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Written By: - Date published: 7:18 am, March 19th, 2009 - 137 comments
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America's culture of giving

America's culture of giving

According to the Herald John Key has declared people should spend their tax-cuts on charities and wants an American “culture of giving” to the needy.

I’m just stunned. His plan is to take money out of the pockets of low income New Zealanders to create tax cuts for the rich and then encourage those low-income Kiwis to beg for Tory charity?

Here’s a hint John. In a decent social democracy nobody needs to beg to survive. Stop dismantling ours.

137 comments on “Tory charity”

  1. Mike 1

    Mr Key said about 60 per cent of the population donated in some way each year without knowing they could claim some of the amount back as a rebate.

    “Imagine someone who used to give $10,000 to an organisation.

    “Now with the tax deductions, they get a third of that back. So they can give $15,000 and with the rebate, their net giving is the same. So there’s tremendous capacity for New Zealanders to increase their giving.”

    John Key, yesterday.

    “Even major tax policy changes would not impact their giving. Wealthy donors report that tax considerations are far less important to them than is commonly assumed. For example, more than half the respondents (56.1%) said their giving would stay the same even if the estate tax were repealed. Similarly, 51.7% said their giving would stay the same even if there were zero income tax deductions for gifts to charity. In another demonstration of resiliency unrelated to taxes, households with “dramatic decreases” in wealth still gave an average of $121,216 in 2005 to charity, while those with “dramatic increases” were only slightly higher in donations at $141,298.

    Bank Of America Landmark Philanthropy Study 2006

    • lprent 1.1

      Yeah right. What he didn’t say was that few people give away 10k per year. When you can show me that the amount in charity giving even remotely comes close to anything substantial (ie the welfare budgets) during a recession then I maybe could get interested.

      In the US giving to charities goes down in recessions – not up. You notice that John Key conveniently forgot to mention that.

      People then start dying. The guy is a fuckwit.

  2. lprent 2

    John Key is a dipshit. That is one of the main reasons that I pay taxes – to ensure that no-one has to beg and our elderly and young don’t starve. This is the rights message about welfare. If more is given to charity, then less taxes need to be paid for a welfare system.

    Anyone who has been to the states and looked at their welfare systems knows how appalling it is. Anyone who has looked at how the economy in the US has no bottom knows what happens in a deep recession – people starve or die of preventable causes. The inability of kids with ability to achieve the potential because their parents don’t have enough college money and the limited availabity of scholarships if you are a sports nut, that is simply an appalling waste of human resources.

    To put it simply. I’d far rather dispose of John Key than I would want to move to the “culture of giving”. In practice it doesn’t work. Just look at the US in recession or depression. They have a very limited welfare system and therefore a limited countercyclical economic balance.

    • MacDoctor 2.1

      That is one of the main reasons that I pay taxes – to ensure that no-one has to beg and our elderly and young don’t starve

      No, Lynn, the only reason we pay taxes is that the IRD will kick the stuffing out of us if we don’t… :-)

      • Redbaiter 2.1.1

        Yes. Put opt out tick boxes on taxation forms relating to welfare payments and see how many tick them.

      • lprent 2.1.2

        It’d be easy enough to figure out how to reduce the amount of tax I pay. I haven’t because generally the taxes in NZ are pretty well spent.

        However I plan not to use the tax cuts to give to any charity apart from causes that look for real change – like getting rid of NACT. I think that would be my most productive use of them.

        Maybe I should make the standard a charity… But it is rather pointless for the amount of money I spend on it.

      • Ag 2.1.3

        No, Lynn, the only reason we pay taxes is that the IRD will kick the stuffing out of us if we don’t

        The correct answer is both. We are compelled to pay for some things that we want, otherwise they wouldn’t get funded. Market Failure is in Economics 101. Charity is inefficient.

  3. RedLogix 3

    Almost all of the tax cuts will land in the pockets of the highest income brackets, who because asset values and cash flows are threatened, will use them to reduce debt.

    Reducing debt is anti-stimulatory. The Taxcuttasaurous Party is going to find that at this point in time, it’s single, and only, real policy… will have exactly the opposite effect than what they vainly imagined.

  4. keith 4

    phil goff quote from the article:

    “It smacks of the old aristocracy to say ‘we will make things worse for the low-income people and then, out of the generosity of my heart, I will call on other well-heeled people to donate theirs to charity’.”

    fuckin’eh

  5. r0b 5

    Tory charity has never worked, and never will work. There is no society (current or historical) where the benevolent actions of individuals adequately take care of those in need.

    Furthermore, proportionately, the poor are more generous than the rich. Those that have the least give the most:

    The poor are more generous than the rich when it comes to giving to good causes, according to research which challenges the “Robin Hood” myth of charity as an agent of redistribution.

    A study published today finds that the least well-off give a higher proportion of their income to charity than the wealthy, no matter what their age, class or beliefs.

    • higherstandard 5.1

      Please r0b don’t quote little surveys and extrapolate wildly you’re far more intelligent than that.

      Also in response to IBs faux outrage at Key’s comments do you really think it’s odd that key would make that king of statement at the Philanthropy NZ conference or is the outrage merely more ill considered spin out of the EPMU/Labour party.

      IrishBill: My outrage is based on seeing this type of policy leave tens of thousands of people in dire poverty in the 1990s. Stick your mealy-mouthed ” Labour/EPMU” bullshit up your arse and don’t come back here for a month you smarmy fucker.

      • keith 5.1.1

        “do you really think it’s odd that key would make that king of statement at the Philanthropy NZ conference”

        that’s exactly it, he’ll blow smoke up anyone’s arse (see what he said at the CTU meeting) but his actions are all rehashed, failed right wing policies.

      • Mike Collins 5.1.2

        IB – I can understand if you are upset about a policy. But to fly off the handle by banning someone is grossly over the top here. It’s not like he called you a fuckwit or a dipshit.

        • Matthew Pilott 5.1.2.1

          Mike, someone making some fairly crude and obnoxious observations would strike me as far worse that using childish vulgar insults. I’m amused you find that worse, to be honest, it strikes me as an immature attitude to have.

        • IrishBill 5.1.2.2

          I’ve dedicate most of my life to left causes and left principles and I get really angry when people try to claim I’m engaging in tribalist “spin”. Rather than attack my politics HS attacked my integrity and so he got banned.

          • Mike Collins 5.1.2.2.1

            Thanks IB (and Matt) for pointing out your rationale. I do find it strange though that you appear to think, and correct me if I am wrong, that attacks on integrity don’t go both ways. I have never seen someone banned here who is left leaning for attacking the character or integrity of someone from the right. Mind you I don’t expect to see them banned – I think people should be able to confront assertions about their integrity. Without looking at the merits of HS’s statement, it is valid in politics to question the motives and integrity of opponents. Getting upset about that in my view is childish. If you’ve been around a while, and I am sure you have, then you would have encountered this before and will do again in the future. Laugh it off – or better still point out exactly why someone is a dunce for questioning your integrity

          • Felix 5.1.2.2.2

            One aspect you may not be aware of, Mike, is that HS has also been around a while and it’s not the first time he’s been warned about making these exact (or very similar) character attacks.

          • Inventory2 5.1.2.2.3

            In hindsight IB, if you’re trying to enforce standards, might a less emotive send-off to higherstandard have been appropriate? To ban someone using a string of expletives does seem a touch – ummm – hypocritical ;-)

            IrishBill: You’re not getting all prissy are you IV2?

          • Ag 5.1.2.2.4

            Good for you IB. These trolls have nothing to contribute.

      • Sorry HS, wasn’t it you who was the other day extrapolating a survey of the last 6 weeks of the election campaign out too the entire election year?

      • r0b 5.1.4

        Please r0b don’t quote little surveys and extrapolate wildly

        Fair call, I only quoted one little survey, because I wasn’t writing an epic. But I was aware of several more with the same message. Proportionately the poor give more:

        http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/02/19/Poor-Give-More-to-Charity

        http://www.generousgiving.org/page.asp?sec=4&page=161#50

        http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarecharity.htm

        http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=2682730&page=2

        and so on and so on, lots of little studies with the same message.

        Sorry about your ban, but you should have sussed by now that IB doesn’t do “faux” anything – his outrage is real, and justifiably so. The burden of hard times always falls hardest on those that have the least. That combined with a government whose priorities, shall we say, lie elsewhere, mean that the less well off in our country are in for a bumpy ride. And it sucks.

      • Inventory2 5.1.5

        Not getting prissy at all Bill – just making an observation that you were responding in a way that many others have been banned for – while banning someone!

        As for your comments re “dire poverty”. My wife and I visited Ethiopia last year – we saw and experienced dire poverty there, and it bore no relationship to anything we’ve ever seen in New Zealand or any other first-world country. I guess it depends on whether your definition of poverty is whether you can afford to pay your SkyTV bill, or whether your children will eat this week, or even survive the week.

        And while we’re talking about “tory charity”, meeting one of the children we sponsor while we were in Ethipia is something that we will never, ever forget.

      • jtuckey 5.1.6

        Eh …… charity leads to tens of thousands of people in dire poverty ?

  6. This post would make a lot more sense to me if Key had cut welfare benefits to fund his tax cuts. He doesn’t appear to have, so I have to admit I’m not exactly sure how you sustain your argument about him dismantling the fabric of society.

    Americans do give over 2% of GDP to charity. It’s hard to see that in itself as bad.

    • Tane 6.1

      Tom, Key has repealed Labour’s tax cuts for low-middle income families. Anyone on $44,000 a year or less with a family receives a tax increase. At the same time he’s using that money to cut the top tax rate. Seems pretty clear-cut to me.

      • cocamc 6.1.1

        Tane – Was Labour going to keep their tax cut program if returned to power? All I hear is that they would have cancelled them – which wouldn’t be the first time.

    • Pascal's bookie 6.2

      does that 2% include the tithings to mega churches, and the televangalists? Genuine question, as I don’t know.

      • Macro 6.2.1

        Of course it does they are all set up as charities.

        • Tom Mathews 6.2.1.1

          Pascal: About a third of it goes to religious organisations. Many of these are quite worthy charities, running soup kitchens etc, although they obviously aren’t just in it for the sake of it – they want conversions to their church.

          I couldn’t actually say if a televangelist counts as a charity or not. I suspect it might. So it is probably fair to say that less than 2% of GDP actually goes to worthy charities. I doubt there is such thing as a perfect charity however, although I guess there are some clear cases of bad ones.

          The figures are from here
          http://www.nptimes.com/08July/7-1%20Special%20Report.pdf

          Tane: You may be right, I am not familiar enough with the intricacies of both the plans. Our tax system is already pretty highly progressive though. My impression is that National’s alterations don’t change the underlying structure of that.

