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Two little Pagis squeal and squeak

Written By: - Date published: 9:25 pm, August 16th, 2012 - 178 comments
Categories: activism, internet, labour, spin - Tags: ,

It seems the Standard is off the Paganis’ Christmas list.

John Pagani tells the Listener that he much prefers Kiwiblog because it “has a more reasonable tone than, say, the left blog the Standard, whose idea of political is embittered and angry and it’s therefore hard to read.” Now that’s tragic and moronic, but hardly surprising. It also helps shed light on the inspiration for the otherwise unfathomable, bizzarely kamikaze PR ‘strategy’ of Labour under Shearer. In one of the best blog posts I’ve read for some time, Tumeke gives a superb account of just why Pagani really needs to go if Labour doesn’t want to lose the few remaining activists it has left.

Meanwhile in other completely unrelated news, Josie Pagani has noticed that there has “been a bit of comment about me on the Standard blog. I’m not going to reply there because the people who make the most defamatory comments do it anonymously, like the KKK putting on their white hoods… I’m also astonished at the sexism. Commenters repeatedly conflate my views with my husband’s.” Yes… you’d have to be a pretty sexist bastard to think Josie’s views were anything but completely independent of John’s. Totally. She goes on to give a very long and largely unreadable vacu-pap piece in defence of Shearer’s gutless dog-whistling.

I wonder how long it will take all the younger members of the Labour caucus to understand that Paganiism is going to cut their political careers much shorter than they’d hoped?

178 comments on “Two little Pagis squeal and squeak”

  1. vto 1

    Are paganis those new bananas in the Woolston supervalue?

  2. xtasy 2

    Having listened to Josie Paganie more than enough times on the Monday face off with Hooton or any other right winger, and also at the odd other occasion on “National Radio”, I have had to ask myself, what the hell associates that “person” with the Labour Party or even just humbly the labour movement?

    I see nothing much at all, as she is a total opportunist Blairite of sorts, wanting to tell people, well, move on, we must get into power again, no matter what, we have to make “compromises” with “middle NZ”, sort of.

    So who would make any sense out of such total drivel, but to be that of a willy nilly non committal know it all, pseudo academic “wannabe”, who has to prove anything about what she herself has actually substantially contributed to the party or movement she claims she stands for?

    The sooner the Labour Party gets rid of such hobos and idiots, the better for all. I am happy to see Cunliffe back, shaved or not shaved, at least committed, and who knows, he might have had a chat to “Helen” in New York on his travels, got a bit of mature advice, may hang in there, and wait for his deserved time?

    That is about all I feel that Labour can presently hope for, unless the youth brigades may decide to have a “palace revolt” kind of thing.

    I always preferred paninis to paganis anyway.

    • Colonial Viper 2.1

      That is about all I feel that Labour can presently hope for, unless the youth brigades may decide to have a “palace revolt” kind of thing.

      Nah, Young Labour based in Wellington (as well as most of their recent grads) has been totally captured by beltway thinking. No hope there.

    • Mary 2.2

      “The sooner the Labour Party gets rid of such hobos and idiots, the better for all.”

      That’s a pretty big ask because it gets close to wiping the whole of Labour out and starting from scatch. Just look at Ardern’s comments this morning on Morning Report responding to the plans to drug-test beneficiaries. She pretty much said it’s okay to screw over beneficiaries for the occassional puff on a joint. She’s either missed the point hopelessley, or has given us yet another example of how Labour’s welfare policy and attitude towards beneficiaries is indistinguishable from National’s.

      • Don 2.2.1

        Wiping out Labour and starting from scratch? Again? Labour was wiped out in the 90’s. They sold the last vestige of their sole when they gave their polling info to National during the Tamaki by-election. Anybody with any spine left then. Forget Labour. Join the Greens.

        • OneTrack 2.2.1.1

          Yeah. We dont need jobs.

          • Don 2.2.1.1.1

            Jobs? from Labour? Where were you in ’87? In the 2000’s, Labour rode the credit bubble like everyone else. But they don’t care about jobs – well, not unless they are funded by the Arts Council. Who destroyed the DSIR? Who made Science Education too expensive so now we are run by media studies graduates?

            I bet you will find more people running businesses and employing people in the Greens than in Labour. The last person in the Labour party to run a business was Jim Anderton.

  3. Colonial Viper 3

    With a post title like this Mr Sprout, Josie is so gonna kick your ass! Or try anyways :D

    I wonder how long it will take all the younger members of the Labour caucus to understand that Paganiism is going to cut their political careers much shorter than they’d hoped?

    Sometime late 2014. If not sooner.

    • gobsmacked 3.1

      I wonder how long it will take all the younger members of the Labour caucus to understand that Paganiism is going to cut their political careers much shorter than they’d hoped?

      Sadly, that probably won’t happen.

      Assuming some older ones retire anyway, the failed Labour MPs can get their 20-something per cent again and all keep their jobs. They just have to rig the list, like last time.

      I suspect the reason the younger ones aren’t agitating more, is that they see National losing after 3 terms, and the likes of Robertson/Hipkins/Ardern getting into government, without having rocked the boat. (By 2017 they’d inherit a country in the shit, but their salaries will insulate them nicely).

  4. gobsmacked 4

    For the record, I had no idea who Josie Pagani was, until she started on the politics spot on “Nine to Noon”. Previously the “left” was represented by Andrew Campbell, or Sue Bradford, both of whom I would sometimes disagree with, but at least they made cogent arguments. I think Mike Williams still pops up there as well. (Hooton of course is the regular rightie, and is evil but smart, and occasionally funny).

    So I have formed my opinion of Josie P entirely apart from her husband, and before this latest “bludger on the roof” madness. And my opinion was: “Please stop talking now”.

    • weka 4.1

      Me too, didn’t know who she was, found her a complete yawn fest on Nine to Noon, and wondered what happened to the left commentator.

      • xtasy 4.1.1

        Perhaps they should ask McCarten instead?

        • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1

          He can do his little Pro-Shearer entreaties, that’ll be nice for everyone.

          • xtasy 4.1.1.1.1

            He’s been pretty critical of Labour and Shearer in his last Herald column!

            • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1.1.1

              Critical of Labour yes. But he also gave Shearer a pass until 2014 saying that the electorate would not pay any attention to him until then, regardless. Then he called Cunliffe and Jones as lacking seriousness.

          • weka 4.1.1.1.2

            Wishlist of left wing commentators?
             
             

            • xtasy 4.1.1.1.2.1

              Hone Harawira (though lacking in some insight and knowledge, also articulation);
              Minto (too extreme and a fringe activist not appealing to most);
              Jo Carolan (far too extreme for most);
              Bradford (good for solid statements, not appealing for willy nilly newbies);

              So the “left” could do with “refreshments”, sort of, what about you?

              • Colonial Viper

                Hone Harawira is a far better rabble rouser and advocate for social justice than Shearer is.

                • xtasy

                  Prb he lacks knowlege, info and substantial sources to argue, that cuts him short. O so many could sort it out but he is not interested, as he is a one man player, that is the prob, mate!

              • weka

                Still waiting for Laila Harre to get public again.
                 
                Martyn Bradbury makes good listening, speaks truth to power and doesn’t quite scare the horses.
                 
                Harawira, I like him, and would love to hear his views more often. There are some awesome Maori women whose voices we should be hearing from more often too.
                 
                What’s Nandor Tanczos up to?
                 
                Really what RNZ should do is have Comment from the Left, Centre, and Right. Then we might get some actual perspective instead of 2D. They can have a Labourite as the Centre one ;-) (and save us all from the Dunnites).

                • xtasy

                  Laila is tied up with agendas few know about, is willy nilly and of little substance, apart form her union. She betrayed Alliance too to a degree, an activist told me, so she is now, like many others, following personal agendas, whether justified or not, it makes no difference: Lost!\

                  • weka

                    She’s working for the Greens now.

                    • xtasy

                      know that, I hope she’ s got honest, accepts the challenges and sticks with them for good, as they can do with some smart guidance. She’s capable, but she has wasted her skills, also partly for self interest, as I was told. A challenge can always lead to be proved and others to be convinced. Give her a go thus.

                • xtasy

                  You can never expect much from radio nz, fairly. They are a “public broadcaster”, the last one we have! So they have to create a “balance” (between right and left – or “wrong” as they would perceive).

                  So try to be fair or soft with them as anything else is abysmal.

            • tc 4.1.1.1.2.2

              RNZ use Pagani because she’s ineffective, waffles people to sleep and can’t joust with whomever is on the other side, it’s all part of the Nat influenced MSM with Griffin controlling the RNZ board.

              That’s why Hotten’s a permanent just in case they forget and get someone decent to represent the left.

              It’s a masterclass in command and control which’s what the top dollar CT bills get you.

    • joe90 4.2

      Latte/Chardonnay technocrat.

      http://www.progressive.org.nz/People/people.html

      Josie Pagani is equally comfortable mingling with international diplomats or mustering her sheep. She returned last year after nearly three years in Paris where she worked for the OECD advising governments on communications and aid effectiveness. She is a former communications manager at NZAID, New Zealand’s first aid agency. Before that Josie worked as a press secretary in ministers’ offices, including the office of Jim Anderton, Matt Robson and the Prime Minister Helen Clark.

      Josie is the mother of two children and lives with her husband on the Kapiti Coast where she rides horses, plays the piano and speaks French (and some German and Maori). Today she works as a communications consultant.

      • xtasy 4.2.1

        Chardonnay circles aye. Meet the high end diplomats, some of whom are the folks “friends” met with way back, aye? Here goes the “circle of friends”, we are “all in it together”, but not with that (dis-enfranchised)”scruffy looking” folk out there?

        That is Blairite crap, hang them all, thanks, have a REAL revolution, to throw them out, the establishment is crap. But I see again, a totally NEW party and organisation is needed, that Labour crowd is beyond repair, for sure. You must be an idiot beyond healing not to realise that!

      • xtasy 4.2.2

        I would lie to ride horses in my spare time, but I never owned a horse, never owned my own house or flat, never will as my economic circumstances dictate, never am likely to earn money to afford paying off a mortgage, and I already speak fluent German, English and a fair amount of French, have good economic and business skills, and I just cannot overcome myself to prostitute my skills to work for next to nothing, to sell it for corporate interests, to be a mercinary and to make others rich and powerful, and a tthe same time make an ass of myself. Sorry, something with the system is rotten. Also especially NZ bosses I met were amongst the worst in the world. So do better, NZ, we may need a collective, or at least more social and responsible, sensible, intelligent approach to engage people, IT IS NOT HAPPENING!

        • xtasy 4.2.2.1

          That is besides of some serious health issues I have, which keep me from even being “material” worth employing. Maybe it is easier to “opt out” altogether, suicide, I sometimes think about this shit society!

          • weka 4.2.2.1.1

            I think it’s very important to find ways of being kind to ourselves. You sounds like you’re working in some very stressful areas xtasy. Do you take time to look after yourself too?

          • gobsmacked 4.2.2.1.2

            Xtasy, don’t let yourself think like that. (I don’t want to derail the thread, but it sounds like you have much to offer, and there are support networks out there, I hope you can find something that suits.)

          • Colonial Viper 4.2.2.1.3

            Nah mate stay with us we need you when it comes to the soon-to-be-formed battle lines, you might not fight at the front but someone will need to train the new recruits, clean the wounds and apply new bandages, organise and procure supplies and make sure that morale is maintained throughout the forces and officer corp.

            • pukeko 4.2.2.1.3.1

              Whiore hume.

              • prism

                pukeko
                I looked up whiore hume and one meaning is “A coward was [called] ‘he whiore hume’ (tail between the legs).” It’s cool to speak Maori and use it but it’s hard to get anything positive from that.

