TPP circus rolls on

Written By: - Date published: 7:01 am, January 14th, 2016 - 203 comments
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One issue that hasn’t died down over the Christmas break is controversy over the TPP. News that it is to be “signed into existence” in NZ in February was leaked by South American media, denied by the Nats, and then confirmed. The date mentioned in the leaks is 4th February, NZ coverage so far says only “early: February.

The Nats have often said that our Parliament will have to ratify the TPP, but this is not true, it will be done by Cabinet. Another entry to add to Key’s long-list-o-lies. (At The Daily Blog, Frank Macskasy does an excellent job of documenting much of the above, but he appears to be confused though about the difference between signing the document and ratifying it.)

Bryan Gould sums up the extent to which our democracy is being shafted in the service of the TPP:

It is one of the peculiarities of a Westminster-style constitution that the power to conclude international treaties rests exclusively with the executive – in our case, with the Cabinet. The Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) is no exception. While a National Interest Analysis will be prepared by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade, and will most likely be considered by a Select Committee, our elected representatives can – if the government wishes – be totally ignored.

This constitutes not only a potentially damaging side-lining of parliament but also a denial of democracy itself; it continues a process that has been throughout characterised by secrecy and the contemptuous refusal to take any account of public opinion.

Not content with conducting negotiations in secret, and with excluding any consideration of public opinion, the attempt has been made to close down even a scintilla of publicity that might indicate a degree of public concern. Even the public signing of the TPP in New Zealand on 4 February is being so carefully managed that we know about it only because the news was leaked in Chile.

Democracy is necessarily at times a messy and discomfiting business. But when such care is taken to deny it, we should be truly worried.

In other current TPP related news, let’s see…

Right wingers are over-stimulated by the World Bank estimate of a 10 per cent boost to NZ exports by 2030 – this compares to our own MFAT estimate of a 6.8% increase in exports and only a 0.9% increase in GDP over all by 2030. Most other TPP economies benefit even less. As has frequently been pointed out, the TPP is less of a free trade deal than it is a deal for extending the power of (largely American) corporations (I/S at No Right Turn adds another angle, arguing that the TPP is also a power play against China).

More cautious observers have consistently argued that the TPP costs are going to outweigh the benefits. More costs are coming to light all the time, like the estimated $55m cost of new copyright charges (originally from The Herald but seems to have disappeared). Much more worrisome is the prospect of NZ getting sued under Investor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) clauses – this week for example TransCanada went after the US for $15 billion (as a result of Obama’s rejection of the Keystone pipeline).

Not that it will do any good of course, but now days even All Blacks are speaking out against the TPP. Not that it will do any good of course, but here’s another petition – We do not consent to the TPPA.

Happy New Year.

203 comments on “TPP circus rolls on ”

  1. Paul 1

    TPPA Don’t Sign Tour

    International TPPA experts Lori Wallach, from Public Citizen and Professor Jane Kelsey from University of Auckland will talk about the latest research, politics, analysis and actions.

    Auckland
    Auckland Town Hall 7pm Tuesday 26th January

    Wellington
    Wellington St Andrews Church, The Terrace 7pm Wednesday 27th January

    Christchurch
    Christchurch Cardboard Cathedral, 7pm Thursday 28th January

    Dunedin
    Dunedin Friday 29th January, venue and time TBA

    These are free events. Donations to cover costs would be appreciated.

    http://itsourfuture.org.nz/tppa-dont-sign-tour/

  2. millsy 2

    I have been doing some thinking about this, and it seems that it is highly likely that had something like the TPPA had been in force in the 19th Century, The Lincoln administration’s ending of slavery in US states of the south would have left it open to lawsuits under ISDS.

    • Paul 2.1

      William Wilberforce would have had to pay the slave owners of Liverpool for loss of future profits.

    • Kelly-Ned 2.2

      You are absolutely right. Many of the investors in the cotton industry were from the UK and would have been very upset to see their cheap work force set free.

  3. Pat 3

    “Their fears were fed by the secrecy of negotiations between governments, but the full text of the agreement was made public in New Zealand two months ago. Though it runs to 6000 pages, those who have been anxious about it for so long have had summer holidays to study the chapters of most concern to them. The PRECISE TERMS SEEM TO HAVE SURVIVED SCRUTINY SO FAR.”…(my caps)

    who is this delusional clown?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11573339

    • acrophobic 3.1

      The simple truth, Pat, is that the opponents of the TPP have have had 2 months now to provided some hard evidence for their concerns, and they have failed. We have reams of opinion piece and hysteria, but no hard evidence for the dire warnings. This is chicken little rerun.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.1

        Are you still pretending that there can be “hard evidence” of the long term effects of something that hasn’t happened yet?

        You fail at logic as well as honesty.

        • acrophobic 3.1.1.1

          No, it’s quite simple really. There are claims being made that the TPP will cause, for example, the loss of NZ’s sovereignty. That is a particular concern that the actual text should be able to support, if true. So my challenge is simple. Explain, from the actual text, how that is even possible, let alone probable.

          • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.1.1.1

            I already linked you to an RNZ piece that quotes both opponents and proponents as saying it’ll affect sovereignty to a greater or lesser degree.

            You seized upon the proponents’ arguments as proof of your position, despite that one of them has a massive conflict of interest, and that even they acknowledge that there’ll be a “chilling” effect, despite it being negligible in their opinion.

            Does any of this ring any bells? After all it all happened just today.

            The other proponent pointed out that the US government has won every ISDS it’s been involved in. That it had to seek permission from a not-court made of not-lawyers whose decisions are final doesn’t strike you as affecting sovereignty at all, and that says something about you.

            • acrophobic 3.1.1.1.1.1

              The RNZ piece? Come on OAB, on the sovereignty issue you’ve got nothing. And this discussion is about the TPP hysteria generally. You’re still hiding under Kelsey et al and crying the sky is falling. It isn’t.

              Two months. You’ve had two months and still nothing.

              • acrophobic

                Here’s one example.

                Remember the hysteria about how the TPP was going to steal NZ’s sovereignty by undermining the OIA?

                I quote from Annex 9-H, paragraph 4″

                “4. A decision under New Zealand’s Overseas Investment Act 2005 to grant consent, or to decline to grant consent, to an overseas investment transaction that requires prior consent under that Act shall not be subject to the dispute settlement provisions under Section B (Investor-State Dispute Settlement) or Chapter 28 (Dispute Settlement).”

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  No, I don’t remember how it was going to do that. Nor do I remember the “hysteria”. I do remember that you have a conflict of interest about anything where propaganda can make a difference though. It’s “perilously” close to idle speculation, and I simply can’t shake the impression that you are an unproductive member of society, bludging your living in the propaganda business, like that Rylands character.

                  • acrophobic

                    “No, I don’t remember how it was going to do that. Nor do I remember the “hysteria”. ”

                    Here’s an article that touches on it, including Labour’s contorted position(s). http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11526651

                    “I do remember that you have a conflict of interest about anything where propaganda can make a difference though. ”

                    Huh? I am a businessman. I run an international kiwi based group of companies. I am pro-trade, because I believe it is one of the best ways to increase the standard of living for all citizens of the world. I have no ‘conflict of interest’, just strong and informed opinions, and a desire to call out bs.

                    • tracey

                      “I am pro-trade, because I believe it is one of the best ways to increase the standard of living for all citizens of the world. I have no ‘conflict of interest’, just strong and informed opinions, and a desire to call out bs.”

                      Good for you.

                      And Kelsey is an academic charged statutorily with being “critic and conscience” of our society (Education Act) and has chosen Trade Deals and Globalisation as her specialties. She has indeed read the entire agreement, every leak and so forth. She has no conflict of interest, just strong and informed opinions and a desire to call out bs. far from being “paid| as you suggest she has used her own money to fund her travel and other aspects of her fact finding

                    • acrophobic

                      Sorry to burst your bubble Tracey, but Kelsey is what more uncharitable people would call a ‘trougher’. As an example, she received $600,000 from the Marsden Fund to study “Transcending embedded neoliberalism in international economic regulation: options and strategies”. That buys an awful lot of international travel eh?

                      Equally of concern is that her critique of the TPP came before the text was even released, and at times was bordering on hysteria. Her approach has undermined her academic integrity, not enhanced it.

                    • Tracey

                      You are not bursting my bubble, but you are twisting facts. Receiving money for research is not the same as “paid activist”.

                      Well, as someone who runs NZ based businesses and relies to whatever extent on free trade, you have also just “troughed” on the back of millions spent on the TPP from one perspective. But because you like it, you don’t see yourself as a trougher.

                      “paid activist” “hysteria” “trougher” “nonsense”. You are the one attacking the messenger not the message just because you hold a contrary view

                    • acrophobic

                      “Receiving money for research is not the same as “paid activist”.”

                      It’s not research, its propaganda, and it’s a disgrace it’s even available

                      “…you have also just “troughed” on the back of millions spent on the TPP from one perspective.”

                      No. The business I run has little if anything to gain from the TPP.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      I pick you for someone who makes a living coming up with sophisticated arguments in favour of pre-determined outcomes, for right wing political parties. In short, propaganda.

                      I am also pro trade. It is the TPP’s restraint of trade clauses ($55M annual IP costs, for example) that bother me.

                      Oh, and there’s no “hysteria” in your link.

                    • Incognito

                      @ acrophobic at 15 January 2016 at 1:11 pm and 15 January 2016 at 2:06 pm.

                      You do realise that you have discarded one of the most prestigious research funds in NZ, don’t you? Does it mean anything to you that the Marsden Fund is administered by the Royal Society of New Zealand on behalf of the Marsden Fund Council and that it operates under the Terms of Reference issued by the Minister of Science and Innovation? In fact, it is a show pony trotted out each year by Steven Joyce to show how much (extra) money the Government is spending on academic research and excellence in particular.

                      It is probably the most hotly contested research fund in NZ with an overall success rate of only (!) 7.7% in the year that Prof. Kelsey was awarded her grant; in 2015 almost $54 million was awarded to a total of 92 research projects, which puts Prof. Kelsey well and truly in the top of NZ academic researchers. But according to you she is a “trougher”!?

                      There is no way that the Marsden Fund would fund political activists or “propaganda”; the review process is far too rigorous for that to happen. It funds ”excellent fundamental research”. Your assertions are an insult to so many reputable people, institutions, and funding organisations in NZ and an affront to pretty much all academia in NZ – no mean feat, I must admit. Does that bother you?

                      Lastly, most of the $600k of Prof. Kelsey’s Project Grant will be spend on salaries plus overheads and likely only a small portion of the total reviewed and approved research budget will be allocated to international travel.

                    • acrophobic

                      “It is the TPP’s restraint of trade clauses ($55M annual IP costs, for example) that bother me.”

