flee the country faster than water going down a plug hole, so to placate the foreign investors the shares will be brought back at something like $3.00 a piece.

      Sucks for the tax payer but great for the share holder, you’d be mad not to buy as many shares as you can.

      • chris73 15.2.1

        I don’t know it’ll be that generous (it’d be nice) but I imagine that the quickest way to make sure that foreign capital doesn’t invest here is to take overseas share holders shares without fair recompense I mean if Labour did that why would an overseas company invest here…

      • Murray Olsen 15.2.2

        But weren’t they all sold to Kiwi mum and dad investors? Where did all these foreign investors come from, and why do they have other money hard at work exploiting us? Did Key tell porkies?

  16. Dumrse 16

    Treasonous talk of nationalisation has cost the country billions. Cuntliffe won’t repatriate shares, he’s not that stupid.

    • Draco T Bastard 16.2

      It’s actually selling the assets against the will of the country that is treasonous.

      • Dumrse 16.2.1

        So it’s just a pissing competition to see who was treasonous first. Let’s start here… Something that’s not hard to find.

        Labour sold a total of 15 assets…….

        What this shows is that National have acted entirely properly with their partial asset sales, and in fact it was Labour that did everything they accuse National of doing.

        There’s politicking and there’s just fucking dribble…..

        • richard 16.2.1.1

          Zzzz

        • Draco T Bastard 16.2.1.2

          And the RWNJ comes back with the <Labour did it toooo whinge. Yes, Labour did it too and they were just as wrong.

          What this shows is that National have acted entirely properly with their partial asset sales, and in fact it was Labour that did everything they accuse National of doing.

          Didn’t you teachers ever teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right?

          BTW, I’m not a Labour supporter.

        • thatguynz 16.2.1.3

          You’re a fucking muppet, in fact – clearly you picked your nom de plume well.. I challenge you to find one post on this site indicating support for Rogernomics (which is precisely the basis for your argument).. Shouldn’t be too hard right?

  17. Gruntie 17

    John Key is a cunt

  18. finbar 18

    Understand capitalism.Dump cash on that for the next while get a few bucks,look they are selling for 6 50,look how much business has been around them,got to get some of them,short term profit there.Who!s this 1 60,be dead by the time they pay me a return.No like the 6 50 one its playing and might return a buck.

    Ain!t the capitalist mind a conundrum of profit, never mind the cost on the producer.

  19. Outofbed 19

    The Brits sold of power cos they said it would be cheap competitive power for all
    what happened?
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/23/sketch-major-marxist
    Seems like old people freeze in the winter unable to afford heating whilst profits soar

  20. Ross 20

    +1 Dracos right
    Tory treason alright. Sale irrationally driven by greed and pig headed mess. Selling an asset that should never have been fir sale, and at far below its true market value is the real destruction of value here. Basically reckless trading. Hmm That’s familiar.

    The people said no ,were ignored, and did a no show for the ipo. And thats on the back of the MRP epic fail many months earlier.

    Watch out for a desperate early election call as it all turns to shit for Quiche and the Nats….actually it already has.

    Bring on 2014

    • Draco T Bastard 20.1

      Watch out for a desperate early election call as it all turns to shit for Quiche and the Nats

      Nope, won’t get one. The Nats will hold the election on the last possible date so that they can continue to give our wealth to their rich mates.

  21. Bruce 21

    And yet again we have another Dumb and Dumber moment. Right wing: We have done it your way for at least the last twenty-three years. Stop selling our assets. You’re selfish just admit it.
    Your policies send Kiwis to Australia, and worse you campaign to stem the flow or bring them back.

    • Tat Loo 21.1

      1984 to 2013…29 years now…lots of young adults have only known a NZ post-Rogernomics, post-Ruthanasia.

      The gift to our young from today’s middle aged voters.

  22. Ad 22

    God this last sale makes me really angry.

    So many decades of tax gone into that asset from millions of people, to be sold to a crowd that would hardly fill the stand of the Gisborne Rugby ground.

    I simply want a competent government.

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    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Unions – what ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Timor-Leste’s Parliament handed ‘humiliating’ defeat over harsh media...
    East Timorese journalists raise their hands to approve the Timor-Leste JournalistCode of Ethics in October 2013. Photo: Tempo Semanal/Cafe Pacific   David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. PACIFIC SCOOP reported this week that East Timor’s Appeal Court had scrapped...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • THIS is why we need a public broadcaster!
    The richest 20% of us in NZ own 70% of the wealth, with 18% in the hands of the second richest quintile, and 10% in the hands of the middle quintile. Just 2 per cent was owned by people in...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • A vote for Key is a vote for this
    A vote for Key is a vote for this...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Why the Secret Intelligence Service feeding Cameron Slater information is s...
    Folks, it doesn’t matter if you are Right or Left, the issue of the Secret Intelligence Service being forced to feed a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater with sensitive information is an ‘us’ issue. The SIS are...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • How lost and irrelevant are ACT?
    So ACT had it’s ‘launch’. Well, what passes as an ACT launch these days. Lot’s of anorak’s with that 1000 yard star and dreams of a Milton Friedman Free Market dancing behind their eyelids all crammed into a room small...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Party rowing advert aimed at Gen Xers
    Unkind wags such as myself would suggest that if the above were a real representation of National, it would look more like this…   National know they have the rural mob and the angry provincial vote locked in, with their...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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