        • Draco T Bastard 4.2.2.2

          …and I just cannot overcome myself to prostitute my skills to work for next to nothing, to sell it for corporate interests, to be a mercinary and to make others rich and powerful, and a tthe same time make an ass of myself.

          You too?

          Thing is, I actually suspect that it’s like that for many people in this dog eat dog world that we’ve created over the last few decades.

    • David H 4.3

      Naaa Hootens, like a Hooray Henry All noise, bullshit, and no substance.

  5. captain hook 5

    yeah I listen to her on the ‘panel’ and its like she’s read it all out of a book
    has she /he ever had a real job in their life?

    • Bob 5.1

      That same question can be asked of most of the Labour Caucus! No wonder they are so out of touch with the workers they are supposed to stand for, they have never spent time working with them.

      • Carol 5.1.1

        I think Josie P has been out and about and met a few different kinds of people. She talks of campaigning for Labour and talking to members of the public around the country.

        It’s not so much that she hasn’t been “in touch” with different kinds of people, or that she only has book knowledge, it’s the lens she uses to view the world and make sense of her experiences….. and it looks to me like a Blairite, soft-neoliberal lens.

        • David H 5.1.1.1

          She sounds to me like one of those people who are always volunteering (you know they are useless). And you just have to keep on making excuses for them, Here we have got a 2 for 1 package deal buy one, and unfortunately you get the other one free.

  6. captain hook 6

    oh and btw if he is so enamoured of kiwiblag then the question must be asked if he votes National?

    • Carol 6.1

      Indeed. I really don’t understand how a leftie could prefer the “tone” there to here….. unless it’s just because there is more criticism of John P here than there – maybe he’s not really that left wing after all?

      And as for the anonymity thing? Would it make any difference if some of us said the same things at a public meeting? Most people probably still wouldn’t know anything much about is.

      If they can’t stand the heat, they shouldn’t put themselves in such a public position.

  7. weka 7

    She must be getting pretty desperate if she has to compare TS commenters to the KKK. Or maybe she’s just a nasty offsite troll.
     

  8. captain hook 8

    the thing is they are really milksop careerists who want it both ways and in the end aren’t worth anything.

  9. BillODrees 9

    What a pair of useless Tossers!  

    If both of them have the ear of Phil, Annette, Trevor, Grant and two Davids (not the Cunliffe one) we are truly in a mess, of proportions that the most pessimistic of  the party faithful were afraid to consider possible.  Jesus, Mary and Joseph! All of sudden Mike Moore becomes attractive. 

  10. gobsmacked 10

    Since John Pagani prefers Kiwiblog, here’s the link …

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/tag/john_pagani

    You can read a preview of what’s coming soon from Shearer, by reading DPF’s posts about Pagani working for Goff (DPF is biased, of course, but there are original sources linked as well). I really recommend having a look. Note the comments on teachers, and welfare, and cosying up to National. There’s a clear pattern here.

  11. millsy 11

    Josie Pagani is not as influential as she thinks she is.

    The fact that she was so far down the Labour Party list that if she got into the House, we would be a one-party state, kinda speaks volumes about her actual influence in the party.

    Im not really all that worried about her.

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      There’s influence in the party, then there is influence on the electorate through appearances like National Radio.

      Gawd frakking help us if New Zealanders listening believe that Pagani represents what the Left of politics has to offer in this country.

      • gobsmacked 11.1.1

        Commentators are, by definition, unsuccessful candidates or failed politicians (Pagani, Jackson, Tamihere, Farrar, Franks, Slater, etc)

        A few exceptions – Mike Williams is one. But not many.

      • weka 11.1.2

        Yeah that’s my worry, RNZ’s influence on middle class NZ. What happened to RNZ’s role of getting people to think?

        • tc 11.1.2.1

          RNZ is under the nat MSM machine, Plunkett shipped off by dangling a juicy carrott, Mora/Crump/Laidlaw/Ryan left alone as not threatening, even helping sometimes. I’m surprised Mary Wilson on Checkpoint’s not been nobbled but then you wouldn’t imagine her going quietly.

  12. Sufi Safari 12

    Sprout and friends once again delivering the irony in thick “embittered and angry” measure.
    Recent posts by Mike Smith, Jimmy Reid and Jenny Michie have been raising the level of introspection on this site from the vituperative to the truly reflective and even constructive. It’d be great if you could join them.

    Also, you guys should talk to someone in the Leader’s Office. Your perspective of John Pagani’s role is way off. Disagree with his politics, fine, but I think if you take a moment you’ll find he’s hardly earned the role of whipping boy for all your disillusionments.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Don’t write off anger mate. Anger moves nations. And Mike Smith and Jimmy Reid were happier with the status quo than unhappy with it. With all due respect to good guys, how many people did they move with their pieces? Sweet F.A., I suspect.

      PS “Paganiism” does not have to come from the Pagani’s personally. Its simply a label which describes the weak kneed unprincipled, cosy up to the comfortable centre-right middle class, underclass bashing apologist approach of some elements of the “Left”.

      • Sufi Safari 12.1.1

        Anger can be a superb motivator. Or a huge turn off.

        If you’ve been to any manner of left-wing protest recently you’ll have seen (or been) a small mob of angry folk bashing your heads against mainstream apathy. Further alienating the message from that mainstream and reinforcing the sense of alienation that drives the anger in the first place. It’s painful to watch and even more distressing to be a part of.

        Which isn’t to say an angry mob can’t be raised… if you’re a truckie opposed to RUC changes, or someone who doesn’t want their kids to be given legal protection from assault, or a Destiny Church-goer who has had enough of the gays, or if you have boobs and are on a bike (but then you were probably less angry and more naked).

        Until the left can inspire a compelling sense of anything, whether it’s anger, hope, pride or belonging, your anger is not going to move anything as truculent as a nation.

        But by all means come to the Standard and roar your terrible roars and gnash your terrible teeth, I just think it’s funny how you get so wild when someone rolls their terrible eyes and calls you on it.

        • Colonial Viper 12.1.1.1

          Until the left can inspire a compelling sense of anything, whether it’s anger, hope, pride or belonging, your anger is not going to move anything as truculent as a nation.

          Hey mash for brains

          In case you haven’t paid attention in the last 6 months

          Its Labour and its current leadership who can’t “inspire a compelling sense of anything”

          • Sufi Safari 12.1.1.1.1

            Okay, so I am basically writing off anger at this point. You haven’t moved me and I’m ready to call it that you’re not going to move a nation.

            Have you paid attention to the last six years?
            I can’t think of a single instance of large-scale anger-driven protest that I can get on board with. None that I would class as being of the left.

            I understand your grievance. I share it. I just don’t agree that wave after wave of vitriol is going to do anything for you. Or for the left. Or for the Labour Party. Or for the country. If I am wrong, and your rage improves the prospects of any one of those listed, I will gladly withdraw and apologise.

              • weka

                btw, anger and vitriol are not synonymous in this context. You are conflating the two things.

              • Sufi Safari

                Apparently Colonial Viper’s fears are founded, I haven’t paid attention in the last six months. You’ve rather skewered my argument there, and your point about anger and vitriol is well made. It’s a distinction I hadn’t considered, which I think makes my position overall a bit problematic. Good food for thought. Thanks.

                • geoff

                  sprout: comment deleted

                  • Galeandra

                    Debate if you can rather than abuse someone; this comment is simply offensive and suggests you can’t offer any ideas worth reading

                  • Sufi Safari

                    Hi geoff. Thanks for contributing so concisely to my original thesis.
                    Have a swell day.

                    • rosy

                      Classy reply Sufi – a virtual high five to you – there was no need for geoff to write crap like that, actually there’s never a need to write that.

                • weka

                  Hi Sufi, I think even with the more vitriolic protests, there is value. It’s partly that protest is being left to the most angry people and often the young who have the energy to mobilise in radical ways. It’s important that this keeps happening, because we desperately need young people to stay politicised. It also keeps the issues in the public eye, better than most other things. Radical activists have always led the way – think the Sprinkbok tour, anti-nuke, the Maori renaissance, some of the older environmental protests.
                   
                  I think the internet has changed protest and activism too. Bill (TS author) has some good insight into this. People think that signing a petition online, or posting something on social media is sufficient, and there seems to be middle-classification of activism where certain kinds of protesting are now seen as distasteful. That’s a real shame IMO.
                   
                   

                  • KJT

                    There is also the chilling effect, on protest, of seeing legal protesters being assaulted and dragged off in a police van.

                    Not to mention the likelihood of personal details being illegally outed to the media if you dare to criticise a politician.

                    I have to say it for Labour here. Labour only refuses to publish critical comments on Red Alert.

                    • weka

                      You say that as if it’s a good thing KJT. Doesn’t that just make RA a propaganda space? If people on the left can’t critique Labour policy there, Labour are in effect saying they don’t care what people think.

                    • KJT

                      Only by comparison with NACT’s/Bashers methods.

                  • Sufi Safari

                    Hi Weka. I’ve watched a lot of protests consisting of the same 20-50 people milling around King Dick chanting the slogan of the moment and at best being ignored by the people inside the buildings and at worst being conflated with their cause in totem by politicians and staffers who saw them all last week and more easily see them as malcontents than as the vanguard of a movement.

                    That experience colours my perspective of protest (and of many MPs in similar measure). But I think I agree with you more than disagree.

    • gobsmacked 12.2

      you guys should talk to someone in the Leader’s Office.

      We’re trying to, but it’s a one-way conversation.

      It would be fantastic if “someone in the Leader’s Office” would engage and debate. They even have a Labour MPs blog for that very purpose. Seen it lately?

      Labour/Shearer seem to have decided on a strategy. If they really want feedback on it, there are dozens of avenues. But they don’t, do they?

      • weka 12.2.1

        You mean the blog where they censor comments?

        • Bob 12.2.1.1

          Are you talking about this one or Red Alert? They are both as bad as each other.

          • weka 12.2.1.1.1

            This isn’t a Labour blog Bob. And AFAIK it doesn’t censor comments except where they are libelous. It does moderate behaviour, but pretty liberally, and such moderation is normal on blogs that don’t want to be a tr*llfest. Red Alert appear to actually refuse comment content they don’t like.

            • David H 12.2.1.1.1.1

              @Weka 12:26am Bullshit they do censor mainly delete anything that calls for any politician to be held accountable, or the calls for stepping down

              • weka

                David, are you talking the Standard or Red Alert? I’m saying TS doesn’t censor content (other than to prevent libel) but RA does.

                • SHG

                  “The Standard” censors anything it feels like at any time for any or no reason whatsoever.

                  Their playground, their rules.

      • Sufi Safari 12.2.2

        By “trying to”, do you mean via blogs?
        If so, then for all the reasons that this thread is beautifully ironic, I humbly submit that you’re doing it wrong.

        • the sprout 12.2.2.1

          true enough.
          we should really be communicating with Labour via Kiwiblog – it seems that’s where most of the ideas are coming from.
          ironic indeed

          • Sufi Safari 12.2.2.1.1

            Still doing it wrong.

            • Colonial Viper 12.2.2.1.1.1

              Hey Safari. Thanks for your tutoring. You can go away now.

              • Sufi Safari

                That was supposed to be a good-ish natured jab at Sprout’s wry Kiwiblog joke in the face of my blanket assertion that blogs were the wrong avenue. I tried it out with more detail and it read clumsily, and I couldn’t bring myself to add a lol or emoticon. But you’re right, it does read somewhat imperious. Please accept my apologies, it was not my intention in this instance.

        • gobsmacked 12.2.2.2

          Via every available outlet, if you’ve noticed the last few days.

