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They eat their own

Written By: - Date published: 2:18 pm, March 28th, 2012 - 96 comments
Categories: ACC, national - Tags: , , , ,

ACC denies leaking Bronwyn Pullar’s name. It’s not credible that they would act so high risk and so politically. Boag and Pullar clearly didn’t leak it. So, that leaves Collins and her office. Collins denied leaking the email to the media … but leaves a fair bit of wiggle room, doesn’t it? The tipline is, as they say, running hot – and the name on everyone’s lips is Lusk.

To understand why Collins would give Pullar’s name to Simon Lusk for passing on to the Herald, you need to understand some internal National Party dynamics.

The next National leader will be chosen this term or immediately after the next election. So the jockeying is starting now.

There are several groups of National MPs and money-men that will play a part in the post-Key leadership contest. Among them are Joyce and his allies, Boag and her people (she got Key into Parliament and many junior Nats owe their jobs to her for that), there’s the still powerful brat pack, and Collins’ team.

Collins has built up a little cadre of junior Nat MPs thanks to the efforts of Simon Lusk who runs campaigns (several new National MPs thanked him in their maiden speeches) and, with the help of Cameron Slater, also fixes nomination races by running smear campaigns against rivals of Collins’ proteges. Slater, or more likely it was Lusk ghost-writing, laid this strategy out in the open last year – $10,000 will buy you Lusk/Slater spin on your National Party nomination race. And you saw their handy work in Botany and Rodney, amongst other races. Lusk/Slater/Collins’ tactics are disliked by many in the party, particularly Boag’s faction. So, an opportunity to hurt Boag was always going to appeal to Collins.

The word is that Boag sent the now famous email to Collins with the understanding that it would be kept confidential and not passed to ACC. Sources say that, seeing her chance, Collins not only gave the email to ACC but to Lusk. Slater, or Lusk ghostwriting, almost immediately jumped into the then nascent ACC leak calling for prosecutions although Pullar’s name was not yet in the public arena. Lusk gave the Boag email to Fisher at the Herald, and that’s how Pullar’s name and Boag’s role as her support person became public (you’ll remember in that first article Boag seemed particularly incensed that the email had gotten out – now you know why). Fran O’Sullivan, who also strongly backed Lusk’s Brash coup of ACT, jumped on board with an unusually personal attack on Boag – count her in Collins’ camp too.

Now, we’re told that Collins didn’t mean for the leak to end in Nick Smith’s resignation. Her target was Boag. Smith’s resignation was just gravy. No sooner had he fallen on his sword than Slater/Lusk was promoting Collins’ acolytes Upston and Lotu-Iiga as replacements.

Unfortunately for Collins, Slater has a tendency to turn everything he touches to shit, and his contributions to this affair are one reason why our tip-line has been overflowing with details of how Collins attempted to screw over Boag with the email about Pullar and accidentally took out Smith as well.

The knives are sharpening for Collins over this. She’s a known backstabber but, in taking out the well-liked and experienced Smith as collateral damage in her jockeying for the leadership post-Key she has gone too far. The brat pack is out to get her along the Joyce and Boag factions. Even Nats who don’t know, until now, exactly how Collins leaked and to whom will tell you the obvious – the leak can only have come from her office.

The question now is whether Key acts, or looks weak.

96 comments on “They eat their own”

  1. burt 1

    Now the PM steps in and says; I’m the PM and by definition I can’t leak. – Debate.

    • Blighty 1.1

      so, you’re arguing that Collins can’t have leaked Pullar’s information by definition but you’re conceding she gave her name to Lusk?

      • burt 1.1.1

        I’m doing noting of the sort, that’s absolutely putting words in my mouth. Lets hope lprent’s not angry today he hates that sort of shit.

        I’m proposing what if the PM says the business of government is whatever government say it is and that he might have been to relaxed in a conversation with media…. but being the PM he can’t leak…

        How the hell did you get to where you got to ?

        [lprent: Diversion on a diversion. Should I just bump the whole thread to OpenMike as being off topic? Nah... Blighty brought it back on topic. You deal with it. :twisted:

        I have to say that Blighty offers a pretty good explanation (1.1.1.1) about how he got from the post through your unacknowledged quote to his comment. His extrapolation makes about as much sense as your comment did in the context of the post.

        And he did ask if that was what you meant? ]

        • Blighty 1.1.1.1

          I’m just trying to take what you’re saying and, you know, apply it to the subject in front of us, which is a leak from Collins’ office.

          You’re quoting Clark who said she couldn’t leak – I’m not sure precisely what she was talking about because the only google hits are Nats talking about it.

          So, naturally, you seem to be wanting to extend the logic of what Clark said to be that no minister can ever leak.

          So you’re saying ‘yes, Collins gave the info to Lusk but that’s not a leak because Clark said ministers can’t leak, nah, nah, nah’

          That’s the only way I can interpret what you’ve said in relation to the topic of the post.

          • Anita 1.1.1.1.1

            Blighty,

            This is a good explanation of that quote by Clark.

            The only problem is that I can’t relate it to the topic at hand :-/

        • Inventory2 1.1.1.2

          No Burt; lprent only hates it when RWNJ’s put words in people’s mouths…

          [lprent: I look at it whenever I see someone complain or if people do it to an author (the latter is part of the general defence of the site).

          Of course it doesn't pay to cry wolf too often because that would be wasting my time. If it is unjustified and happens too often then I get irritated. Becomes a matter of luck about how irritated I am at the time. ]

          • insider 1.1.1.2.1

            or make accusations without any evidence to back it up. But a post stacked with unreferenced innuendo? GO FOR IT!

            • Dean 1.1.1.2.1.1

              it’s not our blog though, is it? We’re guests here. When your mate invites you over, do you demand to be able to sleep with your mate’s wife in his bed?

              • Lanthanide

                That’s not really the right analogy, Dean.

                It’s more like, your mate invites you over to their house because they’re having a party. Once you turn up, they’re polite to everyone who is wearing red clothes, and impolite and rude to everyone who is wearing blue clothes. But the invitation never stated anything about the dress code.

                • lprent

                  We make no promises about being fair in the sense that most of the blue tinged would view how the rules should operate. This is a very labour movement site. Read the about again.

                  The correct analogy would be that we run a meeting where the rules of behaviour are roughly set in advance and where most of the participants it was intended for are unionists and/or from the left. They have all worked under those limits in the past, tend to work effectively within them, and will cooperate within them while still having a lively argument.

                  Then some people ignorant of the ways of the left and most cooperative techniques amble in with a bit of a grudge and try to run the meeting their way because they can’t see why anyone else should limit what they want to do. But they all have a different way and are just loud and mostly dumb.

