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		<title>By: Brash report tipped to be toxic at The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-174559</link>
		<dc:creator>Brash report tipped to be toxic at The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So, as predicted, National&#8217;s 2025 Taskforce seems likely to come back telling us we need to close the transtasman wage gap by implementing the same failed 90s ideology that created the gap in the first place. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So, as predicted, National&#8217;s 2025 Taskforce seems likely to come back telling us we need to close the transtasman wage gap by implementing the same failed 90s ideology that created the gap in the first place. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nice try, Roger at The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148910</link>
		<dc:creator>Nice try, Roger at The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Roger Douglas has a go at my post that looks at the GDP per person gap between Australia and New Zealand and concludes that, since [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Samuel Konkin</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148397</link>
		<dc:creator>Samuel Konkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.act.org.nz/blog/roger-douglas/upping-the-standard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.act.org.nz/blog/roger-douglas/upping-the-standard" rel="nofollow">http://www.act.org.nz/blog/roger-douglas/upping-the-standard</a></p>
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		<title>By: More facts on the table at The Standard</title>
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		<dc:creator>More facts on the table at The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a couple of righties didn&#8217;t want to believe the evidence in front of their eyes that the GDP per person gap between Australia and New Zealand doubled during the neoliberal economic revolution. They got upset [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a couple of righties didn&#8217;t want to believe the evidence in front of their eyes that the GDP per person gap between Australia and New Zealand doubled during the neoliberal economic revolution. They got upset [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More facts on the table at The Standard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148303</link>
		<dc:creator>More facts on the table at The Standard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a couple of righties didn&#8217;t want to believe the evidence in front of their eyes that the GDP per person gap between Australia and New Zealand doubled during the neoliberal economic revolution. They got upset [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a couple of righties didn&#8217;t want to believe the evidence in front of their eyes that the GDP per person gap between Australia and New Zealand doubled during the neoliberal economic revolution. They got upset [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148238</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty, above you say this &quot;Our GDP per capita grew rapidly under Labour&quot;; and this, &quot;What else should I adjust the GDP per capita numbers for and by how much? $20 because it was rainy that year? 2% because we won the World Cup?&quot;

as some sort of claim to support your post that GDP is solely affected by govt policy.

but then later the same day on the post &quot;Show Pony&quot; you say..

&quot;there was a drought, a bursting housing bubble, a global spike in oil and food prices in the first half last year. They caused the recession, not Labour.&quot;

as some sort of claim that GDP is solely affected by anything other than govt policy.

Care to explain ?? Or prefer to remain wallowing in the smell of hypocrisy ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty, above you say this &#8220;Our GDP per capita grew rapidly under Labour&#8221;; and this, &#8220;What else should I adjust the GDP per capita numbers for and by how much? $20 because it was rainy that year? 2% because we won the World Cup?&#8221;</p>
<p>as some sort of claim to support your post that GDP is solely affected by govt policy.</p>
<p>but then later the same day on the post &#8220;Show Pony&#8221; you say..</p>
<p>&#8220;there was a drought, a bursting housing bubble, a global spike in oil and food prices in the first half last year. They caused the recession, not Labour.&#8221;</p>
<p>as some sort of claim that GDP is solely affected by anything other than govt policy.</p>
<p>Care to explain ?? Or prefer to remain wallowing in the smell of hypocrisy ..</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148217</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit like the regurgitated communists in the Green party, people like Keith Locke and Sue Bradford. The union leaders who have all come out of the woodwork since the Labour Party passed the ERA to rebuild their movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit like the regurgitated communists in the Green party, people like Keith Locke and Sue Bradford. The union leaders who have all come out of the woodwork since the Labour Party passed the ERA to rebuild their movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Swampy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148216</link>
		<dc:creator>Swampy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some &quot;workers rights&quot; were &quot;taken away&quot; and Labour has never reversed that. Maybe they were unreasonable things to have, like closed shops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some &#8220;workers rights&#8221; were &#8220;taken away&#8221; and Labour has never reversed that. Maybe they were unreasonable things to have, like closed shops.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148175</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rebelrocker said: &lt;i&gt;Unemployment fell following the introduction of ECA...&lt;/i&gt;

Of course it did.  Because the ECA was designed to empower employers to lower wages, and benefits were cut in 1991 to encourage that too.  
So employers could get unemployed workers (who were work tested in a way that compelled them to apply for any available job, whatever the wages and conditions, and irrespective of their qualifications) to take shit jobs.

That&#039;s exactly why the income gap between Australia and New Zealand spiraled out in the &#039;90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rebelrocker said: <i>Unemployment fell following the introduction of ECA&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Of course it did.  Because the ECA was designed to empower employers to lower wages, and benefits were cut in 1991 to encourage that too.<br />
So employers could get unemployed workers (who were work tested in a way that compelled them to apply for any available job, whatever the wages and conditions, and irrespective of their qualifications) to take shit jobs.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly why the income gap between Australia and New Zealand spiraled out in the &#8217;90s.</p>
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		<title>By: RedLogix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148172</link>
		<dc:creator>RedLogix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting Bryan. I haven&#039;t seen the idea that smaller firms are less productive explicitly articulated like that before.

