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		<title>By: Introspection and the development of a value judgment &#171; The visible hand in economics</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-106290</link>
		<dc:creator>Introspection and the development of a value judgment &#171; The visible hand in economics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] His new blog can be found here (ht the Standard) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: illuminatedtiger</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105965</link>
		<dc:creator>illuminatedtiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to see he left Policy.net.nz - blogging on a site alongside that fringe right wing nutter is bound to give one a headache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to see he left Policy.net.nz &#8211; blogging on a site alongside that fringe right wing nutter is bound to give one a headache.</p>
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		<title>By: randal</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105860</link>
		<dc:creator>randal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bret dale
creeps are creeps however old they may be
just having money and being over twentyone doesn not disqualify you from being a creep
good onya tane
call a spade a spade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bret dale<br />
creeps are creeps however old they may be<br />
just having money and being over twentyone doesn not disqualify you from being a creep<br />
good onya tane<br />
call a spade a spade</p>
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		<title>By: Felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105823</link>
		<dc:creator>Felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;but hes Chris Trotter, surly he has had worse yelled at him across the street&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Cheers Brett, just about spat my coffee. :D


Good to see Trotter has figured out that he doesn&#039;t need an &quot;Executive High Commissioner Blog Producer In Cheif&quot; to do this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;but hes Chris Trotter, surly he has had worse yelled at him across the street&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Cheers Brett, just about spat my coffee. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good to see Trotter has figured out that he doesn&#8217;t need an &#8220;Executive High Commissioner Blog Producer In Cheif&#8221; to do this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s good to see him back blogging, and hope that Chris does stick to making things more civilised and reflective.  I really do think that in the main, the comments section reflect the content of the blog itself.  Chris got a lot of flak on his last blog, and I was one of the people severely criticising him, but I think the criticism he got was well-deserved.

Chris splashed onto the scene, attempting to make as much noise as possible.  I think he deliberately chose targets to get as much attention as possible.  His early posts railing against IdiotSavant, for example, were purely flame.

His subsequent posts, justifying corruption (we needed to do it to keep the Right out, so that&#039;s okay), suggesting anybody who didn&#039;t like Labour should leave the country, attacking anybody who did leave the country to pursue other economic opportunities as &quot;treasonous&quot;, attacking the Right generally (everyone who votes for National is scum!), expressing nostalgia towards old-style union thuggery and violence, and then railing against the Maori Party--all these approaches, in my view, did the Left no favours.

I look at some of the writers here at the Standard.  Some of them tend to write thoughtful, insightful posts that stimulate civilised debate (Dancer, and mostly Irishbill, for example).  Other posters tend to stimulate division and antagonism by making wild, ridiculous observations based on extremism and hyperbole (I won&#039;t mention who).  I think Trotter almost invariably fell into the latter category of writers.

I hope he has learned the lesson and matured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s good to see him back blogging, and hope that Chris does stick to making things more civilised and reflective.  I really do think that in the main, the comments section reflect the content of the blog itself.  Chris got a lot of flak on his last blog, and I was one of the people severely criticising him, but I think the criticism he got was well-deserved.</p>
<p>Chris splashed onto the scene, attempting to make as much noise as possible.  I think he deliberately chose targets to get as much attention as possible.  His early posts railing against IdiotSavant, for example, were purely flame.</p>
<p>His subsequent posts, justifying corruption (we needed to do it to keep the Right out, so that&#8217;s okay), suggesting anybody who didn&#8217;t like Labour should leave the country, attacking anybody who did leave the country to pursue other economic opportunities as &#8220;treasonous&#8221;, attacking the Right generally (everyone who votes for National is scum!), expressing nostalgia towards old-style union thuggery and violence, and then railing against the Maori Party&#8211;all these approaches, in my view, did the Left no favours.</p>
<p>I look at some of the writers here at the Standard.  Some of them tend to write thoughtful, insightful posts that stimulate civilised debate (Dancer, and mostly Irishbill, for example).  Other posters tend to stimulate division and antagonism by making wild, ridiculous observations based on extremism and hyperbole (I won&#8217;t mention who).  I think Trotter almost invariably fell into the latter category of writers.</p>
<p>I hope he has learned the lesson and matured.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105804</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was banned from his last blog for asking a question about why someone else had been banned.  So I am glad he&#039;s left those facists.  Wonder if there&#039;s a story there.