                  Needless to say trying to set their own rules doesn’t work too well with the organisers and the chairman starts getting the worst of the idiots ejected until the majority of the people it was intended for can have a say rather than having egotists shouting them down.

                  In other words it isn’t a public party with anyone invited. We don’t mind anyone being here provided they don’t get in the way of the people we set it up for originally. But it means you live with our standards of behaviour because we don’t intend to live with a standard of behaviour of the loudest and most ignorant.

                  Which is why the right sites tend to be different from the left sites. Gotcha of course is probably the most extreme example of that lack of ability to cooperate, and offhand I know of only only one vaguely multi-author right site around (and it has a leavening of lefties there to make it work). Many of the left sites are cooperatives.

                  • People also amble in to have a bit of a look and a bit of a debate and get dumped on be a cooperative of commenters who’s aim often seems to be just to harrass people they choose to dislike off the blog. That behaviour appears to be supported at times by the moderators.

                    Yep, it’s your blog, do as you please. Obviously the aim is not to attract as many new commenters as possible with diverse views. It can only be guessed what the various aims are but some seem quite obvious.

                    • vto

                      Bloody hell you whinge a lot Pete George. When I first came here I pissed off loads of people. They ranted and abused me back and especially honed in becuase they thought I was a white middle class male, who come in for the most abuse – but after a bit of time and an adjustment of behaviour to suit this particular all-night party the ambience isn’t too bad and debates can be had. But you had better have decent arguments to support your position (I can give you some guidance there if you like)

                      But Pete, recently all you do is complain about being abused. You aint abused mate, you are just mildly harassed and in fact I suspect that harassment comes from your arguments and points generally being pretty weak rather than any desire for pure abuse. Sure, your points are your opinion and everyone is entitled to one but I’ll let you in on a secret – not all opinions are equal. Some people’s opinions are pretty crap, being based on knees and jerks and dinner table research and no long term thought.

                      So stop whingeing and put your arguments forward.

                    • felix

                      And some people amble in with the apparent aim of disrupting discussion from behind a veneer of politeness.

                      Easy to spot, they ask a lot of questions but never, ever answer any.

                      And when they’re exposed they say “Goodness, is that the time? Really must be off” and disappear to start a new line of questioning on another thread.

                    • vto – I’ve got no argument with you having a big whinge about whinging.

                      There’s a lot of whinging here don’t you think? Many of the posts are whinges about Key and/or National. And for some variety a whinge about Collins or Brownlee. Or whover the resign of the day is.

                      But now you’ve got that whinge off your chest maybe you could put a good positive argument forward, and show everyone how to break the whinge cycle. Just remember to have those decent arguments ready.

                    • felix – you’re presenting yourself as a good example of what you’re talking about?

                    • felix

                      Oh good, you’re back.

                      The questions from this morning are still waiting, as are the ones from yesterday.

                      Do let me know when you get around to addressing them. I can link to them (again) if you like.

                    • vto

                      ha ha, good one. I was really getting at your victim mentality.

                      And here is a positive thing – a positive move for the entire nation of four million people would be if its governing lot listened to its people and did what they want around asset sales. That would be an entirely positive thing – if a government, any recent government will do, actually listened to its people. As for the arguments in support – see al recent threads and posts on the subject. I am still waiting for somebody to explain the benefits of selling. out.

                    • felix, said “Easy to spot, they ask a lot of questions”.

                      Just before launching into his question thing. Very funny.

                    • felix

                      Yes that’s very funny Pete.

                      So have you responded yet? Particularly I refer to the ones where you got caught out making incredibly stupid statements about Sue Bradford and then ran away.

                      Much like you did the day before with your incredibly stupid statements about hypocrisy.

                      Or is that all in the past now, no longer relevant in your liquid, plastic, labile world?

                    • Bradford claimed “which will force sole parents with babies as young as one year out to work.” I think that’s dishonest or ignorant misrepresentation of the aims of the act. And commenters claiming that “we all know” what National are really going to do is pathetic.

                      You don’t like being called on your hypiocrisy, do you. Get over it.

                      You said (below):

                      Of course you don’t like it, they’re on your team. Your nasty, dirty, toxic team.

                      They are not my team. I comment here independently. You are displaying your toxicity, not mine. Whay should I bother checking back where you may have left questions? I think your comments and questions, and manner of addressing, them will be judged by those who read them. Some may think you are a local hit squad. I’d bet others will see you as incessantly hissy too.

                • higherstandard

                  That’s very good Lath, very good indeed.

                  I’d pretty much given up on this blog lately and after the bitch fest about Cameron Slater et al yesterday – but the occasional gem from the likes of yourself makes it worthwhile visiting now and again.

                  • RedLogix

                    As a moderator what I really want is an environment where interesting conversations and debates can take place. If you’re bringing something of value to the table you can get away with quite robust debate…and your track record counts. But you have to understand that inherently I judge these things from a left-wing perspective and that isn’t ever going to change.

                    Reading and understanding the Policy will keep things on track most of the time, but then again there are a bunch of tired old tricks we’ve seen over and again that people use to derail a debate when they’ve run out of ideas…. and eventually one of the mods will act to discourage them.

                • felix

                  Oh fuck, Lanth! He’d nearly given up!

  2. Carol 2

    Mallard asked Collins, in suplementary questions today, if she gave the email to Lusk or discussed the contents with Lusk (can’t remember the exact questions, but Lusk was named). Collins said “no” to both questions.

  3. insider 3

    “the word” no doubt came from Trevor Mallard… It was of course sheer coincidence Trevor brought up Lusk’s name in QT today a short time after you posted.

    • lprent 3.1

      Could also be that is what the rumour mill in Wellington has been rife with for days. Hell I’ve heard it in Auckland and I’m not connected with the beltway at all.

  4. Just because Trevor Mallard alleges it, it doesn’t make it so. Mr Mallard seems to have a rather unnatural fixation on Mr Lusk.

    Anyway; shouldn’t you have waited until AFTER Trevor’s speech in the General Debate, which he has yet to make? Otherwise it just looks like in insider hatchet job.

    PS: Lalit Modi :-)

    • Carol 4.1

      Well, right now, in the general debate, Robertson has been talking about Lusk’s role.

  5. Ross 5

    Judith Collins apparently printed out a copy of the email. So now we know what happened. Collins printed the email and by some rmearkable coincidence, the Herald reporter broke into Collins’ office in the hope of finding something juicy and happened upon the printed email!

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8442683/acc-minister-printed-leaked-email

    • ianmac 5.1

      She said repeatedly that she did not pass on the email to the Media.
      But was she asked did she pass on a printed copy?
      No. So her denial was about emails not paper copies. Tricky eh?