  7. Tigger 7

    Hey, I’ve heard the Sensible Sentencing Trust is a charity – maybe I should give my tax cut to them? :-)

    I don’t want an American culture of anything in New Zealand, I don’t want their gun culture or their fast food culture or their reality TV culture or their race relations culture or their treatment of their indigenous people culture or the political advertising culture…Mr Key, you may be desperate to appease your US big brothers (father issues much?) but leave the rest of us out of it.

    I’m really glad to see this government finally being questioned on what they’re doing – maybe they’ll pull back on their shock and awe tactics for a while…

    • keith 7.1

      “..(father issues much?) ….”

      hehe dead on, nice one tig

      • That’s a bit of a low blow guys…

        • Tigger 7.1.1.1

          Actually from a psychological perspective Key has a classic case of trying to please powerful men/companies/nations. That’s bleeding into how he runs the country (into the ground).

          Key himself has put his upbringing on the table – I’m just making a meal of it.

  8. justthefacts 8

    What on earth is wrong with letting me keep a bit more of my money Irish?

    You claim that the lowest paid are about to have money taken from their own pockets, that is of course false, the money they have in their pockets comes from those who you falsely label as the “rich”.

    The reality is that most of those who are going to receive a tax cut are the very ones who have been pillaged by Labour for the last nine years.

    Let the so called “rich pricks” donate to who they wish, those of us in the middle class are sick of seeing our money wasted on dole bludgers and DPB beneficences.

  9. Kevin Welsh 9

    The words of this fuckwit get more bizarre by the week. The more I think about it, the more Michael Cullen was correct in referring to them as a bunch or rich pricks.

  10. Monty 10

    Those on the higher income brackets such as myself work bloody hard for our money and we are already paying way way more than a reasonable share of the tax take. Of course those in higher income brackets do give more to charity simply because we can afford to. John key himself is reputed to donate nearly all of his Prime Ministerial salary – I note you would never mention that – he is at least putting his money where his mouth is.

    And of course the good thing is that organisations such as Salvation Army, St Vincent de Paul, Catholic Social Services, Presbertarian Support, Red Cross, Fred Hollows Foundation to name but a few do so much more with so much less money than any Government organisation ever could. An example is the 400 eye operations directly as a consequence of the money donated for John Key’s plaster cast.

    But all we see from this blog is criticism. Maybe you need to realise that you obsession with our very popular Prime Minister is simply a wasted and furtile effort.

    • r0b 10.1

      Those on the higher income brackets such as myself work bloody hard for our money

      The work may be different, but it isn’t necessarily “harder” than the work done by lower income earners. And in many cases high income earners are lazy sods doing three fifths of bugger all for their massive pay cheques.

      and we are already paying way way more than a reasonable share of the tax take.

      Not by international standards.

      Of course those in higher income brackets do give more to charity simply because we can afford to.

      More in absolute terms, less as a percentage of income than those in lower brackets.

      • Monty 10.1.1

        Of course those who earn more money have a skill set for which other businesses or groups are prepared to pay – probably because the economic contribution or skill set is worth it. I have skills that two different organistions are prepared to pay top dollar for. As a result I will also pay a hell of a lot of tax – around $120k this year – proportionally that is much much more that most if not all the socialists who write here would even earn in a year – so don’t talk to me about absolute or %. I also give to charities and help out family members because they simply don’t have money. I know you hate tory Charity – but my labour voting (and ignorant) in-laws are very happy to receive such charity.

        I also work much harder than any damn socialist I know – but one thing socialists I do know all seem to have in common – they are very happpy to receive the benfits of Tory Charity.

        Goof made a fool of himself this morning – please send a note to him to continue his good work.

        • r0b 10.1.1.1

          Why Monty you are practically a saint. I bet you would never say something like: “Personaly i do not give too much of a shit about the lower clasess – I am not one of them but i never planned to be. Yes – the poor people can go screw themselves.” I can never imagine you ranting: “Yes – the poor people can go screw themselves. When I see the parasite brother-in-law living off my hard earned taxes … I no longer give a shit about the parasites”. And so on. And so on. Tory charity indeed.

          so don’t talk to me about absolute or %

          Why not? Your personal image of yourself as a superhuman and god’s gift to the deserving poor is irrelevant to the fact that the low income earners, whom you despise so much, are more generous than the rich.

      • Phil 10.1.2

        And in many cases high income earners are lazy sods doing three fifths of bugger all for their massive pay cheques.

        I’m guessing that it hasn’t occured to you that a lot of those ‘lazy sods’ were the guys buring the candle from both ends, working 16 hour days, during their 20′s and 30′s?

    • Ag 10.2

      Yeah right. When I was a student I was employed in a particularly hot summer as a drain digger for a local plumber.

      People doing things like that do hard work, as do people in things like the SAS. Desk jockeys do not.

  11. Redbaiter 11

    ” In a decent social democracy nobody needs to beg to survive. ”

    Well of course all depends upon your definition of decency doesn’t it?

    There’s actually a lot that is immoral about the society the so called social democrats have built. You cannot have decency when you have immorality.

    Here’s whats immoral.

    - Working families that need money to survive and to plan for their children’s education and their retirement having that money compulsory confiscated by the state and used to buy the votes of bludgers and no hopers.

    - Power obsessed politicians who seek election by promising to legislatively rob the productive and share the proceeds of that robbery with those who will vote for them.

    - it is immoral because of its socially destructive long term outcomes. As Margaret Thatcher once said, “Socialism works OK until you run out of other people’s money”. She was right of course, for having the fruits of your labour stolen from you by unprincipled politicians provides a serious disincentive to produce. Eventually there’s nothing to steal and only widespread poverty remains.

    The political system that you refer today as “social democracy” is a ruinous and amoral system that can only eventually end in disaster. Its major flaws are compulsion, waste and inefficiency and the dis-incentivisation of production, and it will never work in the long term because of these flaws.

    A prosperous society is what we should aim for. Social Democracy takes us away from this goal.

    “Decency” is much more akin to charity than it is to compulsion.

    • grumpy 11.1

      Very intelligent and insightful reply.

      Careful though, you’ll get banned.

      • Margaret Thatcher did more damage than any socialist has ever done.

        • Lew 11.1.1.1

          KITNO,

          Margaret Thatcher did more damage than any socialist has ever done.

          Any socialist except Lenin, Stalin, Mao, CeauÅŸescu, Pol Pot, Kim, and plenty of others.

          Say what you like about Maggie, and I’m no defender of hers, but she never lined innocent citizens up before a firing squad or sentenced them to starvation by their thousands in the name of ideology.

          L

          • Redbaiter 11.1.1.1.1

            True, but why bother with this pissant and his infantile one line crap? Utterly worthless.

          • Killinginthenameof 11.1.1.1.2

            I would class them more as communists than socialists?

            I’m thinking more modern day Scandinavian socialism.

          • Lew 11.1.1.1.3

            KITNO,

            I would class them more as communists than socialists?

            You would be wrong, then. As I frequently get told when I bag the commies, Communism was never achieved, only various forms of proto-socialism. It’s largely irrelevant in any case – it’s a difference of degree, not of kind.

            I’m thinking more modern day Scandinavian socialism.

            Contrary to what Redbaiter might say, that’s not socialism – it’s social democracy. Not socialist democracy either.

            L

          • ak 11.1.1.1.4

            C’mon Lew – you’re far too good for a cheap Godwin. Killy’s quite right: Maggie et al’s ideology gave us the nasty nineties and is currently brewing another ocean of tears and misery. Saying “Pol Pot was worse” doesn’t help a lot down at our foodbank……

          • Snail 11.1.1.1.5

            Care to put me wise, Lew, to the meaning of “ideology”.

      • Redbaiter 11.1.2

        “Careful though, you’ll get banned.”

        Maybe, maybe not. The guys who run this site give me a pretty fair go.

        I have the feeling they’re more down to earth working class than some of the insufferable ivory tower elitists out there who run blogs. Those cut off from the real world academics who only ever think of working people in patronizing terms.

        Like me, the Standard guys have probably poured placed vibrated and screeded their fare share of ready mixed.

        I’ve been banned from the so called Libertarians though.

        Just goes to show you don’t it?

  12. vto 12

    Red rags to bulls IB.

    The left and the right often completely fail to understand each others position. This thread is a classic. Hardcore lefties consider the right to have an underlying greed and as such never be charitable. Your headline “Tory charity” is a brazen red rag clearly designed to infuriate those on the left who in their eyes never see those two words used together legitimately.

    Your words censoring HS straight back at you.

  13. justthefacts 13

    “leave tens of thousands of people in dire poverty in the 1990s.”

    What utter rubbish, even if it were true you remained strangely silent during the last nine years Irish or has “dire poverty” just occurred overnight?

    The 90′s were a great time for most Kiwi’s, those who worked hard bettered themselves, those who put the effort in did well, those who were happy to sit on their bums and do nothing got bugger all….which is just how it should always be.

    • Yeah irish! where are your blog posts from the 1990′s!! and what about rogernomics, didn’t see you posting anything negative here back in the 80′s when is was labour that stood for it, you party line running lickspittle!

      • Redbaiter 13.1.1

        Wow, your name is linked to a blog that hasn’t had a post made since August 2008. Because nobody is interested in your wittering half witted rubbish. If I was Bill I’d ban you on the grounds that almost every one of your posts is just cluttering infantile nonsense. Like dog shit on the pavement.

        • Felix 13.1.1.1

          If those were grounds for a banning there wouldn’t be anyone here but you though, baiter.

          • Redbaiter 13.1.1.1.1

            Just read the last dozen posts from this loon. Almost every one is one or two lines of doctrinal nonsense. Nothing to challenge. Nothing interesting. Nothing new. Nothing fresh. Just mealy mouthed same old same old robotic spite and intolerance.

        • Blogging seemed like a good idea when I wasn’t so busy, but as things picked up, It was very early to go by the way side, sorry about that.

          I wonder thought if some of your dislike from me stems from my occasional persistence for getting a straight answer out of you?

        • roger nome 13.1.1.3

          As opposed to your last comment RB – which was only illuminating to people to people to haven’t come across you before – i.e. it shows how much of a hypocritical fuckwit you are.

  14. IrishBill 14

    vto, it’s got nothing to do with what I think of those on the right but with what happened the last time these sentiments were expressed (mostly by then Minister for Social Development Jenny Shipley). And what happened was we had widespread poverty, third world diseases spread through poor areas and foodbanks couldn’t keep up.

    Private charity has never replaced the welfare state on a dollar for dollar basis and never will. Private charity also frequently has an element of moral compulsion added to it that amounts to social engineering by those that can afford it (such as fundamentalist churches). I’d much rather a system where people were provided with a safety net and thus allowed the freedom to live as self-determining individuals.

  15. Stephen 15

    Private charity has never replaced the welfare state on a dollar for dollar basis and never will.