          People have e-mailed their MPs, or others in the party. People have been all over the blogosphere – almost every left/liberal/Labour blog has been asking “WTF?” (in a variety of language).

          And Shearer sent us a nice e-mail … which said nothing. The next one is due tomorrow. Breath not being held.

          • Sufi Safari 12.2.2.2.1

            Don’t think those emails are being ignored (if the blog posts run true to type then probably assume that they are being). Also don’t assume you’re in the majority (actually you probably can on this one, but not always).

            Those emails from Shearer will continue to say nothing until the party has a vision. Which is a problem. But another problem would be if you were looking for acknowledgement of your grievances in those emails. The gallery (and the blogosphere) would whip themselves into a frightful frenzy over the prospects of a coup that may be very welcome on these pages, but does only harm from an incumbent’s perspective. And whatever persuasion of David you prefer, that’s the right way to approach the office. The leadership shouldn’t fall at the hands of speculation about the leadership, which is why the Garner piece is so disappointing (and why so many of Cunliffe’s antics last term were equally disheartening). So you’re right not to hold your breath, but if vindication is what you’re after it might pay to temper your expectations too.

            Anyway, my point in the first place was more about the perceptions of how the leader’s office worked, and how far off the mark perspectives like the original post are.

            • weka 12.2.2.2.1.1

              I can’t follow what you are saying. The original post doesn’t talk about how the leader’s office works.

              • Sufi Safari

                Now that’s tragic and moronic, but hardly surprising. It also helps shed light on the inspiration for the otherwise unfathomable, bizzarely kamikaze PR ‘strategy’ of Labour under Shearer.

                You should pay more attention.

                • Colonial Viper

                  Classic beltway-centric superiority complex.

                  • weka

                    Lol, is that what’s going on? I’ve been reading SS’s posts and finding them nonsensical. I guess I’m just not in the right club.

                • weka

                  That’s a big vague isn’t it? If you want to present some PR for Labour, wouldn’t it be better to try and engage with people here rather than just repeatedly telling them they’re wrong?

                  • Sufi Safari

                    Fair point both of you. It was vague and came across as superior. Sorry about that.

                    The excerpt I pulled…

                    Now that’s tragic and moronic, but hardly surprising. It also helps shed light on the inspiration for the otherwise unfathomable, bizzarely kamikaze PR ‘strategy’ of Labour under Shearer.

                    …as I read it was implicating Pagani as central to the current malaise in the Leader’s Office. Which may be an exaggeration in my mind of what it really said, but was cause for my contention that Pagani’s role was being overstated, which I think would be unfair to both Pagani and to the leader’s office. It’s probably immaterial in the big picture, but I thought I’d make a small stand for veracity while I was here.

                    In other matters, I think (hope?) if you reflect on my less curt posts, that I will be largely exonerated from the charge of running PR for Labour. Just some different viewpoints.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      …as I read it was implicating Pagani as central to the current malaise in the Leader’s Office.

                      Not talking about the MPs here, but it would help if some of the bloody staff realised that the answer does NOT lie at the bottom of the next bottle of Sav.

                      And Pagani isn’t a cause, so much as a symptom. That’s pretty clear to everyone here (or at least it is to me).

            • Olwyn 12.2.2.2.1.2

              Not sure what you are getting at with regard to “Cunliffe’s antics last term” since I did not notice any antics. Cunliffe is an elected, senior member of parliament, who won his seat with a big majority. He is entitled to hold, defend and promote a position on the party and its direction – more entitled than, say, an unelected consultant. If this is what you are getting at, I would not describe it as an antic, but as the fulfilment of a responsibility. A political party is not a mere management team, and the agreement behind collective responsibility should not rely on “put up or shut up” resignation from senior members.

              • Sufi Safari

                Hi Olwyn. I don’t disagree that any MP is entitled to “hold, defend and promote a position within the party”. But all too often what’s actually going on is MPs holding, defending and promoting their position within the caucus. I don’t think that undermining your colleagues is a constructive way to approach rebuilding the party or reconnecting with the electorate, and that goes for Garner’s sources as much as it does for Cunliffe and cohorts.

                My experience of David Cunliffe is that he’s a really nice guy, very effective at connecting with people, conscientious and enthusiastic. From where I was standing, he was also a guy who spent more energy plotting for the leadership last term than he spent on his portfolios, supporting policy development, or campaigning for the Party.

                To my mind, that made him more damaging to the party in the 2011 election than any influence John Pagani managed to achieve (or has since), both in direct impact on electorate perception and in the opportunity cost of an under-performing Finance spokesperson. Of course, that is merely my perspective, but for what it’s worth it might also go some way towards explaining why there is such a gulf between the membership and the caucus when it comes to support of David Cunliffe.

                • Olwyn

                  I am certainly no insider, so can only read the situation through external clues and my own perspective, which is left-leaning. As an outsider I did not see leadership ambitions at play, but I suspect retrospectively that Cunliffe, in believing that the party should be more to the left in its orientation than it has been since Helen Clark, stood his ground on this and annoyed people in doing so, rather than agreeing to be a red candle on a blue cake.

                • Colonial Viper

                  he was also a guy who spent more energy plotting for the leadership last term than he spent on his portfolios, supporting policy development, or campaigning for the Party.

                  Cunliffe increased his majority in New Lynn by 25%, from 4,000 to 5000. In a year that most Labour candidates slid hard. That’s not bad “campaigning for the Party” I would have thought.

                  To fill in time however, why don’t you have a reread of who Fran O’Sullivan said was “spending energy plotting for the leadership”.

                  This week’s deal was essentially put together by long-serving MP Trevor Mallard – who performed the numbers role when Helen Clark ran her coup against then leader Mike Moore.

                  But much of the real strategising started several months back when Shearer and close caucus allies such as former Labour list MP Stuart Nash seriously began talking about a post-election leadership tilt.

                  Influential members of the “commentariat” – particularly those of the right-of-centre persuasion – were informally briefed.

                  Shearer was promoted as having a modern international outlook; pro-business, pro-science and innovation, and not prone to the phony cloth-cap ideology that Goff had to dip into…

                  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10773689

                • Colonial Viper

                  First you say this

                  I don’t think that undermining your colleagues is a constructive way to approach rebuilding the party or reconnecting with the electorate

                  and then you go on with this

                  that made (Cunliffe) more damaging to the party in the 2011 election than any influence John Pagani managed to achieve (or has since), both in direct impact on electorate perception and in the opportunity cost of an under-performing Finance spokesperson.

                  Simply unbelievable hypocrisy.

                  • Sufi Safari

                    Neither Cunliffe nor Pagani are my colleagues and I’m not working to rebuild the party or reconnect with the electorate. I’m not sure hypocrisy is a fairly levelled accusation in this instance. But I do like how you removed the first three words from the second quote to help further your point.

                    Fran’s piece doesn’t ring true to me, although as much as I’d like to believe otherwise that doesn’t make it any less likely. But either way, the existence of a second stream of machinations doesn’t preclude the first. From what I saw (again please read that as the caveat it is meant to be) Cunliffe’s activities predated any thought of Shearer’s promotion by several years.

                    Still, Cunliffe’s success in New Lynn is testament to his skills as an electorate MP. He is personable and intelligent, and he built a dedicated team of supporters and volunteers around him, that continues to be an asset to him every time anyone raises the matter of the Party’s leadership. And I think all that electorate success would be just great if he was a backbencher in a marginal electorate. But he wasn’t, and my point about campaigning for the Party was more related to his willingness to engage with the broader campaign than his ability to return himself safely in New Lynn.

                    I still hold to the belief that the sniping and leaking and conniving that is coming from both sides of this apparent divide is equally unhelpful. But then perhaps that’s still partisan territory, hoping for stability in the leadership at a time like this…

                    • Colonial Viper

                      From where I was standing, he was also a guy who spent more energy plotting for the leadership last term than he spent on his portfolios, supporting policy development, or campaigning for the Party.

                      How could you have made the above observations if you weren’t also around Cunliffe during his portfolio work, his policy development work and his Party campaigning work? ie working with Labour Party MPs? That to my mind makes you a work colleague.

                      But I do like how you removed the first three words from the second quote to help further your point.

                      For clarity, the first three words you wrote were “To my mind”, which is a phrase used to make clear that the statement following is an opinion. Which (to my mind) was obvious from the statement itself.

                      Fran’s piece doesn’t ring true to me, although as much as I’d like to believe otherwise that doesn’t make it any less likely. But either way, the existence of a second stream of machinations doesn’t preclude the first.

                      If you were around Labour MPs enough to come to strong declarative conclusions about Cunliffe, you shouldn’t be coy about what O’Sullivan said about Shearer, Mallard et al. Tell us what you saw.

                  • Sufi Safari

                    That to my mind makes you a work colleague.

                    You’ve inferred too much… or maybe I’ve just overstated the extent of my exposure. We were never colleagues.

                    If you were around Labour MPs enough to come to strong declarative conclusions about Cunliffe, you shouldn’t be coy about what O’Sullivan said about Shearer, Mallard et al. Tell us what you saw.

                    I thought that’s what I’d been doing.
                    Anyway, I’ve got into bagging Cunliffe and that’s not really what I intended. He’s a capable guy with a strong case for leading the party at some stage and my opinions on whether he should be or how he achieves it are entirely immaterial. My initial point, rather lost in my subsequent ramblings, was that I think the kind of stuff that leads to pieces like Garner’s blog post is unhelpful. Whoever it comes from.

      • David H 12.2.3

        Red Alert????? I get one in my inbox every morning. From the WAREHOUSE.

  13. xtasy 13

    If I’d tell you tomorrow to take an organisational step, to organise and unite all disaffected, the unions, the low paid workers and so forth, how many do you think will turn up? Maybe 3 dozen is my answer! Because most of YOUR organisers FUCKED most of all this up with too many stupid marches never resulting in much of fringe grouup turnouts. So the LEFT is now associated with FRINGE orgos of sorts, and that is your fucking problem, all of you.

    In other countries it never got quite so bad, so the problem there is less severe.

    NZ needs to reconnect, wake up, re organise, re focus and get back to bloody basic workers and human rights that is the only solution, but sadly too many discuss trivial question time and other nonsense topics on this and other forums. Yo u are in danger of being LOST!

  14. Huginn 14

    You say:
    John Pagani tells the Listener that that he much prefers Kiwiblog because it “has a more reasonable tone than, say, the left blog the Standard, whose idea of political is embittered and angry and it’s therefore hard to read.’

    But the link you give has this:

    Then again, as left-leaning political-consultant-turned-commentator John Pagani notes, Farrar’s apparently easygoing tone might be among his greatest advantages. “He has a more reasonable tone than, say, the left blog the Standard, whose idea of political is embittered and angry and it’s therefore hard to read,” says Pagani, who has sparred often with Farrar on Newstalk ZB. “He is actually a seasoned political operative who intuitively knows pressure points for his opponents and much of what he publishes is cunning and designed to create political pressure, like a good parliamentary question.”

    Which is not the same at all.

    • xtasy 14.1

      That is why astute, alert and smart people detect this nonsense straight away, take a solid stand and shoot such crapology adherents down before they could ever even open their mouthes that lack the early morning anti bacterial mouth wash, so to say.

      Resulute, aware and sensible action is needed, but too many Labour leaders and activists either are of the convenient sleep in types (missed that uni days ended years ago), or they cannot be bothered to make a damned effort. If I want some bloody change and direction, I would have to bloody make an effort, which goes beyond blaming others and take bloody action!

      I think that is where some acticists in Latin America are way ahead of NZ, because they have no bloody alternative to get up, take action and bloody fight!

    • Carol 14.2

      Oh, dear.