  6. Pascal's bookie 6

    loling at the iTwins. Wellie is a small town, if Trevor’s heard stuff, lot’s of people have heard it.

    Anyways http://bit.ly/HiPIQC

    Privacy commissioner wants to do forensics on the computers. What fun.

    • insider 6.1

      It is small and it wouldn’t be a surprise if it was talking to itself

    • Ross 6.2

      I’m not sure forensics on the computers is going to achieve much. Collins isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer but I don’t think she’d be that stupid. Besides, she printed off details of the email and God knows who had access to those details.

      • Pascal's bookie 6.2.1

        More will be learnt from looking than from not though.

        The commissioner could find out whether or not someone did something really stupid. Or it could be found that no-one Collins sent it to in ACC printed it out, or forwarded it, or copied it.

  7. Last night’s debate was fascinating because of the appearance of the dynamic duo Slater and Cactus.  One gets the feeling that Slater is on the receiving end of some fairly severe responses from friends of the brat pack.

    National is starting to implode.  This is great fun to watch. 

    • deuto 7.1

      +1 on both points. Re last night’s debate, it was intriguing to see the slithering and sliding, and the answers to your questions particularly once Lusk’s name arose. The dots are starting to join up.

      Wonder whether Key will come back instead of enjoying his holiday in Paris?

      • taxicab 7.1.1

        Shonkey Gonkey is now going to grace us with his presence next week . The question is whether the chicken shit will dare to be present during question time . Clearly the vultures are circling . No doubt the now slightly postponed holiday with the family in Europe will be to discuss the exit strategy to Hawaii .

        • deuto 7.1.1.1

          I had been wondering whether the exit strategy was on the agenda well before the events of the last week and today! Ever hopeful but the alternatives are not looking great!

      • Jim Nald 7.1.2

        Key must have been a great supporter of Monday-ising some of our holidays seeing how enthusiastically he is holiday-ising the odd few minutes he should be putting into turning up in the House for parliamentary question time?

    • I don’t think it’s “great fun to watch”.

      Parliament is supposd to be the cream of democracy running the country. I think it’s very sad to see how so many keep trying to push as many others onto the track as possible in the hope they will cause a train wreck. Too bad about the good of the country/

      It’s a real shame when the dirty deeds of politics take precedence (and sadly pride of place for some) over decent governance.

      • felix 7.2.1

        Of course you don’t like it, they’re on your team. Your nasty, dirty, toxic team.

        The more of you that push each other onto the tracks, the better.

        • Pete George 7.2.1.1

          I don’t like it when whoever does it to whom. I didn’t like the overhyped furores when they happened to Labour either. I’ve had more arguments about speeeding and painting than I’ve had arguments with you.

          “Your nasty, dirty, toxic team.” That”s a nasty dirty comment. Part of the whole toxic mess our politics sometimes descends to. It’s disgraceful really.

          And it’s this sort of disgraceful behaviour that turns many people of participating in politics. So we keep ending up with our highest offices overwhelmed by political thuggery.

          It’s like a baying crowd watching someone getting kicked to death in an alleyway. Our ‘civilised’ society is often far from civilised.

          • Rich 7.2.1.1.1

            Politics would be better if a few MPs had ideals rather than just being willing to join any government that lets them have an associate minister warrant (with associated limo and free air travel).

            Like the MP for deluded outer Wellington suburbia, for instance.

          • felix 7.2.1.1.2

            Ah that’s right, the “Calling me nasty is very nasty of you” gambit.

            You never did get around to answering those questions the other day, did you? (‘Goodness is that the time? I really must be off!’)

            Fancy a crack at them now? http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-27032012/comment-page-1/#comment-451585

            Take your time.

          • alex 7.2.1.1.3

            I think you should try and see the opportunity in this PG. National is imploding, which means people who vote for good hair will move away from Key and instead go for someone with the best hair of all…

          • Colonial Viper 7.2.1.1.4

            It’s like a baying crowd watching someone getting kicked to death in an alleyway. Our ‘civilised’ society is often far from civilised.

            LOL

            PG is all for civilised government, civilised politics and civil politicians!!!

            PG can you point to a time that actually happened? Nixon’s day? Napolean’s day? Caesar’s day?

          • RedLogix 7.2.1.1.5

            I actually agree with your basic sentiment PG. This kind of politics doesn’t appeal anymore to me than it does you.

            Yet if National was running a principled and ethical government they would either not have gotten into this mess in the first place, OR in the event someone had fallen short of the standard… they would come clean and step down until an investigation and natural justice had taken its course.

            Failing that the Opposition has little recourse than to put the heat on… and sadly that gets ugly.

            • Pete George 7.2.1.1.5.1

              And I agree with what you’re saying here too. The two large parties are the biggest culprits both in government and in opposition. The standard of parliament (and MP behaviour) is pitiful at times, and that’s what really annoys a lot of people outside political circles.

              But just despairing and letting the cycle continue isn’t going to change anything. Politicians themselves are going to do little to change bad habits and bad practices. Some would like to – I’ve had a reasonable amount of respect for the intentions of Clark, Key and now Shearer, but as Shearer is finding out now, criticisng “Gotcha” is virtually ignored even by his own.

              The only way of pressuring them for change is from outside politics, by threatening them with vote losses. The challenge there is nudging enough people out of apathy to make a difference. Many of the wider public deal with politicians like they deal with the weather, they moan plenty about them but don’t do anything to stop being dumped on.

              But it’s worth exploring ways to change. I know I’ll change few minds here, that’s not the main purpose of being here, it’s to learn what we’re dealing with.

      • muzza 7.2.2

        “I don’t think it’s “great fun to watch”. – Of course it’s not for you Pete, you are part of the sytem, albeit only a fluffer. The system is broken, and this is what we all pay for curently. As long as those in the system do not server their country, this is the inevitable result!

        “Parliament is supposd to be the cream of democracy running the country. I think it’s very sad to see how so many keep trying to push as many others onto the track as possible in the hope they will cause a train wreck. Too bad about the good of the country” – You really are deluded, was that a lame attempt to fluff your boss? Look at the state of those who crave the control of others, they are pushed into the postions they are in, and do not deserve to be there. Until NZ’ers redress this, then it can only decline further, and that is a very ugly thought!

        “It’s a real shame when the dirty deeds of politics take precedence (and sadly pride of place for some) over decent governance.” – Is it time for an afternoon nap Pete, as that comment was of a tired old man, who has just realised his career in political fluffing has amounted to nothing more than a reality check!

        • Pete George 7.2.2.1

          I’m not part of the system, and I’m not in it to fluff. It was never going to be a quick and easy thing to achieve any change in.