    That’s because with a welfare state taking a large proportion of taxes, these taxes cannot be put to use in the hands of private charity. Your statement could only be proved accurate (in future – re: your “never will”) if someone experimented with getting rid of the welfare state for a decade or so.

    • Tane 15.1

      Here’s a question Stephen. As taxes have been slashed around the world since the great neoliberal project kicked off thirty years ago, have the cuts in social welfare and public services been made up on a dollar for dollar basis by private charity?

      Did the Britain of Charles Dickens have a comparable level of social welfare and public services made up by private charity?

      The answer to both of those questions is no, and you know it. Feel free to demonstrate otherwise with some facts and figures.

    • Snail 15.2

      hi Stephen,

      would you be so kind as to explain to me how getting rid of the welfare would be an experiment..

  16. Julie 16

    Isn’t relying on charity a huge inefficient way of looking after those in need? Wouldn’t it be much more efficient, and take advantage of economies of scale, to do it through a progressive taxation system and state-provision of services?

    • Redbaiter 16.1

      For God’s sake? More efficient?? Are you completely nuts?? Read my post at 9:13

      • Julie 16.1.1

        The problem with your approach RedBaiter is that you seem to think that tax is only paid by one group, and that those who benefit from state provisions are another group entirely. Ie those who pay tax don’t benefit, and those who benefit don’t pay tax.

        I pay tax, a reasonable amount actually, and I also benefit. Everytime I drive somewhere I’m doing so on roads paid for by your tax, my tax, everyone’s tax. Even those on benefits pay tax. And there’s GST that everyone pays everytime they buy milk at the dairy.

        Beneficiaries (in the broad sense, not just those on benefits) are taxpayers. They are not mutually exclusive groups.

  17. justthefacts 18

    Why can’t I have the choice where the money stolen from me via tax goes?

    Work out how much of that tax goes to pay those on the dole and DPB and let me decide myself what charities get the money, as long as the amount is no less than what the government would take I see no problem with this.

    It would sure make me feel a lot better about where that money goes, I could even hold the charities to account for what they do with that money, wastage would be eliminated overnight.

    • Felix 18.1

      Think it through. Is there a valid reason for applying your idea to the dole and DPB but not to any other areas of public spending?

      • Redbaiter 18.1.1

        Apply it to all. Whats the prob?

        • Felix 18.1.1.1

          The problem is that it’s a completely different argument.

          If he wants to make that argument he should just make it and not piss around with these silly distractions and pretend it’s about the dole and the DPB.

    • Ag 18.2

      Because of market failure.

      Why is it that the political right is completely ignorant of the central economic feature of our societies?

      I mean you guys appear to have no clue of why we actually pay tax.

      Even if everyone had the same income, we would still be better off paying tax.

      Jesus, you folks are ig’nant.

  18. Maybe key has a modest proposal for us to be presented at a slightly later date?

  19. Bill 20

    I understand that in the US there is a culture among the socialites to attend charity fund raising dinners where they compete somewhat on the amount they donate to designated worthy causes.

    Which (apart from the observations already made about private charity being a poor second cousin to state provisioning) is problematic on two fronts. Many are posturing. Their motivation is to score points in the socialite scheme of things rather than exercise any genuine philanthropy. The second is that the worthy causes are selected and therefore probably have to get over a bar of sexy fashionibility to be considered.

    In the eyes of the rich, the poor are neither sexy nor fashionable. They are lesser scum who made bad life choices. They are the threat countering the promised pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. They elicit fear, loathing and disgust…not empathy.

    Ever been homeless and hungry? Ever been an integral part of that community for a sustained period of time? If you have been you will know that it is the poor who give to the poor while the wealthy (with very, very few exceptions) hurry by, look the other way. They seem to focus their disgust on the person rather than on the situation and so tend towards favouring the removal of the people rather than removal of the circumstances.

  20. TightyRighty 21

    it was pretty reasonable for the Prime Minister to ask that those who could afford it to donate the extra money in their pocket to charity. I really, really, really fail to see the reason for villification on this issue, party lines or otherwise. If the National party are trusting people to spend their money as they see fit to do so, whats wrong with the Leader of the National party to ask those benefting to show a little generosity of spirit?

    • Tane 21.1

      Because it’s part of an ongoing theme of Key’s – gradually dismantle the remaining elements of social democracy that we have, and hope that private charity will fill the gap. It’s been tried and it’s been failed, and it leads to misery for a whole lot of people. That’s why we brought in the welfare state to start with.

      • jtuckey 21.1.1

        What drivel – private charity has always and will always fill the gap.

        Key is not advocating removal of social welfare nor is anyone apart from the far right lunatics he’s merely saying that if people can afford to give the time or money to charitable causes they should do so – I’d have been appalled if he hadn’t said something like this at a conference on philanthropy.

  21. randal 22

    this “IS” the civil society
    I have more money than you so shut the f*ck up
    or I’ll call the hired goons to fix it so I dont have to listen to your whining about being hungry

  22. justthefacts 23

    Felix

    Fair question; the answer is that the dole and the DPB are the two area’s that I detest funding, they are also areas where we waste so much money.

    • Felix 23.1

      I detest funding lots of things too.

      That in itself doesn’t make a very sound argument for anything in particular though.

  23. Tim Ellis 24

    I think you’re barking up the wrong tree here IB. John Key hasn’t said anything about charity replacing the welfare state and I don’t think you can reasonably come up with that analysis.

    Private charity has always existed in New Zealand. It does a lot of good in New Zealand particularly in areas where the state just hasn’t delivered. The Wellington and Auckland City Missions, and the Sallys do amazing work for example. Pretty much all of the voluntary sector wouldn’t exist without private charity.

    All John Key is doing is encouraging people who can afford to donate to charity to do so. I think Phil Goff has to be pretty mean-spirited to object to that.

    • Matthew Pilott 24.1

      I think Phil Goff has to be pretty mean-spirited to object to that.

      Not when the money for the tax cuts came at the expense of people who ewarn far less in the first place.

      You’re right about the voluntary sector, of course, but it does pay to remember it only picks up where state welfare left off. I’d put it somewhere around the last 5%, maximum.

      It is also horrendously biased. All the sexy causes do really well, whereas the state allocates according to a level of reasoning, for the most part (although Key and Herceptin clearly shows where politics can get in the way of reason).

  24. r0b 25

    John Key hasn’t said anything about charity replacing the welfare state

    No, but he has begun the process of undermining it. And he has replaced Labour’s tax cuts, favouring low income earners, with National’s favouring the rich.

    Leaving Labour’s tax cut structure in place would have done far more for the needy in this country than largely symbolic calls for more charity.

    • Tim Ellis 25.1

      You can hardly say, r0b, that John Key “replaced” Labour’s tax cuts, which weren’t even implemented, and which Phil Goff has basically subsequently said would have been cancelled anyway. So assuming that Labour’s tax cuts would have remained in place is nonsense.

      • Pascal's bookie 25.1.1

        r0b can say that Tim, because that is what Key’s government has done . Replaced labour’s legislated tax cuts with some of their own. It is perfectly fair to say so.

        If Labour had won, Goff wouldn’t be leader. Assuming any counterfactual to be true leads to nonsense. In any case we know that Labour wouldn’t have replaced the tax cuts they had legislated for with some that fovoured the more wealthy. Which was the point.

        • Tim Ellis 25.1.1.1

          I think it’s fair to assume, r0b, that Labour’s tax policy wouldn’t have changed just by virtue of a change of leadership. Labour has advocated cancelling future rounds of tax cuts. It is a reasonable guess therefore that Labour would have cancelled the future tax cuts that it legislated for. National retained Labour’s first round of tax cuts. So it is a nonsense to say that National’s tax cuts were at the expense of low-income New Zealanders when those taxpayers would not have got the future rounds of Labour’s tax cuts anyway.

          • Pascal's bookie 25.1.1.1.1

            Well, it’s me not r0b, but nevermind.

            The problem is you are assuming things that are pointless. What National does should be judged on what National does, not by some comparison with what you assume Labour would have done.

            What is true though, and needs no assumptions, fair, mean, or sophistic, is that National’s tax changes favour the rich compared to what would be the case had National not done anything.

            That is all r0b said really. You need to get over the fact that National is in government Tim.

          • Tim Ellis 25.1.1.1.2

            Apologies for the confusion PB.

            It can only be said that National is taking money off the poor to give to the rich, through their tax cut programme, if the poor already had their tax cuts. They didn’t. The likelihood is that if Labour were still in Government, they wouldn’t have got them. You say the comparison is pointless. Yet the whole argument from IB that tax cuts are paid for by “taking money out of the pockets of low income workers” relies on a comparison that is nonsense. The money was never in low income workers’ pockets.

          • Pascal's bookie 25.1.1.1.3

            No apology needed Tim

            You seem to think that the National party are automatons that lack the power of agency. But perhaps I’m wrong.

            They can do whatever they want, or refrain from doing so, limited only by their imaginations, will and physical and intellectual boundaries. When they do things, those things have effects.

            What you imagine a hypothetical Labour government might have done, is simply irrelevant to the question of the effects of the things an actual National led government does.

            National, when it does things as a government, changes things from what we call the ‘status quo ante’.

            That is the thing you compare National’s actions with, both to determine what they have done, and to compare it with what things might have been like if they had not done it (which was in their power to do).

            What you are doing is comparing it with a ‘status quo some other universe where labour won the election and did what I imagine they would do in such a universe.’

            Which is pointless in this universe, where we are discussing the effects of the things National has done here, in this non hypothetical universe where National won the election and Labour lost it.

          • Tim Ellis 25.1.1.1.4

            Pointless argument. The “parallel universe” you refer to is whether Labour would or would not have cancelled the tax cuts. We know the answer to that because Phil Goff has announced it.

            Future tax cuts are not the status quo, because they haven’t been delivered.

            I’m afraid I don’t have the time to split pointless hairs with you PB.

          • Pascal's bookie 25.1.1.1.5

            You seem to have found the time so far Tim, but I’m glad that you agree that it is pointless to argue about what some hypothetical Labour government might have done.

            Future tax cuts are not the status quo, because they haven’t been delivered.

            This again, is either dishonest or stupid. Sorry to be so blunt, but you seem to want to cut to the chase.

            The labour tax cuts were very much the status quo. That is why you keep asserting that Labour would have cancelled them.

            If they were not the status quo, then doing nothing would be enough to stop them. But that is not the case at all is it Tim? If it were, Labour wouldn’t need to cancel them in your made up universe where they won the election.

            If National had not cancelled them and replaced them with their own package then they would have happened. You can’t deny that (because it is true), and you know what the effects of those changes are in terms of who gets what. You don’t like the optics of it, so you are pretending that the only options are National’s new package, and Labour’s make believe hypothetical canceling of them in that other universe.