                      People claim the GDP increase is a drop in the bucket at billions. I would suggest your concerns are a drop in the bucket.

                    • acrophobic

                      “You do realise that you have discarded one of the most prestigious research funds in NZ, don’t you? ”

                      I haven’t ‘discarded’ anything. I was responding to the suggestion that Kelsey pays her own way. She doesn’t. She is in receipt of substantial public funds.

                    • Incognito

                      @ acrophobic at 16 January 2016 at 12:09 pm:

                      Yes, you have and either you are delusional or in denial about the implications of what you wrote in those two comments I referred to. You picked one word, and one word only, to rebut my whole comment. Unfortunately, this appears to be one of your modus operandi.

                      I respect your intelligence but I am deeply disappointed in how you apply it here on TS.

                    • McFlock

                      Just FYI, incognito (or anyone else bored with acrophobic’s routine) – if one itemises a list of what leads one to believe that acrophobic has (wilfully or not) misunderstood or ignored something of importance when acro makes their sermons from the mount, acrophobic abandons the thread for an entire day even while making two dozen comments in other threads.

                      Our little acrophobic seems to be a cowardly wee lion, but only if you spell it out in teeny tiny words for them…

                    • Incognito

                      @ McFlock at 16 January 2016 at 10:44 pm:

                      Yes, I had noticed this too. I ‘admire’ his ‘productivity’ here on TS, i.e. his prolific (!) commenting and I have to admit that I found the style & contents almost morbidly fascinating at first but it is rapidly wearing off!

                    • acrophobic

                      “Yes, you have and either you are delusional or in denial about the implications of what you wrote in those two comments I referred to. ”

                      The problem is you did not read the post I was responding to. Now you seek to deflect by saying I’m somehow criticising Marsden. I’m not. I am refuting the claim that Kelsey pays her own way. She doesn’t. She lives off the public teet.

                    • acrophobic

                      “Our little acrophobic seems to be a cowardly wee lion, but only if you spell it out in teeny tiny words for them…”

                      One thing I am not is a coward. I post frequently here, and don’t always see all of the replies. If I has missed responding to you, I will try to correct that, but it would be rare and an oversight.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Acrophobic: Kelsey has been delivering massive value to NZ citizens for years, around the issue of economic sovereignty and democratic independence.

                      Shills for the oligarchy greatly dislike that, of course.

                    • acrophobic

                      “Kelsey has been delivering massive value to NZ citizens for years, around the issue of economic sovereignty and democratic independence.”

                      You’re redefining the word ‘value’ there! All I see is a person on my payroll who opposes globalisation, something that is engaged in by virtually every nation on the planet.

                    • Incognito

                      @ acrophobic at 17 January 2016 at 6:08 pm:

                      I was not “deflecting” anything; I simply picked up on you criticising the Marsden Fund, which indeed you did in your comments at 15 January 2016 at 1:11 pm and 15 January 2016 at 2:06 pm. You see, I even linked to your comments so that we have no confusion about that or about what exactly you wrote 😉

                      In any case, your come-back is a specious one because Prof. Kelsey is funded by the Marsden Fund to undertake her high-quality research, which includes travel (e.g. to overseas conferences and meetings). This is part of her research project so it makes no sense whatsoever to argue that she should pay her own way. Ergo you directly and indirectly criticise her funding and the funding agency.

                    • acrophobic

                      “This is part of her research project so it makes no sense whatsoever to argue that she should pay her own way. Ergo you directly and indirectly criticise her funding and the funding agency.”

                      1. Neither of the posts you cite criticise Marsden.
                      2. My posts on this matter have been to refute Tracey’s comment of 15 January at 2.38 “far from being “paid| as you suggest she has used her own money to fund her travel and other aspects of her fact finding”. Clearly she has used a great deal of taxpayers money.

                      Is that clear enough for you?

                    • Incognito

                      @ acrophobic at 17 January 2016 at 10:05 pm:

                      Very clear, thank you.

                      Ad 1) Yes, they were clearly and unambiguously critical and negative of the funding and funder for stuff that you regarded as “propaganda” and “not research” [your own words]. Please mean what you write and write what you mean, next time.

                      Ad 2) Has it occurred to you that Prof. Kelsey may have used both her own money as well as travel allocations of her awarded research projects?

                    • acrophobic

                      “Ad 1) Yes, they were clearly and unambiguously critical and negative of the funding and funder for stuff that you regarded as “propaganda” and “not research” [your own words]. Please mean what you write and write what you mean, next time.”

                      1. The words you quote were not in one of the posts you cited.
                      2. Where do I apply those words to the Marsden, as opposed to Kelsey’s work?

                      You seem to be unable to conceive of the idea that it is possible to seperate the work from the funder of the work.

                      “Ad 2) Has it occurred to you that Prof. Kelsey may have used both her own money as well as travel allocations of her awarded research projects?”

                      Oh quite possibly, but that’s not what Tracey claimed. “…far from being “paid| as you suggest she has used her own money to fund her travel and other aspects of her fact finding”. Emphasis “Far from being paid…”. Kelsey was most certainly ‘paid’.

                    • Incognito

                      Maybe I overestimated you?? It seems I wasted my time 🙁

                      In your comment dated 15 January 2016 at 2:06 pm you wrote:

                      It’s not research, its propaganda, and it’s a disgrace it’s even available

                    • acrophobic

                      “In your comment dated 15 January 2016 at 2:06 pm you wrote:

                      It’s not research, its propaganda, and it’s a disgrace it’s even available”

                      Yep. That’s referring to Kelsey, not the funder. Anything else?

                • Tracey

                  Perhaps the OIA they meant was the Official Information Act 😉

                • tracey

                  Have you read the entire document? (genuine question)

                  • acrophobic

                    No. I am content with the analysis I read (on both sides) to inform my opinion.

                    [lprent: On this site, it hasn’t been notable to me (and I read most of the site’s comments) that you can read anything except mindless propaganda dribble from National party supporters.

                    Certainly you show no signs to me of having any real idea of the advantages or disadvantages of the TPPA or any other trade deal. Certainly you show no signs of ever having understood the arguments against it. Instead you make foolish unsubstantiated assertions like the one above. I suspect that you are simply too stupid to be able to read and comphrehend the arguments by opponents.

                    But I’d suggest that until you can display actual competence with the arguments, then you refrain from claiming such nonsense. It makes me start to view you as just another simpleminded astroturfing troll. This is your warning, if you want to argue, then do so. If you want to make claims of balance as a position you aspire to, then you’ll have to demonstrate it. Merely claiming it, is just lying. ]

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Bollocks. Your opinion is entirely pre-conceived.

                    • acrophobic

                      lprent…well that’s a bit rich! You have permitted frequent trolling behaviour from a number of posters here as they have posted personal attacks against me. You have also ignored the substantial amount of citations I have referenced to support my position. Show some balance.

          • Murray Simmonds 3.1.1.1.2

            “. . . actual text should be able to support, if true. So my challenge is simple. Explain, from the actual text, how that is even possible, let alone probable.”

            Yeah right acrophobic. like it actually states somewhere in the “agreement” that (something like) “. . . the mutinationals who have pushed most of the agenda for this agreement are out to kill those parts of sovereign state democracy that might conceivably interfere with their freedom to make a buck for their shareholders,, unfettered by any reasonable sovereign state interests or rights that might happen to get in their way . . . (or words to that effect)”.

            For Gawd’s sake, get some imagination, or intelligence, or whatever you are lacking in order to enable yourself to read between the lines before posting your drivel here.

            • acrophobic 3.1.1.1.2.1

              Opponents of the TPPA are making claims. I’m asking you to substantiate them. If you can’t do so from the text, then you are simply scaremongering.

      • Tautoko Mangō Mata 3.1.2

        @veritaphobic acrophobic: re TPP
        It seems that the so-called tobacco carveout from using ISDS only applies to one specific instance of tobacco control measures.

        Vetter Says U.S. ‘Proud’ Of TPP Tobacco Tariff Cuts, Downplays Carveout
        A senior U.S. trade official this week touted the fact that the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) will remove tariffs on U.S. tobacco products in partner countries and downplayed the impact of language carving out tobacco control measures from being challenged under the deal’s investor-state dispute settlement (ISDS) mechanism.
        http://insidetrade.com/

        For Darci Vetter’s actual words, link: http://annualconvention.fb.org/videos/
        Scroll down to
        News Conference, Chief Agricultural Negotiator, USTR, Ambassador Darci Vetter, 2:30 p.m.
        The relevant audio is from 7.30min to 9min
        Plenty of other ways for the baccy companies to sue.

        • acrophobic 3.1.2.1

          Corporations have been suing Governments for years without the benefit of ISDS clauses.

      • adam 3.1.3

        Or, you could do some research yourself. Try nafter for starters. Or spend two minutes looking at Mexico. As this is what happens with these type of agreements.

        • acrophobic 3.1.4.1

          Yep, hysteria. You do know that only part of TransCanada’s action is under NAFTA provisions?

          “TransCanada said it has also filed a lawsuit in the U.S. Federal Court in Texas asserting that President Barack Obama’s decision in November to deny construction of Keystone XL exceeded his power under the U.S. Constitution.”

          http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/01/06/transcanada-nafta-lawsuit-keystone_n_8925014.html

          • Paul 3.1.4.1.1

            I realise that.
            Are you aware that the provisions regarding the investor state clause are remarkably similar in both ‘free trade’ deals?

            • acrophobic 3.1.4.1.1.1

              Are you aware that corporations have been taking action against Governments with and without trade deals?

              • Paul

                You should attend the meetings around the country at the end of the month.
                Lori Wallach is highly informed on the subject.
                You might want to become more informed yourself.

                • acrophobic

                  I doubt I could stomach the lies. Wallach is just another paid activist…just like Kelsey. Good work if you can get it.

                  • Tracey

                    Are you sad that you are not being paid for your propaganda?

                    Read the Education Act, THAT is what is driving Kelsey not activist money.

                    • acrophobic

                      Nonsense. What drives Jane is an irrational hatred of the free market and trade. She is an ideologue, and her premature and flawed analysis of the TPP is the evidence.

                    • Tracey

                      And that is when you break your mask of the non conflicted businessman who just reads the facts and has an opinion and wants to root out bs.

                      You clearly have skin in the game (even if it is ego) and it is seriously clouding your ability to view this and the players rationally. Of course you are entitled to believe it is the best thing since sliced bread, and I sincerely hope you are right. But you have to wait, and so do we all, to find out if you are.

                      And even knowing if you were “right” to believe is vague cos no one has put up a solid criteria/measurement by which we can judge it, so success or failure will be purely a political call.

                      And Prof Kelsey went to Court to get the cost/benefit analysis and measurements of success or failure made public, but this Government staunchly refuses. They have got them, right acrophobic? No Government would sign without such analysis and measuring scales?

