Written By: - Date published: 9:34 pm, January 16th, 2008 - 203 comments
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People often ask us at The Standard why we don’t post under our real names. Tonight Whaleoil has provided a damn good answer to that question. He’s got a new creep who goes under the moniker “Steady Eddy” and he’s decided to show his chops by stalking John Minto.
And when I say stalking I’m not joking – this guy has gone the whole hog by going through the purchase records for Minto’s home and even going there to take a picture! Now, Minto lives in a pretty distinctive house and when it’s being published on the web without his say so and commentated like this:
Socialist lickspittle and rent an outrage John Minto stained the pages of the NZ Herald earlier this month
he’d be well within his rights to be concerned about his personal safety.
We’ve always known Whale is a creep but this surprises even me. I notice the last word of this post is “scum” – I can’t think of a better word to describe its author.
I can only hope these freaks get taken to the cleaners for this.
Update: the image of Minto’s house appears to have been taken in 2006 (presumably by Slater) – perhaps “Steady Eddy” isn’t new to Whale’s blog at all…
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Robinsod yet again makes everyone else look totally benign, through his creepiness. He also brings into sharp focus the hypocrisy of Tane calling somebody else a stalker, while Tane allows his own blog to be used for stalking.
Prick, you stalk people and I still let you comment on this blog. But you know, I can’t be held responsible for what you, Robinsod, or anyone else says when commenting on this blog. I censure people from time to time, and I’ve deleted the odd message. What I won’t do is post personal details of others on the main page like Whaleoil did. I don’t see any hypocrisy in this position, and nor does anyone else who’s reasonable, though I’ve no doubt you’ll keep on trying.
Don’t lie, Tane. I do no such thing. I have never outed any blogger, and no amount of new smears from you will justify the fact that you make all kinds of demands of other people’s behaviour, including that they account for their friends, yet you allow Robinsod to use your blog as a forum to stalk others.
You’ve repeatedly tried to guess at my place of employment and used people’s real life identities when addressing them, among other things. I didn’t ban you then and I won’t ban you now.
I’ve also condemned Robinsod’s behaviour when he’s crossed the line, as others will attest. You’ll note I’ve come down on him more than even many on the right, simply because as a lefty I think he’s letting the team down when he behaves like that. He’s a smart and funny guy when he wants to be and I think he can do better.
Having said that, I certainly wouldn’t involve myself in joint blogs or political movements with him like David Farrar has with Whaleoil. DPF covers for and encourages Whale’s behaviour – that’s a key difference.
But you already know all this, you’re just here, as usual, to disrupt. I’m not going to humour you on this any more on this. All I can take from your comments is that you approve of Whaleoil’s stalking and intimidation of John Minto and are desperately trying to draw a tenuous moral equivalency in order to salvage what’s left of his reputation. I wouldn’t bother – Whale’s a liability to your cause and if you were smart you’d cut him loose.
You’re lying again, Tane. I have not tried to guess your identity and your place of work. You will recall, since you endorsed it, some time ago that I said I did not approve of people outing others’ anonymous identities on the internet. I never have outed people, and your claim that I have is a lie. You are deliberately trying to obfuscate. Given that the Standard has consistently referred to Whale by his real name, it is rank hypocrisy on your part to claim that I do so.
It is my view that the Standard bloggers are almost exclusively employed by Parliamentary Services, as Labour Party activists, or are paid union officials. This is a consensus view among both blogger on the Right, the media, and a number of center bloggers. Who you are individually, I don’t care.
When Robinsod was stalking me, you did not “condemn” him. You instead chose to take a broad swipe at both stalker and stalkee, by saying you didn’t approve of such behaviour, and both parties should chill out. Blaming the stalkee for the stalking action hardly constitutes a condemnation. When Robinsod has depicted himself as a moderator of the Standard, you have responded: “You are a cheeky bastard, Robinsod, but that’s why we love you.” That is hardly a condemnation, either.
Tane, you do not hold Robinsod to account for his behaviour. You continue to allow him to make objectionable posts. When you do censor his more defamatory claims, you end up deleting everybody’s messages, as if to suggest that a number of people were at fault. The Standard welcomed his first contribution at Newzblog.
Now, that’s fine with me. You want to host him, encourage him, publish his comments, that’s fine with me. But you paint yourself a hypocrite when you fake outrage at DPF for not publicly distancing himself from Whale. DPF is no more responsible for Whale than you are for Robinsod.
Stop smearing people, Tane. I don’t mind the fact that the Standard publishes anonymously, despite campaigning against anonymous contributions to political parties. I don’t mind that the Standard exercises the very kind of anonymous free speech that the Electoral Finance Act shuts down. I think you should have that free speech. But it says a lot more about your character that you can’t see the irony in it.
Well said IP
Nice selective quoting Prickman. I’ve seen you quote Tane’s infamous “You’re not a moderator. You can’t even moderate your own behaviour” quip to Robinsod when it suited you.
When you’re that dishonest I can’t take a word of what you say seriously. No surprise then you also fail to mention that whereas Robinsod just comments on this place along with hundreds of others, Whale and Farrar are co-founders of the Free Speech Coalition. There is no comparison.