            You do this because what National did looks better in comparison with your made up world, than it does in comparison with what the world would be like if National had not changed the tax law’s status quo ante.

            With regard to your ‘knowledge’ about what Labour would have done based on what Phil Goff said, are you saying that the Key led National Party is the same as the Brash led one? Clearly not.

            So on this one too again, I’ll accuse you of sophistry.

            But I’m happy to drop it.

  25. Gustavo Trellis 26

    Oh yes, the rich. Tell me, do you know how much tax the rich pay? I’ll give you a hint. 12% of the population pay 51% of income tax. But by all means, continue your insistence that them getting tax relief is morally outrageous.

    • Tane 26.1

      All that shows is how incredibly unequal the distribution of wealth in our society is. And your answer is to make it even more unequal?

  26. Felix 27

    So how do you hard-working mainstream first-time National voters feel about this?

    You booted Labour cos you wanted a change and that nice Mr Key said he’d give you a bit more of a tax cut so you could keep a bit more of your own money.

    Now it turns out it only amounts to 10 or 15 bucks a week and that nice Mr Key reckons you should think about giving it away!

    Dunno about you, but if it were me I’d be starting to feel like I’d been had.

    • TightyRighty 27.1

      I don’t feel “had”. i like it. i like being given back the right to be discretionary with more of my income. it also allows to distribute my “wealth” to charities that i think are more deserving of it. like the salvation army, like cancer foundation, like books in schools.

  27. justthefacts 28

    Felix

    I imagine they feel good about it, I also imagine they are counting their lucky stars that Dr Cullen did not get the chance to implement his “mini budget” where he would have rolled back the recent tax cuts.

    • Kaplan 28.1

      Seriously… offering you opinion what what may or may not have happened given different circumstances are hardly ‘just the facts’.
      I think you should consider a new pseudonym.

  28. The National-led government is taking the first steps in preparing for the dismantling of the welfare state.
    John Minto responded to Key’s Burnside speech in 2007 in his Herald column thus:
    [Key] sees the solution as donations from businesses and more government funding for community groups working with families. It’s a charity model based on the philanthropy of Victorian England, whereby the undertaxed rich patronise the deserving poor.

    Minto was spot on. Indeed the National Party should be straight up about its real intentions regarding charity. I’ve seen no evidence to persuade me that the thinking on National’s front bench is much different from the Libertarianz policy on social welfare, which says:
    “Libertarianz will leave you free to practise voluntary charity. All state benefits including unemployment, sickness, and DPB – would be phased out to permit the growth of voluntary charities and private insurance.

    This is not far off what was happening in the late 1990s, when administration of the the dole and the unemployed was going to be divested from WINZ and handed to charities. Don’t believe me? That’s exactly what the Howard government did in Australia. their equivalent of Work and Income, Centrelink, doesn’t find people jobs; private employment agencies are contracted to do it. These are called Job Network members and include charities such as The Salvation Army and St Vinnie’s as well as private and not-for-profit agencies.

    This all rings a bell.

    In his Philanthropy NZ speech, Key is saying to his rich mates, “we’re cutting your taxes, so you’re duty bound to stump up some of that to charities. Then we’ll be able to hand over social welfare to charities, slash the public service more, and then chop more off your taxes.”

    Few rightwing bloggers will put their hands on their shrivelled hearts and declare on their great grannie’s grave that they don’t want that.

    • Rex Widerstrom 29.1

      “…their equivalent of Work and Income, Centrelink, doesn’t find people jobs; private employment agencies are contracted to do it. These are called Job Network members and include charities…”

      In the mid-80s I worked for two charitable organisations who ran various government-funded training and job placement programmes. “Workskills Training” was one I recall… VOTP (which I think stood for “voluntary organisation training programme) was another. And I met regularly with other, larger providers in the sector, including the Salvation Army.

      Most of the training providers managed to achieve good results with their trainees and even used some of the meagre money they were given to support other programmes such as food banks or emergency housing.

      I’d put our success in training people and finding jobs up against any period when the same thing was run by DSW, WINZ or whatever acronym they called themselves at the time.

      Again – just like the private prisons argument – there’s nothing wrong with letting outside providers run a service. It’s all about how you choose them, how you fund them, how you contract them and how you monitor them.

      Having said that, National’s record in this respect ain’t grand.

      The change of government saw all our programmes cancelled. As a result one of the charitable organisations I’d worked for shrivelled to insignificance and the other went bankrupt. Supposedly the DoL were going to run their own training, They never really got round to it though. Thanks, Jenny.

  29. justthefacts 30

    “The National-led government is taking the first steps in preparing for the dismantling of the welfare state”

    God I hope so.

  30. Ianmac 31

    As a sometimes collector for charities I am sure of a distinction in giving. When covering a wealthy looking suburb, the door would not be opened or if it did you get a very abrupt “No!” Close door.
    In a poor neighbourhood with kids barefoot, no garden, derelect car, they almost always scratched around for something to give. Just my perception? Ask other collectors.

    • ak 31.1

      Not just your perception macca – seen it over and over again for many decades (and statistically proven upthread from memory). Crux of the matter is that righties need perceived inferiors. So will hold down what they’ve got and conjour others out of anything. Bureaucrats this year.

    • The geek speaks 31.2

      Ianmac
      I’d agree with that.
      I spent several months, a couple years ago canvassing the streets to sign up members for amnesty international.
      I would have signed up over a hundred people to making monthly contributions in the time i was there… lots of students, lots of benificiaries, lots of tradies and low level office scum like myself… not once was i able to sign up a suit. it was sad to see that those most capable of giving were those least willing to….

  31. SteveR 32

    Don’t those who support fewer taxes and more choice in who they give their newly-won income to see that it puts the social dimension of our society on a very uncertain, uneven foundation.

    It all depends on how much how many people give. If they give less, then more people will face poverty, illness, death etc. At least with funding such things via taxation we are all certain that we are all contributing, and the organisations so funded have far more certainty as to their income, which allows things like planning for the future, innovation etc.

    Surely all these things are the marks of a civilised society? Don’t we look back at, for example, Victorian England, workhouses, death and squalor all around, and think: “How could people live like that?”; “How could people treat each other like that?”

    In short, don’t we feel superior to that society? Do we want to return to it, really?

    • RedLogix 32.1

      Do we want to return to it, really?

      As is plainly evident from some of our rightwing commenters here… the answer is yes. They need the ‘workhouses, death and squalor all around’ in order to feel good about themselves.

      It really is that simple.

      • Redbaiter 32.1.1

        “They need the ‘workhouses, death and squalor all around’ in order to feel good about themselves.”

        Utterly insane.

        • It certainly fits in with the pies in school carry on. No point in them being sucessful if there is not others around them to fail. Far too much of their policy so far has been fiddling around with things to make sure that there are more chances for people to fail.

          • Rex Widerstrom 32.1.1.1.1

            Oh bloody hell. The righties seem to want to give people the “choice” to starve to death while the lefties want to give them the “choice” of a school menu featuring nothing but tofu and mung beans :-D

            How about we resist the bloody urge to keep tinkering with everything just because we’re a government and thus we’re quite certain we must far smarter than the last lot who were in power?

            All things in moderation, as they say – meat pies and welfare policy included.

  32. lampie 33

    This John guy is a bit COCK-KEY

  33. Stephen 34

    Here’s a question Stephen. As taxes have been slashed around the world since the great neoliberal project kicked off thirty years ago, have the cuts in social welfare and public services been made up on a dollar for dollar basis by private charity?

    Fair point. I have no idea how you, or I for that matter, would prove that definitively. I had a look around at some old stuff from the 80s and before, and it seems that giving/expenditures were increasing very quickly in the 80s (doubling over about 8 years from 1980, but it continued a trend.

  34. Ianmac 35

    And think of the charity delivered by this Govt to Plunket, and in a sense an emotional rather than logical handout to Hercepton.

    When my brother-in-law was a plumber decades ago, he found that the hardest part was going to the door to get the rich folk to pay their bill. Months would sometimes go by and plenty of excuses why the couldn’t pay just yet.

  35. Stephen 36

    As Steve R alludes, the thing about the idea that ‘charity’ will come through takes a bit of a hit if people say, choose to save the whales instead of feeding the homeless with their super-low taxes, a lot of people will suffer…

  36. Get the chip off your shoulder about the states. I have spent time in the states and have found they are the most generous people I have meant.

    This site gets worse and worse and is really turning into gutter journalism, lose the hate Irishbill and mainstream kiwis may take this site more seriously.

  37. Snail 38

    Allow me add my own immediate response to the news: taxcuts for charity. That is to say these post-April taxcuts. Wonderment is a kinder expression than bewilderment—surely Tories have a penchant for efficiency and where is the administrative efficiency in this. In practise: mishmash!

    I dunno, end of the day for me.. and I roll up to find a long thread getting longer.. it’s only a problem insofar as finding a place to respond or comment for oneself.. a point made to explain why I wanted to add something to Monty’s earlier mucho — yeah professing himself rich by hard work is mucho

    So also — at least putting his money where his mouth is

    More to the point, Monty, as first peoples’ wisdom relates, putting his money into his mouth is the lesson to behold.

    Aid to understanding (from tee shirt culture) : You Can’t Eat Money.

  38. roger nome 39

    Brett – charity only takes you so far – without adequate social safety nets you get crime, swollen prisons, rampant prostitution, increased demand for drugs … and the list goes on and on. It’s the sadistic puritanical mentality – that people deserve to suffer, which exacerbates all these social ills. It creates a society divided – at war with itself – but that’s the brand of Christianity in the States – the focus is on punishment rather than harmony. That’s why it’s a society with such appalling social statistics (i.e. 12 times the proportion of its population in prison when compared to Scandinavian countries).

  39. gingercrush 40

    This is one of the most disappointing posts I’ve read here. But what is most disappointing, is the numerous replies in this thread with many merely using it to attack others.

    Here’s an actual excerpts from the Herald article:

    Mr Key said though many people needed the tax cuts to pay debt or bills, “I am just as sure there are many who are in a position to donate some.

    There Key clearly states that if one isn’t using the tax cut for expenditure purposes or to pay off debt then they may consider donating some of their tax cuts to charities. Key never states that they have to. He states that they consider giving to charity.

    Underlying the obvious ideological flaws evident here. John Key is not dismantling New Zealand’s social democracy. Indeed, no where does he speak of raiding benefits or turning the health care sector into private hands. There is really no dismantling whatsoever. So why insist on saying he is dismantling it when he isn’t.

    John Key is not encouraging low income earners to go out and beg. Why you assert that is belatedly beyond me. Indeed Key isn’t even taking money away from low income earners and giving it to upper income earners. And lastly Key doesn’t even state anything about the needy.