          I often get flak because I’m prepared to challenge status quo thinking in various forums. I’m from outside the system. People who feel they have long earned their status on ther inside tend to resent new voices.

          That’s one reason Shearer was not readily accepted as Labour leader. If he’s strong enough to not get dragged down into business as usual he could yet make a real difference.

          We don’t need a new system, we just need to change attitudes about how to best use the system, from within and from the outside.

          If half the time and effort that went into negative politics was turned to positive, we would have major change for the better (of the country and it’s people) – and still leave plenty of space for robust contests.

      • Pascal's bookie 7.2.3

        Parliament is supposd to be the cream of democracy running the country.

        sez who?

        • Pete George 7.2.3.1

          If we want a decent democracy and a decent country.

          • Pascal's bookie 7.2.3.1.1

            So when and where has such a decent democracy and country existed?

            Who gets to decide who the cream is?

            Sounds more like romantic idealised notions of aristocracy than democracy to me.

          • Dean 7.2.3.1.2

            In a decent country, Peter Dunne wouldn’t supply the crucial vote to give the government a one-seat majority to sell state assets against the wishes of the vast majority of New Zealanders.

            In a decent country.

          • newsense 7.2.3.1.3

            should be out campaigning harder and leaving the wasting our lives on blogs to the fools then Pete

          • Jackal 7.2.3.1.4

            It’s about accountability.

            Pointing out the disgusting manoeuvres undertaken by Nact MP’s and their lackeys is required to ensure accountability, and highlighting cases where the rules are breached must occur to ensure a viable political system. Any damage to the political system is entirely the fault of those abusing our democracy for their own ends.

            If you truly believe in a decent democracy Pete George, you would not support the current government who have proven themselves unworthy of their positions. It’s obvious that they don’t have the best interest of our country and it’s people as a priority. They are in fact self serving narcissistic back stabbing capitalist running dogs… creaming our so-called democracy for their own benefit.

            National have no comprehension of what morals, honour and accountability stand for… it’s a vague notion that does not register in their befuddled and bigoted minds. To quote Nick Smith, they should do us all a favour by throwing themselves under a train.

            Muzza is absolutely correct when he/she says New Zealander’s must address the problem… and presently the National led government is the problem.

  8. Jim Nald 8

    “The question now is whether Key acts, or looks weak.”

    How about ….. John attempts a sideshow with new buffoonery.

    Quickly covering his shrug and scowl with a quick smile, he announces he has assembled a new karaoke cabinet for Question Time and a new anthem for his government …..

    Split Nats

    singing*

    Six months in a leaKey boat

    *dissonant or off-Key, of course

    :-)

  9. Great stuff Micky S. Marvelous to see Tories wriggling like the worms they are. Do you think they are going to last three years . Mind you the money bags in Aotearoa will be demanding that this closes down , but it could be too late now.Lets watch with pleasure .

  10. Great stuff Micky S. Marvelous to see Tories wriggling like the worms they are. Do you think they are going to last three years . Mind you the money bags in Aotearoa will be demanding that this closes down , but it could be too late now.Lets watch with pleasure .

  11. aerobubble 11

    MSD, with the help of benefitaries, can provide the taxpayer savings by given over their personal information and accepting money to amelirate the poverty goals of tax payers. This saves billions in blight, ghettos, diseases, social and physical. And as we are seeing the leaks of benefitaries and ACC clients information, that government cannot be trusted with the information, either in using to end poverty or in stopping others who should not be privy to information gathered by MSD. Think for a moment that citizens have the right to withdraw from welfare and the effect if many were to, are we not already seeing false and misleading who have failed to track and understand the numbers now migranting overseas. Given that in order for the economy to grow a price on personal information is essential, and National are protecting the open theft of information leaking to clouds that they undervalue.
    Sicken would the word used by a free democracy, when given tax payers demand that poverty, social ills are removed, only then to find that lowlifes National ministers grandstand over the money as if those accepting it were giving nothing in return. Accepting money for the service of allowing government to collect information, and spending it properly as is the wish of taxpayers to allievate their poverty, is no different than witnesses in court, or juries, told they should ignore the benefit they get from the small pittence they receive, as they are bludgers?
    The good civic order of our society is paid for by even the unpaid citizen on a benefit who routinely live lawful lives and help the state keep disease, keep crime down, keep communities civil, and this is even before the unpaided work they do just by passing on true information to government and accepting a pittiful benefit 40%? of the weekly wage. It may well help MSD remembering that they need citizens to show up at their offices, or they would not have a jobs and would have to work far hard and bridging trust with poor communities (as can be seen in third world countries who riot, who make no go areas, where fecaes fester on the side of the road is not a one off happy camper event but common practice).

    bennett say she values benefitaries, they can work, but does she really value their contribution, how can she when she gets it so wrong.

    • Hami Shearlie 11.1

      Peseta Sam Lotu Iiga(known in our house as Sam Ligature LOL) used the word “burden” today in Parliament in reference to beneficiaries. Really? What should we call the recipients of taxpayers money for the South Canterbury Finance payout? What should we call visitors who use our hospitals and don’t pay? Why are beneficiaries labelled as a burden? What about retired MP’s who move into jobs provided by their parliamentary cronies and on top get superannuation generously contributed to by the taxpayer with taxpayer funded flights for their vacation every year? Doug Graham, remember how he crowed about taking it all from the taxpayer? Who is really the burden here? Every person with a child at school or uni, every person who has entered a hospital or doctors clinic, all are beneficiaries of taxpayer dollars being spent on them! People on super cost much more than beneficiaries so why are they exempt from being called a “burden” on society? What about all the voluntary work done by beneficiaries? And why are women told they shouldn’t “breed” while on the DPB (Maggie Barry today in Parliament). Doesn’t a man usually have to be involved in some way too? The fathers are often invisible and so escape the wrath! At least the mothers are actually looking after their children.

      • North 11.1.1

        Hami Shearlie…….is that truly what Maggie Marigold said today……..bennies shouldn’t be breeding ?

        What a dirty minded thing she is………this fascination with the damp, cheap duveted, polyester sheeted bedrooms of South Auckland (not being Clevedon) ?

        No more puke-making I guess than her response to the question….”Maggie……why are you standing for Parliament ?”

        “Well (patronising smile to the little TV hack), I believe I have something to offer…….”.

        Right………a nothing-arse self promoter planted in whatever Auckland based minister’s BMW on the way to Wellington Airport round 4.30 most Fridays. “Hah Hah Hah Hah Hah…….”

        God Save Us From Jolly Gal Wannabees Turned Vicious For The Dear Leader !

