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		<title>By: I&#8217;m an equal-opportunity victim-blamer-hater &#171; Ideologically Impure</title>
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		<dc:creator>I&#8217;m an equal-opportunity victim-blamer-hater &#171; Ideologically Impure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a side note, if you&#8217;re in need of a cackle (or yet another head-desk) consider comments made on The Standard to the effect that &#8220;she can&#8217;t have written the statement herself, the English is too [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138408</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key&#039;s office got all testy after the interview apparently. 

http://lifeandpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/simon-power-for-prime-minister/

free clue to the ninth floor: Key not getting to say enough was not the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key&#8217;s office got all testy after the interview apparently. </p>
<p><a href="http://lifeandpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/simon-power-for-prime-minister/" rel="nofollow">http://lifeandpolitics.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/simon-power-for-prime-minister/</a></p>
<p>free clue to the ninth floor: Key not getting to say enough was not the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jum</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 09:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First the pay equity is gone because women are deemed by NAct to be only 80% as competent as men.

Now Key is caught out protecting a man with a history of sexist behaviour towards women, according to Key, and who has now sexually harassed a woman.  Even worse Key is now actively attacking the woman&#039;s character in order to protect his disgraceful management of this affair.

Score sheet for Key

Herceptin bribed women in 2008, even though there was little evidence of efficacy over an extended period

Current score:

One vote for Key re the lengthier dose of Herceptin, for a few women but which is not even a proven cure  

Two votes against Key re gender wage discrimination, the obvious agenda for the lowered place of women under a NAct government, and sexual misogyny.

The women&#039;s groups are noting these new sexist attacks on their daughters&#039; independent futures and on their sons&#039; freedom to choose a life outside the macho machine.  Any woman who seriously believes in John Key&#039;s loyalty to women obviously does not believe in a fair wage for a fair day&#039;s work philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First the pay equity is gone because women are deemed by NAct to be only 80% as competent as men.</p>
<p>Now Key is caught out protecting a man with a history of sexist behaviour towards women, according to Key, and who has now sexually harassed a woman.  Even worse Key is now actively attacking the woman&#8217;s character in order to protect his disgraceful management of this affair.</p>
<p>Score sheet for Key</p>
<p>Herceptin bribed women in 2008, even though there was little evidence of efficacy over an extended period</p>
<p>Current score:</p>
<p>One vote for Key re the lengthier dose of Herceptin, for a few women but which is not even a proven cure  </p>
<p>Two votes against Key re gender wage discrimination, the obvious agenda for the lowered place of women under a NAct government, and sexual misogyny.</p>
<p>The women&#8217;s groups are noting these new sexist attacks on their daughters&#8217; independent futures and on their sons&#8217; freedom to choose a life outside the macho machine.  Any woman who seriously believes in John Key&#8217;s loyalty to women obviously does not believe in a fair wage for a fair day&#8217;s work philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: Spectator</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138397</link>
		<dc:creator>Spectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 08:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;helicopters around the electorate not worth recollection?&quot;

... What does Anne Tolley have to do with all this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;helicopters around the electorate not worth recollection?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; What does Anne Tolley have to do with all this?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Robeson</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138373</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Robeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 06:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key said today

&quot;I&#039;m the indecider. I make the indecisions!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key said today</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m the indecider. I make the indecisions!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard J</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138355</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if the person does not want you to take your thoughtful, reasoned action Tim. Will you go in guns blazing regardless? What if that person just wants it to go away, and eventually decides to act because it does not?

Funny that in all this you are saying what Tim Ellis would do, and basically who gives a toss about the person making the complaint - you have not even started to give that consideration. I can see why you come up with such a distorted view, given that you think the most important thing is what Goff did, not what the complainant&#039;s wishes were. Perhaps distorted is too mild a term.  

What are those stages of trauma - anger then denial? First you dump on the complainant, then you pretend they do not exist. Curious. You ok about all this?

Are you foolish enough to believe Goff could have &quot;done something&quot; against her wishes and it would not have become a public issue? Especially with great people out there like grumpy, who seem to genuinely believe it is a complete set-up? Grumpy can not even fathom that someone might want to make a decision for themselves and has to pretend that the person is now weak, and needed hand holding.  