    What John Key is actually saying, is that he would like New Zealanders overall to give more generously to charities. And that the tax cuts coming into effect could go a long way to helping charity. And indeed if we as collective individuals did give more money to charity it would undoubtedly help many charities out. You know some of those charities. Some of them with long links to left organisations. The charities that go a long way to helping out those intellectually handicapped, those with cancer. Those tacking drug and alcohol problems and indeed those with Green measures. He points to how United States are generous with giving money to charity and how he would like to see some of that here. I think that is an admirable goal. Particularly, because if we gave as much money to charities as the US on top of our support in public housing, social welfare, healthcare, education and many other things. Our nation itself would be greater for it.

    I’m not even sure most of you read the damn article. Because if you had, you would realise that the points Irishbill make aren’t actually true. But no instead of reading the Herald article. You all act like little kids in some supreme shouting match and use generalisations that all people that are rich are somehow pricks and are indeed selfish with their money. Of course there are many that identity with left politics that are themselves rich. Likewise, the Green voter base tends to be inner-city with very high incomes. Are these people pricks? I am disappointing with Irishbill’s interpretation of the article. And I’m flabbergasted at some of the replies I’ve seen in this thread.

  40. Rachelr 41

    This is a classic argument which is entirely futile.

    While we sit here and debate the role of government or the non-profit sector, services are lost and people suffer. Now more than ever is the time to give generously as a private citizen, regardless of your political view.

    Tax is forced philanthropy. Wouldnt it be better if we were all sufficiently plugged into our communities enough to recognise and assist when needed?

    • Strathen 41.1

      Could the tax breaks to the upper class be an effort to ensure they don’t take their money overseas to countries that provide better tax benefits?

      Someone mentioned that 12% of the population pays 51% of the tax. If this is true, don’t we want that 12% keeping their money in NZ? Or is there a law I don’t know about that prevents the upper incomes from taking their money to Monaco? How hard would it get for our welfare system if the 12% left and the remaining 88% had to make up the loss of 51% of the tax generation?

      To put my devil’s advocated spin on it, this tax break will help the poor by keeping the big tax payers money in NZ?

      EDIT— Sorry Rachelr, I was meant to reply to the whole thread and not just your post.

      • Snail 41.1.1

        one import of what you appear to be saying is that lower-incomed folk not give to charity and rely on upper-incomed folk to do so..

        are you serious?

  41. Simon-5 42

    Ordinary New Zealanders have been expected to pay for the lifestyle choices of the criminals and the beneficiaries for far too long.

    Taking from the overburdened in order to give to the undeserving is inequitable. No amount of Labour spin is going to convince the electorate otherwise.

  42. jimbo 43

    Amazing that Key has received any criticism at all over this.

    When Australia was burning up a few weeks back, I am sure that plenty of contributors to this blog went to the Red Cross website and gave some money to the relief effort. No one waited around for legislative changes before feeling the time was right to make a contribution.

    Key is just reminding people that you can do the same thing right now and help those people caught out by the current economic crisis.

    Society’s response to trouble DOES NOT have to be state-imposed, centrally planned or uniformly collective.

  43. Simon-5 44

    When Australia was burning up a few weeks back, I am sure that plenty of contributors to this blog went to the Red Cross website and gave some money to the relief effort.

    Friend, you’re in the wrong place. This is a Labour Party blog, the absolute last thing* that any of the contributors here would do is make a contribution to charity.

    They’re the takers, not the givers.

    (*) with the exception of getting a job.

  44. mike 45

    “John Key is a dipshit”
    Gee the tone of this site his lowered since Pierson left.

    Also banning HS and calling him a”smarmy fucker” for dearing to link the EPMU to labour was a joke right?

    Anyone would think you lefties are stressed out or something….

  45. Snail 46

    Simon-5 and whomsoever et als talk of takers..

    Well, just in from Huffingpost is a remarkable story of a once-was-taker giving back. Yes, this cites some very significant (devil-in-the-detail) data and insofar as the rule of law (read sanctity of contract law) those IN-laws are definitely IN.

    Dah-dah — Douglas Poling, who received the richest payment of more than $6.4 million, is the 48-year-old son of a former chief executive of Ford Motor Co. At AIG he is an executive vice president with responsibility for energy and infrastructure investments. He is one of the roughly 418 current and former employees from AIG’s financial-products unit who received bonus payments.

    note please do, employees of the financial-products unit. WE can leave off this ledger the fate of FMC, suffice to recognise its imperilled position along with other tranport sector folks. But get that where the money is.. and maybe wonder a little at how much you were paying for gasoline/diesel last year. Connected—you bet!

    And worth looking out for huh..

  46. TightyRighty 47

    Tax cuts for donating to charities now being pushed. gee that kind of throws a spanner in the works of “who will donate $10k a year to charities”.

  47. Taken from the web:

    There is altogether too much talk about the United States being ungenerous with foreign aid. We show up as 21st in the rankings, in per capita terms, according to one estimate. These figures neglect remittances, where the U.S. is a very clear first with $28.4 billion a year sent to other countries. The bottom line: when it comes to other nations, the United States is the most generous country in the world.

    Are you interested in the rest of the top ten, for remittances? Saudi Arabia, with $15.1 billion a year, is a clear number two. Then you have Germany, Belgium, Switzerland, France, Luxembourg, Israel, Italy, and Japan. The Scandinavian nations receive so much kudos for their high foreign aid per capita, but when it comes to remittances, even tiny Luxembourg, population 437,389, beats them out.

    • ak 48.1

      Ever heard of the widow’s mite Bretty? Or “tied aid”? Or buying influence?

    • Snail 48.2

      BD,

      you continue to amaze me.. For someone who has spent “time in the states” (you recently said this, I believe) the following strikes out — The bottom line: when it comes to other nations, the United States is the most generous country in the world.

      There being no concept whatsoever in this statement or in the mindset that wrote of what it means to be a recipient of USAid.. or indeed a US aider.

      as the saying goes: aint no free lunches!

  48. Dr Steevens 49

    Once again, James at Editing The Herald offers an interesting perspective – do we really want to be like the US with charity plugging gaps in social services?