      • Neil 3.1.5

        Professor Jane Kelsey & several others have written several papers that are well documented on why the TPPA is no good for NZ, but no doubt in your mind you will claim that what they have written is not true, maybe its time to pull your head out of the sand & wake up to the truth.

        • Paul 3.1.5.1

          He is a troll – probably paid to stir things up here.

          • Tc 3.1.5.1.1

            There are plenty of them here now that the natz have successfully removed campbell, neutered RNZ, screwed freeview (stratos etc) and ensured TVNZ and granny toe their line.

            Shows how much they rate TS as an influencer, they combine the subtle with the overt and take delight in derailing posts….DNFTT

        • acrophobic 3.1.5.2

          Most of Jane Kelsey’s work was before the TPP text was released, at which time her hysteria was exposed. There is also mountains of material that show what a good deal the TPPA will be for NZ.

          • Neil 3.1.5.2.1

            Where is the material that shows what a good thing the TPPA is then? you cant provide it because there isn’t any.
            Some of Professor Jane Kelsey’s work was published before the TPPA text was released but has been proven to be true & you probably cant produce anything to say otherwise because there isn’t anything.
            I reckon acrophobic should change your name to “Lace’s” as you’re that far up Key’s arse, as all one can see is your shoe laces.

            • Scott M 3.1.5.2.1.1

              Acrophobic – one example is foreign investment. The TPPA raises the threshold at which NZ can control investment under the OIA to $200m. This is locked in and would prevent future governments passing more strigent laws even if that is what NZ voters wanted.

              Another – the TPPA prevents the government from restricting foreign investment in certain asset categories, such as housing in Auckland.

              Putting aside what you may or may not think about foreign investment – these measures are a direct limitation on the government and therefore soveriegnty.

              • acrophobic

                Hi Scott

                Any agreement made by a Govt limits it in some way. Any agreement on limiting Co2 emmissions potentially does the same thing. So do UN conventions. I don’t consider those to be limiting our soveriegnty, because just as we signed up voluntarily, we can also leave voluntarily. Indeed that would be Andrew Little’s position if he had an ounce of integrity.

                But I’m interested in your specific examples.

                On the OIA investment control, can you provide a cite please, becasue the text of the TPPA seems to contradict what you claim:

                Annex 9-H, paragraph 4″

                “4. A decision under New Zealand’s Overseas Investment Act 2005 to grant consent, or to decline to grant consent, to an overseas investment transaction that requires prior consent under that Act shall not be subject to the dispute settlement provisions under Section B (Investor-State Dispute Settlement) or Chapter 28 (Dispute Settlement).”

            • acrophobic 3.1.5.2.1.2

              “Where is the material that shows what a good thing the TPPA is then? you cant provide it because there isn’t any.”

              Of course I can, and already have. But if you want it again, here goes:

              http://www.tradeworks.org.nz/free-info/
              https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/
              http://www.nzuscouncil.com/images/uploads/deRaad2.pdf

              “Some of Professor Jane Kelsey’s work was published before the TPPA text was released but has been proven to be true…”
              It’s actually hard to find ANY analysis Kelsey has done since the release of the text, simply because she’s been caught out. Now she’s been relegated to pathetic opinion pieces trying to justify her over reaching. Mind you, taxpayer funded travel is hard to come by these days.

              • Tracey

                Bottom line 3: Corporations cannot sue the government for regulating in the public interest. This is THE most unbelievable and ignores the compelling international evidence and analysis of a crisis in the investor-state dispute settlement system.

                Of course investor-state dispute settlement will be used to sue the government for such measures. That’s what indirect expropriation, minimum standard of treatment, and non-discrimination rules are about.

                The general exception rule (which itself has only succeeded as a defence in 1 of 44 disputes in the WTO) does not apply to the investment chapter. In some cases, the special ‘protections’ for public policy in the chapter are weaker than existing NZ agreements and will become available to other countries with which we have FTAs (such as China, Korea and Taiwan). Even the special tobacco exception from ISDS is an opt-out, making it a prime target for industry lobbying (and doesn’t apply to disputes brought by TPPA states to enforce this and other chapters of the TPPA).

                The real doozy is Article 9.15 on ‘Environmental, Health and other Regulatory Objectives’ – it says nothing in the chapter stops a government from doing what the chapter allows it to do anyway!

                The TPPA text tries to limit the scope of such claims, but the words are vague and investment tribunals have a proved track record of giving them whatever meaning they like, even if they are supposedly bound by the parties’ own interpretation. And that doesn’t stop an investor from threatening to, or bringing, a dispute with the goal of getting government to back off.

                In addition, the investment chapter gives investors from TPPA countries a raft of new rights and protections not available to local firms and not in existing NZ agreements. For example, even if a PPP toll road, a privatised water contract, an agreement that allows oil exploration or a damn project requires a dispute to be settled in New Zealand’s courts, the investor can take it through ISDS instead.

                There are a few procedural changes that try to give the investment tribunals some more credibility. But the ‘judges’ are still largely practising investment lawyers with no conflict of interest rules (just a promise to develop a code of conduct before the agreement comes into force). The hearings are still ad hoc hearings with no predictable rules or precedents and no right of appeal. Amicus briefs require permission. Hearings will be public, but documents can still be withheld as confidential. Punitive damages can’t be awarded, but there is no limit on compound interest (which at times comprises half the amount awarded). And more …
                – See more at: http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/11/07/exclusive-open-letter-from-jane-kelsey-to-labour-party-conference/#sthash.qF84QZvq.dpuf.

                • acrophobic

                  What date did Jane write that? What date was the text of the TPP released?

                  • Tracey

                    Just look at the link acrophobic. Can you post the articles/clauses from the TPP which prove her wrong? I’m surprised you haven’t read it given you have been relying on extensive analysis from “both sides”.

                    • acrophobic

                      Why won’t you answer the question?
                      November 7 2015.
                      November 5 2015.

                      So Jane had the time to analyse the full 6,000 pages in 48 hours?

                    • Tracey

                      I see you didn’t read the link. If you had you would know she made no claim to have read the entire thing in 48 hours. But then, you are shifting goal posts. First claiming nothing from her post release. Now claiming, not enough from her post release and couldn’t have read 6000 pages in 48 hours.

                      Can you post the articles/clauses from the TPP which prove her wrong?

                      “What date did Jane write that? What date was the text of the TPP released?”

                      “Why won’t you answer the question?”

                      The answer was in the link. I am sorry that you were not able to see the date of the article (which was clear when I loaded the page) nor able to find the date the Text as released.

                      Keep digging of rational non ideological one… soon we won’t be able to hear you.

                  • Tracey

                    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/10/tpps-clauses-that-let-australia-be-sued-are-weapons-of-legal-destruction-says-lawyer

                    “Kahale’s criticisms have been echoed by Robert French, the chief justice of Australia’s high court. In a speech last July, he said: “Arbitral tribunals set up under ISDS provisions are not courts, nor are they required to act like courts, yet their decisions may include awards which significantly impact on national economies and on regulatory systems within nation states.”

                    Just more hsyterical nonsense talking paid activists acrophobic?

                    • acrophobic

                      Where does Jane Kelsey feature in that cite?

                    • Tracey

                      Ah so it is just Kelsey who must be dismissed for being against it because she is a hysterical nonsense talking paid activist? You accept the criticisms of those who are not Kelsey/ (as above)

          • Korero Pono 3.1.5.2.2

            Sad Acro, I noticed you have not produced the “mountains of material that show what a good deal the TPPA will be for NZ”. Yet there is plenty of evidence to show that it is not a good deal. For example the GDEA have released a working paper on this very issue. They certainly do not believe it is a good deal:

            “Economic gains will be negligible…less than one percent over ten years for developed countries and less than three percent for developing ones. These projections are similar to previous findings that TPP gains would be small for many countries”.

            “TPP would lead to employment losses in all countries, with a total of 771,000 lost jobs. The United States would be the hardest hit, with a loss of 448,000 jobs. Developing economies participating in the agreement would also suffer employment losses, as higher competitive pressures force them to curtail labor incomes and increase production for export”.

            “TPP would lead to higher inequality, as measured by changes in the labor share of national income. The authors foresee competitive pressures on labor income combining with employment losses to push labor shares lower, redistributing income from labor to capital in all countries. In the United States, this would exacerbate a multi-decade downward trend”.

            “TPP would lead to losses in GDP and employment in non-TPP countries. In large part, the loss in GDP (3.77 percent) and employment (879,000) among non-TPP developed countries would be driven by losses in Europe, while developing country losses in GDP (5.24%) and employment (4.45 million) reflect projected losses in China and India”.

            http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/policy_research/TPP_simulations.html

            http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/16-01Capaldo-IzurietaTPP.pdf

            • acrophobic 3.1.5.2.2.1

              I have provided a number of cites to support the benefits of the TPP to NZ.

              As to the Tufts study, it’s hard to take the material seriously when they are predicting an overall loss of jobs across all participants (a nonsense), and when one of the reasons they give against the TPP is that “TPP would lead to losses in GDP and employment in non-TPP countries.” Surely that’s an argument for joining in?

              • crashcart

                Your arguing that European countries should join the Trans Pacific Partnership?

                I think that sort of shoots a hole in your understanding of the TPP.

                • acrophobic

                  No. Where did I say that? The Tufts article uses disadvantage to non-TPP countries as an argument against the TPP. That sounds like an incentive to join to me.

          • tracey 3.1.5.2.3

            Can you please cite examples of her “hysteria”.

            These mountains of material come from those who have been privvy to the entire process and got quite the jump on Kelsey in terms of selecting aspects to highlight, yes?

            • acrophobic 3.1.5.2.3.1

              The material is produced by people such as http://asiapacifictrade.org/. This is quality research that looks at the benefits of a deal such as the TPP, without the ideological fanfare associated with Kelsey et al.

              • Tracey

                Yea acrophobic, only the left are ideologically driven. No propaganda or hysteria from the right, ever.

          • Tracey 3.1.5.2.4

            Well of course most of her work was pre-release, she has a few years of it. But she has produced post release work. It seems odd that you haven’t read it because you said you have been reading analysis from “both sides”.

            • acrophobic 3.1.5.2.4.1

              I have read it, or at least a great deal of it. It is telling that Kelsey’s analysis has dried up post release. On one hand she bleated about the secrecy, and on the other she moaned about the content. Hilarious. And dishonest.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Bleating and moaning, eh. It sounds personal. People who deal with facts (academics like Kelsey, for example) are inconvenient to the propaganda market?

                • acrophobic

                  How can you argue Kelsey deals in the ‘facts’ when virtually all of her opinion pieces were written pre release of the TPP?

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    Is that what I argued? Nah. My argument is that your pejorative flailing is quite revealing.