  12. bad12 12

    Smith went spilling crocodile tears in resignation over His wee indiscretions as Minister, We dare say that should Slippery Key force Crusher Collins to walk it, the plank that is, Collins will go spilling the blood of the present Government as She does,

    Slippery resides in damned if He does and damned if He dont land with what to do about Her so He wont, its as sure as hell though that the Slippery one aint exactly got a lot of confidence in His Minister if He has to ask Her twice if She has taken to peeing outside of the tent,

    The damage done though either from action or inaction should have Slippery digging in the closet for His best New York bankers suit to send off for a good dry cleaning…

  13. Carol 13

    Whoa! Go, Andrew (Little)!

    The video from today’s general debate to look for when it comes online! A tour de force on the shabby little government we now have got and all the stench coming from the ACC issue… and all the questions it raises.

    • Puddleglum 13.2

      Yes, that was very impressive.

      Andrew Little had a clarity of purpose and grasp of the ethical dimensions. No qualifications or ambivalence in the rhetoric – reminded me of Rodney Hide’s speech on the surveillance bill (was it?).

      The real scandal, as he identified, was that these internecine machinations of National Party personnel and ‘apparatchiks’ will inevitably be interfering with the work of ACC – certainly at upper management levels. 

      • Hami Shearlie 13.2.1

        Hekia would no doubt think that an “apparatchik” is a young woman terribly interested in fashion! And people actually suggested she could be the Nats next leader if Collins implodes? I lolled long and loud when I read that!

        • Colonial Viper 13.2.1.1

          Hekia is plenty smart; it won’t do to underestimate her or her supporters.

          • Hami Shearlie 13.2.1.1.1

            Agreed CV, smart and really shallow – a female Key perhaps! No substance there, but able to blind everyone with the overwhitened teeth perhaps?

  14. Rich 14

    The amount of infighting in National, you’d think they got some coaching from Labour. Maybe at one of their little inter-party discussion groups…

  15. The 53.000 that have left nz for a ‘brighter future’ obviously not contained in bennetts figures,
    is bennett saying none of those were on some sort of benefit,she claims that approx 6000 or
    so have gone off the unemployment benefit and into work,when she excitedly says in parliament that she is working hard to get them into work,no ms bennett,they have gone to aussie for a ‘brighter future’because national are taking ‘a brighter future’ for themselves.
    The rat traps are poised and waiting for the acc debacle to head in their direction,the rats
    will scatter in all directions but the odds are there will be some that will be caught.
    If there was a large container for the paper work associated with the rorts,the lies,the
    corruption,the back room deals,the sweet heart deals,then that container would surely
    sink in no time at all.
    The privacy review,which i predicted would happen,will curtail and suppress freedom
    of speech in nz,that will be a guarantee,in the light of the tea pot tapes.
    The only hope for democracy in nz is if all the rats are trapped in the rat trap.

  16. ianmac 16

    Hasn’t a recent Act meant that journalists can be forced to disclose their sources? Ironic or what!

  17. Treetop 17

    Collins would not of been aware of Smith breaching the cabinet manual as I doubt Boag raised Smith in the email to Collins. When Smith being connected to Pullar was discovered by Key, Key seemed to dismiss Smith breaching cabinet rules as he did not even stand him down.

    Whoever leaked the email did not realise that Smith would be collateral damage. ACC would have known that Smith breached the cabinet manual, so I do not think that ACC was the source of breaching Pullars privacy regarding Boags email.

  18. Reagan Cline 18

    Aerobubble, have I understood you correctly ? Beneficiaries contribute by helping “maintain good civic order of our society”, by enabling others to work in paid jobs in the MSD and by forming a group of people in poverty that can make available to Government information useful in formulating policies that aim to alleviate that poverty ?
    Do you think beneficiaries in New Zealand would be better off without benefits (forget for the moment the MSD employees and Government information gatherers) ?
    If beneficiaries thought they would be better off without a benefit, they would surely, as you suggest, not accept the benefit. But what alternative do they have at the moment ?
    It boils down to your getting a paying job to cover your expenses or you go on a benefit.
    The New Zealand Labour Party needs to put forward a programme that will provide adequately payed jobs for all, tell people about it and ask to be voted in at the next election.

    • aerobubble 18.1

      Basically its historical, poverty was understood to be a blight, ghettos, disease vectors that began in incubated weaken poor immune systems would lay waste to the gentified. Governments in order to save money from the collateral damage (that we can still see in third world countries) realized that businesses would actually do better if there were more customers, bureaucrats would get jobs, as Adam Smith pointed out the poor still made choices, with more more making choices (because they have a benefit) they would contribute to the growth of a free market and diminish the effects of the class system. As we move into the information age, and the needs of capialists to exchange value, the value of information becomes more pronounced, and needs to be protected, like any property right needs to be before a free market can be produced. Now its note worthy that benefitaries have worked, and the welfare system rewards them with lowered risk when they are laid off, they don’t lose their homes, they can use the time to retrain, and as we enter the information economy we need to have much more flexibility between up time and down time, so employees even in work can access benefits to help them retrain, My point is that the myopic view of welfare, that benefitaries contribute nothing, despite them having had jobs and paid for others to be on welfare, despite having saved and pay taxes while getting a benefit thus cross subsiding those who spent all their savings, a tsunami of denial of facts about citizens who happen to find their circumstances at odds with the sanctimonious sainted louses of the right wing looking to tax employees by removing a safety net and increase the pressure to lower wages. As we are all told we should be raise medium wages.

      So to sum up, its a fraud on us when the lousy government declare benefitaries are no good, in fact they provide a wealth of information to government that government could be using to prevent many of the social malaise caused by poverty. But its easier to kick the weak than to kick the managers of society into actively creating jobs, into actively sacking unnecessarily employment of middle class social parasitical managers. As we all know people who can make a living peeling off the souls and spirits of benefitaries love the National party, and why would they, attacks on the weakest in society by some formally who were weak. Look everyone and anyone can become ministers of the crown and millionarie PM, yes, we all can. No, fact is we don’t live in a Randian utopia, when the super human minister can be replayed easily, there is no essential super human ability to fawn over.

      We need an honest debate, we need Ministers with morals and ethics who realize that beatup on on the weakest in society actually is a personal risk, they start to justified leaking information about the poor worthless scum all bludgers to a man and solo mum. Well we know how that turns out, the thugs are investugated by the privacy commissioner and have to say sorry, even fall on their swords and lose their job. So actually, if politicians stop taking the low road, they might actually not look like such shallow arses.

      We need to give citizens the wealth from their own information, and shifting for example the information into the giant database of Google is the opposite of good governance. How are we to trade information when we give it away. Like that gold mine who pay no royaleties.