      Instead of writing what they think, arguing the issues directly, and wrestling with the rationale for politics and policies, Standardistas are meant to be a bit underhand and manipulative and act like some focus-grouping corporate operators?

    • Jenny Michie 14.3

      Thanks Huginn. That’s exactly the point I was going to make. I think we’ve all drawn rather a long bow from that.

  15. Morrissey 15

    Josie Pagani once came out all guns blazing on NewstalkZB’s “The Huddle” and completely outclassed—and silenced—Cameron Slater and Larry Williams.

    So she CAN do it if she sets her mind to it. Sadly, however, most of her energy seems to be taken up with finding ways to be nice and agree with the likes of Matthew Hooton and David Farrar.

    I blame that useless husband of hers.

  16. Descendant Of Smith 16

    I can only reiterate my simple question of a few days ago:

    Does the Labour Party actually believe in an 8 hour working day, 40 hour working week as a matter of both principle and policy?

    I do not see believing in this as extremist left wing – and in fact many workers still enjoy this today – sometimes in surprising places. This was normal for most people when I started work and it’s not for my kids.

    This erosion of working rights for my children I see as very important.

    What I do see this as, is a fundamental tenet of the Labour Party. It’s one of the few things proclaimed loudly on the website.

    It’s not a difficult question to answer.

  17. I think that I am the “sexist thug [who] reads chicken entrails from my husband’s tweets to get an insight into my views”.  What I said was

    “After thinking about Josie Pagani’s bene bashing comments yesterday on Radio New Zealand I thought I would check out hubby John Pagani’s activities.
    It seems that his blog is down.  I wonder when that happened.
    He has recently sent a couple of tweets.  One of them says “Martin Hawes on buying shares in Mighty River.Excellent analysis. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/7466680/Ignore-hype-when-investing
    The Hawes article he links to is a cold hard financial analysis of the share float of MRP that does not mention Iwi claims or the risks that they pose.  Hawes’ conclusion is that ”[o]n all of these measures, MRP comes out well. It is in a good, stable industry providing energy from renewables, but with growth prospects as it sells its expertise in thermal power to other countries. It has strong finances and very good governance and management.”
    It would appear that Pagani thinks buying MRP shares is a good idea.
    Is he still speech writing for the Labour Party?”

    I plead not guilty to being a thug or to conflating her views with his.  But I do think that she was been bashing on National Radio.  And I am really keen to find out if John thinks buying MRP shares is a good idea.  

  18. IrishBill 18

    I disagree with both Paganis on just about everything however I’m uncomfortable singling them out for a bashing like this and share some of Sufi’s thoughts in comment 12. I don’t, however, think the leader’s office is in any great hurry to start talking to TS.

    • Huginn 18.1

      +1

    • King Kong 18.2

      I would genuinely like to know how much of Labour’s activist base and supporters you think the Standard represents.

      Demanding that the leader of the opposition consult with this blog is either the stuff of delusional fantasists or you guys know something about how important you are that I don’t.

      If it is based on readership numbers then that would require John Key to seek a weekly audience with Whaleoil.

      • King Kong 18.2.1

        Have I been banned?

        [lprent: Not that I can see. Have you done something for which you think I should ban you? If so could you please link to it and explain why. The rough and ready ruleset is in the policy.

        You probably just got caught by one of the auto-moderation rules that r0b wants me to review or one of the automatic systems - in which case you comment would have been been reviewed soon after.

        If you want to check that a moderator has banned you. Then use the search - Set advanced to comments only and put in "@author King Kong" (without the quotes) will bring up this. And it doesn't waste moderators time. ]

    • lprent 18.3

      I know what you mean. However I have been constraining myself since reading Josie’s post with it’s group demonising (ie take a few individuals behaviour and smear an entire group with it) not to mention her outright lying.

      Incidentally I had a peek at why I’d banned John off this site (which is what I guess that Josie is referring to) and the similarities as far as a moderator are concerned are rather more striking than the differences between the two. Group smearing, personal attacks based on self created strawman, playing the victim, etc are all well known tactics on blogs. I suspect that their respective gender is insufficient to overcome their similarities – mainly consisting of being puffed up arrogant fools in my opinion.

      I don’t really have much sympathy for either of them. Like the spout, I suspect that they have made the right choice of preferring the sewer at kiwiblog rather than here, because they will get challenged here and the policy means that their views will get challenged in detail. Their political leanings appear to me to reside at KB as well from what I can see.

  19. vto 19

    I’ve got an idea – how about Labour tell the country what its policies are what it will do when in power. I know its a novel idea, but give it a go. You could start with… hmmm… let’s see..

    What Labour will do to ensure the minimum wage becomes a living wage…

    What Labour will do about asset sales – those on the block now and all future asset / capital item matters…

    What Labour will do to stop New Zealanders having to compete with 4 billion people who don’t even live in the country when it comes to buying land? They could start by clarifying the benefits to NZ of foreign landlords…

    What Labour will do about Rape Crisis…

    … bloody pussy footing around arguing with each other and pulling each others hair. Pathetic. Nobody cares about that shit. People want to see housing take less of their weekly pay packet, schools keep on keeping on in their past good fashion, their minimum wage provide them an ability to live…

    Either Mr Invisible needs to start shouting and open his eyes wider, or Cunliffe should just start ignoring his egghead colleagues and speak loudly and frequently from his heart, which he has done before. Preferably both of them at once. Go on. Try it. You might be surprised at the result.

    • OneTrack 19.1

      Since the Greens are going to be in charge, how about they tell the country EXACTLY what they are going to do. There is a lot of warm fuzzy stuff – how about some details.

      For a start, Green-tech – where is the money going to come from, how much will it cost, what are we going to do and who are we going to sell it to?

  20. captain hook 20

    tiddlywinks anyone?

  21. Sanctuary 21

    First of all, Kathryn Ryan has a huge say in who appears on Nine-to-Noon as a political commentator, and if Chris Trotter is to be believed she’d rather die than allow a real left winger to regularly appear on her show. The constant offering up of pasteurised middle class soft liberals as “from the left” is deliberate RNZ (self?) censorship, the effect of which is to drag the centre to the right when they are paired with a hard right professional propagandist like Hooten.

    Secondly, Pagani (x2) both have become the symbols of the utter disconnect between an out-of-touch parliamentary party and the activist base. They are the symbols of the no bad kings, just bad advisors syndrome that is the last refuge of hope before civil war and the attacks on them amount to a sort of grand remonstrance (http://www.constitution.org/eng/conpur043.htm) contrasting the “dutiful and loyal counsels and endeavours of your (activists)” with the conspiracy of the Paganis and other unnamed evil counselors who are dragging the unwitting Shearer into National-lite centrism, and Labour with it.

    Of course, the reality was Charles I knew exactly what he wanted.

  22. ak 22

    Bomber’s on the money.

    Infighting is the eternal curse and cancer of the left, and here are two privileged paid employees pouring petrol on the fire in tankerloads.

    Inexcusable.

    And begs the question as to whence the initial spark.

    Labour/Alliance was the most promising Left development in decades. Until it spectacularly self-immolated over nothing.

    From memory both Paganis worked for the Alliance at the time.

    Now they’re calling committed Left activists embittered, angry, sexist, KKK thugs and shilling the sewer.

    Nasty pattern emerging.

    • blue leopard 22.1

      @ak
      Thoroughly agree.

    • Gosman 22.2

      Yeah the left is good at self immolation.

      It’s fun to watch from a diferent poilitical perspective I must state for the record.

    • Colonial Viper 22.3

      From memory both Paganis worked for the Alliance at the time.

      Now they’re calling committed Left activists embittered, angry, sexist, KKK thugs and shilling the sewer.

      Time to put Zarak and Gaeta back in their place.

      • pukeko 22.3.1

        Kāti te riri, whakarērea hoki te ārita; kei mamae koe, kei tākina kia mahi i te kino !

      • Mike 22.3.2

        I don’t think death threats are an appropriate way to make your point
        This has already become far too personalised as it is.

        • lprent 22.3.2.1

          I thought it was a reference to some characters in a daft scifi tv series that I generally avoid? What makes you think it is a death threat…

          Edit: Ok – I have just looked at whaleoil. I see that he has been indulging in his usual paranoid conspiracy theories and joining up way too many dots. Out of all of the possible meanings of having a few nasty characters in a TV show, he has selected the one that he prefers.

          He really is an juvenile idiot with a bit of a paranoid conspiracy complex..

          Next thing you know he will be implying that I’m gay because I have a “girls name”. Opps he has already done that. Or that an author here is someone in real life because they have a similar first name r0b vs Rob.. Umm he has done that as well.. Or he will decry everyone on a sickness benefit as some kind of bludger before going on one himself – perhaps he should give that to David Shearer…

          Basically the guy never grew out of being a schoolboy.

          • Inventory2 22.3.2.1.1

            lprent – I would have thought that Colonial Viper’s comment would have been pretty obvious in its intent once you put it into context with the Battlestar Gallactica reference:

            “After regaining control of Galactica and defeating the mutiny, Adama has Zarek and Gaeta executed by firing squad.”

            Obfuscate all you like; there’s only one way to read Colonial Viper’s comment

            Feel free to add me to the list of life bans. I’d hate to be like John Pagani and be wasting your time; or mine, for that matter. But one day you might wake up and realise just how much damage The Standard is doing to the cause of the Left, and to the Labour Party in particular. Take your time though; after the 2020 election will be fine.

            I bid thee farewell.

        • quartz 22.3.2.2

          Well you should stop making them then, Mike.

      • locus 22.3.3

        To liken the arguments of people who disagree with you as ‘like the KKK’ is Godwinism and reflects on the abuser’s intellect and morality.

        Of course anonymity on a blog does permit people to argue more disagreeably than they might on FB, but making defamatory comments using your real name on FB is no less odious than doing so on The Standard.

        To say that The Standard “deals out lifetime bans to anyone who disagrees with them” is ill-informed and begs the commenter to be pilloried. As for the accusation of sexism, the same law applies.

        To suggest that anonymous criticism by TS commenters of people using the ‘welfare bludger’ dogwhistle is playing into the hands of those who want to see Labour lose the welfare debate, is well…. irrational.

        Seriously, if a self-professed left-winger can’t bring themselves to read or engage in debate on the Standard because they find some commenters offensive, this suggests to me they have no interest in views that don’t match their own and don’t care about learning more about what drives left-wing thinking..

        As has been pointed out by many TS commenters, Shearer’s story about the guy who saw his neighbour up on a roof while on a sickness benefit was a manipulative attempt to portray Labour as a party that doesn’t tolerate welfare bludgers.

        It’s a shame that the Leader of the Labour Party is accepting advice (or personally deciding) that taking this line is the best way to win votes. Couldn’t he have found a better way to ‘speak’ to judgemental or prejudiced people about Labour’s toughness and intolerance of fraudsters?

  23. captain hook 23

    the thing is the two little pagis think they can play politics and hide behind their salaries without ever getting their hands dirty or facing any consequences from the proletariat.
    remember them?
    time for the P’s to stand up and be counted or try another game.

  24. Stephen 24

    I am completely opposed to the kind of rhetoric, strategy and policy that the Paganis advocate. I think I’m probably on the hard left side of the Labour party tent. But seriously: “two little paggis?” This pretty much proves their point. Are you 12 years old?

    • bad12 24.1

      Yeah right, children everyday go to school hungry, rheumatic fever is inflicting kids in swathes,in the far North and other hot-spots 3rd world diseases creep into the health statistics,

      The Pagani’s advice to Labour Leader Shearer,( and i don’t discount that he possibly thinks this way anyway), is that the poor are undeserving and ripping off the system,

      And YOU want us to play F**king nice, F**k you,

      One of the Pagani’s at least has been openly slagging beneficiaries any chance She gets as well as openly slagging those who would stand up in support of those beneficiaries,

      One of the J. Pagani’s is a public figure using the media to push the J. Pagani political message, that particular PIGani deserves every f**king slagging that PIGani f**king gets…

      • Jagilby 24.1.1

        Interesting how people are banned for far less than this vitriolic diatribe.