With idiots out there like that it is no wonder this person was concerned about it becoming public. Maybe it took the comment alluding to someone&#039;s death before she decided to take action. Quite a &#039;trap&#039; to elicit that particular comment, no?

P.s. grumpy, you are a real gem - someone who was not sexist might have come up with the idea that the complainant was calling the shots, and did not let Goff take any action. But you are not, so you did not. If Worth is not half as bright as someone with half your intelligence is then it is no wonder this came about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if the person does not want you to take your thoughtful, reasoned action Tim. Will you go in guns blazing regardless? What if that person just wants it to go away, and eventually decides to act because it does not?</p>
<p>Funny that in all this you are saying what Tim Ellis would do, and basically who gives a toss about the person making the complaint &#8211; you have not even started to give that consideration. I can see why you come up with such a distorted view, given that you think the most important thing is what Goff did, not what the complainant&#8217;s wishes were. Perhaps distorted is too mild a term.  </p>
<p>What are those stages of trauma &#8211; anger then denial? First you dump on the complainant, then you pretend they do not exist. Curious. You ok about all this?</p>
<p>Are you foolish enough to believe Goff could have &#8220;done something&#8221; against her wishes and it would not have become a public issue? Especially with great people out there like grumpy, who seem to genuinely believe it is a complete set-up? Grumpy can not even fathom that someone might want to make a decision for themselves and has to pretend that the person is now weak, and needed hand holding.  </p>
<p>With idiots out there like that it is no wonder this person was concerned about it becoming public. Maybe it took the comment alluding to someone&#8217;s death before she decided to take action. Quite a &#8216;trap&#8217; to elicit that particular comment, no?</p>
<p>P.s. grumpy, you are a real gem &#8211; someone who was not sexist might have come up with the idea that the complainant was calling the shots, and did not let Goff take any action. But you are not, so you did not. If Worth is not half as bright as someone with half your intelligence is then it is no wonder this came about.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod Beeblebrox</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138297</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaphod Beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By all reports she wasn&#039;t universally liked but was very good at her job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By all reports she wasn&#8217;t universally liked but was very good at her job.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138293</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather Simpson didn&#039;t do very well with all the errant Labour MPs.

On the other hand she probably had at least her hands full looking after the leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather Simpson didn&#8217;t do very well with all the errant Labour MPs.</p>
<p>On the other hand she probably had at least her hands full looking after the leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod Beeblebrox</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138291</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaphod Beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key needs to employ better staff. I suspect he didn&#039;t take the thing as seriously as he should have- coming from the other side, but his staff could easily have asked to see the evidence, instead of believing Worth.
If this sort of thing were a diplomatic or national security problem the consequences could be serious. If I were him I would hire Heather Simpson (if she hasn&#039;t left for NY yet)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key needs to employ better staff. I suspect he didn&#8217;t take the thing as seriously as he should have- coming from the other side, but his staff could easily have asked to see the evidence, instead of believing Worth.<br />
If this sort of thing were a diplomatic or national security problem the consequences could be serious. If I were him I would hire Heather Simpson (if she hasn&#8217;t left for NY yet)</p>
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		<title>By: exbrethren</title>
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		<dc:creator>exbrethren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe he did investigate and found out that it was a rip off. In that case he may have acted slowly but understandably.&quot;

Very doubtful indeed. If it was shown to be a rip-off he&#039;d surely have been telling the media all about the Labour party dirty tricks (and rightfully so).

Glad you&#039;re so sure that it&#039;s all turning around on Goff. Its so clear it was a sting that Key is visiting the complainant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe he did investigate and found out that it was a rip off. In that case he may have acted slowly but understandably.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very doubtful indeed. If it was shown to be a rip-off he&#8217;d surely have been telling the media all about the Labour party dirty tricks (and rightfully so).</p>
<p>Glad you&#8217;re so sure that it&#8217;s all turning around on Goff. Its so clear it was a sting that Key is visiting the complainant.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point exbrethren.

Maybe he did investigate and found out that it was a rip off.  In that case he may have acted slowly but understandably.

It may also be (as we are now seeing) that he predicted public opiniun and the media are now starting to turn on Goff in a clssic double scam.