      As for the notion that jobs just appear without the consent of a lawful civic populace, that’s just absurd, we cannot produce a free market without socialists pushing for a level playing field, history shows this, when we didn’t have socialists we have class stratification and royals. Only when the monopolies of the church, and landed gentry were removed did we get efficiency gains. So it follows that we have to be vigilent less we reintroduce a invisible aristocracy, as we fail to tax the rich, who use their wealth to push politicians to kick the poorest and pander to the lowest commonness.

      yes we need jobs and its as easy as lowering working hours, and taxing the vast wealth of NZ properly. We have such a high currency because we’ve sold our productive core to foriegn absent landlords and are being turned into a serf class in our own land, by our own governemtn.

  19. Tamati 19

    Phew, what a nightmare!

    As a mere part-time political geek the ACC-Smith-Pullar-Boag-Collins-Lusk-Joyce scandal is getting a little too hot to handle!

    Too many names, too many accusations, too many denials!

    Would someone on the know, perhaps on Standard editorial like to to produce a flow diagram of sorts? Just like a simple mind map showing who is in bed with who, and who is accusing who of what. Too many names for a single article, if it was done graphically it might be easier for the average person to understand.

    We also need to come up with an appropriate portmanteau to refer to this case. Something snappy that the media can pick up, and obviously ending in gate.

    Any suggestions?

    Boagate? Natagate?

  20. bad12 20

    It would appear that the Herald on Sunday gained its information on Fullar from a well known political commentator with connections on high with various factions from within the Party,

    We know who garnered the 30 pieces of silver from the destruction of the former Minister,s career, and, just what the hell that particular individual was masquerading as a fully functioning Minister of the Crown future anthropologists will likely have much to ponder over, us mere mortals however can but breathe a sigh of relief and have a quiet laugh at the demise (for the moment at least) of something that we seen as a reasonably ugly blight upon our political landscape,

    We tho digress,Collins in the House today gave emphatic answers of NO to any and all questions over Her involvement in the contents of Boag,s email finding its way into the hands of the Herald on Sunday,

    Perhaps Trev and others asking the questions of Crusher havnt quite got the tangent quite on target, it might be more profitable to ask the ”latest” ACC Minister if the 1 hard copy She apparently had cause to make of this email didnt happen to find itself climbing the tiers of power to the 9th floor,

    Crusher didnt make that 1 hard copy for no reason,in fact into who,s sticky wee paws that copy of that email was passed from where we sit would give every appearance of having as a next stop the sticky wee fingers of a well known political commentator with connections on high with various factions of the Party…

    • Carol 20.1

      Though it now looks like Collins could be off the hook:

      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6655745/ACC-worker-re-viewed-leaked-Smith-letter

      The letter that led to Nick Smith’s Cabinet resignation was repeatedly viewed by an ACC case worker a week before it was leaked to media – and three times on the day before it first appeared in a newspaper.

      The ACC staffer who reread the letter was previously Bronwyn Pullar’s case manager.

      The case manager – Jo Parker-Dennis – was taken off Ms Pullar’s case six months ago, at Ms Pullar’s request, after clashes over how her compensation claim was being handled.

      • Pascal's bookie 20.1.1

        not the same letter I think. that’s the email to ACC from Pullar with Smith’s letter attached.

        Collins is suspected of leaking the Boag letter

        • Carol 20.1.1.1

          Thanks. Though if I’m confused between the letters, it is good spin to the wider population.

  21. North 21

    In default of something better (and giving Nick Smith due credit), how about “Lettergate” ?

    Prescient of “Litigate” perhaps ?

    I’m talking excitedly of Wellington District Court Criminal List here of course. Not your dry as civil suit. Which one of those hubristic mongrels wouldn’t richly deserve it ?

    Talking excitement I’m dying to see JuhnKey eventually front up in the House. What are the odds he mincingly shuffles in wrapped in a kimono he picked up in Seoul ?

    The master Crosby Textor distraction plan…….

  22. james 111 22

    Even I have to admit if some thing smells as bad as this.Normally there is some shite hanging round some where. Collins may have hung herself it doesnt add up that she would not have known who it was who released the emails

  23. KATY 23

    This link from Tv3 yesterday.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/ACC-Minister-printed-leaked-email/tabid/1607/articleID/248388/Default.aspx

    In particular,

    However Ms Collins’ office revealed today to RadioLive that she had printed a copy of the email.

    Asked repeatedly to confirm whether she printed the email, Ms Collins refused to answer questions, saying: “Look, I’ve made it very clear that there was no leak from my office on this matter.

    “There has been an email, the email was copied in my office when we came back into the office because we were in recess when it [was received],” she said.

    Ms Collins would not elaborate on what she meant by “copied”.

    She said the Privacy Commission inquiry, to be carried out by former Australian Federal Privacy Commissioner Malcolm Crompton, may involve the forensic examination of computers.

    So, we have collins office saying that she (Collins) printed a copy of the email but we also have Collins refusing to confirm or deny that it was printed, but admitting that it was copied in her office.
    The thing is though a printed copy would be mutch more difficult to trace than a electronic one and stop a computer forensic examination dead in its tracks.