        I guess being “on message” excuses this behaviour.

    • Colonial Viper 24.2

      But seriously: “two little paggis?” This pretty much proves their point. Are you 12 years old?

      Oh come now, the art of political satire can’t be completely dead.

  25. vto 25

    Does anyone know if either of these strange pagani bananas has ever been on a benefit? Or David Shearer?

    Because like most things on the planet, until you have experience in something it is near impossible to speak with any authority on it.

    So, have they?

    • Carol 25.1

      vto, in the wide range of crucial political issues, we can’t all have direct experience of relevant activities.

      IMO, the more important quality is empathy – being able to imagine what it would be like for those in a worse situation than the one we are in.

      I would expect Labour Party people to have a lot of empathy for the least powerful in society, and that it wouldn’t be over-ridden by a desire to placate those who are better off and lack such empathy.

      • weka 25.1.1

        They could also have people who give them advice, who know what the fuck they are talking about eg one of the beneficiary advocacy organisations. Or someone in the disability sector who understands SB issues.

      • vto 25.1.2

        Of course Carol, we can’t all have experience of everything.

        I guess in my mind I was referencing it to the personal accusations they made against beneficiaries. The statements made indicated a level of personal knowledge and experience, which they clearly seem to lack completely. And if they so lack that experience then they need to moderate or qualify their accusations, lest they come across as fools.

        Some things in life are particularly heavy and really need experience to understand and pass decent comment on. Two biggie examples would include childbirth and war. Others slightly down the scale may include death of a young child, or the soul-sapping destruction of societal rejection such as unemployment.

    • bad12 25.2

      Larffffs!!! i doubt any of the Labour Caucus have ever been on a benefit and therein lies part of the problem of the glaring disconnect between Labour and a huge swathe of the New Zealand population,

      Theres a huge gulf in the debate where for their own purposes it has as usual been dragged down to it’s lowest common denominator,

      Labour, as National have done for years simply adds fuel to the fire of preconceptions about beneficiaries which are the province of a small slice of the red-neck vote in this country,

      Where the debate should be raging, and, we at the Standard should perhaps be mindful of steering that debate where possible should be in the question of AVAILABLE WORK,

      In other words, its a f**king given that the economy we have had imposed upon us CANNOT and NEVER WILL deliver anything like full employment in this country,

      It then becomes dishonest and disgusting for the likes of Shearer and His schism of Labour to begin to denigrate beneficiaries for supposed small time character flaws,

      The discourse need be shifted, how such a shift is accomplished is somewhat beyond me at present,nevertheless WE need be focusing the mind of the likes of Shearer upon the FACT that the ism that He wishes to use as economic management for this country DOES NOT and WILL NOT provide anything in the way of employment for the population than what it currently does,

      Further to that WE need to have Shearer and His fellow travelers move in that DIRECTION PUBLICLY differentiating from National in that the discussion can then turn to how we best resolve this issue of UNDER-employment,

      My view is that WE either move to an economy where the hours worked are rationed out among those who can work OR we begin now a discussion on how best to keep those WE DENY work to upon some form of economic basis where they too can interact with the economy based upon some NORM of income which we all understand…

      • Carol 25.2.1

        My view is that WE either move to an economy where the hours worked are rationed out among those who can work OR we begin now a discussion on how best to keep those WE DENY work to upon some form of economic basis where they too can interact with the economy based upon some NORM of income which we all understand…

        Yes, that. Any form of beneficiary bashing, or of separating the “deserving” or “undeserving” poor, is (among other things) a diversion from the main issue of the employment structure.

        • Colonial Viper 25.2.1.1

          And the employment structure is a direct result of a system which says that the only worthwhile work to be done in society is that which makes a return on that capital for the owners. All other roles in society are degraded.

          • Tracey 25.2.1.1.1

            All cleaners, everywhere should go on strike for one week. Then some folks will really know what “shit hitting the fan means”.

            • Colonial Viper 25.2.1.1.1.1

              I remain pissed off that the top union leadership did not band together and enforce nationwide stop work action against the ECA in the early 90’s.

              They could have sorted out a whole tranche of this neoliberal BS if they had, useless bastards.

  26. Tracey 26

    Frankly kiwiblog can be equably derisive and lowbrow as some here. I find the level of their vitriol, particularly toward women, maori, gays etc scary. I read Farrar sometimes, but not the threads, for the reasons stated above.

    However given the recent pagani advise to attack sickness beneficiaries I can see why he feels more comfortable at kiwiblog

  27. Tracey 27

    I find it scarier that National’s daily polling must be saying that the “people” agree with the release of this information. Which means that many in NZ believe the right to privacy is only for those in employment, or in employment without injury, or in employment other than teaching.

    We should be as concerned about the direction our fellow citizens wish to travel too.

  28. chris73 28

    and labour wonder why they ain’t in power…

    • xtasy 28.1

      chris73: Your line of thought and question are the perfect summary and close to this thread! It could not have been better worded and placed!

  29. Carol 29

    On Josie P’s truck driver who felt that neither National nor Labour were there for him. Did she ever explain what the truck driver ACTUALLY wanted from a political party? Or was the fact that he was male in a manual job meant to say it all?

  30. infused 30

    I don’t think you guys realise what this place has become. Don’t dare argue with the admins, insta ban.

    • IrishBill 30.1

      Perhaps we can be a touch sensitive but that’s a stance that’s founded in the days when we started up and had real troll problems which lead to every thread descending into a flamewar. I’ve barely banned anyone in the last year or two and you’re clearly able to comment here despite the fact you hardly ever agree with the moderators.

      I actually think we could do to firm our moderation up as I’ve not been happy with some of the behaviour of commenters (on the left and the right) for a few months but I’m not around enough to implement that kind of moderation fairly.

    • Colonial Viper 30.2

      Arguing with admins is a ban on most web forums.

      • IrishBill 30.2.1

        Well I’m an admin. In fact I’m one of the longest standing admins here, and I’m happy to have anyone argue with me as long as it’s done in good faith.

    • SHG 30.3

      Hell, I got banned for posting the results of a Roy Morgan poll with negative numbers for Labour.

      http://thestandard.org.nz/keys-vicious-cycle/comment-page-1/#comment-461844

      That’s… a touch sensitive.