    http://editingtheherald.blogspot.com/2009/03/thursday-march-2009-charity.html

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  • Quick post debate comment
    The general consensus seems to be that Cunliffe ‘won’ the debate although not overwhelmingly. Various pundits have wondered what happened to Key. Why wasn’t he funnier? Didn’t he prepare enough?  I think Key’s problem last night went a bit deeper...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    Frankly Speaking | 28-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    Frankly Speaking | 28-08
  • New Zealand can’t put the urban genie back in its bottle
    Although the majority of New Zealanders have lived in towns and cities for almost a century, it sometimes seems like we’re in denial that we live in an urban nation. This unease came to the fore during the debate over...
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • Entering The Labyrinth
    The New Theseus: In a world of mendacious politicians, giant corporations and impenetrable public bureaucracies, the hacker offers the only credible hope of entering the modern labyrinth. Stieg Larsen's character, Lisbeth Salander, is the archetypal fictional representation of the "White...
    Bowalley Road | 28-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Press Release – TPPA Action – Wellington Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington,...
    Its our future | 28-08
  • Gordon Campbell on last night’s debate, and the Collins accusation
    Debating is a peculiar discipline in that what you say is less important than how you’re saying it. Looking poised, being articulate and staying on topic generally wins the day – and on that score, Labour leader David Cunliffe won...
    Gordon Campbell | 28-08
  • Sean Plunket comes around on the Watergate comparison (‘Dirty Politics’...
    Here’s RadioLIVE talkback host Sean Plunket from this morning — thinking his way through the prickly situation revealed in Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics … and finding the comparison to Watergate and dirty tricks orchestrated from Richard Nixon’s office is...
    The Paepae | 28-08
  • Time to change: Another Fatality at Lyttelton, Port of Christchurch
    On January 6th 2014 I asked When will the next fatality happen at Lyttelton, Port of Christchurch?, after a near miss gave clear evidence that the Port’s safety systems were not in control. It was a prediction that was almost...
    Lance Wiggs | 28-08
  • The First Leaders’ Debate: Cunliffe Shows His Quality.
    Epic Struggle: Tonight New Zealanders were privileged to witness a truly outstanding encounter between two highly effective politicians. Leaving aside its ridiculous "poll", TVNZ has just screened one of the best leaders' debates in decades.WHAT A BLOODY SHAME. For 59 minutes TVNZ...
    Bowalley Road | 28-08
  • US State Department underestimates carbon pollution from Keystone XL
    This is like the movie Groundhog Day. I seem forever forced to correct the State Department’s errant analysis of Alberta tar sands emissions. Now, however, other people are agreeing with me. A recent paper published in Nature Climate Change reviewed...
    Skeptical Science | 28-08
  • Stuart’s 100 #16 A Retail Renaissance?
    16: A Retail Renaissance? What if Topshop Topman was just the beginning? Over the past year or so there has started to be some recognition in the media that change is afoot in the central city retail scene (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11269705, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11262222 ) ....
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • Labour on the environment
    Labour released its environment policy today. While supposedly predicated on the idea of "no healthy economy without a healthy environment", its... weak. On the core issue of the RMA, they reject National's latest round of gutting, but basically accept all...
    No Right Turn | 28-08
  • World News Brief, Thursday August 28
    Top of the AgendaNATO Plans New Bases as Poroshenko Meets Putin...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Britain’s toxic elite
    In something that should be news to no-one, a report has found that Britain is in the thrall of an unrepresentative elite:Britain is "deeply elitist" because people educated at public school and Oxbridge have in effect created a "closed shop...
    No Right Turn | 28-08
  • Debates don’t change anything unless they do
    Leaders’ debate tonight! Reading through some of the political science about debates over lunchtime and the general consensus seems to be that debates don’t really change voters’ minds unless one of the debaters dramatically under-performs or over-performs.  But all other things...
    DimPost | 28-08
  • Is 2014 a landmark election for Green politics?
    Last week I asked, somewhat facetiously, whether this would be New Zealand's first policy-free election. Now obviously parties will release policies and they will provoke some debate, but it does seem that the personalities and the general perception of each...
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Nicky Hager’s public meeting in Auckland last night
    Nicky Hager was in Auckland last night, at a public meeting called to give people the opportunity to hear from — and question — the author of Dirty Poltiics, a book the author said is about ethics. Quite a good turnout...
    The Paepae | 28-08
  • NZ Greens – quick on the photocopiers
    Environment Victoria have got a rather clever print campaign going in support of renewable energy. This went to print in The Age yesterday… [via Twitter]   It didn’t take the NZ Greens long to get their solar powered photocopier up...
    Progress report | 28-08
  • Dick Fritter: tonight’s big fight
    Expert commentator Dick Fritter gives his tips on what each party leader needs to do to win the big TV debate...
    Imperator Fish | 28-08
  • New World wants to turn your kids into mindless zombie consumers
    Parents will know the pester power unleashed by offering collectables such as toys (or in the case of Countdown, cards). This tactic has long been used by fast food companies to lure in kids. Now it is being used as...
    Gareth’s World | 28-08
  • Stop spinning the debate
    Take the people saying  ‘all David Cunliffe has to do is draw’. Unfortunately, last year David Cunliffe’s supporters in the leadership contest argued he should lead the  party because of his superior debating skills....
    Pundit | 28-08
  • Mayor’s Long Term Plan proposal released
    This morning the mayor released his proposal for the Long Term Plan, which outlines the 10 year budget for the city. This is the first stage in a 9 month process. Long-term Plan timeline August 2014 – Mayor’s LTP proposal...
    Transport Blog | 28-08
  • New Fisk
    Israel-Gaza conflict: No victory for Israel despite weeks of devastation...
    No Right Turn | 27-08
  • Public servants are now afraid to do their duty
    How afraid are public servants of Judith Collins? So afraid they won't perform their legal duty and transfer "political" OIA requests to her office. An FYI user asked the Ministry of Justice for information about the handling of OIA requests...
    No Right Turn | 27-08
  • Too close to call in Te Tai Hauauru
    Maori TV yesterday released the results of their poll of the Te Tai Hauauru electorate, and it’s a close one, with the Maori Party’s Chris McKenzie just 3% ahead of Labour’s Adrian Rurawhe. Given that the pundits and iPredict have...
    Occasionally erudite | 27-08
  • Speaker: Election 2014: Mental Health Policies
    Health funding is tricky.  Politically, it's often about robbing Peter to pay Paul, and my experience of working in the public mental health system for many years is that mental health is often the "black sheep" of the health system. ...
    Public Address | 27-08
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 23 – SkyCity deal.1
     The Nation: John Key 'Meets the Press' The involvement I had as Minister of Tourism was to go and talk to a number of critical players and as part of a general conversation say to them hey look New Zealand's interested...
    Arch Rival | 27-08
  • Poll of Polls update – 28 August 2014
    3News Reid Research released their latest poll last night, and it’s good news for almost everyone but the major parties. National are down 2.5% to 45%. That’s the danger zone – if NZ First is over 5% and National is on just...
    Occasionally erudite | 27-08
  • Help bring about change – get someone out to vote
    Getting our supporters out to vote during is something veteran Labour volunteers are familiar with – but it’s something every Labour supporter can help with too, even those who have so far not been able to be actively involved with...
    Labour campaign | 27-08
  • Private education company celebrates taxpayer largesse
    Tertiary Update Vol 17 No 29 New Zealand’s largest tertiary education company Intueri, announced a $1.6 million profit this week, courtesy of a massive increase in public funding over the last two years of at least $1.8 million. “The government...
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Labor neighbour Bryce pitches in at Fraser House
    When are we pleased to see the Aussies? Certainly when we’re beating them at rugby and definitely when they are supporting Labour’s election campaign. Bryce Roney, who works for Labor in Tasmania, has been seconded to Fraser House by the...
    Labour campaign | 27-08
  • Kelburn academics want Living Wage for low paid colleagues
    Academics at Victoria University of Wellington’s Kelburn campus called for the university to reconsider its stance on the Living Wage at their stop-work meeting this week. The university and TEU members have been in collective agreement negotiations for months now....
    Tertiary Education Union | 27-08
  • Pacific languages recognised under Labour
    Labour will act to recognise the five main Pacific languages in New Zealand including through the education system, said Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. Announcing Labour’s Pacific Island policy he said that there must be a strong commitment to...
    Labour | 29-08
  • No healthy economy without a healthy environment
    Labour recognises that we cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment, says Environment spokesperson Moana Mackey announcing Labour’s environment policy. “New Zealand’s economy has been built on the back of the enormous environmental wealth we collectively enjoy as...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Better protection, fairer deal for Kiwi consumers
    Tackling excessive prices, ensuring consumers have enough information to make ethical choices and giving the Commerce Commission more teeth are highlights of Labour’s Consumer Rights policy. “The rising cost of living is a concern for thousands of Kiwi families. A...
    Labour | 28-08
  • Media Advisory – MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki Annette Sykes, Waia...
    Media are advised that this coming weekend, the MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will be on the Internet MANA Road Trip within the electorate of Waiariki. Speakers confirmed are Annette Sykes, Hone Harawira, John Minto, Laila Harre and Kim...
    Mana | 27-08
  • Internet MANA – Waiariki Road Trip: 29, 30, 31 Aug 2014
    The Internet MANA Road Trip hits Waiariki this weekend. It would be great if all MANA members in Waiariki could especially attend the public meetings and show their support for our Waiariki candidate Annette Sykes. Confirmed speakers Hone Harawira (except Taupo), Annette...
    Mana | 27-08
  • First home buyers $200 a week better off with Labour
    A couple earning around $75,000 a year would be $200 a week better off buying a two bedroom terraced Labour KiwiBuild home instead of an equivalent new build under National’s housing policy, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe.  “National’s policy to...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Another Day – Another big power profit
    The latest profit announcement from Genesis Energy shows that the power company was sold for a song to the detriment of the country’s power consumers, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “A net profit of $ 49.2 million follows hard...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour embraces the rainbow
    Labour will work hard to ensure all New Zealanders enjoy the freedom to grow up and live their lives in dignity and security. Labour’s Rainbow policy, released tonight in Wellington, focuses on International Relations, Human Rights and Education....
    Labour | 26-08
  • National gets fast and loose with the facts
    In their desperation to make it look as though they are doing something about the housing crisis, National is playing fast and loose with the facts, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford....
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour will drop power prices for Kiwi families
    New Zealanders will get cheaper power prices under NZ Power, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “The electricity market is clearly broken. With falling demand for electricity, prices should be going down. Instead prices are going up and companies are extracting...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Labour: Promoting sustainable tourism
    Ensuring New Zealand’s clean, green status continues to be an international tourism benchmark and reviewing MBIE’s oversight of the tourism sector will be on the radar under a Labour Government. Releasing Labour’s Tourism policy today, spokesperson Darien Fenton said tourism...
    Labour | 26-08
  • Skills shortage a result of National’s complacency
    The fact that there is still a severe shortage of skilled tradespeople, despite a growth in the number of apprentices, is a result of National’s failure to plan and develop the workforce, Grant Robertson, Labour Employment, Skills and TrainingSpokesperson says."The...
    Labour | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker?? – Mint...
    MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is calling for a radical overhaul of New Zealand’s taxation system with calculations showing that a minimum wage worker pays a ten times higher tax rate than the Prime Minister. o Minimum wage...
    Mana | 25-08
  • Labour’s culture of science and innovation
    Labour will create a culture of science and innovation in New Zealand that will be the envy of the world, says Labour’s Innovation, Research and Development spokesperson Megan Woods. “Labour believes that good science lies at the heart of a...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Improving life for our new New Zealanders
    New Zealand’s international standing as a community that encourages and fosters all cultures will be bolstered under a Labour Government with an upgrade of the present Office of Ethnic Affairs to a Ministry. Releasing Labour’s Ethnic Affairs policy, spokesperson Phil...
    Labour | 25-08
  • South Auckland housing crisis
    National’s HomeStart package is nothing more than a political stunt designed to beguile South Auckland voters, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio. “Few working Pasifika and Maori workers in South Auckland will be able to buy their own...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Home buyer subsidy discredited in Oz
    Treasury advised against National’s policy of ramping up home buyer subsidies after it was discredited in Australia because it pushed house prices even higher, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “Documents released under the OIA (attached) show Treasury advised the...
    Labour | 25-08
  • Nursing hours explain turnover and high-stress culture
    A staff survey supports concerns nursing staff at Dunedin Hospital are under increasing pressure and that the emergency department is in a critical state, says Labour’s Associate Health Spokesperson David Clark.  “An ED nursing survey at Dunedin found that 80...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Underhand tactics prove case for axing donations
    Revelations that schools are using underhand tactics to coerce donations from cash-strapped parents further highlights the need for Labour's plan to increase funding so they aren't dependent on contributions from parents, Labour's Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “By law New...
    Labour | 24-08
  • National applies band-aid to housing crisis