                    • acrophobic

                      “People who deal with facts (academics like Kelsey, for example)…”

                      I’m still curious to know why Kelsey has been so quiet.

                      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11574580

                    • Tracey

                      She hasn’t, you keep claiming this, and yet she has put out several analysis (all of which you reject without having read them), including the day after the release of the full text and many thereafter. You masquerade as this person seeking rationality and logic but don’t even read or look for (it’s not hard to find) the very analysis you claim is lacking, and use that fake lack to support your view.

                  • Tracey

                    because she has released post text analysis, which is not going to be numerically as high in number as her releases since 2012 but they exist. You constant desire to attack the messenger (Kelsey) is telling. But then she has studied the 6000 page text while you rely on MFAT releases (see above).

              • Tracey

                It hasn’t dried up post release and you contradict yourself.

                You say you have read her post release work when answering my post bt then lament it has dried up post release. If it has dried up post release, you can’t have read ot, or even “a great deal of it”. If you have read ” a great deal of it” then it hasn’t dried up.

                By all means disagree with her analysis but don’t do a version of Gosman’s “I am the rational person fighting to correct wrong-headedness” when you are being revealed as every bit as biased as you accuse people like Prof Kelsey.

                As you quaintly put it below when I asked you for evidence, I am not going to do all your work for you. Suffice to say there is post text release analysis. Unlike MFAT she hasn’t had years of aspects of the 6000 pages.

      • Pat 3.1.6

        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1601/S00066/the-tpp-why-rush-in-where-angels-fear-to-tread.htm

        and no one with half a brain needs any more analysis of ISDS to know its a bad idea…thats a given and is reason enough its own not to join

        • acrophobic 3.1.6.1

          I’m curious to know if you read the Scoop article. If so, you will see it contains not a shred of evidence, or even sound reasoning, to justify the opposition. It says ““We’re most concerned with the health implications, such as the cost and accessibility of pharmaceuticals…” but what are these implications? No-where does the release even point to other evidence based studies to confirm their concerns.

          This is the problem for the opponents of the TPP. There is much bluster, but no real substance to their opposition. There are hundreds of trade deals operating across the planet. NZ is signatory or in negotiations over dozens of such agreements. We continue to become amore prosperous nation as a result. We have access to the worlds produce and products at competitive prices, and we are able to sell our products on the world stage with reducing barriers. Bring it on.

          • Pat 3.1.6.1.1

            indeed i did read the article and just as you assert that there is no evidence or sound reasoning to justify opposition there is equally no evidence or sound reasoning to support the claims made by the pro camp…..one thing however that cannot be disputed are the increasing actions of corporations since the introduction of ISDS into trade agreements and the impact it has (and is having) had on the ability of governments to frame policy.

            This is not a pro -anti trade argument and anyone who tries to frame so is either disingenuous or stupid.

            It is simply a bad deal.

            • acrophobic 3.1.6.1.1.1

              “…there is equally no evidence or sound reasoning to support the claims made by the pro camp…”

              Actually that’s incorrect. The benefits of the TPP have been quantified in a number of studies, and the benefits of other trade agreements can easily be researched.

              “…the increasing actions of corporations since the introduction of ISDS into trade agreements and the impact it has (and is having) had on the ability of governments to frame policy.”

              Such actions are a part of international trade, with or without trade agreements. ISDS arrangements protect investors from rogue action by signatories to trade agreements, something which is eminently sensible. ISDS have been part of trade agreements since the 1980’s, and the sun still comes up in the morning.

              “It is simply a bad deal.”
              …another unsubstantiated assertion.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                Such actions are a part of international trade, with or without trade agreements. ISDS arrangements protect investors from rogue action by signatories to trade agreements, something which is eminently sensible.

                Why? The government does things that cost me money all the time (increasing ACC levies for political purposes, for example). When do I get to sue? Obviously never, just like the victims of “morbidity with a social gradient” that right wing policies kill.

                Seriously, you’d think someone could bring a class action lawsuit for all the needlessly dead babies since 1984 before some investor has a look in.

                Nah, dead babies don’t buy tables at Cabinet Club, nor can they offer directorships and other bribes. We’ll have to wait for a government that isn’t bought.

                • acrophobic

                  Needless dead babies? Are you referring to the country’s abortion rate?

                  “Why? The government does things that cost me money all the time (increasing ACC levies for political purposes, for example). When do I get to sue? ”

                  When you sign an agreement with the Govt enabling you to.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    No, I’m referring to “morbidity with a social gradient”, which is what your beloved Treasury department says when it means infant mortality and so-forth.

                    Also cf: The Lancet, Baker et al 2012.

              • Pat

                well you have established that you are happy for foreign corporates to write NZ gov policy (and by extension law) by de facto.

                and for this what do we get? an estimated gross increase in GDP of 0.9% by 2030…gross, not net ….and 0.9% is margin of error or currency fluctuation territory.

                “We are confident that the CGE modelling reported on here is of the highest standard possible. This modelling does not, however, capture the full potential economic consequences of TPP – for example, the impact of increasing copyright term from 50 to 70 years in New Zealand. These other impacts have been addressed separately (see http://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz for example).”

                Yep no doubt about it, you’re as sharp as a tack….you can negotiate my deals for me anytime……on the other side.

                • acrophobic

                  “well you have established that you are happy for foreign corporates to write NZ gov policy (and by extension law) by de facto.”

                  No, and this won’t ever happen. NZ can voluntarily leave the TPP, you do know that don’t you?

                  “an estimated gross increase in GDP of 0.9% by 2030…gross, not net ….and 0.9% is margin of error or currency fluctuation territory.”

                  You do realise that is a ‘minimum’, and represents almost 3bn per annum? Yes I know it sounds less when you say ‘0.9%’, but what could 3bn buy? A 20% increase in the Health or Education budgets as an example.

                  • Pat

                    “No, and this won’t ever happen. NZ can voluntarily leave the TPP, you do know that don’t you?”

                    If you think our best defense is to leave , why join?

                    “You do realise that is a ‘minimum’, and represents almost 3bn per annum? Yes I know it sounds less when you say ‘0.9%’, but what could 3bn buy? A 20% increase in the Health or Education budgets as an example.”

                    well I guess an estimated 2.7 billion (by 2030) could be called almost 3 billion…
                    and doesn’t include increased costs incurred by membership.

                    but you missed your best chance…

                    • acrophobic

                      “If you think our best defense is to leave , why join?”

                      Because I highly doubt we’ll even need any such defence.

                      “well I guess an estimated 2.7 billion (by 2030) could be called almost 3 billion…and doesn’t include increased costs incurred by membership.”

                      …which are not substantial.

                      And a more recent estimate says 2%, which would be how much? Hitting 6bn??http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/69913667/tpp-will-add-two-per-cent-to-nz-economy–us-economist

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Fuck off acrophobic.

                      Giving up our sovereignty and democratic independence isn’t worth the shonky promise of beads and whisky your kind are offering.

                    • acrophobic

                      “Giving up our sovereignty and democratic independence isn’t worth the shonky promise of beads and whisky your kind are offering.”

                      We’re not giving up our sovereignty. We’re not giving up our democratic independence. The benefits of the TPP are significant. Haven’t you been reading?

                  • Pat

                    “His economic modelling, which has been criticised for including only the benefits and not also the costs of a potential TPP deal, estimates New Zealand could enjoy a 2% economic boost from increased investment and market access. About a quarter of that would come in agriculture.”

                    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/tpp-too-big-fail-says-visiting-us-trade-deal-specialist-petri-b-175060

                    and hardly an impartial source

                    • Pat

                      beads and whisky may end up a better deal, provided the whisky is a single malt and the beads of a suitable size.

          • Tracey 3.1.6.1.2

            Could you post 10 evidence based studies relied upon by the Government when signing the TPP to back up their claim it will be of benefit to NZ. Given the Government is going so far as to disobey the Courts to avoid releasing such documents, where do you get your evidence from?

            “The benefits of the TPP have been quantified in a number of studies”

            Please list them all with clear citations of who funded the studies included. Please also asterix which ones were relied upon by the NZ Government to decide to sign this TPP

            • acrophobic 3.1.6.1.2.1

              “…where do you get your evidence from?”

              “Please list them all with clear citations of who funded the studies included. ”

              No, I’m not doing your work for you, Tracey. But I’ll point you in the right direction. http://asiapacifictrade.org/ contains a number of studies on the TPP, including the original ‘Petri’ study, which is a highly regarded study on the impacts of the TPP.

              • One Anonymous Bloke

                highly regarded according to whom? I mean, seriously: the man’s an economist for fucks’ sake: one of the most political “academic” disciplines in town.

                The whole field is still at the level of competing opinions.

                I note the twisted hypocrisy of bagging Kelsey for being an academic and lauding Petri for exactly the same activity. When are you going to stop flashing your bias around?

                • acrophobic

                  “I mean, seriously: the man’s an economist for fucks’ sake: one of the most political “academic” disciplines in town.”

                  OH MY GOODNESS!!! You mean an economist, commenting on a trade deal! How dare they!!

                  “I note the twisted hypocrisy of bagging Kelsey for being an academic and lauding Petri for exactly the same activity.”

                  I don;t bag Kelsey for being an academic. I bag her for being wrong.

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    More English comprehension lessons?

                    I didn’t say he’s wrong to comment, I’m saying his opinion is an opinion. You only give his more weight because you happen to agree with it.

                    • acrophobic

                      No, you said his was “one of the most political “academic” disciplines in town.” And I give the work on asiapacifictrade more weight because it is more robust. It deals in research and, not hyperbole.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      No, you tiresome sponge, I know what point I’m trying to make, and it is that economics is still at the level of competing opinions.

                      This, by the way, in response to yet another example of your flailing toothless hyperbole – “OH MY GOODNESS!!! You mean an economist, commenting on a trade deal! How dare they!!”

                      McFlock skewered you nicely when they pointed out that your rhetoric is peppered with these distortions, which you clutch at, I guess to delude yourself of victory.

                      Back to economics. Being opinion based, treating its predictions as though they were facts is unwise.

                    • Scott M []

                      +100

              • Korero Pono

                LOL – highly regarded it may be for those who choose to believe the highly flawed analysis produced aka those who do not want the truth about the TPP told. Acro you are really defensive about the TPP, why?

                http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/16-01Capaldo-IzurietaTPP.pdf – discusses how and why the Petri analysis is flawed.

                • acrophobic

                  “Acro you are really defensive about the TPP, why?”

                  Defensive? Huh? I’m here defending the TPP, yes. Isn’t that obvious?

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    😆

                    …like Don Quixote defended Dulcinea del Toboso.

                  • Korero Pono

                    It was a question of you defending it, it was more a ‘why’ question (again only reading what you want to read). You ignore the substantive issue that Petri study is flawed but go on clinging to it anyway.