Good to see you’ve got Dad4Justice on your side though man, that’s credibility.
Jeez, IP – I really got under your skin, eh? All I’ve put up is publicly available information – it just happens I’m pretty good at finding it. You and you’re rightwing mates have happily published and re-published my real name across every political blog in the country even though I have repeatedly made it clear that, given the threats that have been made against me, doing so could potentially endanger my safety. Because of this I had to delist from directory services (thankfully I never had my name published in the actual book)and get transfered to the unpublished roll.
So far I haven’t published your real name or the real names of any of anyone else from the right (don’t think you’re the only one I keep tabs on).
I think I’ve been quite restrained.
“You and you’re rightwing..” Oh, dear.
“doing so could potentially endanger my safety.” Little bit dramatic.
“(don’t think you’re the only one I keep tabs on)” Little bit creepy.
Yeah IP, the ninth floor is directing a website that says:
“So that’s the main party choice this year – you can vote Labour for low wages and poor working conditions or you can vote National and see it all get even worse. Kinda makes all this talk from both parties about supporting families seem a bit hollow really.”
… and then tells people to vote Green instead. Must mean the Greens are in on it too!
Time for IP to whip out the old tin foil hat I think.
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Happy New Year IP, welcome back.
You raised your game last year by toning down your personal abuse. Why not try raising it again in 2008? Aim for some consistency, abandon the half truths…
Jan 18th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Tane, you do not hold Robinsod to account for his behaviour. You continue to allow him to make objectionable posts.
Saturday, 8th December 07, 11:08 am
Robinsod toned down his behaviour since Tane warned him, using the kind of mothering tactic which Tane seems to use very effectively.
So which is it?
Running a contentious political blog looks to me like bloody hard work – a continual tightrope act while half the audience hurls bottles. While I don’t agree with every action I think on the whole Tane and the crew at The Standard do an excellent job.
Robinsod,
I have never made reference to your real name, or your private details. I have said, and Tane commented on it and concurred with it, that I don’t approve of outing people on the internet. I warned you when you were in your most outrageous stalking mood, that I didn’t think the anonymous bloggers at the Standard wanted to engage in an outing war. Given their sensitive positions at Parliamentary Services, and in the employ of various unions, as even at least one Public Address blogger has noted, I didn’t think that would be constructive.
You regularly make various defamatory and bizarre comments about me and others, and admit to stalking. I have said before I think that is creepy. It was only when Tane was asked whether he approved of his blog being used as a forum for your stalking that Tane said he didn’t agree with it.
r0b, Robinsod certainly did tone down his conduct after Tane gave him a mild slap for it. I said at the time I suspected it had more to do with Tane wanting, quite rightly, to protect the identities of the anonymous bloggers at the Standard by not provoking an outing war. As recently as a day ago, Robinsod again claimed to be stalking me, among others. He may need another bout of Tane’s mothering.
“You and you’re rightwing..” Oh, dear.
I know as soon as I hit submit I realised what I’d done – I guess I was a bit wound up.
“doing so could potentially endanger my safety.” Little bit dramatic.
Billy I’ve had repeated threats made to my personal safety, threats made about finding out who I work for and fucking with me and defamatory statements made about me including false accusations I’m a paedophile and a rapist – I figure that is more than enough reason to want to keep people from being able to find out where I live.
“(don’t think you’re the only one I keep tabs on)” Little bit creepy.
Yeah it is but unfortunately it’s the only think I’ve found that works to encourage rightwing nutters to steer away from threatening/outing me. Frankly, tracking this shit down is a pain in the arse but short of giving up posting/commenting altogether I haven’t found a better way to stop the threats.
Given their sensitive positions at Parliamentary Services, and in the employ of various unions,
See Prick, what you’re doing here is lying again. I suggest you stop.
So, upon whom are you keeping tabs? Given that keeping tabs on “rightwing nutters” is for the purpose of “steer[ing them] away from threatening/outing” you, naming the monitored can only aid in that goal.
No Billy – it won’t. You’re certainly not on the list and neither is anybody else that hasn’t threatened (implicit or outrightly) or named me.
HIGH HORSE ALERT HIGH HORSE ALERT IP ON THE LOOSE
Yeah IP is a blatant liar. I don’t use my name on many other blogs, whether there’s any point to that I’m not sure, but right when IP was having a cry over Robinsod trying to find out who he was, he started using my full name on other blogs, when I was using a loose pseudonym.
He’s a hollow liar, and for him to complain about double standards is a joke – I’m not the only person to suffer his childish type of bullying. He only got on this high horse when ‘sod went after him.
Tane, I’m impressed you aren’t banning this IP guy – he tries to out people and lies blatantly while attacking you personally. I think it’s a testament to how even handed you are, that you put up with shit like that from him. Ironic that he’s the right-wing counterpoint to the very behaviour he’s protesting about – but I doubt he sees it that way
So you’re not a [deleted] then [deleted]?
[Tane: Let's not start this again]
Sod says they’re false Tane.
The facts speak for themselves.
Very interesting that you are protecting him at all costs but.