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    Green Party Co-leader Metiria Turei is urging all political parties to support the Feed the Kids Bill which she inherited today from Mana leader Hone Harawira.Mrs Turei, who leads the Green Party's work on child poverty, will pick up Mr...
    Greens | 21-10
  • Otago dairy farms fail basics
    I’m really privileged to take on the responsibility of the water portfolio. Eugenie Sage has done excellent work in this area in the last term of parliament and provided a great platform for further work. Last Parliament my bill to...
    Greens | 21-10
  • A mighty totara has fallen across the Tasman
    The New Zealand Labour Party expresses deep sadness at the death of former Australian prime minister Gough Whitlam, aged 98. “Today a great totara has fallen across the Tasman,” Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says....
    Labour | 21-10
  • Note to National: Must deliver on child poverty
    John Key and his Government will be held to its promise to make child poverty a priority, Labour’s Acting Deputy Leader Annette King says. “In its priority-setting speech today the Government stated child poverty would be a major focus for...
    Labour | 21-10
  • New Analysis show Government cut tertiary education funding
    New analysis done by the Green Party today shows the Government has made cuts to funding of tertiary education since 2008.Figures compiled by the Parliamentary Library show that between 2009 and 2015 Government funding to Tertiary Institutions dropped by 4...
    Greens | 21-10
  • Students doing it tough as fees rise again
    The Government is making it increasingly difficult for Kiwis to gain tertiary education as fees continue to rise and access to student support becomes even more restricted, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Steven Joyce is shutting a generation...
    Labour | 20-10
  • Key misled New Zealand on Iraq deployment
      John Key was misleading New Zealanders prior to the election when he ruled out New Zealand special forces being deployed to Iraq, says Labour Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff.  “Post-election he has cynically disregarded that by saying that deployment of...
    Labour | 20-10
  • Swearing about swearing the oath
    Yesterday, I was swearing. Swearing the Parliamentary oath, that is. But, under my breath, I was also quietly swearing about the archaic, colonial form of that oath and its inappropriateness for today’s Aotearoa New Zealand. To be permitted to speak...
    Greens | 20-10
  • Kevin Hague speaks in the 2014 Address and Reply debate
    Thank you very much, Mr Deputy Speaker, and, like others, can I begin my contribution by congratulating you and the others in the Speaker's team: the Rt Hon David Carter, Lindsay Tisch, and the Hon Trevor Mallard. I also want...
    Greens | 20-10
  • Damning report on Ruataniwha dam numbers
    When I presented my submission to the Board of Inquiry on the Tukituki Catchment Proposal I compared the proposed 83 metre high Ruataniwha dam with the Clyde Dam and noted the risk of cost blowouts in the construction process.  The...
    Greens | 20-10
  • Church congratulated on child poverty stand
    The efforts by the bishops of the Anglican Church to ensure that the issue of child poverty is not forgotten is a call to all New Zealanders to take action, says Labour’s Interfaith-Dialogue Spokesperson, Su’a William Sio.   “I think...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review.  He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban (see further biographical details here). The Review Team...
    Labour | 19-10
  • Labour backs urban development plans
    Auckland Council’s plan to set up an urban development agency is to be applauded and central government should get behind it to make it a success, Labour’s Auckland Issues spokesperson Phil Twyford says. Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town has indicated plans...
    Labour | 18-10
  • New Zealand can be rightly proud of seat on Security Council
    Gaining a seat on the United Nation’s Security Council shows the sort of standing that New Zealand has in the world and the quality of the long campaign that we ran over nearly a decade, says Foreign Affairs spokesperson David...
    Labour | 16-10
  • NZ has opportunity on UN Security Council
    New Zealand has an opportunity to make a major contribution to the strengthening of international law and institutional capacity through its upcoming two-year tenure on the United Nations Security Council, Green Party spokesperson on global affairs, Dr Kennedy Graham said...
    Greens | 16-10
  • MPI still dragging the chain over causes of food bug
    The Ministry of Primary Industries’ release of Environmental Science and Research’s initial reports regarding the sources of a nasty stomach bug will be little comfort to the 127 people affected by it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “This...
    Labour | 16-10
  • Treasury officials should try working without food
    The Green Party is challenging Treasury officials to work for a week without eating properly, in light of their advice to Government that a food in schools programme is not needed."Treasury's advice was that providing food for children in schools...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Councils need to better protect our drinking water
    Environment Canterbury (ECan) is proposing several variations to its regional land and water plan that will allow for increased nutrient and other pollution from irrigation and intensive agriculture on the Canterbury Plains. Commissioners are hearing submissions on Variation 1 to...
    Greens | 15-10
  • National needs to commit to making NZ workers safe
    The National Government must do more to help make New Zealand workplaces a safer place to work in, Green Party industrial relations spokesperson Denise Roche said today.Data released by Statistics New Zealand today showed that workers in the fishing and...
    Greens | 15-10
  • Key commits to deployment before consultation or analysis
    John Key’s offer to consult Opposition parties on whether to deploy New Zealand forces against ISIS looks increasingly like a PR exercise only, says Labour’s Defence spokesperson, Phil Goff. “The presence of New Zealand’s Chief of Defence Force at a...
    Labour | 15-10
  • National must end ideological opposition to raising income
    If John Key is serious about tackling child poverty he must approach it with an open mind, and overcome his ideological block to raising incomes as a solution, the Green Party said today.Papers released to Radio New Zealand today show...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Pentagon links climate change and terrorism
    Yesterday the Pentagon launched a plan to deal with a threat that “poses immediate risks to national security”; one that “will affect the Department of Defense’s ability to defend the nation”. It wasn’t referring to Ebola or ISIS. It was...
    Greens | 14-10
  • Four Nominees for Labour’s Leadership
    As at 5pm today four valid nominations had been received for the position of Labour Leader, as follows: Andrew Little(nominated by Poto Williams and Iain Lees-Galloway) Nanaia Mahuta(nominated by Louisa Wall and Su’a William Sio) David Parker(nominated by Damien O’Connor...
    Labour | 14-10
  • Green Party calls for consultation over terrorism law changes
    The Green Party has today written to the Prime Minister asking him to engage in wider consultation prior to changing any laws as a result of the recently announced terrorism law reviews, said the Green Party today. In a letter...
    Greens | 14-10
  • MPI must name product and supermarket chain
    The Ministry of Primary Industries must name the product responsible for severe gastroenteritis affecting people around the country, and the supermarket chain distributing it, Labour’s Food Safety spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “The Ministry seems to be more concerned about protecting...
    Labour | 13-10
  • John Key dishonest about reasons for wanting to change terrorism law
    John Key is misleading the public to push through terrorism law changes under urgency, the Green Party said today. On Sunday, John Key stated that it is not illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group, such as...
    Greens | 12-10
  • Law changes shaping up to be worse than first thought
    The Prime Minister needs to be up front about exactly what changes he is planning to make to the Employment Relations  Amendment Bill, Labour's spokesperson on Labour Issues Andrew Little says.Interviewed on Q&A yesterday John Key said he did not...
    Labour | 12-10
  • Rapists, not Tinder, the threat to women
    Blame for rape and sexual assault should only ever be laid at the door of the perpetrator, not dating services or the actions of women themselves, Labour’s Associate Police spokesperson Kelvin Davis says. “Tinder is not the problem and women...
    Labour | 09-10
  • Safer Journeys For People Who Cycle
    You have a rare opportunity to tell the people who are making the decisions on cycling how to make it better. The Cycling Safety Panel is seeking feedback on their draft recommendations for improving the safety of cycling in New...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Subsidising more pollution will undermine water clean-up plan at Te Waihora...
    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Back in That House
    Parliament opened this week and I still find it a very odd place. Most of the people are reasonably courteous and friendly, but the rituals are archaic and the rules around issues like the swearing in oath are oppressive and...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Marae Investigates No More