                    • acrophobic

                      The Petri study is not flawed. There has been criticism (e.g. from the Sustainability Council), which is entirely healthy, but no critique that undermines it. It remains definitive.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      A definitive opinion 🙄

                    • acrophobic

                      “A definitive opinion ”

                      I believe it was you (??) who commented that at the moment this is all opinion, and to some extent I agree with that. But some opinion is based on sound research. Then some is based on an ideological hatred of market economics.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      …and some (like you) are pretending (for ideological motives) that all the opposition is ideological, despite the issues raised by KP below.

                    • Macro

                      The IMF recognizes that their projections for countries economic growth may be inaccurate by as much as 0.4% per annum for a variety of reasons. The projected increase of 2.2% by 2025 lies well within this error range. In other words, the projections are merely crap.
                      Economists have NFI actually as to what may be the outcome of certain Trade Deals – their projections are about as reliant, as a piece of wet sea weed was for weather forecasting.

                  • Korero Pono

                    Yes, the Petri study is flawed:

                    “Petri, Plummer and Zhai (2012) is based on the GTAP model,
                    a standard CGE model that has been used for decades to project the effects of trade liberalization. Although the study provides a lot of interesting detail on many sectors of the economies involved in the TPP, it faces two critical limitations.

                    First, the CGE model used excludes, by assumption, TPP effects on employment and income distribution, thereby ruling out the major risks of trade liberalization. Negative outcomes after several trade liberalization experiences in the 1990s have been associated precisely with failure to appreciate these risks.

                    Secondly, the projections are based on data available in 2007, prior to the financial and economic crisis that began in 2008. The crisis showed that some long standing patterns of the world economy – – including the persistence of trade deficits in the United States and of trade surpluses in East Asia – – were unsustainable. Projections based on pre-crisis data miss this critical, more recent information”.

                    http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/wp/16-01Capaldo-IzurietaTPP.pdf

                    Seems like a flawed analysis to me. Of course the WP does go on to show the how and why of the flaws in the Petri study.

                  • Korero Pono

                    You haven’t really read the Tuft WP, have you? You just read the little bit I quoted and went from there…of course you have also disregarded other factors highlighted in the Tuft paper, but I would expect that to be so when it does not fit with your ideological preferences.

                    You might need to read this again:

                    “Secondly, the projections are based on data available in 2007, prior to the financial and economic crisis that began in 2008. The crisis showed that some long standing patterns of the world economy – – including the persistence of trade deficits in the United States and of trade surpluses in East Asia – – were unsustainable. Projections based on pre-crisis data miss this critical, more recent information”.

                    I wonder what the authors mean when they say “The crisis showed that some long standing patterns of the world economy – – including the persistence of trade deficits in the United States and of trade surpluses in East Asia – – were unsustainable” and I wonder how that may impact on an analysis that relies on the 2007 data? Could it be that the Petri analysis missed something vital?

                    • acrophobic

                      “Could it be that the Petri analysis missed something vital?”

                      Possibly. The study was, after all, conducted before the agreement was finalised. As, by the way, was much of the criticism. But whatever was missed seems not to affected the conclusions of the authors. The consensus seems to be that the Petri study remains unscathed. That is borne out by the fact that it is still be cited as one of the definitive studies on the TPP and it’s benefits.

                      “Many citizens and politicians made up their minds about TPP long ago, based on seemingly devastating critiques of what might emerge from the negotiations. They should now look at the outcome with an open mind. They just might find that their worst night-time fears have vanished by the light of day.”

                      http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/oct/11/why-support-tpp-critics-read-agreement-keep-open-mind

              • Sacha

                please ponder the difference between ‘predictions’ and ‘impacts’.

  4. JP up North 4

    Total whitewash by the NZ media in keeping this govt honest and the public up to date with the tsunami the TPPA is proving to be.

    No right turn http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/01/no-benefit-from-tppa.html mentions a process where trade with other nations outside the agreement will incur costs/loss of privileges of the party concerned.

    Quote
    [The TPPA] opens up trade between members but makes trade more difficult with non-members through a process known as “cumulative rules of origin” where members lose privileges if they source inputs from countries outside the TPP.

    So what does this mean for NZ if our main trading partner, China is outside the agreement and is the target for US financial/trade constraint that the TPPA is designed to bring about?

  5. Sacha 5

    “Frank Macskasy does an excellent job of documenting much of the above, but he appears to be confused though about the difference between signing the document and ratifying it.”

    I reckon he has inadvertently discovered that Key’s quotes deliberately conflated the agreement with the enabling NZ legislative changes. Only the latter face any parliamentary scrutiny.

  6. vto 6

    If business gets to sue government for lost profit when laws change which detrimentally affect that business…

    Then do government get to sue business for increased profit when laws change which beneficially affect that business…?

    Eh?

  7. Manuka AOR 7

    Environmental Nightmares of the future:

    “The TPP and other global trade pacts take away the power of governments to protect the environment.”

    “Here’s one example: In 2009, the Canadian-based Pacific Rim mining company (now owned by Australian-based OceanaGold) sued El Salvador for refusing to allow the company to mine for gold. El Salvador had banned the project due to widespread water contamination. The lawsuit demands $300 million from the small, impoverished country. Even if El Salvador prevails, it will be out millions of dollars in legal costs, according to Pérez-Rocha. “
    http://www.alternet.org/environment/look-future-how-tpp-could-create-environmental-nightmares

  8. Paul 8

    BREAKING: TPPA Don’t Sign campaign January 26th Auckland Town Hall

    Despite its ‘neither confirm nor deny’ the government will host the signing of the TPPA on 4 Feb. The Herald this morning ran the absurd banner for its editorial: ‘TPP signing an honour, let’s respect it’.
    Well, let’s not!!!!
    If you live near or in Auckland – or are pissed off enough to travel a bit – the TPPA Don’t Sign campaign will kick off with a public meeting at the Auckland Town Hall on Tuesday 26 January at 7pm.

    The star of the show will be Lori Wallach, the Director of Public Citizen Global Trade Watch, who knows more about what’s happening in Washington on the TPPA than Obama does! Professor Jane Kelsey will also talk about implications for New Zealand, drawing on the expert papers progressively being posted here.
    Then we have a political panel of parties who have been critical of the agreement, albeit to varying degrees. So far Andrew Little (Labour) and Metiria Turie (Greens) have said yes, and New Zealand First and Maori Party are working on schedules. Offers will also be made to the Government. The meeting will be live streamed on TDB.

    Finally, there will be some suggestions of what YOU can do.
    Please bring your cash and eftpos cards too – this is not a cheap exercise!

    The Auckland meeting is followed by meetings in Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin
    27 January, Wellington, St Andrews on the Terrace, 7pm
    28 January, Christchurch, Cardboard Cathedral, 7pm
    29 January, Dunedin, Burns Hall (Moray Place), 7pm

    There’s also a Don’t Sign petition launched by ActionStation, Itsourfuture and ShoutOut.
    A givealittle page has also been set up to help fund the next part of the campaign.
    Barry Coates, who has taken over from Ed Miller at the national spokesperson for the itsourfuture coalition will post more shortly.

    http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/01/14/breaking-tppa-dont-sign-campaign-january-26th-auckland-town-hall/

  9. katipo 9

    from Obamas ‘State of the Union Address’ yesterday…

    “With TPP, China does not set the rules in that region; we do. You want to show our strength in this new century? Approve this agreement. Give us the tools to enforce it. It’s the right thing to do. “

  10. fisiani 10

    So the Luddites will moan and claim that the sky is falling whilst all the objective evidence points to major gains for New Zealanders and that the sky is not falling. Enjoy your various evenings of self righteous indignation and chant your slogans from a 3 kilometre distance in February. No matter. You will still gain the benefits of the TPPA. The public cannot abide scaremongering when no awfulness results. You cannot keep crying Wolf every time you see a Dog. Who will be talking about the TPPA in Sept 2017? The public?????

    • Paul 10.1

      yawn
      Remember people, fisiani wants you to burn a lot of energy reacting to his comments.

    • Stuart Munro 10.2

      There is no objective evidence for or against Fisi – because our treacherous lying government is too ashamed to put the specifics of the TPPA out in public.

      But we are taking names – so that justice can be done to the traitors who sell out New Zealand.

    • Scott M 10.3

      So I take it in your world the sole purpose of life is economic growth? What a moron.

      • Grantoc 10.3.1

        Well economic growth produces wealth. That wealth can be then be used to, amongst other things, alleviate poverty.

        Allieviating poverty is a cause celebrate for the left, isn’t it?

        Isn’t it either contradictory or even hypocritical to on the one hand advocate closing the poverty gap, while on the other hand denying the poor in our society to access to the economic benefits that a trade agreement such as the TTP will enable?

        Its worth noting that the World Bank has released a report in the last few days indicating that NZ will gain significant economic benefits from the TTP.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 10.3.1.1

          Lab5 reduced unemployment to (from memory) ~2.6% in 2007, without either the TPPA or the Chinafta. The value of wages increased too, especially for women.

          Why did you even attempt such a flaccid attack? Are you inadequate a lot?

        • Colonial Viper 10.3.1.2

          Well economic growth produces wealth.

          Meh, most of the “growth”of the last 10 years has been either uneconomic growth, or illusory gamed debt generated growth.

        • Tracey 10.3.1.3

          It is because Growth is not the panacea that many have to say “even if we have poor people, they are not as badly off as India’s poor”.

          NZ growth has been pretty good over the last 30 to 40 years and yet people still have to sue our government for equal pay, money to care for people over night and so on.

          there is more than one way to do things and to rely on something that has not resolved a particular issue after 40 years is not just lazy but downright backward.

        • Macro 10.3.1.4

          Its worth noting that the World Bank has released a report in the last few days indicating that NZ will gain significant economic benefits from the TTP.

          🙄
          You are Joking ?
          The projected 3% growth of GDP by 2030 – that’s 14 years away moron – represents an actual annual growth rate of around 0.2%!
          This is significant?
          And that excludes the costs of, loss of sovereignty, increased pharmaceutical costs (yes they will increase), increased pollution from increased dairying, to say nothing of the costs of ISDS disputes.

    • The Other Mike 10.4

      ” major gains for New Zealanders”

      LOL Fisi did not even read the OP.

      As usual.

    • left for deadshark 10.5

      You cannot keep crying Wolf every time you see a Dog.

      That, fisiani is the truth. TPPA is a dog. not my boarder collie of coarse, she is beautiful creature, or for that matter, most other peoples pet(s).

      As you are aware, this government wont even tell the populace when they intent too sign.
      This current Prime Minister, isn’t worth your time of day.

  11. Rosemary McDonald 11

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11573810

    Scary shit from Brian Gould….Gov Gen being treated like mushroom by former PM lackey.

    RIP democracy.