    The Government’s flagship housing announcement is a band-aid approach that will push up prices rather than solve the housing crisis, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “House sales to first home buyers have collapsed as a direct result of the Government’s...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Climate change focus on the now for the future
    A Labour Governmentwill put in place a comprehensive climate change strategy focusing on bothmitigation and adaptation, establish an independent Climate Commission andimplement carbon budgeting, says Labour Climate Change spokesperson MoanaMackey."This is about future-proofing our economy. Making the transition to alow-carbon...
    Labour | 24-08
  • Labour’s 21st century transport pledge
    The next Labour-led Government will create a 21st century transport system for New Zealand that promotes the most efficient and sustainable combination of transport options, says Labour’s Transport spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour will rebalance the Government's transport spending away from...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Housing under National: the facts
    1.       House prices in Auckland Council valuations indicate Auckland house prices have gone up by one-third over the last three years. (Auckland Council) The average Auckland house price has gone up by nearly $225,000 since 2008, up over $75,000 in...
    Labour | 23-08
  • Labour irons out low income tax issue
    The increasing casualisation of work has led to many New Zealand families being disadvantaged through the tax they pay, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. "Many low paid workers are having to work two or three jobs to make ends meet...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Cornered Government comes out swinging
    The National Government is so desperate to keep its dead-in-the-water expert teachers policy alive, it has refused to rule out forcing schools to participate through legislation, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “John Key today attacked the Educational Institute for...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Pacific people continue to go backwards under National
    A report from Victoria University highlights the fact that Pacific people are continuing to go backwards under a National Government, said Labour’s Pacific Affairs spokesperson Su’a William Sio.  “The report shows the largest inequality increases were in smoking, obesity, tertiary...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Wellington transport plan needs to keep moving
    The failure of the Transport Agency to properly look at alternatives to the Basin Reserve flyover is not a good reason for further delays to improving transport in Wellington, Labour MPs Grant Robertson and Annette King say. “The Board of...
    Labour | 22-08
  • Labour’s focus on inequality, kids and better job prospects
    Tackling child poverty and removing barriers to people working part time to enhance their prospects of moving into a fulltime job are highlights of Labour’s Social Development policy. Releasing the policy today, spokesperson Sue Moroney said while part-time work was...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Political staff should give answers under oath
    The Inspector General of Security and Intelligence should use her full statutory powers to question witnesses under oath about the leak of SIS information, says Labour MP Phil Goff. “Leakage of confidential information from the SIS for political purposes is...
    Labour | 21-08
  • High dollar, hands-off Govt sends workers to dole queue
    The loss of up to 100 jobs at Croxley stationery in Auckland is devastating news for their families and the local Avondale community, Labour’s Employment, Skills and Training spokesperson Grant Robertson says. “The company’s inability to compete in international markets...
    Labour | 21-08
  • National’s flagship education policy dead in the water
    National’s plan to create executive principals and expert teachers is effectively dead in the water with news that 93 percent of primary teachers have no confidence in the scheme, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “The fact that teachers are...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Dunedin will be a knowledge and innovation centre under Labour
    Dunedin will become a knowledge and innovation centre under a Labour Government that will back local businesses, support technology initiatives and fund dynamic regional projects, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Nowhere has the National Government’s short-sightedness been more apparently than...
    Labour | 21-08
  • Inquiry into SIS disclosures the right decision
    Labour MP Phil Goff says the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has done the right thing by launching an inquiry into the disclosure of SIS documents about a meeting between himself and the agency’s former director-general. “This inquiry is necessary...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Labour – supporting and valuing carers and the cared for
    Placing real value on our elderly and the people who care for them will be a priority for a Labour Government, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. Releasing Labour’s Senior Citizens policy today David Cunliffe promised that a Labour Government would...
    Labour | 20-08
  • By Hoki! It’s Labour’s fisheries policy
    A Labour Government will protect the iconic Kiwi tradition of fishing by improving access to the coast, protecting the rights of recreational fishers and reviewing snapper restrictions, Labour’s Fisheries spokesperson Damien O’Connor says. “Catching a fish from the rocks, beach...
    Labour | 20-08
  • Mighty River – Mighty Profits – Mighty hard to swallow
    Mighty River Power’s profit increase of 84 per cent is simply outrageous, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “Demand for electricity is flat or declining yet the company has made enormous profits. It is the latest power company to celebrate...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • It’s downhill from here under National
    The forecast drop in exports and predicted halving of growth shows that it’s downhill from here with National, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Growth under this Government peaked in June and halves to two per cent in coming years....
    Labour | 19-08
  • John Key loses moral compass over Collins
    John Key has lost his moral compass over Judith Collins’ involvement with Cameron Slater and lost touch with New Zealanders’ sense of right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “Whoever is Prime Minister there are expectations they will not...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Mana Movement General Election 2014 List confirmed
    The MANA List is now confirmed with all the candidates as below (the numbers are the respective Internet MANA rankings). Candidate, Electorate, Internet MANA List Position Hone Harawira, Te Tai Tokerau (1) Annette Sykes, Waiariki (3) John Minto, Mt Roskill (4) Te Hamua Nikora, Ikaroa-Rawhiti...
    Mana | 18-08
  • PREFU likely to confirm dropping exports
    National’s economic management will be put under the spotlight in tomorrow’s PREFU given clear signs the so-called rock star economy has fallen off the stage, with plummeting prices for raw commodity exports, Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker says. “Under National,...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Record profits while Kiwis face a cold winter
    The record profits by two of New Zealand’s largest electricity companies will be a bitter pill for New Zealand households who are paying record amounts for their power, says Labour’s Energy spokesperson David Shearer. “No doubt the Key government will...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time for John Key to answer yes or no questions
    John Key’s train-wreck interview on Morning Report shows he is no longer capable of a simple yes or no answer and has lost touch with what’s right and wrong, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key has become so media...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Key must clarify who signed out SIS OIA
    Yet again John Key is proving incapable of answering a simple question on an extremely important issue – this time who signed off Cameron Slater’s fast-tracked SIS OIA request on Phil Goff, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “John Key’s claim...
    Labour | 18-08
  • Time to invest in our tertiary education system
    A Labour Government will fully review the student support system – including allowances, loans, accommodation support and scholarships – with a view to increasing access and making the system fair, transparent and sustainable, Labour’s Tertiary Education spokesperson Maryan Street says....
    Labour | 17-08
  • Labour will facilitate regional Māori economic development agencies
    The next Labour Government will facilitate the creation of regional Māori economic development groups lead by iwi and hapū to work in partnership with business and public agencies as part of its Māori Development policy. “Labour is committed to working towards...
    Labour | 16-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • The Green Room live streamed on TDB 6.30pm tonight for First Leaders debate
    The ‘Green Room’ will stream 6.pm tonight on The Daily Blog during the TV One leaders’ debate.Use #GreenRoomNZ to join in. The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Manukau East – the next Coalition in action
    A couple of weeks ago I had the pleasure of opening Voice Up – a youth forum run by young people in Otara. I had been asked as Chair of the Local Board to set the scene, encouraging young people...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – The Big Bang Theory
    It’s a shame that it took a brain injury for me to start seeing things with such startling clarity. The realisation that lawyering, fishing, parenting, selling cars and racing yachts had common themes was stunning. Not perhaps as stunning as...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how much Key aro...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls
    MIL OSI – Source: Selwyn Manning – Analysis Headline: 5AA Australia – New Zealand’s Dirty Politics Aftermath and Polls 5AA Australia: On this week’s Across the Ditch bulletin on 5AA Australia, host Peter Godfery and Selwyn Manning discuss the aftermath...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • La’o Hamutuk calls for inquiry into Timor GAP ‘mismanagement’ of oil ...
    The Suai project on the South Coast … “liberated” land but confused communities.Photo: La’o Hamutuk David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. AN INDEPENDENT Timor-Leste development and social justice agency has called for an inquiry into the Timor GAP corporation...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • What Is Nicky Hager?
    WHAT WILL HISTORY MAKE of Nicky Hager? That slight, perpetually boyish, journalist who descends periodically, like the admonishing angel in a medieval mystery play, to trouble our consciences and wreak merry havoc with the orderly conduct of our political affairs....
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Can anyone in msm explain how after Dirty Politics that they all got played...
    Would you not think, that after reading Dirty Politics, that our mainstream media wouldn’t allow themselves to get tricked and played again by the VERY SAME discredited pundits? The best new feature on Radio NZ is their ‘Blog Watch’ and their...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Crusher Collins caught out lying about Privacy Commissioner – is this her...
    Crusher angry. Crusher smash own career. Crusher more angry. You would think that after getting outed as such a nasty, vicious piece of work in Dirty Politics, that Crusher would be scrambling to dial back the lies and manipulations. Apparently...
    The Daily Blog | 27-08
  • Cunliffe vs Key – first leaders debate
    This is your election ‘moderator’ – just one more reason an incoming Government need to sack everyone at TVNZ and reform it into an actual public broadcaster. The first leaders debate happens this Thursday, 7pm on TV One. I have...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – An Old and Honourable Profession
      When Dirty Politics started to reference an ex-prostitute I began to get antsy. My first response was “come on Nicky, we decriminalised in 2003. Its sex worker.” My second response was “Ah oh. Who was it and did they...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Bought and paid for: the dirty politics of climate denial
    Has climate denial in New Zealand been bought and paid for by corporate interests? We already know that the ACT Party’s routine denial is closely linked to the financial support the party receives from wealthy free market fundamentalist Alan Gibbs,...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • If the msm read The Daily Blog, THIS wouldn’t be a surprise – explainin...
    Yawn. How embarrassing for Hamish Rutherford and Andrea Vance, their breathless article today suggests that the idea of Labour and NZ First cutting a  deal over the buy back of assets  is some how new news. Silly mainstream media  journalists. If...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • How much tax does John Key pay compared to a minimum wage worker??
    Yesterday I did some calculations to find out what tax John Key pays compared to a worker on the minimum wage. And I put out this media release for the Mana Movement: MANA Movement Economic Justice spokesperson John Minto is...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Hip hop death threats – the selective outrage of our media
    PM death threat in hip hop songAn Auckland hip-hop crew slammed for releasing a song with lyrics that apparently include a threat to kill Prime Minister John Key are urging young people to enrol to vote. Kill The PM, by...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes
    Watch Slater turn into Key right before your eyes...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this!
    I don’t always agree with Patrick Gower – but he didn’t deserve this weird spear tackle from behind by his own company. I was listening to this interview at the time, and the awkwardness of it must be the worst...
    The Daily Blog | 26-08
  • Is it weird Radio NZ ban me yet still have….
    Is it weird Radio NZ ban me for life because I criticised the Prime Minister yet still have Matthew Hooton, David Farrar and Jordan Williams, 3 of the main protagonists revealed in Dirty Politics as part of their ongoing political...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Christchurch GCSB meeting – why mass surveillance matters in 2014
    This is the video for last weeks GCSB meeting in Christchurch. Don’t forget Nicky Hager’s public meeting Wednesday night in Auckland, TDB will live stream the event in the interests of our democracy. Broadcast starts 7.30pm here on TDB....
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Assange, Greenwald to appear at Town Hall meeting? + KDC is not the hacker ...
    Wikileaks founder and the engineer of revealing some of the largest abuses of power in the modern era, Julian Assange, is rumoured to be appearing at the September 15th Town Hall meeting. Assange would join award winning investigative journalist Glen...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Why Paula Bennett will be the next leader and Hooton throws the Prime Minis...
    I don’t think the public have any idea of the behind the scenes meltdown now occurring within National. There are plenty of decent right wingers who all have ethical standards who have looked at what their leaders have been doing and...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – That Awkward Feeling When Your Campaign Goe...
    Urgh. It’s a thankless and nearly impossible task politically firefighting some days. Somebody (who isn’t you, but who’s in your care, or whom you’ve got a close professional relationship with) does or says something stupid; somebody from the Media’s there...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Dirty politics goes viral
    Join the latest social networking craze this election that every Dog Cat and Jabba is putting on their facebook pages.     Joe Trinder – Ngāti Awa Born and born in Ōtepoti Ōtākou, Ex RNZN he is an Information Technology...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Blogwatch: An open letter to David Farrar: Please, be that guy