I spent much of the 90&#039;s travelling for a large corporate. I got to visit dozens of small outfits in the electrical/automation business. One thing I can assure you of is that many of the guys working in them had world class skills and worked damn hard. Yet it was obvious to me that they were largely wasting their time all running about cutting each other&#039;s throats chasing pissant little jobs. As a result contracting in the country amounts to little more than a frack you contest, the client screwing the contractor before the deal is signed, and the contractor screwing the client after.

From time to time I&#039;d try to hint that maybe, just maybe there was merit in some of them setting aside their egos and consolidating their undoubted energy and skills into a larger enterprise that could tackle some genuinely profitable jobs overseas. But it never happened. Now a decade later I look about and only see a handful of survivors still grimly grinding their way, never really making it.

The biggest barrier to improving productivity here in NZ is a dearth of confident, competent business leaders, people with the capacity to take on the world and win</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting Bryan. I haven&#8217;t seen the idea that smaller firms are less productive explicitly articulated like that before.</p>
<p>I spent much of the 90&#8242;s travelling for a large corporate. I got to visit dozens of small outfits in the electrical/automation business. One thing I can assure you of is that many of the guys working in them had world class skills and worked damn hard. Yet it was obvious to me that they were largely wasting their time all running about cutting each other&#8217;s throats chasing pissant little jobs. As a result contracting in the country amounts to little more than a frack you contest, the client screwing the contractor before the deal is signed, and the contractor screwing the client after.</p>
<p>From time to time I&#8217;d try to hint that maybe, just maybe there was merit in some of them setting aside their egos and consolidating their undoubted energy and skills into a larger enterprise that could tackle some genuinely profitable jobs overseas. But it never happened. Now a decade later I look about and only see a handful of survivors still grimly grinding their way, never really making it.</p>
<p>The biggest barrier to improving productivity here in NZ is a dearth of confident, competent business leaders, people with the capacity to take on the world and win</p>
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		<title>By: jarbury</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148168</link>
		<dc:creator>jarbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should we really classify the 1984-1990 government as Labour? I mean I guess they were, but the economic ideology was more along the lines of Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we really classify the 1984-1990 government as Labour? I mean I guess they were, but the economic ideology was more along the lines of Act.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148166</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there is a serious danger we will repeat history Marty.

It is scary how many of the neo-liberals of the 90s are &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenvoices.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/cancel-my-subscription-to-the-resurrection/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being resurrected&lt;/a&gt;.

Indicative of a governemnt that has no vision, and naturally falls back on its already discredited ideological allies for ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there is a serious danger we will repeat history Marty.</p>
<p>It is scary how many of the neo-liberals of the 90s are <a href="http://greenvoices.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/cancel-my-subscription-to-the-resurrection/" rel="nofollow">being resurrected</a>.</p>
<p>Indicative of a governemnt that has no vision, and naturally falls back on its already discredited ideological allies for ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Cancel my subscription to the resurrection &#171; g.blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cancel my subscription to the resurrection &#171; g.blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] G at The Standard gave us this wonderful graph this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rebelrocker</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148080</link>
		<dc:creator>rebelrocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The abolishment of penal rates would DRIVE UP UNEMPLOYMENT putting further strain on the negotiating power of the workers and, thus, further decreasing wages.&quot;

Unemployment fell following the introduction of ECA and kept falling until the recession of the late 1990&#039;s then resumed falling once the economy recovered. It remained falling before and after the introduction of ERA. 

Here is a link that shows unemployment declining from 1991 http://www.dol.govt.nz/PDFs/lmr-hlfs-mar2006.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The abolishment of penal rates would DRIVE UP UNEMPLOYMENT putting further strain on the negotiating power of the workers and, thus, further decreasing wages.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unemployment fell following the introduction of ECA and kept falling until the recession of the late 1990&#8242;s then resumed falling once the economy recovered. It remained falling before and after the introduction of ERA. </p>
<p>Here is a link that shows unemployment declining from 1991 <a href="http://www.dol.govt.nz/PDFs/lmr-hlfs-mar2006.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.dol.govt.nz/PDFs/lmr-hlfs-mar2006.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/those-who-dont-learn-from-history/comment-page-1/#comment-148058</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NZ companies are getting relatively SMALLER and THUS less productive. It takes only a little thought and intuition to understand, but here&#039;s some research evidence:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/personal-finance/2661911/Higher-pay-doesn-t-always-mean-higher-skill

Provides real insight to English, Brash, Douglas &amp; their new right productivity fictions. The real story behind this research entails the wide range of pressures and incentives for businesses to get smaller - de-regulation, de-unionisation, contracting out, dependent contractors, less red tape etc. 

Makes life much easier for their monopolist mates who make the perfectly rational calculation that it&#039;s better to have a huge share of smallish cake that a shrinking share of a growing one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ companies are getting relatively SMALLER and THUS less productive. It takes only a little thought and intuition to understand, but here&#8217;s some research evidence:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/personal-finance/2661911/Higher-pay-doesn-t-always-mean-higher-skill" rel="nofollow">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/personal-finance/2661911/Higher-pay-doesn-t-always-mean-higher-skill</a></p>
<p>Provides real insight to English, Brash, Douglas &amp; their new right productivity fictions. The real story behind this research entails the wide range of pressures and incentives for businesses to get smaller &#8211; de-regulation, de-unionisation, contracting out, dependent contractors, less red tape etc. </p>
<p>Makes life much easier for their monopolist mates who make the perfectly rational calculation that it&#8217;s better to have a huge share of smallish cake that a shrinking share of a growing one.</p>
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