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    Imperator Fish | 19-09
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    Midnight very soon and the election blackout begins. Please observe.  Good luck to our peeps.  Get out and vote!...
    Tumeke | 19-09
  • A Song For Election Day.
     THINGS HAVE CHANGED: One of Bob Dylan's more enigmatic expeditions, it captures to perfection the wayward impulses and bland excuses of twenty-first century life.People are crazy and times are strangeI'm locked in tight, I'm out of rangeI used to care,...
    Bowalley Road | 19-09
  • Remember ladies a woman’s place is in the revolution
    ...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Thank you to all the suffragettes who made tomorrow possible 121 years ago ...
    ...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Hey Civilians! You can take our H-ches but you’ll never take our Hamilton
    ...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Captain Hamilton says “Yo there citizens vote positive tomorrow, two tick...
    Sue Moroney – Hamilton West Clive Allen – Hamilton East Nanaia Mahuta – Hauraki Waikato Christine Greer – Waikato...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Even the election signs are starting to pack up, getting ready to go home
    ...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • None so blind as Key
    ...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Hamilton’s going to the dogs under National
    Hamilton’s going to the dogs under National * Vote Positive, Two Ticks Labour * no dogs were harmed in the making of this post...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Labour’s 2014 Closing Address
    The election campaign is now drawing to a close - in a few hours, campaigning will end and the final voting begins! Thanks to all of our dedicated volunteers for their hard work over the course of the campaign.If you...
    The Jackal | 19-09
  • Internet MANA closing address
    Why party vote Internet MANA?• If you want NZ to lead the world in green technologies• If you want the Internet to remain open and free• If you object to mass surveillance by the government• If you want to see...
    The Jackal | 19-09
  • Party Vote Green: our closing broadcast
    For a cleaner, fairer, smarter New Zealand - Party Vote Green.http://greens.org.nz...
    The Jackal | 19-09
  • The Civilian Party Closing Address
    Tomorrow, we need your vote, New Zealand. Not just for us. Not just so that we can be in government. But also for you; so that you may have ice cream, a llama for your child, freedom from Hamilton, and...
    The Jackal | 19-09
  • Always look on the bright side of life
    ...
    Arch Rival | 19-09
  • Moments of Political Truthiness in New Zealand’s mainstream media
    This very well prepared graphic from Paul Le Comte is an excellent representation of how mainstream media has spun poll results to their audiences.  In Paul’s graphic you will see the following: A headline: Moment of Truth gifts Team Key...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • One of these cats wants you to rate them tomorrow
    The other is a National party politician Vote Positive, Vote two ticks Labour...
    Politically Corrected | 19-09
  • Vote Positive, Vote Labour
    Its the end of the weirdest campaign ever in our little corner of the Pacific. There will be time, regardless of the result tomorrow, to sift through the detritus of Dirty Politics, spying, copyright infringement, the political corpse of Mrs...
    Polity | 19-09
  • The Perplexing PETM
    The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) around 56 million years ago is perhaps the most studied of the many episodes of global warming in the geological record, but it still has plenty of puzzles. Professor Daniela Schmidt has written an article in "Geology"...
    Skeptical Science | 19-09
  • Prediction
    Following my discovery that other people are allowed to vote in this election thing that is going on - and here I was thinking all the fuss was about me and my vote and nothing else - I have decided...
    Left hand palm | 19-09
  • Decision
    I am pleased to announce that, after much consideration, I will be casting my electorate vote in Palmerston North for Mr Iain Lees-Galloway.Deciding on my party vote proved much harder.In 2002 and 2005, I voted for the Alliance - the...
    Left hand palm | 19-09
  • Web hosts’ defamation liability restricted
    In a significant Court of Appeal decision (see Murray v Wishart), hot off the press, the judges have unanimously ruled that a third party publisher (the owner of a Facebook page that contained comments by others) was not liable for...
    Media Law Journal | 19-09
  • Noo!
    Scotland went to the polls in a referendum on independence yesterday, and while the last results are still coming in, appear to have voted "no". Its not the result I wanted, but the people have spoken. In the leadup to...
    No Right Turn | 19-09
  • So, predictions…
    I’ve been keeping track of the polls with my Poll of Polls (final update here), but of course polls technically aren’t prediction devices. They ask the question, “If an election were held today/tomorrow”, and are therefore only so useful when...
    Occasionally erudite | 19-09
  • IED Bradbury
    Poor Marytn. Not a good week for Mana, and not a good day for him. Let's review the tape: First, here's Martyn's initial post: With so many political forces lining up to take Te Tai Tokerau’s mana from the voters...
    Polity | 19-09
  • My election predictions
    Everyone else is doing it, so why shouldn't I have a go? Here are my predictions for what is going to happen....
    Imperator Fish | 19-09
  • Busytown: Good as gold
    Everyone should have read the book by now. No, not Dirty Politics (although you should have read that too). The other one that came out quietly at the end of last year and has become the silent witness to this entire election...
    Public Address | 19-09
  • What Is This Election About?
    Vox Populi, Vox Dei: The Voice of the people, is the voice of God - or the Devil. It depends in the end on what sort of people we are, or have become. THIS ELECTION is about us – the people...
    Bowalley Road | 19-09
  • Zoning out – is it time for a review?
    18 September 2014     The last few years have seen rising inequality between schools and the erosion of students’ right to attend their local school. These are just some of the impacts of the current school zoning policy that PPTA...
    PPTA | 19-09
  • Election eve nightmare for National
    The bad news for National and their leader, John Key, has been unprecedented during this election campaign. First there was the release of a book by Nicky Hager called Dirty Politics that threatened to derail the right wings campaign entirely.However,...
    The Jackal | 19-09
  • Hard News: Friday Music: Lovable Munter
    I know I've banged on quite a bit about Courtney Barnett lately, but oh my goodness she was great at the King's Arms this week. Her wordy, nerdy songs, her weird guitar-playing, her rockin' band and her lovable-munter persona, they...
    Public Address | 19-09
  • Vote
    Today is Suffrage Day, the 121st anniversary of the day women won the right to vote in New Zealand. Its rightfully a day on which we celebrate our democratic heritage (and it should be a public holiday, dammit). Its also...
    No Right Turn | 19-09
  • The story’s not done yet – a final post
    I think I'm going to skip the office sweepstake. I just don't know and I don't think anyone knows because undecideds, turnout and late movement could make a huge difference. This election campaign has simply been so volatile I think...
    Pundit | 19-09
  • Poll of Polls update – 19 September 2014
    It’s time for the final pre-election Poll of Polls update! We’ve had the last Herald Digipoll and Fairfax Ipsos poll results this morning, so we’re good to go. (If Roy Morgan suddenly publish a three-day poll this afternoon, then bugger...
    Occasionally erudite | 19-09
  • John Key’s Top 69 Lies: Today no. 1 – I promise I will always be h...
    John Key on HonestyTranscript: 22nd September, 2008Paul Henry: Do you promise you’ll never do that (mislead the public) if you become the prime minister? John Key: I do promise I’ll never do that.Paul Henry: Do you promise you will always be honest.John...
    Arch Rival | 19-09
  • Rail and congestion relief
    A conference by the Traffic Institute – a group primarily made up of councillors and officers from a number of local authorities around the country to represent views on road safety and traffic management – held its annual conference earlier this...
    Transport Blog | 19-09
  • Last Minute Election Prediction – Percentages and Who I believe Will Be T...
    Just 30 hours or so until we start hearing the results of this years general election here in beautiful New Zealand.  Most intelligent Kiwis are determined this year to get out and vote out the incompetent, dishonest and obviously corrupt...
    An average kiwi | 19-09
  • The Giant Strolls Out to Gaze Upon His Handiwork
    A little historical perspective on the eve of the Election for your mild amusement.....The Evening Post's immediate post-Election coverage in 1908:"All the long day that giant called "the people" worked his will upon the candidates, and in the evening he...
    Sub zero politics | 19-09
  • Ending “scientific” whaling
    Last night at a meeting in Slovenia, the International Whaling Commission closed the "scientific" whaling loophole, voting by a clear majority to enforce the International Court of Justice's ruling and require that such whaling actually be done for science. Future...
    No Right Turn | 19-09
  • Meanwhile, in Bomberland
    Today, Bomber hit back at this week’s MaoriTV poll which shows Te Tai Tokerau going down to the wire. Hit back, I say! His counter-evidence is a different poll of Te Tai Tokerau voters, by an independent polling outfit I'...
    Polity | 18-09
  • Will Judith Collins cost John Key his third term?
    So, apparently there will be an election tomorrow. If you haven't yet voted, you should do so by 7pm tomorrow. Otherwise one of the Electoral Commission's kill squads will hunt you down and leave your body lying in the street...
    Pundit | 18-09
  • All Over Bar the Shouting ?: My Predictions for the 2014 New Zealand Genera...
    So it's come to this, has it ?Having made extravagant promises in previous posts about completing a detailed Two-Parter analysing Poll support for each party in the 18-month run-up to the last two Elections and then, building on that analysis,...
    Sub zero politics | 18-09
  • 2014 General Election: Chris Trotter’s Prediction
    Your vote is your voice  - use it and be heard! National: 43.5%Labour: 27.4%Greens: 13.5%NZ First: 8.0%Conservative Party 4.0%Maori Party: 1.0%Internet-Mana: 1.0%Act Party: 0.5%United Future: 0.1%Others: 1.0%This posting is exclusive to the Bowalley Road blogsite....
    Bowalley Road | 18-09
  • Hard News: A call from Curia
    The phone rang last night and when I picked it up, a young woman said "Hi, is Russell there please?" It turned out that we didn't know each other. She was working the phones for Curia Research, the National Party's...
    Public Address | 18-09
  • Vandal
    It was great to have the chance to write "5 new taxes" on the Labour bus in Birkenhead just now. #WorkingforNZ pic.twitter.com/iBGgccM3Ap— Jonathan Coleman (@jcolemanmp) September 18, 2014...
    The Jackal | 18-09
  • Our democracy is at stake
    Another day, another story about the National government's corrupt abuse of the OIA - this time from Customs:A former high-ranking Customs lawyer says he resigned from his job after allegedly being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government....
    No Right Turn | 18-09
  • Election down to a knife edge
    Based on an average of the last four polls, and my prediction about who will retain their electorate seats, here's what the MMP seat calculator shows:I've kept United Future's Peter Dunne in as I believe the boundary changes in Ōhariu will...
    The Jackal | 18-09
  • Age is a number
    The polls have closed in Scotland and the count has started. Aside from the excitement of a nation voting on whether or not to become independent (peacefully!), there are a few other quirks about the referendum that have drawn notice....
    The little pakeha | 18-09
  • Last Poll of Polls
    Three new polls in the last 24 hours, five in the last few days. One day to go. And here’s where the Polity Poll of Polls puts things: National: 47.8% Labour: 25.4% Greens: 12.4% NZ First: 6.7% Conservatives: 3.9% InternetMANA:...
    Polity | 18-09
  • Maritime Union backs change of Government to put workers first
    A change of Government is required to deliver secure jobs and decent wages for New Zealand workers....
    MUNZ | 18-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Predators on Poverty – Harawira
    “As poverty has ballooned out of control, the Predators on Poverty have emerged to suck the lifeblood from whole families and communities” said MANA Movement leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira. “They are deliberately targeting low-income areas, particularly those...
    Mana | 11-09
  • MANA Movement Policy Launch
    Predators on Poverty (pokie machines, alcohol outlets and loan sharks) 1pm, Thursday 11th September Corner Great South Road and Criterion Street Otahuhu Shopping Centre...
    Mana | 10-09
  • Eliminating Poverty – Sir Edmund Hillary Collegiate, Otara | Internet MAN...
    A campaign to Eliminate Poverty, Feed the Kids, build more houses, and create thousands of new jobs, was outlined by Internet MANA at a public meeting in Otara this evening. When MANA and the Internet Party first sat down to...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Housing in Waiariki – Sykes
    Fact:  Under this National-Maori Party-ACT-United Future Government 61% of Maori in Waiariki do not own their own home and nearly 70% of Maori rentals in Waiariki pay $200 or more per week. “Maori in Waiariki have low rates of home ownership...
    Mana | 09-09
  • Charter school crisis shows time to axe costly experiment
    Dysfunction from day one at a Northland charter school shows it is time to dump this costly and failed experiment by the National-ACT Government, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Te Kura Hourua ki Whangaruru received $27,000 in government funding...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Labour will crack down on loan sharks
    A Labour Government will crack down on predatory loan sharks by making it illegal both to charge exorbitant interest rates and to exploit uninformed borrowers, Labour’s Consumer Affairs Spokesperson Carol Beaumont says. Labour today released its Consumer Affairs policy which...
    Labour | 08-09
  • Let’s do the FEED before the weed
    “Last week I put out a very strongly worded email to my colleagues about an online promotion about cannabis law reform” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira “and I stand by that criticism today.” My concern was...
    Mana | 08-09
  • TE KAEA and NATIVE AFFAIRS live to fight another day
    “I understand that both the chair of the Board of Maori Television, Georgina Te Heuheu, and new CEO, Paora Maxwell, are now saying that my comments this morning about their plans to cut Te Kaea and Native Affairs, were wrong, and that...
    Mana | 08-09
  • How come the PM only pays 2.8% of his income in tax – Harawira
    “Before John Key talks about the piddling tax cuts he plans for low and middle income families today he needs to explain why he only pays 2.8% of his income on tax while a minimum wage worker pays 28% tax,”...
    Mana | 07-09
  • THE DEATH OF INDEPENDENCE FOR MAORI TV
    “If what I’m hearing is true, tomorrow Maori Television Service (MTS) will dump its news programme, Te Kaea, and staff will lose their jobs” said MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira “and the Minister of Maori...
    Mana | 07-09
  • Labour recommits to Pike River families
    An incoming Labour-led government will do everything possible to recover the bodies of the Pike River Miners and return them to their families, says Labour Leader David Cunliffe. “This tragedy and its aftermath has left the families of the 29...
    Labour | 06-09
  • Voting has started and still no tax plan or fiscal budget for voters to see
    "Even though voting for the election has already begun, National still refuses to provide any details of its proposed tax cuts. And Bill English admitted this morning that he won’t provide any specifics until after the election", Labour’s Finance spokesperson...
    Labour | 06-09
  • National’s partners’ tax plans cost at least $42 billion
    If National forms the next government its partners’ tax plans will cost the country at least $42 billion, and maybe as much as $50 billion, wreaking havoc with the books, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Parker. “National claims to be...
    Labour | 05-09
  • Labour: Providing more opportunities for young Kiwis