It is becoming clear now that it was a sting and Worth was fired for being stupid enough to be compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point exbrethren.</p>
<p>Maybe he did investigate and found out that it was a rip off.  In that case he may have acted slowly but understandably.</p>
<p>It may also be (as we are now seeing) that he predicted public opiniun and the media are now starting to turn on Goff in a clssic double scam.</p>
<p>It is becoming clear now that it was a sting and Worth was fired for being stupid enough to be compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: exbrethren</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138281</link>
		<dc:creator>exbrethren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grumpy,

if this was as you state a honey-trap then there&#039;s an issue to tackle. Why didn&#039;t Key investigate it?

If your opponent warns you there may be dirt on one of your MPs you&#039;d surely look to neutralise any possibility that it may impact on you.

Key should have gone to a lot more effort to make sure there was nothing here other than taking Worth&#039;s word.

He did nothing at all which suggests either;

a. He&#039;s too incompetent to make sure he knew this wouldn&#039;t come back to haunt him or
b. He was covering for his mate and hoped it wouldn&#039;t surface.

Not a good look either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grumpy,</p>
<p>if this was as you state a honey-trap then there&#8217;s an issue to tackle. Why didn&#8217;t Key investigate it?</p>
<p>If your opponent warns you there may be dirt on one of your MPs you&#8217;d surely look to neutralise any possibility that it may impact on you.</p>
<p>Key should have gone to a lot more effort to make sure there was nothing here other than taking Worth&#8217;s word.</p>
<p>He did nothing at all which suggests either;</p>
<p>a. He&#8217;s too incompetent to make sure he knew this wouldn&#8217;t come back to haunt him or<br />
b. He was covering for his mate and hoped it wouldn&#8217;t surface.</p>
<p>Not a good look either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138280</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maynard,

If one of my staff members came to me and said that she was receiving unwanted approaches by somebody else in the workplace, I wouldn&#039;t tell her to just continue taking a record of the phone calls and text messages.  I would have a private chat to the person concerned and demand that behaviour ceased.  As a manager I believe I would be not doing my job if I did anything else.

It appears Mr Goff didn&#039;t do that.  Instead he allowed the conduct to continue for five months, by his own explanation.

I can&#039;t help but wonder whether it wasn&#039;t in Mr Goff&#039;s interest to allow it to continue, rather than intervening.

I&#039;m not dumping on the complainant.  It isn&#039;t clear from her statement that she told Dr Worth to cease contacting her.  If she were in a vulnerable position, then she may have felt uncomfortable saying this to him.  I believe Mr Goff had a duty to take more active steps to intervene on her behalf.  He certainly could have done so at a much earlier stage without resorting to publicising her details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maynard,</p>
<p>If one of my staff members came to me and said that she was receiving unwanted approaches by somebody else in the workplace, I wouldn&#8217;t tell her to just continue taking a record of the phone calls and text messages.  I would have a private chat to the person concerned and demand that behaviour ceased.  As a manager I believe I would be not doing my job if I did anything else.</p>
<p>It appears Mr Goff didn&#8217;t do that.  Instead he allowed the conduct to continue for five months, by his own explanation.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder whether it wasn&#8217;t in Mr Goff&#8217;s interest to allow it to continue, rather than intervening.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not dumping on the complainant.  It isn&#8217;t clear from her statement that she told Dr Worth to cease contacting her.  If she were in a vulnerable position, then she may have felt uncomfortable saying this to him.  I believe Mr Goff had a duty to take more active steps to intervene on her behalf.  He certainly could have done so at a much earlier stage without resorting to publicising her details.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138278</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really getting desperate now Maynard.  So Goff was holding her hand from day 1.  Such a helpless defenceless woman.

Perhaps if she hadn&#039;t been strong enough to phone Mrs Worth, I&#039;m sure one of Goff&#039;s flunkies could have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really getting desperate now Maynard.  So Goff was holding her hand from day 1.  Such a helpless defenceless woman.</p>
<p>Perhaps if she hadn&#8217;t been strong enough to phone Mrs Worth, I&#8217;m sure one of Goff&#8217;s flunkies could have.</p>
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		<title>By: Maynard J</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/time-for-a-change-2/comment-page-1/#comment-138275</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst mental picture ever.  Wait, nope, not getting anything now. Curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst mental picture ever.  Wait, nope, not getting anything now. Curious.</p>
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