    • Paul 11.1

      This article by Brian Gould is a worth a post in its own right.

      Highlights…

      ‘Yet it is clear that the TPP is not just a run-of-the-mill trade agreement but a major concession of the powers of self-government to large, international (mainly US) corporations. The treaty provides those corporations with the power to over-ride elected governments and to re-write the laws of this country in their own interests.
      There can be no set of issues that should more importantly require the consent of parliament and people.’

      ‘As Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize-winning economist, pointed out in these pages, the TPP is just about the worst “trade agreement” that can be imagined.’

      ‘Not content with conducting negotiations in secret, and with excluding any consideration of public opinion, the attempt has been made to close down even a scintilla of publicity that might indicate a degree of public concern. Even the public signing of the TPP in New Zealand on February 4 is being so carefully managed that we know about it only because the news was leaked in Chile.

      Democracy is necessarily at times a messy and discomfiting business. But when such care is taken to deny it, we should be truly worried.’

      • Rosemary McDonald 11.1.1

        Don’t you just love counter narrative?

        Real question…had BG got this on the ‘spike’ in anticipation of the editorial by A Nonny Mouse?

        He was pretty quick off the mark….

        Good work, Brian Gould.

      • savenz 11.1.2

        @ Paul +1

      • Tracey 11.1.3

        Joseph is probably just a hysterical nonsense spouting paid activist, right acrophobic

    • Neil 11.2

      Yes it is a brilliant assessment by Bryan Gould, to me it looks like its the thin edge of the wedge being driven in on the way to a dictatorship.

      • Scott M 11.2.1

        Why doesnt Bryan Gould stand for Parliament? He always makes a lot of sense.

      • tc 11.2.2

        It is the wedge in its entirety being stuffed down ours and future gobs to further entrench the real power holders on the planet under the current system.

        corporations fronting uber wealthy individuals conducting their global business via politicians they own.

        • ropata 11.2.2.2

          The uber wealthy generally accumulate their pile by:
          – ruthless exploitation of labor by paying impoverishing wages
          – committing massive amounts of fraud

          The rare few who came by their wealth “honestly” always benefited from wealthy parents, good connections, and extreme luck by being in the right place at the right time, and having been blessed with innate ability.

          Then they come on TV and tell everyone they got their wealth by grit and hard work and anyone can do it too, if they really try!!!

  12. Manuka AOR 12

    This from Jane Kelsey today, – Like Gould, she refers to Stiglitz:
    “Nobel laureate Joseph Stiglitz lamented in the Guardian last week how the US had “concluded secret negotiations on what may turn out to be the worst trade agreement in decades”, and suggested that “in 2016, we should hope for the TPP’s defeat and the beginning of a new era of trade agreements that don’t reward the powerful and punish the weak”.

    Also this: “TransCanada is now claiming US$15 billion compensation for lost investment and future profits under the investment chapter of the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

    “This latest investor-state case comes on top of Nafta challenges by US corporates against a Canadian court’s decision to refuse a medicine patent, Quebec’s moratorium on fracking, and an environmental panel’s rejection of a quarry permit in response to community concerns, among others. ” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11573385

    (The comments at the link are worth a look too)

  13. Tautoko Mangō Mata 14

    TPP “The Deeper, Uglier Side of TPP”
    ISDS – more fishhooks

    ST. LOUIS: And what that means is that a government has to provide the same treatment to an investor from, from a TPP country as they provide to any other country in any other treaty that they have. And so through that mechanism it’s actually possible for investors to sue through one treaty, but say we actually want the protections that were included in a third treaty that we’re not even, that our government isn’t even a part of.
    HEDGES: The 12 member countries of the Trans-Pacific Partnership already have a total of 35 investment treaties between themselves. But if the TPP goes through, that number could close to double the number of options multinationals have to sue foreign governments.

    ST. LOUIS: Because just the mere threat of these types of cases can for, especially for a small country, can mean millions of dollars just in legal fees, and so it will make them think twice about enacting a policy that a corporation doesn’t like.

    http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=15454

    • Tautoko Mangō Mata 14.1

      ISDS and the use of Forum shopping to enable corporations to sue states.
      The TPP will greatly increase the opportunities for this type of action.

      (a) situations in which multinationals brought an ISDS claim from a jurisdiction within their network of corporate nationalities that was not their historical base of operations and
      (b) situations in which a super wealthy individual acquired the nationality of the opposite state by incorporating in that state.

      As will be seen, the clearest finding on forum-shopping that is directly relevant to financial transfers involves U.S. large or extra-large parent companies or U.S. super wealthy individuals that benefited from ISDS claims made by corporate claimants in the Netherlands.

      Link to academic paper

      • Tracey 14.1.1

        Thanks as always TMM.

      • RedBaronCV 14.1.2

        Which is a good reason for unions and beneficiary groups to incorporate overseas with each union member holding a .01 cent share. Then when the labour laws are changed to remove say sick leave or WFF is changed then they sue the government. Ditto benefits.

        Should have the entire economic system in lawsuit gridlock within a very short space of time.

  14. fisiani 15

    I find it amazing to read through all the comments and find only speculations and old allegations from before the deal was concluded that the TPPA will be disastrous for NZ. Not a single scrap of evidence. Does anyone really think that our excellent trade negotiators were incompetent? When the US complains that the NZ and Australian negotiators were too good do you not believe them? Is it as good as we hoped for? Of course not. Is is it as bad as we fear? Certainly not. Will it ever be fully ratified? Who knows. Will other countries want to join? Of course.
    We are a small trading nation in the South Pacific. We need to trade with the rest of the world. The TPPA covers 40% of the World’s GDP. We need to be a part of that. Or we can be an isolationist country like Albania or North Korea. I for one want our nation to continue to do well and prosper. We are making progress on multiple fronts and need to be able to respond to external events beyond our control. I appreciate that if you listen to people who have constantly been shown to be wrong you will reach an erroneous conclusion. Go along and fill your boots listening to the Apocalyptic Wallach and Kelsey. They will confirm your own bias. I wonder when you will realise that they are wrong?

    • Tracey 15.1

      How will we know we are wrong? Please post the criteria and measurements our Government relied upon before entering the TPP and will use post signing, so we can all see how we will know if it was a “success” and for who.

      We may all be in PlLato’s Cave, including you.

    • Tracey 15.2

      Please post the criteria and measurements our Government relied upon before entering the TPP and will use post signing, so we can all see how we will know if it was a “success” and for who.

  15. mike 16

    OMG, you`re saying Kelsey is an activist, that`s like saying John Key actually cares about the people of New Zealand, Kelsey is the professor of law at Auckland University, I would sooner believe her than the tripe that I`m reading here from you Neo Liberal Right wing Trolls, Tell me what qualifications do you trolls have? So you`ve read a 6000 page document and you`re still of the opinion that it`s going to be good for the people of New Zealand, if it is so good, why then has the document only been released, why was it drafted in secrecy over a period of 2 or more years. Why are we the voters not allowed to have a say in the decision of such a “ground breaking” treaty, Would you sign up for a mortgage with your bank if they turned around to you and said, “look we can`t show you the mortgage contract, but trust us it`s going to be good for you?” But hey we`re allowed to vote for a change in the flag, hey we`re allowed to vote to not sell our assets, but this government didn`t listen to the people then either, even though the vote to sell assets was a resounding NO, That twit Grosser even admitted on National TV that there were clauses in the treaty that he thought weren`t as good as he expected. John Key and his cronies have added 120 billion dollars plus to our deficit since they`ve been in power, but hey that`s good business for Donkey, because he has shares in the bank we owe that money to. Oh that`s right our economy is in surplus isn`t it? NOT.

  16. Sacha 17

    “No evidence” is clearly the prepared line this time. Good little pups spreading it about. #arf

    • Tracey 17.1

      no evidence that it is bad and Kelsey and Wallach are hysterical paid activists.

      It’s like being asked to prove God doesn’t exist. the resolution is actually simple. All the supporters of it being a great deal have to do is post the cost/benefit anaylsis prepared for/by the government and the measurement process for post TPP to determine its success. They have got those documents, right?

  17. Doug 19

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11574580

    If the Trans-Pacific Partnership can be signed here with due ceremony Helen Clark deserves a place of honour. So does Phil Goff, trade minister when a comprehensive agreement embracing the United States and the rest of the Pacific rim was just a gleam in the eye of New Zealand, Singapore, Chile and Brunei.

  18. Scott M 20

    So in effect, John Roughan hasnt read anything on the agreement, but he’s still sure its a great deal. That’s because “Obama wants to do it”. THIS is the standard of journalism in this country. Appalling!

    • acrophobic 20.1

      No, Scott, that’s not what John Roughan said at all. As you appear not to have read the piece, here is an extract. Read the last line with particular care; Roughan absolutely nails it:

      “…professional bodies in this country ought to acknowledge it is not the spectre they had been given to expect. Pharmac is going to be okay. The US has not got its way on pharmaceutical protection periods. Our IT innovation appears to be under no more pressure from US patent law than it was before.

      Their only remaining concern may be investors’ rights to sue for compensation in independent international tribunals if a government’s action unreasonably reduces the value of an investment. But that is not new, disputes tribunals were part of post-war international trade rules, and the principle is perfectly reasonable.

      It is unlikely any government New Zealanders would elect, whether led by National or Labour, would need to be taken to a tribunal. They would expect to compensate an investor for a policy change the investor could not reasonably have foreseen. I don’t know what kind of government protesters have in mind when they call the TPP’s dispute provisions a threat to “democracy”. Or maybe I do.”

      • Tracey 20.1.1

        Please post the criteria and measurements our Government relied upon before entering the TPP and will use post signing, so we can all see how we will know if it was a “success” and for who.

        • Paul 20.1.1.1

          You are wasting your time engaging with acrophobic.

          • Tracey 20.1.1.1.1

            I am not engaging with acrophobic I am dismantling the memes being perpetuated in case impartials or open minded folks drop by.

            For example

            Jane Kelsey must be dismissed as lacking credibility cos she has never supported a FTA

            BUT

            Wayne Mapp is credible despite never opposing a single FTA

            It’s nonsense, on both counts.

            • weka 20.1.1.1.1.1

              Good point. Kelsey is too an easy target as a looney leftie. Not only is the argument nonsense, it’s lazy.

      • weka 20.1.2

        “Our IT innovation appears to be under no more pressure from US patent law than it was before.”

        Right wing, pro-TPP journalist who is not an IT expert and who uses the word ‘appears’ in his article, vs actual IT experts who are also political commentators. I know which I’ll trust thanks.

  19. Tautoko Mangō Mata 22

    “Read the TPP” with annotations/

    3. The Parties further recognise that it is inappropriate to establish or use their environmental laws or other measures in a manner which would constitute a disguised restriction on trade or investment between the Parties.
    5030b7b8a83864e7574ac32b541bb3e7 JeffLyon
    2d
    TPP prohibits environmental laws that create a “restriction on trade.”