Chris does seem to be taking the electoral defeat particularly badly.  Spoilt teenager badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was banned from his last blog for asking a question about why someone else had been banned.  So I am glad he&#8217;s left those facists.  Wonder if there&#8217;s a story there.</p>
<p>Chris does seem to be taking the electoral defeat particularly badly.  Spoilt teenager badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Haynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Haynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris&#039;s new blog is intended to be more reflective, as he explains at length in the first post. As he puts it, &quot;I intend Bowalley Road to be a much quieter, and certainly a more respectful, place.&quot;

My own experience suggests that it&#039;s not too hard to maintain a civilised discourse with such an approach. But in the meantime I think that it&#039;s probably prudent for him to moderate, until people adjust. This is assuming that he can keep up his more &quot;ruminative&quot; style</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8217;s new blog is intended to be more reflective, as he explains at length in the first post. As he puts it, &#8220;I intend Bowalley Road to be a much quieter, and certainly a more respectful, place.&#8221;</p>
<p>My own experience suggests that it&#8217;s not too hard to maintain a civilised discourse with such an approach. But in the meantime I think that it&#8217;s probably prudent for him to moderate, until people adjust. This is assuming that he can keep up his more &#8220;ruminative&#8221; style</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to see Chris&#039;s blog is being heavily moderated. I don&#039;t always agree with him, but he is a left commentator that provides content of substance and raises important issues, whatever you think of his views or his way of saying it.

But it was frustrating to see how much his posts became inuandated with right wing vitriolic responses, that seemed to often swamp any useful left wing discussion.  Look at his last post.  It is still getting a continual stream of right wing, punitive comments, spinning the same old lines.  Strange, seeing as the right-wing parties are actually forming the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to see Chris&#8217;s blog is being heavily moderated. I don&#8217;t always agree with him, but he is a left commentator that provides content of substance and raises important issues, whatever you think of his views or his way of saying it.</p>
<p>But it was frustrating to see how much his posts became inuandated with right wing vitriolic responses, that seemed to often swamp any useful left wing discussion.  Look at his last post.  It is still getting a continual stream of right wing, punitive comments, spinning the same old lines.  Strange, seeing as the right-wing parties are actually forming the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105798</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>insider, fair point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>insider, fair point.</p>
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		<title>By: insider</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105797</link>
		<dc:creator>insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tane

Some of his posts/columns were pretty abusive so he may have reaped what he sowed. Look at the ones on uppity Maoris making choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tane</p>
<p>Some of his posts/columns were pretty abusive so he may have reaped what he sowed. Look at the ones on uppity Maoris making choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett  Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105796</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett  Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never really read his old blog, but hes Chris Trotter, surly he has had worse yelled at him across the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really read his old blog, but hes Chris Trotter, surly he has had worse yelled at him across the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105793</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett, I suspect he had his bit of biffo on his last blog and decided to try a more low-key approach. You should take a look at some of the filth and abuse he had to put up with over there - I don&#039;t blame him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett, I suspect he had his bit of biffo on his last blog and decided to try a more low-key approach. You should take a look at some of the filth and abuse he had to put up with over there &#8211; I don&#8217;t blame him.</p>
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		<title>By: gingercrush</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105792</link>
		<dc:creator>gingercrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ And you wonder why he chooses to moderate replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ And you wonder why he chooses to moderate replies.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105791</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see posts on Chris&#039;s blog only appears after being  approved, pretty gutless way of blogging if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see posts on Chris&#8217;s blog only appears after being  approved, pretty gutless way of blogging if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett  Dale</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/trotter-back-blogging/comment-page-1/#comment-105790</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett  Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Left those creeps????

How old are you, Tane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left those creeps????</p>
<p>How old are you, Tane?</p>
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