    Dear David, In light of  Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics, you wrote a blog entitled ‘Some changes on Kiwiblog’ and you suggested it was time to tighten up ship on your website, saying “I want to improve trust in myself,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • What The Hell Was That! Reflections on the media’s coverage of the Intern...
    WHAT, EXACTLY, DO WE KNOW about the confrontation outside Internet-Mana’s campaign launch? Well, we know the news media was there in force. We also know Internet-Mana’s media person, Pam Corkery, blew her stack. We know that Corkery’s outburst led the...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • NZ First candidate – homophobic, bennie bashing anti-intellectual clown
    Oh God, apart from Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Curwen Rolinson and Winston before midday, the woeful cavalcade of political circus freaks NZ First seem to attract has picked up another hitchhiker. This time Epsom candidate Cliff Lyon who said this about Labour… “If...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Nicky Hager Public Meeting LIVESTREAM on The Daily Blog 7.30pm Wednesday 27...
    As part of our commitment to the 2014 Election debate, The Daily Blog will Livestream the Nicky Hager public meeting in Auckland, 7.30pm live from the Mt Eden War Memorial this Wednesday on this site. Doors open at 7pm. It...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Opening Night. It’s like an opera!
    On Saturday night just gone, we collectively experienced one of the premier panegyrys of political pageantry in our three yearly electoral cycle. For one glorious weekend evening every three years, it’s not the All Blacks or some Super 14 team, or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, Unions – what ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 25-08
  • Timor-Leste’s Parliament handed ‘humiliating’ defeat over harsh media...
    East Timorese journalists raise their hands to approve the Timor-Leste JournalistCode of Ethics in October 2013. Photo: Tempo Semanal/Cafe Pacific   David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. PACIFIC SCOOP reported this week that East Timor’s Appeal Court had scrapped...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • THIS is why we need a public broadcaster!
    The richest 20% of us in NZ own 70% of the wealth, with 18% in the hands of the second richest quintile, and 10% in the hands of the middle quintile. Just 2 per cent was owned by people in...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • A vote for Key is a vote for this
    A vote for Key is a vote for this...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Why the Secret Intelligence Service feeding Cameron Slater information is s...
    Folks, it doesn’t matter if you are Right or Left, the issue of the Secret Intelligence Service being forced to feed a far right hate speech merchant like Cameron Slater with sensitive information is an ‘us’ issue. The SIS are...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • How lost and irrelevant are ACT?
    So ACT had it’s ‘launch’. Well, what passes as an ACT launch these days. Lot’s of anorak’s with that 1000 yard star and dreams of a Milton Friedman Free Market dancing behind their eyelids all crammed into a room small...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Party rowing advert aimed at Gen Xers
    Unkind wags such as myself would suggest that if the above were a real representation of National, it would look more like this…   National know they have the rural mob and the angry provincial vote locked in, with their...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • National Housing propaganda – McGehan Close Revisited
    .   . Housing has become a major, defining issue in New Zealand. We have critical shortages and escalating prices in  in the main centres and falling house values in the regions. The National government has addressed the supply &...
    The Daily Blog | 24-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • New Zealand Shoppers- Demand Blue Tick Accredited Products
    Following ongoing concerns surrounding the issue of animal welfare in farming, particularly in the layer and broiler chicken sectors, the RNZSPCA is now asking consumers to purchase only eggs, pork, turkey and chicken that have been Accredited by the Blue...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Environment Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Environment Policy which recognises that New Zealand cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy environment....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Candidate calls for an end to institutional racism
    29 AUGUST 2014 Tāmaki Makaurau candidate, Rangi McLean has spoken up in support of Irie Te Wehi-Takerei who was wrongfully accused of shoplifting at a Warehouse store in Manukau. "Over the last month, two different supermarkets have been...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Making tertiary education more accessible to Māori
    29 August 2014 The Māori Party launched its tertiary education policy today at Te Huinga Tauira o Te Mana Ākonga, the national hui for the Māori Teritary Students Association in Palmerston North. Te Tai Hauāuru candidate Chris McKenzie says the...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ Sign Language programmes receives $11 million boost
    Deaf Aotearoa are thrilled with Education minister Hekia Parata’s announcement this week that $11 million in funding will go towards a range of New Zealand Sign Language initiatives, including First Signs – a programme that involves sign language...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Abortion violates the Human Rights of Fathers
    Fathers1Right to Life is concerned at the glaring imbalance that exists in law, in regard to the rights of men to defend the lives of the children they have fathered. Fatherhood commences at conception. Children in the womb, just like...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Hundreds to join march against male violence in Auckland CBD
    Hundreds of supporters are expected to join the 'Take Back the Night' march through central Auckland streets tomorrow night in solidarity with making the streets safe for women and the rainbow community to walk without fear of male violence....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Classic example of need for Conservative policy
    The Conservative Party Justice Spokesman, Garth McVicar believes the sentencing of killer Aaron McDonald is a classic example of why an overhaul of the parole and sentencing system is required.”...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Greens & Labour Politicising Bullying in Schools
    Family First NZ says that both the Greens and Labour are wanting to politicise and sexualise school children under the guise of bullying programmes rather than deal with the school bullying issue as it should be dealt with....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Wellington National Is Not Our Future Rally 30/8/14
    Thousands of people will march and rally at National is not our Future events on Saturday. Auckland is the main rally centre with supportive actions in Wellington, Dunedin, Christchurch and Hamilton. In Wellington, marchers will assemble at Te Papa...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • EPA grants marine consent for OMV exploration well
    The Environmental Protection Authority has granted a marine consent to OMV New Zealand Ltd for its Whio-1 exploration well in the Taranaki Basin....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • First anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria
    Members of the Syrian Community and friends are commemorating the first anniversary of the horrific chemical attacks on Syria, in Aotea Square on Saturday 30 August 2014, between 11-3 pm. The Assad regimes chemical attacks on al Ghouta were responsible...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Anniversary of the NZ Occupation of German Samoa
    Today, 29th August 2014, marks the 100 years centenary of the occupation of Samoa by New Zealand forces at the request of the British empire, ending the German rule of Samoa. It is also the starting point for the special...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Submissions sought on mosquito repellent
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a portable mosquito repellent for use outdoors. The repellent consists of a strip impregnated with metofluthrin, a substance from the pyrethroid family....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Spot the difference – the leaders debate
    I watched the Leaders' debate last night and was struck by the fact that John Key accepted all of David Cunliffe's basic assumptions. For example, he did not say that the government should not tell farmers who they could sell...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Colin Craig’s tax figures do not add up and are dishonest
    “Colin Craig’s tax plan is to have two rates of income tax: 0% up to $20,000 and 25% above that. This will leave a $6.4 billion hole in the budget even before the new spending proposed by the Conservatives. The...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support
    Media Release – For Immediate Release Dirty Politics Impacts National Party Support Support for National has dropped by 4.3% to 50.8%, the latest stuff.co.nz / Ipsos political poll shows....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Labour’s environment policy welcomed
    The independent conservation organisation Forest & Bird says that overall the Labour Party’s newly released environment policy would go a long way towards protecting New Zealand’s natural heritage....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • National: Not our Future Marches across New Zealand
    Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government's track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin to oppose National's...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Tune in to tonight’s debate from 7pm
    The countdown is on! You can watch the first leader’s debate for 2014 tonight, 7pm, on TV One ....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Gamblefree Day 1 September
    It's Gamblefree Day this Monday 1 September, the national awareness day for problem gambling in New Zealand. While traditionally celebrated on the first day of September, many events and activities are held both before and after this day to raise...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Success through captioning should be a given as a Right
    Success through captioning should be a given as a Right per the Convention on the Rights of People with Disabilities...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Alcohol Marketing Committee Questions Government’s Motives
    An Independent Expert Committee on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (IECAAS) has been formed out of concern amongst alcohol and public health researchers about the government’s Ministerial Forum on Alcohol Advertising and Sponsorship (MFAAS)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • How Much Higher Can Auckland Prices Go?
    National's plan to liberalise the use of Kiwisaver funds and its proposal to raise ts cheap "Welcome Home" loan thresholds to help buyers purchase a new home has been welcomed by home building companies but attacked as a "welfare scheme...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • OPC submission period extended
    We have extended the submission period for the modified reassessment of a bee control affecting five organophosphate and carbamate insecticides (APP202142)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Vinay Deobhakta struck off roll of barristers and solicitors
    The New Zealand Lawyers and Conveyancers Disciplinary Tribunal has ordered former Tauranga lawyer Vinay Deobhakta to be struck off the roll of barristers and solicitors....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Major parties to front up for Climate Voter election debate
    New Zealand’s main political parties will take part in ‘The Great Climate Voter Debate’ on September 3....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Family violence… too big to be ignored
    As Annah Stretton gears up for her New Zealand Fashion Week show on Thursday she is utilizing her spotlight to help change the face of family violence in this country saying “the problem is far too big to ignore”....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Candidate’s SOS to northern Maori voters: Save our seats!
    (Extract from address by Rev Te Hira Paenga to Kura Hourua Maori Political Leaders hui, in Whangarei this evening)....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Mary O’Neill to Stand for the Alliance in Napier
    The Alliance Party has confirmed Mary O’Neill as the Alliance candidate in the Napier Electorate for the 2014 election....
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • TONIGHT [28/8/14]: The Great Political Comedy Debate
    It's a night for debating. You could stay home frowning at tonight's Leaders debate, or laugh it up with us at BATS!...
    Scoop politics | 28-08
  • Cunliffe against personal responsibility over billboards
    The accusation by David Cunliffe that the Conservative Party is subscribing to a surveillance society by protecting its billboards via the use of motion sensor cameras reveals an anti-personal responsibility position by the about-to-be-retired Leader...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Groundbreaking health and climate conference
    The World Health Organization (WHO) is holding its first conference on climate change and health at its headquarters in Geneva this week, with New Zealand health experts in attendance....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Te Tai Tokerau Party
    Last night at the Leadership Academy of Company A debate Clinton Dearlove announced the creation of a new political party supported by Whanau and Hapu....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Significant fallout from Dirty Politics allegations
    Dirty politics ... costing National up to 3.8% of its pre-publication support Large numbers of New Zealanders are aware of and talking about the issues raised as a result of the publication of Nicky Hager’s book, Dirty Politics, according to...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Colin Craig is “deluded and dangerous” – Act
    “Colin Craig is proposing a radical transformation of our constitution. The Conservatives are proposing to overthrow of one hundred and fifty odd years of parliamentary democracy and replace it with binding referenda” said ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • WoF law will evict the poor and students from their houses
    The Green warrant of fitness law will evict the poor and students from their houses, if they’re lucky enough to find a place to rent in the first place...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Police response to IPCA report on ‘out of control’ parties
    Police accept today's Independent Police Conduct Authority report recommendations regarding the handling of 'out of control' parties and has already improved its policies and practices for managing these complex and sometimes violent situations....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Review of Police handling of ‘out of control’ parties
    An Independent Police Conduct Authority review has found that Police are working to ensure officers called upon to deal with out of control gatherings in future are better trained to deal with the situations they may face....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Wynyard and NZ Police Announce Ground-breaking Partnership
    Auckland, 28 August 2014 - Wynyard Group, a market leader in advanced crime analytics software and services, today welcomed the New Zealand Police as a long term partner in its Crime Science Research Institute (CSRI)....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Polls confirm dirty politics out and the Conservatives in
    The latest 3News-Reid Research poll has the Conservative Party on 4.6 per cent which means they are virtually on their way to Parliament. Garth McVicar, the Conservative Party candidate for the Napier electorate believes the polls are proof that the...
    Scoop politics | 27-08
  • Toke the Vote 2014: NORML’s guide to NZ cannabis policies
    NORML’s policy, renewed at our recent national conference , is to encourage supporters to vote for parties and candidates who will work to reform our cannabis laws....
    Scoop politics | 27-08
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