    UpvoteDownvote

    http://dusk.ga/u9OH#https://www.readthetpp.com/

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    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    2 days ago
  • Bernard's pick 'n' mix of the news links at 6:06 am
    The top six news links I’ve seen elsewhere in the last 24 hours as of 6:06 am on Wednesday, April 17 are:Must read: Secrecy shrouds which projects might be fast-tracked RNZ Farah HancockScoop: Revealed: Luxon has seven staffers working on social media content - partly paid for by taxpayer Newshub ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Fighting poverty on the holiday highway
    Turning what Labour called the “holiday highway” into a four-lane expressway from Auckland to Whangarei could bring at least an economic benefit of nearly two billion a year for Northland each year. And it could help bring an end to poverty in one of New Zealand’s most deprived regions. The ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago
  • Bernard's six-stack of substacks at 6:26 pm
    Tonight’s six-stack includes: launching his substack with a bunch of his previous documentaries, including this 1992 interview with Dame Whina Cooper. and here crew give climate activists plenty to do, including this call to submit against the Fast Track Approvals bill. writes brilliantly here on his substack ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • At a glance – Is the science settled?
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    3 days ago
  • Apposite Quotations.
    How Long Is Long Enough? Gaza under Israeli bombardment, July 2014. This posting is exclusive to Bowalley Road. ...
    3 days ago
  • What’s a life worth now?
    You're in the mall when you hear it: some kind of popping sound in the distance, kids with fireworks, maybe. But then a moment of eerie stillness is followed by more of the fireworks sound and there’s also screaming and shrieking and now here come people running for their lives.Does ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago
  • Howling at the Moon
    Karl du Fresne writes –  There’s a crisis in the news media and the media are blaming it on everyone except themselves. Culpability is being deflected elsewhere – mainly to the hapless Minister of Communications, Melissa Lee, and the big social media platforms that are accused of hoovering ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • Newshub is Dead.
    I don’t normally send out two newsletters in a day but I figured I’d say something about… the news. If two newsletters is a bit much then maybe just skip one, I don’t want to overload people. Alternatively if you’d be interested in sometimes receiving multiple, smaller updates from me, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • Seymour is chuffed about cutting early-learning red tape – but we hear, too, that Jones has loose...
    Buzz from the Beehive David Seymour and Winston Peters today signalled that at least two ministers of the Crown might be in Wellington today. Seymour (as Associate Minister of Education) announced the removal of more red tape, this time to make it easier for new early learning services to be ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    3 days ago
  • Bryce Edwards: Will politicians let democracy die in the darkness?
    Politicians across the political spectrum are implicated in the New Zealand media’s failing health. Either through neglect or incompetent interventions, successive governments have failed to regulate, foster, and allow a healthy Fourth Estate that can adequately hold politicians and the powerful to account. Our political system is suffering from the ...
    Democracy ProjectBy bryce.edwards
    3 days ago
  • Was Hawkesby entirely wrong?
    David Farrar  writes –  The Broadcasting Standards Authority ruled: Comments by radio host Kate Hawkesby suggesting Māori and Pacific patients were being prioritised for surgery due to their ethnicity were misleading and discriminatory, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. It is a fact such patients are prioritised. ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • PRC shadow looms as the Solomons head for election
    PRC and its proxies in Solomons have been preparing for these elections for a long time. A lot of money, effort and intelligence have gone into ensuring an outcome that won’t compromise Beijing’s plans. Cleo Paskall writes – On April 17th the Solomon Islands, a country of ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: Criminal ecocide
    We are in the middle of a climate crisis. Last year was (again) the hottest year on record. NOAA has just announced another global coral bleaching event. Floods are threatening UK food security. So naturally, Shane Jones wants to make it easier to mine coal: Resources Minister Shane Jones ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Is saving one minute of a politician's time worth nearly $1 billion?
    Is speeding up the trip to and from Wellington airport by 12 minutes worth spending up more than $10 billion? Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me in the last day to 8:26 am today are:The Lead: Transport Minister Simeon Brown announced ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Long Tunnel or Long Con?
    Yesterday it was revealed that Transport Minister had asked Waka Kotahi to look at the options for a long tunnel through Wellington. State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the ...
    3 days ago
  • Smoke And Mirrors.
    You're a fraud, and you know itBut it's too good to throw it all awayAnyone would do the sameYou've got 'em goingAnd you're careful not to show itSometimes you even fool yourself a bitIt's like magicBut it's always been a smoke and mirrors gameAnyone would do the sameForty six billion ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • What is Mexico doing about climate change?
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections The June general election in Mexico could mark a turning point in ensuring that the country’s climate policies better reflect the desire of its citizens to address the climate crisis, with both leading presidential candidates expressing support for renewable energy. Mexico is the ...
    3 days ago
  • State of humanity, 2024
    2024, it feels, keeps presenting us with ever more challenges, ever more dismay.Do you give up yet? It seems to ask.No? How about this? Or this?How about this?When I say 2024 I really mean the state of humanity in 2024.Saturday night, we watched Civil War because that is one terrifying cliff we've ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago
  • Govt’s Wellington tunnel vision aims to ease the way to the airport (but zealous promoters of cycl...
    Buzz from the Beehive A pet project and governmental tunnel vision jump out from the latest batch of ministerial announcements. The government is keen to assure us of its concern for the wellbeing of our pets. It will be introducing pet bonds in a change to the Residential Tenancies Act ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago
  • The case for cultural connectedness
    A recent report generated from a Growing Up in New Zealand (GUiNZ) survey of 1,224 rangatahi Māori aged 11-12 found: Cultural connectedness was associated with fewer depression symptoms, anxiety symptoms and better quality of life. That sounds cut and dry. But further into the report the following appears: Cultural connectedness is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Useful context on public sector job cuts
    David Farrar writes –    The Herald reports: From the gory details of job-cuts news, you’d think the public service was being eviscerated.   While the media’s view of the cuts is incomplete, it’s also true that departments have been leaking the particulars faster than a Wellington ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell On When Racism Comes Disguised As Anti-racism
    Remember the good old days, back when New Zealand had a PM who could think and speak calmly and intelligently in whole sentences without blustering? Even while Iran’s drones and missiles were still being launched, Helen Clark was live on TVNZ expertly summing up the latest crisis in the Middle ...
    4 days ago
  • Govt ignored economic analysis of smokefree reversal
    Costello did not pass on analysis of the benefits of the smokefree reforms to Cabinet, emphasising instead the extra tax revenues of repealing them. Photo: Hagen Hopkins, Getty Images TL;DR: The six news items that stood out to me at 7:26 am today are:The Lead: Casey Costello never passed on ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • True Blue.
    True loveYou're the one I'm dreaming ofYour heart fits me like a gloveAnd I'm gonna be true blueBaby, I love youI’ve written about the job cuts in our news media last week. The impact on individuals, and the loss to Aotearoa of voices covering our news from different angles.That by ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • Who is running New Zealand’s foreign policy?
    While commentators, including former Prime Minister Helen Clark, are noting a subtle shift in New Zealand’s foreign policy, which now places more emphasis on the United States, many have missed a key element of the shift. What National said before the election is not what the government is doing now. ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #15
    A listing of 31 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, April 7, 2024 thru Sat, April 13, 2024. Story of the week Our story of the week is about adults in the room setting terms and conditions of ...
    5 days ago
  • Feline Friends and Fragile Fauna The Complexities of Cats in New Zealand’s Conservation Efforts

    Cats, with their independent spirit and beguiling purrs, have captured the hearts of humans for millennia. In New Zealand, felines are no exception, boasting the highest national cat ownership rate globally [definition cat nz cat foundation]. An estimated 1.134 million pet cats grace Kiwi households, compared to 683,000 dogs ...

    5 days ago
  • Or is that just they want us to think?
    Nice guy, that Peter Williams. Amiable, a calm air of no-nonsense capability, a winning smile. Everything you look for in a TV presenter and newsreader.I used to see him sometimes when I went to TVNZ to be a talking head or a panellist and we would yarn. Nice guy, that ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago
  • Fact Brief – Did global warming stop in 1998?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by Sue Bin Park in collaboration with members from our Skeptical Science team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Did global warming stop in ...
    6 days ago
  • Arguing over a moot point.
    I have been following recent debates in the corporate and social media about whether it is a good idea for NZ to join what is known as “AUKUS Pillar Two.” AUKUS is the Australian-UK-US nuclear submarine building agreement in which … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    6 days ago
  • No Longer Trusted: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.
    Turning Point: What has turned me away from the mainstream news media is the very strong message that its been sending out for the last few years.” “And what message might that be?” “That the people who own it, the people who run it, and the people who provide its content, really don’t ...
    6 days ago
  • Mortgage rates at 10% anyone?
    No – nothing about that in PM Luxon’s nine-point plan to improve the lives of New Zealanders. But beyond our shores Jamie Dimon, the long-serving head of global bank J.P. Morgan Chase, reckons that the chances of a goldilocks soft landing for the economy are “a lot lower” than the ...
    Point of OrderBy xtrdnry
    6 days ago