What do you think 2 guys threatening to ‘do’ someones wife from ‘both ends’ means then Tane?
As I said to you in our email exchange on the topic Prophet, while what he said was distasteful and out of line there was no evidence of the threats of illegal behaviour you’re suggesting. I offered to remove the post if I saw any evidence of that, but you haven’t provided any.
You’re free to keep highlighting what Robinsod has said to you, maybe it’ll help him clean up his act. But please don’t post potentially defamatory content on this website.
Hey Profit – I just read the thread and I can see I make a joking reference to having sex with your wife when she emails me to ask for it. Tasteless, I know but a joke about your wife cheating on you – not even close to the accusations you make. Come to think of it you bring stripclubs into the thread as a joke also…
I’d suggest Profitless that when you put up evidence it holds up your argument not the other persons – it’s a little unusual an idea I know but I’m sure you’ll get your head around it in time.
So I can make ‘joking’ references to you being a [deleted] then right [deleted]?
Its all just good clean fun right?
Man I’m Dumb! I only just clicked to who you are profit – I just had a bit of a play with the aggregator and it’s cohesion tool to be sure and yep – you’re [deleted].
It all makes sense now – you appear on the standard at the same time as [deleted] (after both of you have been away for weeks) running the same arguments in the same way. And I checked Profit, you appeared on the standard only after I scared [deleted] off by threatening to [deleted].
So that means:
You have no wife.
You don’t live in Wellington.
You’re entire persona is a lie.
Now [deleted]/TP – if you continue with this shit I’m gonna start [deleted] mate – hell I might even do a whole post over at newzblog (where it won’t be deleted).
Oh, and I’d be very careful in what I said about treatment of women if I was you bro – nobody likes a hypocrite.
[Tane: Robinsod, this is out of line and inflammatory. If you're going to behave like this you can do it at your own blog.]
You deleted his name?
Is that offensive now Tane?
What a joke you lot are.
As I have said Mike – when you come around and apoligise to my wife in person I will stop calling you what you appear to be. Until then, by Zeus, I shall call you what you appear to be in any forum I find you.
Now you can set your friend Justin to finding out who I am and try threatening to out me, but given his past attempts I don’t really think you will get far.
TP/[deleted] – I already know who you are.
‘sod – “It’s cohesion tool”.
Back against the wall.
‘sod – “It’s cohesion tool”.
Back against the wall.
Yeah, for some reason my apostrophe’s have been slipping lately when I’m pissed off. Sorry about that.
Apostrophe’s?
Now you’re just taking the piss
I wouldnt do that.
Erm, do you consider giving people 1 day bans as a ‘time-out’?
Because some people here seem to need to learn some manners.
Na merl, we’re all for smacking over here, none of this ‘time out’ PC nonsense!
Your paranoia gets the better of you again Mike.
I was some guy called Tom in the thread where you threatened to [Deleted] my wife.
Who am I supposed to be now?
Put up a post about it on your new blog [deleted]
Crikey, Tane. This has to be a record for comments moderation from you. For a blog that has trumpeted itself as not moderating comments, and the civilised nature of your commenters, it does seem to be a final admission from you that your commenters are no cleaner than at kiwiblog. For all the bile that you’ve hiffed at DPF for needing to moderate his comments, you are no better. How many comments moderated so far, on this one thread? FIFTEEN?
There is a majestic irony in the Standard’s post beginning as a justification for the Standard’s anonymous authors to remain anonymous, while the Standard’s most bilious supporter threatens to defame, stalk, and out people both at the Standard, and elsewhere.
Seriously, Tane, as long as you endorse Robinsod by allowing him to comment here, and refuse to publicly distance yourself from his disgraceful behaviour, your call for DPF to do likewise to Whale does ring very hollow.
Robinsod has turned this place into a cesspit, Tane. He’s your biggest liability.
Prick we’ve always had a policy of deleting potentially defamatory comments. This is nothing new to you – again, you’re just conducting another one of your dishonest personal attacks.
Robinsod is not an author at The Standard. It’s been said enough times that he’s been told he’s not welcome to write for us because of the way he behaves. But, just like you, Whale and plenty of others, we allow him to comment here in spite of his behaviour because we believe in open discussion, even if it means moderating from time to time when people step too far out of line.
You can’t complain about moderation then then tell us to ban people you don’t like Prick. It just doesn’t work that way.
Right, I’m done with this. Now I’m going to make good on my promise not to humour you anymore on this topic.
Oh Puhlease.
Seriously, Tane, as long as you endorse Robinsod by allowing him to comment here,
It is ludicrous to claim that the owners of a blog endorse the views of those who post. They provide a forum (a “common carrier”). Should DPF be held as endorsing the insanity posted on his blog?
and refuse to publicly distance yourself from his disgraceful behaviour,
Tane has distanced himself on many occasions.
For a blog that has trumpeted itself as not moderating comments
In the early days perhaps, but the growing popularity of The Standard has made some moderation necessary. What The Standard doesn’t do is hand out “lifetime bans” to posters with opposing ideologies, while hypocritically championing the cause of “free speech”. That’s Kiwiblog’s territory.