    TVNZ yesterday announced the closure of their Māori and Pacific programmes department. That means they’ve chosen to stop making Fresh, Tagata Pasifika, Waka Huia and Marae Investigates to let independent producers get their hands on these lucrative contracts. This is...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • BLOGWATCH: An Un-Civil War in Labour, eh?
    Earlier today, my attention was directed to an entry that’s just recently appeared on the Slightly Left of Centre blog. It purports to contain the ‘inside word’ from a highly placed NZF source – which is funny, because I’m pretty sure...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Santanomics 101
    Santanomics could mean a number of things. It could be the study and practice of giving. Or it could mean the study and practice of rampant end-of-year commercialism. However, for me today it is the economics of erectingAuckland’s giant Santa...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • SkyCity boss misleads public over workers lost shifts
    SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison has defended the employment practices at his company in an “Opinion” piece entitled “Human Capital key to corporate success” in the NZ Herald on Thursday. A number of his claims are misleading, contain only partial truths...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • Review: Perfect Place
    I went to a Perfect Place on Tuesday night, and what a delight it was. The marshmallows sweetly (and forcefully) handed out pre-show, set the tone for the next hour. Walking up the stairs at The Basement was a complete...
    The Daily Blog | 23-10
  • 5AA Australia – NZ on UN Security Council + Dirty Politics Lingers On
    5AA Australia: Selwyn Manning and Peter Godfrey deliver their weekly bulletin Across The Ditch. General round up of over night talkback issues: Thongs, Jandals and flip-flops… ISSUE 1: New Zealand has been successful in its campaign to become a non...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • When I mean me, I mean my office & when I call whaleoil I mean not as m...
    This. Is. Ludicrous. Green Party co-leader Russel Norman put the first of what are likely to be many questions about Mr Key’s relationship with Slater, asking him how many times he had phoned or texted the blogger since 2008. “None...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • A brief word on describing the Government as ‘boring and bland’
    The narrative being sown is that this Government will be a boring and bland third term. Boring and bland. Since the election, Key has announced he is privatising 30% of state houses without reinvesting any of that money back into housing society’s most...
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • More Latté Than Lager: Reflections on Grant Robertson’s Campaign Launch.
    BIKERS? SERIOUSLY! Had Grant Robertson’s campaign launch been organised by Phil Goff? Was this a pitch for the votes of what few Waitakere Men remain in the Labour Party? Was I even at the right place? Well, yes, I was....
    The Daily Blog | 22-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Pike River Families Group Press Release
    The Families can now but hope that Solid Energy will consider closely the response of the Families’ expert mining advisers, Bob Stevenson and Dave Creedy, and the independent legal advice by Hugh Rennie QC as to why re-entry to the...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… with dairy prices falling, China growing its agriculture sector, and the environmental costs piling up, we ask the Fonterra chief executive Theo Spierings if New Zealand is too dependent on milk powder and if we’ve...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • NZ Government Urged to Do More to Fight Ebola
    As Ebola continues to tear through West Africa, Save the Children NZ is urging the government to do more in the fight against the deadly virus....
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Korero Mai Ki Ahau – Saturday 25 & Sunday 26 October 2014
    Broadcast on Waatea 603AM Saturday 12.00 - 12.30pm Sunday 12.00 - 12.30pm Both shows repeated 5.00pm – 6.00pm On Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Putting whānau foremost in Family Dispute Resolution
    Dispute resolution company, FairWay Resolution, has developed a uniquely New Zealand approach to family dispute resolution (FDR) that is underpinned by the cultural needs and values of the parties to a family dispute. In support of its role as a...
    Scoop politics | 24-10
  • Anglican Family Care staff to rally industrial action rises
    Public Service Association (PSA) members working at Anglican Family Care (AFC) in Dunedin will hold two rallies in Dunedin next week as they seek a fair pay offer, following a week of low-key industrial action....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Flying Visit for Adventuring Kiwi Socialpreneur
    12 Months on, this former Alexandra barista is changing lives in Buenos Aires Slums with free lunches, music, art, drama and toothbrushes...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • March in Solidarity with Kurdistan Against ISIS Attacks
    The New Zealand Kurdish Community will march in solidarity with Kurdistan in light of the heinous genocidal attacks in Kobanê by ISIS. We will begin with silent demonstrations then commence marching. We will start from Britomart, Queen Street (outside Dick...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • No Problem for Henare & Jones, But “No Way” for Harawira
    “Just before the election I broke the story about the gutting of Maori Television’s News and Current Affairs department by MTS’ new CEO Paora Maxwell. I pointed out that Carol Hirschfeld and Julian Wilcox, two of the country’s most experienced...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Corruption: Positive developments for NZ but more to be done
    Global anti-corruption group Transparency International today released a report on OECD Anti-Bribery Convention enforcement and called for New Zealand to implement draft legislation to ratify the United Nations Convention against Corruption....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Government to Blame as Much as Council for Marryatt Payout
    The Taxpayers' Union is calling on the Government to fix the employment law regime that has forced Christchurch ratepayers to fork out $800,000 to former Council boss Tony Marryatt....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Unanimously Call for Commissioner to Arm Police Full Time
    In the wake of a series of recent armed offender incidents, delegates to the Police Association Annual Conference today called unanimously on the Commissioner to arm Police full time....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Bank gets behind NZ wildlife icon with sizable donation
    It will be easier than ever this summer for holiday-markers to dip into their pockets to support the yellow-eyed penguin....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • WorkSafe report raises concerns about asbestos
    The union representing construction workers in the Canterbury rebuild is surprised at WorkSafe’s conclusion that no action needs to be taken against EQC and Fletcher EQR over asbestos exposure in Canterbury homes. “This report was an opportunity...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Union accuses SkyCity CEO of misleading public
    Unite Union has accused SkyCity CEO Nigel Morrison of misleading the public over the cut in hours for a staff member who raised the issue at the company's AGM....
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Last Hurrah on the Taxpayer
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Hone Harawira spent up $54,000 on the taxpayer in his last three months as an MP, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “It is absolutely disgraceful that an MP managed to rack...
    Scoop politics | 23-10
  • Press statement in relation to search of Nicky Hager’s home
    On 2 October 2014, Nicky Hager's home in Wellington was searched by police. Mr Hager asserted that documents kept at his house were protected by privilege, including because they contained information that might identify confidential sources....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • The Sam Simon arrives into Auckland for new campaign
    This morning Sea Shepherd ship, the Sam Simon, arrived into Auckland harbour after its journey from Melbourne. The ship and its 25 crew from around the globe have come to New Zealand to source supplies and prepare for the upcoming...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Low inflation – time for meaningful wage increases
    With inflation low, now is a good time for workers to negotiate for pay increases that outstrip price rises and deliver real increases in wages and salaries. “For too many people, real pay increases have been missing for several years...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Auckland Rates Rises Out of Control
    Responding to the NZ Herald report that Auckland ratepayers will face an average of a 29 percent rates increase, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says: “These rate rises show that Len Brown's spending is out of control.”...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Protest at New Plymouth Oil and Gas Expo
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Comprehensive plan needed to end child poverty
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
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    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
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    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
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    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
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    Scoop politics | 19-10
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