  • Anzac commemorations, Türkiye relationship focus of visit
    Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters will represent the Government at Anzac Day commemorations on the Gallipoli Peninsula next week and engage with senior representatives of the Turkish government in Istanbul.    “The Gallipoli campaign is a defining event in our history. It will be a privilege to share the occasion ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    40 mins ago
  • Minister to Europe for OECD meeting, Anzac Day
    Science, Innovation and Technology and Defence Minister Judith Collins will next week attend the OECD Science and Technology Ministerial conference in Paris and Anzac Day commemorations in Belgium. “Science, innovation and technology have a major role to play in rebuilding our economy and achieving better health, environmental and social outcomes ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 hours ago
  • Comprehensive Partnership the goal for NZ and the Philippines
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with the President of the Philippines, Ferdinand Marcos Jr.  The Prime Minister was accompanied by MP Paulo Garcia, the first Filipino to be elected to a legislature outside the Philippines. During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon and President Marcos Jr discussed opportunities to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    14 hours ago
  • Government commits $20m to Westport flood protection
    The Government has announced that $20 million in funding will be made available to Westport to fund much needed flood protection around the town. This measure will significantly improve the resilience of the community, says Local Government Minister Simeon Brown. “The Westport community has already been allocated almost $3 million ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    20 hours ago
  • Taupō takes pole position
    The Government is proud to support the first ever Repco Supercars Championship event in Taupō as up to 70,000 motorsport fans attend the Taupō International Motorsport Park this weekend, says Economic Development Minister Melissa Lee. “Anticipation for the ITM Taupō Super400 is huge, with tickets and accommodation selling out weeks ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    21 hours ago
  • Cost of living support for low-income homeowners
    Local Government Minister Simeon Brown has announced an increase to the Rates Rebate Scheme, putting money back into the pockets of low-income homeowners.  “The coalition Government is committed to bringing down the cost of living for New Zealanders. That includes targeted support for those Kiwis who are doing things tough, such ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    23 hours ago
  • Government backing mussel spat project
    The Coalition Government is investing in a project to boost survival rates of New Zealand mussels and grow the industry, Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones has announced. “This project seeks to increase the resilience of our mussels and significantly boost the sector’s productivity,” Mr Jones says. “The project - ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    24 hours ago
  • Government focused on getting people into work
    Benefit figures released today underscore the importance of the Government’s plan to rebuild the economy and have 50,000 fewer people on Jobseeker Support, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “Benefit numbers are still significantly higher than when National was last in government, when there was about 70,000 fewer ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Clean energy key driver to reducing emissions
    The Government’s commitment to doubling New Zealand’s renewable energy capacity is backed by new data showing that clean energy has helped the country reach its lowest annual gross emissions since 1999, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. New Zealand’s latest Greenhouse Gas Inventory (1990-2022) published today, shows gross emissions fell ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Earthquake-prone buildings review brought forward
    The Government is bringing the earthquake-prone building review forward, with work to start immediately, and extending the deadline for remediations by four years, Building and Construction Minister Chris Penk says. “Our Government is focused on rebuilding the economy. A key part of our plan is to cut red tape that ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 day ago
  • Thailand and NZ to agree to Strategic Partnership
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his Thai counterpart, Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin, have today agreed that New Zealand and the Kingdom of Thailand will upgrade the bilateral relationship to a Strategic Partnership by 2026. “New Zealand and Thailand have a lot to offer each other. We have a strong mutual desire to build ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Government consults on extending coastal permits for ports
    RMA Reform Minister Chris Bishop and Transport Minister Simeon Brown have today announced the Coalition Government’s intention to extend port coastal permits for a further 20 years, providing port operators with certainty to continue their operations. “The introduction of the Resource Management Act in 1991 required ports to obtain coastal ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Inflation coming down, but more work to do
    Today’s announcement that inflation is down to 4 per cent is encouraging news for Kiwis, but there is more work to be done - underlining the importance of the Government’s plan to get the economy back on track, acting Finance Minister Chris Bishop says. “Inflation is now at 4 per ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • School attendance restored as a priority in health advice
    Refreshed health guidance released today will help parents and schools make informed decisions about whether their child needs to be in school, addressing one of the key issues affecting school attendance, says Associate Education Minister David Seymour. In recent years, consistently across all school terms, short-term illness or medical reasons ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Unnecessary bureaucracy cut in oceans sector
    Oceans and Fisheries Minister Shane Jones is streamlining high-level oceans management while maintaining a focus on supporting the sector’s role in the export-led recovery of the economy. “I am working to realise the untapped potential of our fishing and aquaculture sector. To achieve that we need to be smarter with ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 days ago
  • Patterson promoting NZ’s wool sector at International Congress
    Associate Agriculture Minister Mark Patterson is speaking at the International Wool Textile Organisation Congress in Adelaide, promoting New Zealand wool, and outlining the coalition Government’s support for the revitalisation the sector.    "New Zealand’s wool exports reached $400 million in the year to 30 June 2023, and the coalition Government ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Removing red tape to help early learners thrive
    The Government is making legislative changes to make it easier for new early learning services to be established, and for existing services to operate, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. The changes involve repealing the network approval provisions that apply when someone wants to establish a new early learning service, ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • RMA changes to cut coal mining consent red tape
    Changes to the Resource Management Act will align consenting for coal mining to other forms of mining to reduce barriers that are holding back economic development, Resources Minister Shane Jones says. “The inconsistent treatment of coal mining compared with other extractive activities is burdensome red tape that fails to acknowledge ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • McClay reaffirms strong NZ-China trade relationship
    Trade, Agriculture and Forestry Minister Todd McClay has concluded productive discussions with ministerial counterparts in Beijing today, in support of the New Zealand-China trade and economic relationship. “My meeting with Commerce Minister Wang Wentao reaffirmed the complementary nature of the bilateral trade relationship, with our Free Trade Agreement at its ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    3 days ago
  • Prime Minister Luxon acknowledges legacy of Singapore Prime Minister Lee
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon today paid tribute to Singapore’s outgoing Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.   Meeting in Singapore today immediately before Prime Minister Lee announced he was stepping down, Prime Minister Luxon warmly acknowledged his counterpart’s almost twenty years as leader, and the enduring legacy he has left for Singapore and South East ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • PMs Luxon and Lee deepen Singapore-NZ ties
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon held a bilateral meeting today with Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. While in Singapore as part of his visit to South East Asia this week, Prime Minister Luxon also met with Singapore President Tharman Shanmugaratnam and will meet with Deputy Prime Minister Lawrence Wong.  During today’s meeting, Prime Minister Luxon ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Antarctica New Zealand Board appointments
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has made further appointments to the Board of Antarctica New Zealand as part of a continued effort to ensure the Scott Base Redevelopment project is delivered in a cost-effective and efficient manner.  The Minister has appointed Neville Harris as a new member of the Board. Mr ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Finance Minister travels to Washington DC
    Finance Minister Nicola Willis will travel to the United States on Tuesday to attend a meeting of the Five Finance Ministers group, with counterparts from Australia, the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.  “I am looking forward to meeting with our Five Finance partners on how we can work ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Pet bonds a win/win for renters and landlords
    The coalition Government has today announced purrfect and pawsitive changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to give tenants with pets greater choice when looking for a rental property, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “Pets are important members of many Kiwi families. It’s estimated that around 64 per cent of New ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • Long Tunnel for SH1 Wellington being considered
    State Highway 1 (SH1) through Wellington City is heavily congested at peak times and while planning continues on the duplicate Mt Victoria Tunnel and Basin Reserve project, the Government has also asked NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) to consider and provide advice on a Long Tunnel option, Transport Minister Simeon Brown ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    4 days ago
  • New Zealand condemns Iranian strikes
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Foreign Minister Winston Peters have condemned Iran’s shocking and illegal strikes against Israel.    “These attacks are a major challenge to peace and stability in a region already under enormous pressure," Mr Luxon says.    "We are deeply concerned that miscalculation on any side could ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    5 days ago
  • Huge interest in Government’s infrastructure plans
    Hundreds of people in little over a week have turned out in Northland to hear Regional Development Minister Shane Jones speak about plans for boosting the regional economy through infrastructure. About 200 people from the infrastructure and associated sectors attended an event headlined by Mr Jones in Whangarei today. Last ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Health Minister thanks outgoing Health New Zealand Chair
    Health Minister Dr Shane Reti has today thanked outgoing Health New Zealand – Te Whatu Ora Chair Dame Karen Poutasi for her service on the Board.   “Dame Karen tendered her resignation as Chair and as a member of the Board today,” says Dr Reti.  “I have asked her to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    7 days ago
  • Roads of National Significance planning underway
    The NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) has signalled their proposed delivery approach for the Government’s 15 Roads of National Significance (RoNS), with the release of the State Highway Investment Proposal (SHIP) today, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Boosting economic growth and productivity is a key part of the Government’s plan to ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Navigating an unstable global environment
    New Zealand is renewing its connections with a world facing urgent challenges by pursuing an active, energetic foreign policy, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.   “Our country faces the most unstable global environment in decades,” Mr Peters says at the conclusion of two weeks of engagements in Egypt, Europe and the United States.    “We cannot afford to sit back in splendid ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ welcomes Australian Governor-General
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon has announced the Australian Governor-General, His Excellency General The Honourable David Hurley and his wife Her Excellency Mrs Linda Hurley, will make a State visit to New Zealand from Tuesday 16 April to Thursday 18 April. The visit reciprocates the State visit of former Governor-General Dame Patsy Reddy ...
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    1 week ago
  • Pseudoephedrine back on shelves for Winter
    Associate Health Minister David Seymour has announced that Medsafe has approved 11 cold and flu medicines containing pseudoephedrine. Pharmaceutical suppliers have indicated they may be able to supply the first products in June. “This is much earlier than the original expectation of medicines being available by 2025. The Government recognised ...
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    1 week ago
  • NZ and the US: an ever closer partnership
    New Zealand and the United States have recommitted to their strategic partnership in Washington DC today, pledging to work ever more closely together in support of shared values and interests, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.    “The strategic environment that New Zealand and the United States face is considerably more ...
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    1 week ago
  • Joint US and NZ declaration
    April 11, 2024 Joint Declaration by United States Secretary of State the Honorable Antony J. Blinken and New Zealand Minister of Foreign Affairs the Right Honourable Winston Peters We met today in Washington, D.C. to recommit to the historic partnership between our two countries and the principles that underpin it—rule ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • NZ and US to undertake further practical Pacific cooperation
    Foreign Minister Winston Peters has announced further New Zealand cooperation with the United States in the Pacific Islands region through $16.4 million in funding for initiatives in digital connectivity and oceans and fisheries research.   “New Zealand can achieve more in the Pacific if we work together more urgently and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Government redress for Te Korowai o Wainuiārua
    The Government is continuing the bipartisan effort to restore its relationship with iwi as the Te Korowai o Wainuiārua Claims Settlement Bill passed its first reading in Parliament today, says Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith. “Historical grievances of Te Korowai o Wainuiārua relate to 19th century warfare, land purchased or taken ...
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    1 week ago
  • Focus on outstanding minerals permit applications
    New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals is working to resolve almost 150 outstanding minerals permit applications by the end of the financial year, enabling valuable mining activity and signalling to the sector that New Zealand is open for business, Resources Minister Shane Jones says.  “While there are no set timeframes for ...
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    1 week ago
  • Applications open for NZ-Ireland Research Call
    The New Zealand and Irish governments have today announced that applications for the 2024 New Zealand-Ireland Joint Research Call on Agriculture and Climate Change are now open. This is the third research call in the three-year Joint Research Initiative pilot launched in 2022 by the Ministry for Primary Industries and Ireland’s ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Tenancy rules changes to improve rental market
    The coalition Government has today announced changes to the Residential Tenancies Act to encourage landlords back to the rental property market, says Housing Minister Chris Bishop. “The previous Government waged a war on landlords. Many landlords told us this caused them to exit the rental market altogether. It caused worse ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago
  • Boosting NZ’s trade and agricultural relationship with China
    Trade and Agriculture Minister Todd McClay will visit China next week, to strengthen relationships, support Kiwi exporters and promote New Zealand businesses on the world stage. “China is one of New Zealand’s most significant trade and economic relationships and remains an important destination for New Zealand’s products, accounting for nearly 22 per cent of our good and ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

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