    A Labour Government will ensure every young Kiwi under the age of 20 is given the opportunity to be in work, education or training, and plans to develop a conservation apprenticeship scheme to help do that, Labour’s Youth Affairs spokesperson...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Candles out on teachers’ slice of birthday cake
    Today may be Novopay’s second birthday, but there’s little to celebrate, Labour’s Education spokesperson Chris Hipkins says. “Novopay has cost the taxpayer tens of millions of dollars already, and the cost is still climbing....
    Labour | 04-09
  • National’s blatant broadband pork barrelling misses the mark by a country...
    National’s blatant pork-barrelling ICT announcement today should reinforce a growing sceptical electorate’s view that they are all about the gift wrap and not the present, Labour’s ICT spokesperson Clare Curran says. “Instead of addressing the real issues - the woeful...
    Labour | 04-09
  • More evidence of the need to clean up the system
    The latest release of emails and messages between disgraced Minister Judith Collins and blogger Cameron Slater are more evidence of the urgent need to clean up politics, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. "This new evidence confirms a near constant flow...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Labour commits to stable funding for voluntary sector
    A Labour Government will establish long-term funding and streamline contract accountability for community and voluntary groups, says Labour’s spokesperson for the sector Louisa Wall. Announcing Labour’s policy for the community and voluntary sector, she said this would give much greater...
    Labour | 04-09
  • Better trained and skilled workforce under Labour
    Labour is committed to a skilled workforce that benefits businesses as well as their workers, and will increase workplace training to improve productivity and drive innovation, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “Labour believes the Government should support New Zealanders into...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will make renting a better option
    Labour will provide greater security of tenure for renters, and build more state and social housing, says Labour’s housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “Labour believes every kid deserves a decent start in life. That means a warm, dry and secure home....
    Labour | 03-09
  • At least 15 new taxes under National
    John Key is the last person to talk about creating taxes, presiding over a Government that has imposed at least 15 new taxes, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “John Key tried a novel line in the debate last night claiming...
    Labour | 03-09
  • Labour will strengthen New Zealand’s democracy
    A Labour Government will act quickly to protect and enhance New Zealand’s reputation as one of the most open and least corrupt countries in the world, Labour Leader David Cunliffe says. “The health of any democracy is improved by greater...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement says tax cut on GST must be first priority – Minto
    “If Prime Minister John Key has money available for tax cuts then cutting GST must be the first priority”,  said MANA Movement Economic Justice Spokesperson John Minto. GST is a nasty tax on low-income families”, said Minto. “People in the...
    Mana | 02-09
  • The Maori Party’s Mana-Enhancing Relationship with National – Minto
    “First we had Cameron Slater and David Farrar backing Labour’s Kelvin Davis bid to unseat MANA Movement Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Hone Harawira.  Now we have Slater writing a pro-Te Ururoa Flavell article on his website, Whale...
    Mana | 02-09
  • There’s Only One Poll That Counts
    “One of the oldest sayings in politics is that there is only one poll that counts – the one on Election Day – and that’s the one that I am focusing on” remarked the MANA Movement candidate for Waiariki, Annette...
    Mana | 02-09
  • Local communities critical to Civil Defence
    Labour will focus on empowering New Zealand communities to be resilient in Civil Defence disasters, says Labour’s Civil Defence spokesperson Clare Curran. Announcing Labour’s Civil Defence policy, she says that Labour will work with schools, voluntary agencies and community groups...
    Labour | 02-09
  • Labour looks to long-life passports, gambling harm review
    A return to 10 year passports and a review of gambling laws are highlights of Labour’s Internal Affairs policy released today. “More than 15,000 New Zealanders signed a petition calling on the Government to revert to the 10 year system...
    Labour | 02-09
  • MANA Movement Leadership stands strong behind Internet MANA relationship
    “There is now, and always will be, a range of views about many issues within our movement and members are free to express them, but Georgina’s views on Kim Dotcom are not shared by the MANA Movement leadership or the vast majority...
    Mana | 01-09
  • Rebuilding the New Zealand Defence Force
    A Labour Government will make it a priority to rebuild the capacity of the Defence Force to carry out the tasks expected of it, says Labour’s Defence Spokesperson Phil Goff. Releasing Labour’s Defence Policy today he said the NZDF has...
    Labour | 01-09
  • The attempt to kill off Internet MANA
    It’s the last day of campaigning today and the long list of those attacking Internet MANA got longer yesterday with Winston Peters backing Labour candidate Kelvin Davis against the MANA Movement’s Hone Harawira. Davis is now supported by Labour, National,...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • A final word on the election – it’s now all up to you
    Brothers & Sisters, the fate of Aotearoa is now all in your hands. We here at the Daily Blog have thrown everything we can at this bloody Government and have spent every waking hour of this campaign trying to highlight...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – ...
    I can’t tell what is National Party advert and what is the NZ Herald – but then again, I never could...
    The Daily Blog | 19-09
  • TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why Nati...
    TVNZ election coverage – white people telling other white people why National Party is great...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • REVIEW: Royals of Kihikihi
    What an absolutely stunning show.  I had to ask twice to check I’d heard right that this is the first staged production for Samuel Christopher, who also played a raw, real, but vulnerable, Wolf Royal, home from London for his...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • 800 Cops to detain 15 ‘terrorists’ – why Australia’s hysterical Isl...
    I’m sorry but I can’t take this current Australian terror threat seriously. 800 cops to detain 15 people and arrest one of them? A week after Abbot decides to send in Australian forces to the cluster fuck of Iraq, suddenly...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Unbelievable corruption inside Government to attack Kim Dotcom
    The corruption inside this Government just more and more filthy – we now have an ex-Customs Lawyer quitting  after being told to bury information that could embarrass the Government, specifically to do with Kim Dotcom… Curtis Gregorash said he was told...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Everyone Loves A Win-Win That Keeps G...
      Permit me to quote some figures at you… -68% of New Zealanders think political news on television focuses too much on politicians’ personalities and not enough on real issues. This is the key result of a recent UMR survey commissioned by...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of ...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, another week of being the most in demand broadcaster in the country...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • EXCLUSIVE: Te Tai Tokerau independent poll (44% Hone-27% Kelvin) vs Maori T...
    The Te Tai Tokerau Maori TV poll on Monday this week painted a bleak picture for Internet MANA supporters, and it’s results have been seized upon by Labour, NZ First and even the Maori Party (who seem set once again...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The time for TPPA weasel words is over
    Almost every day of the election campaign there has been a policy announcement that would potentially run foul of what I understand is currently in the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA):  more constraints on foreign investment or investors … regulation of...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • MELTDOWN – Maori Party turns on their own Te Tai Tokerau candidate – ag...
    The tensions are building in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party on the verge of meltdown. Days out from the election, the Maori Party Executive has tried to heavy their own Te Tai Tokerau Electoral Committee and their own candidate, Te Hira Paenga,...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • We Can Change this Government
    We Can Change this Government – Mike Treen at the First Union stop work election meeting...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Election 2014: For and Against
    With the general election tomorrow, we have had a very noisy campaign but little sign that the electorate wishes for a fundamental change of governmental direction. This reflects in part the fact that the economic cycle is close to its decadal...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eye To Eye Uploaded: Martyn ‘Bomber’ Bradbury
    This interview was filmed a couple of weeks ago between Willie Jackson and myself, I was a tad off with my prediction of NZ First....
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The Donghua Liu Affair – The Players Revealed
      . . – Special investigation by Frank Macskasy & ‘Hercules‘ Speculation that the Beehive office of Immigration Minister, Michael Woodhouse, was behind the release of a letter linking Labour leader, David Cunliffe, with controversial Chinese businessman, Donghua Liu, is...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold NZ d...
    It should read ‘never stop spying’. As if you needed another reason to boycott Telecom/Spark – they sold us down the river to the US by allowing the Southern Cross cable to be tapped… The ability for US intelligence agencies...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work
    The final days of the campaign are ticking down and Labour and NZ First are manoeuvring to kill off the Internet MANA Party by both backing Kelvin Davis for Te Tai Tokerau. It’s a risky gambit that they better pray to Christ...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Bill English’s latest insult to beneficiaries – apparently they are lik...
    National’s hatred towards the poor continues unabated as National desperately try to throw raw meat to their reactionary voter base in the hope to inspire enough hate and loathing to win back their redneck voters from the Conservative Party and from...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Eminem ain’t happy with John Key
    Eminem ain’t happy with John Key...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Key claims he did not inhale
    Key claims he did not inhale...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Final prediction on election result 2014
    What an election campaign. The character assassination of David Cunliffe kicked things off with the Herald on Sunday falsely claiming $100 00 bottles of wine, $15 000 books and $150 000 in donations  from a donor that turned out to be...
    The Daily Blog | 18-09
  • Live blog: Bainamarama takes commanding lead in Fiji elections
      Interview with Repúblika editor Ricardo Morris and Pacific Scoop’s Mads Anneberg. PACIFIC SCOOP TEAM By Ricardo Morris, Mads Anneberg, Alistar Kata and Biutoka Kacimaiwai in Suva WHILE the results are provisional at this stage, it is clear today that...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 5AA Australia: NZ Elections Two Days To Go! + Edward Snowden + Julian Assan...
    Recorded live on 18/09/14 – Captured Live on Ustream at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/multimedia-investments-ltd 5AA Australia’s Peter Godfrey and Selwyn Manning deliver their weekly bulletin: Across The Ditch. This week, they discuss the latest news as New Zealanders go to the polls on...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What has Colin Craig done for his Press Secretary to quit 2 days before ele...
    This is VERY strange.  Colin Craig’s Press Secretary Rachel McGregor, has quit 2 days before the election, allegedly telling ZB that Colin Craig was a “very manipulative man”. I’ve met Rachel many times in the past as Colin’s Press Secretary, she is...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” – A brief w...
    “If you want steak, go to the supermarket and buy steak,” said Key in the final leaders debate. Problem of course is that the 250 000 – 285 000 children living in poverty can not afford steak, milk, butter, eggs...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • National’s final bash of beneficiaries before the election
    On cue, whenever National feel threatened, they roll out a little bennie bash just to keep their redneck voter base happy. Nothing like a bit of raw meat policy to keep National voters focused on the evil threat solo parents...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • With All Of This In Mind, I Vote
    This is my last blog before the election and I really just want to speak from the heart. Right now in this country it seems to me that a lot of people consider the “essentials” in life to be simply...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Left has to vote strategically this election
    The dedication, loyalty, and tribalism of party politics means that sometimes the left lets itself down by not voting strategically. We all want our favoured party to get maximum votes, naturally, but the winner-takes-all approach doesn’t always suit multi-party left...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Dear NZ – as you enter the polling booth, stand up for your rights
    The last days before a NZ general election are a busy time as politicians make their pitch and party activists prepare to get out the vote. It is sort of weird watching from the distance of Europe the strangest election...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • What is Waihopai, John, if it isn’t a facility for “mass surveillance...
    John Key assured us on RNZ’s Nine to Noon programme yesterday that “In terms of the Fives Eyes data bases… yes New Zealand will contribute some information but not mass wholesale surveillance.” How does this square with the operation of the...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Catherine Delahunty – Mass Surveillance and the Banality of E...
    Renowned journalist and intellectual Hannah Arendt coined the phrase “the banality of evil” to describe the normalisation of genocide in Nazi Germany. I thought of her phrase when I was listening to Glenn Greenwald and other international whistle-blowers talking about...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Election. Down. To. The. Wire
    Funny how last week it was John Key winning by 50%, now it’s neck and neck. I have always believed this election would be down to the wire and it is proving so. The flawed landline opinion polls the mainstream...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • 3rd Degree uses Whaleoil for story ideas as if Dirty Politics never happene...
    TV3s 3rd Degrees smear job on Kim Dotcom last night doesn’t bear much repeating. It was pretty pathetic journalism from a team who have brought us some great journalism in the past. It is sad to see 3rd Degree stooping...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Live blog: Bainimarama takes early lead in Fiji’s election
    Pacific Scoop’s Alistar Kata reports from yesterday’s voting. By Alistar Kata of Pacific Scoop in Suva Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama took an early lead in provisional results in the Fiji general election last night. With provisional results from 170 out...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Has The NSA Constructed The Perfect PPP?
    Former intelligence analyst and whistleblower, Edward Snowden – speaking live to those gathered at the Auckland Town Hall on Monday September 17, 2014. Investigation by Selwyn Manning. THE PRIME MINISTER JOHN KEY’s admission on Wednesday that whistleblower Edward Snowden “may...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • No way – Key admits Snowden is right
    After claiming there was no middle ground. After claiming there was no mass surveillance. After calling Glenn Greenwald a henchman and a loser. After all the mainstream media pundits screamed at Kim’s decision to take his evidence to Parliamentary Privileges...
    The Daily Blog | 17-09
  • Bad luck National
    ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • The incredible changing John Key story on mass spying – why the Moment of...
    While the mainstream media continue to try and make the Moment of Truth about Kim’s last minute decision to prolong his battle against John Key past the election into the Privileges Committee, the reality is that the Moment of Truth...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Themes of the Campaign
    There’s one area of a political campaign that just about everyone, at some point, falls afoul of. The campaign song. I’m not sure quite why it is, but it seems to be almost impossible for political parties to come up...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Denis Tegg – The NSA slides that prove mass surveillance
    The evidence presented by Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden on The Intercept of mass surveillance of New Zealanders by the GCSB is undeniable, and can stand on its own. But when you place this fresh evidence in the context of...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland
    The Ukrainian civil war discomforts me. It seems to me the most dangerous political crisis since the Cuban missile crisis of 1962. And it’s because of our unwillingness to examine the issues in a holistic way. We innately prefer to...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • John Key’s love affair with a straw man – the relationship intensifies
    John Key’s love affair with the straw man is now a fully-committed relationship. It’s now the first love of his life. Sorry Bronagh. Yesterday I pointed to Key’s constant assurances that there is no mass surveillance of New Zealanders by...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • A brief word on why Wendyl Nissen is a hero
    Wendyl Nissen is a hero. The sleazy black ops attack on her by Slater and Odgers on behalf of Grocery Council chief executive Katherine Rich is sick. All Nissen is doing in her column is point out the filth and...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • She saw John Key on TV and decided to vote!
    . . NZ, Wellington, 15 September – ‘Tina’* is 50, a close friend,  and one of the “Missing Million” from the last election. In fact, ‘Tina’ has never voted in her life.  Not once. In ‘Tina’s’ own words, politics has...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Eminem sues National Party for unlawful use of ‘Lose yourself’ bhahahah...
    …ahahahahahahahaha. Oh Christ this is hilarious… National Party sued over Eminem copyright infringment US rapper Eminem is suing the National Party for allegedly breaching copyright by using his song Lose Yourself in its campaign advertisements. The Detroit-based publishers of Eminem’s...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • Are the Greens about to be snookered by a Labour-NZ First Government?
    I wrote last week that it was smart politics that the Greens pointed out they could work with National, the soft blue vote that’s looking for a home in the wake of Dirty Politics isn’t going to Labour, so the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • BLOGWATCH: Fonterra join 2Degrees and boycott Whaleoil
    In the wake of Dirty Politics, advertisers are pulling their advertising out of Whaleoil. PaknSave, Evo Cycles Pukekohe, Localist, 2 Degrees, Fertility Associates, iSentia, NZ Breast Cancer Foundation, Maori TV, Bookme.co.nz, Dobetter.co.nz and the Sound are now joined by Fonterra...
    The Daily Blog | 16-09
  • PM Key accused of allowing secret ‘spook’ cable sensors to spy on citiz...
    Pulitzer prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald (left) and Kim Dotcom at the “moment of truth” political surveillance meeting in Auckland last night. Image: PMW By ANNA MAJAVU of Pacific Media Watch NEW ZEALAND Prime Minister John Key has been accused of...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Fiji pre-election ‘politics’ blackout stirs media protests, frustration
    BLACKOUT DAY – Monday, day one of the “silence window” in Fiji leading up to the close of polling in the general election at 6pm on Wednesday. And this is under the draconian threat of a $10,000 fine or five...
    The Daily Blog | 15-09
  • Daily Election Update #12: NZ First to hold balance of power
    Winston Peters’ NZ First Party will hold the balance of power after tomorrow’s election, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Mr Peters is then expected to back a National-led...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election Day is Time to Refocus on Policies
    Over the course of this election campaign there has been a lot of focus on dirty politics and spying, and not a lot on policy. With election day looming, Gareth Morgan is calling for people to refocus on the issues....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • The Kiwi FM Alternative Election Commentary
    Saturday 20 September from 7pm on 102.2 Auckland, 102.1 Wellington, 102.5 Canterbury, or KiwiFM.co.nz...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Beneficiary Bashing unacceptable
    Kay Brereton of the Beneficiary Advocacy Federation of New Zealand says “ the comment made by Bill English yesterday comparing beneficiaries to crack addicts is shocking and incredibly poorly timed.”...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • UN Experience Beneficial
    Acclaim Otago representatives have just completed their participation at the UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disability examination of the New Zealand government in Geneva, Switzerland. "It was an interesting two days which we believe has...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Changing face of NZ should be reflected in newsrooms
    With Fairfax Media’s Journalism Intern search closing on Sunday, Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy is urging aspiring journalists from Maori, Pacific and ethnic communities to apply. The deadline was recently extended to 10pm, Sunday...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • SPCA expresses concern over toxin in waterways
    Ric Odom CEO of Royal NZ SPCA has expressed concern over the toxic poison 1080 entering waterways, but DoC, Council’s and Ministry of Health have colluded to make it legal....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ 2014 Election Index – 13-18 September
    Below is iSentia’s final weekly Election Index, covering the period 13-18 September and showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. The methodology used...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Epsom Candidate (Adam Holland) More Liberal Than ACT
    For the past four years I, like 500,000 other New Zealanders, have been illegally smoking cannabis for medicinal purposes and/or even just for the occasional laugh with friends on the weekend. We don't hurt anybody, we don't cause nuisance, we...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Left Coalition Will Save Dolphins
    A left coalition would safeguard both Māui and Hector’s dolphins, as well as revive our inshore ecosystems. Labour, Internet Mana and the Green Party all have strong policies in place for dolphin protection. The Maori Party, and to a certain...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Waihoroi Shortland: Ngāti Hine is not standing alone
    The Chairman of Te Rūnanga a Iwi o Ngāpuhi, Sonny Tau is blowing smoke worthy of a Dotcom rally with claims that Ngati Hine is standing alone in its opposition to Tūhoronuku says the Chairman of Te Rūnanga o Ngati...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Oceania voices on environment loud and strong
    While money and energy continues to be spent on global talks about climate change, Pacific islanders are scrambling to build sea walls out of sticks, stones, shells and coral, to protect their lands and homes from erosion and rising sea...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Prime Time with Sean Plunket – Tonight
    No MPs tonight --- the campaign will be over at 9 30. Instead we will look back --- and possibly forward on what we have learned and what might happen. Listener Political Columnist Jane Clifton Editor in Chief, NZ Herald,...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Election fails to address youth financial wellbeing
    Young people don’t feel included in New Zealand’s financial success and believe inequality is a problem, according to a new survey conducted by Westpac’s Fin-Ed Centre at Massey University....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Winston’s Waffle doesn’t hide the facts
    The Conservative Party is celebrating the ASA's finding announced today that rejected all but one of the complaints raised against its controversial “Conservatives or Peters” pamphlet. “Despite pages of complaints from Peters legal team the only...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • NZ Independent Coalition looking forward to tomorrow
    “Our team is looking forward to tomorrow. It is a real opportunity to reclaim politics for the people,” said NZ Independent Coalition leader Brendan Horan....
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Insights Issue 35/2014 – 19 September 2014
    Insights Issue 35/2014 - 19 September 2014 In This Issue • RMA reform the golden unicorn of policy | Jenesa Jeram...
    Scoop politics | 19-09
  • Special voting arrangements made for NIWA crew
    One of the most unusual polling stations for this year’s general election is in the middle of the ocean miles from land. NIWA’s flagship research vessel Tangaroa, has been doubling as a polling booth for crew and scientists at sea....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Tourism operators urged to vote strategically
    Tourism operators should make sure they know their local candidates’ view on tourism and use their vote to support the country’s second largest export industry, says Chris Roberts, Chief Executive, Tourism Industry Association New Zealand (TIA)....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • WGTN: March for free education
    We are students, university staff, and members of the community. Whichever parties form a government after September 20th, we are demanding an end to corporatisation of education....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Evidence of Corruption a National Scandal
    Internet Party leader Laila Harré will take evidence of corruption to international forums if there is not a full Royal Commission to investigate the growing evidence of the systematic use and abuse of democratic institutions and processes for political...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt continues to throw money at charter school experiment
    Official documents reveal the three primary sector charter schools approved last week will cost $2 million to set up as well as divert another $1.5 million of potential taxpayer investment from local state schools next year....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ACT Final Election Rally
    Elections campaigns are an opportunity for political parties to put candidates and policy to enable voters to choose what sort of New Zealand we want. In this campaign there have been three tests by which you can assess the electoral...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Taxpayers on Hook Again for Solid Energy
    Responding to the Fairfax article that taxpayers are extending another $103 million to keep Solid Energy afloat, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Invermay Petition Tops 10,000 Signatures
    People across New Zealand continue to express their disgust at the downgrading of Invermay, says Dunedin North MP David Clark, as the Save Invermay petition he instigated earlier this year topped the 10,000 signature mark just days before the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar vows to continue fight for police
    Garth McVicar stated at a public meeting last week that he would fight to retain a 24/7 Police Station in Napier and no reduction in the number of police staff for the Hawkes Bay region, some said he was simply...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Party Vote Our Weapon in Fight Against Government Corruption
    Internet MANA urges New Zealanders to use their party vote to confront corruption in any new government....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Election day is tomorrow – make sure you’re a part of it!
    Tomorrow, Saturday 20 September, is election day, and New Zealanders’ last chance to have a say on who leads the country for the next three years....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Is the Shape of our Government out of the hands of Voters?
    In the last stuff.co.nz / Ipsos Political Poll before Saturdays election, National is down 5.1% to 47.7% and Labour up 3.7% to 26.15%. These results are remarkably similar to the 2011 election where National received 47.3% of the vote and...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Spirit of Suffrage a Call to Action for All Kiwi Women
    Internet MANA is drawing on the courage and integrity of New Zealand women on Suffrage Day – Friday, September, 19 – to encourage them to pay tribute to the spirit of their foremothers who gained women the vote....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Live Election Night Coverage on TV And Online
    Māori Television’s KOWHIRI 2014 – ELECTION SPECIAL kicks off at 7.00pm this Saturday with a five-hour broadcast focusing on the Māori electorates....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Judge’s Decision Disappoints Fish & Game
    Today’s decision to give a Temuka man 100 hours of community service for selling sports fish to the public has disappointed Fish & Game, which believes the sentence handed down was “too lenient and will not go far enough to...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Cutting-Edge Graphics Fire up TV3’s Election Night Coverage
    TV3’s Election Night coverage, hosted by John Campbell, will be enhanced by cutting-edge graphics that will showcase the night’s results....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Govt rushes to open charter schools in New Year
    The government’s decision to approve four new charter schools last week to open in January next year goes against the Minister of Education’s own advice that the schools ought to have at least a year’s preparation time....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • 7 Days And Jono And Ben at Ten Hijack Election Weekend
    The 7 Days and Jono and Ben at Ten (JABAT) comedians are running their own version of election coverage, with a schedule of entertainment and comedy across TV3, Kiwi FM, the web and social media this Friday and Saturday under...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Fewer Prisoners Equals Less Crime
    In its latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and other Crazy Stuff’,’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html , Rethinking Crime and Punishment urges government to rethink its approach to releasing prisoners. “The public expectation is that the excellent reductions in the crime...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • McVicar slams his political opponents
    I want a safe and prosperous society and that can only be achieved if we have strong and vi-brant families – McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Falling economic growth – wage rises overdue
    “The lower GDP growth in the three months to June is further evidence that growth has peaked. New Zealand’s economy is on the way down to mediocre growth rates,” says CTU economist Bill Rosenberg. “Yet wage rises are still weak...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Get Out and Vote campaign a success
    Tens of thousands of workers from all around New Zealand have embraced the Get Out and Vote campaign and have created their own personalised voting plan, the CTU said today. “With three days of voting left in the 2014 General...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Animal Research Failing – So Do More Animal Research?
    Victoria University of Wellington is about to host a lecture on why the success rates of pharmaceutical development is so low and what can be done about it. The New Zealand Anti-Vivisection Society (NZAVS) welcomes discussion on this important...
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • ALCP welcomes Prime Minister’s cannabis comments
    Mr Abbott's comments came on the same day as New South Wales and Victoria states announced they would be doing clinical trials of cannabis....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • Conservative Party Press Secretary Resignation
    The Conservative Party is given to understand that this morning Press Secretary, Miss Rachel Macgregor resigned althought no formal advice of this has yet been received....
    Scoop politics | 18-09
  • By ACT’s logic, Epsom should vote for Conservative Candidate
    “Polling released late in the campaign shows that ACT is a busted flush and that by ACT’s own logic, centre-right Epsom voters should vote for the Conservative candidate”, says Labour candidate for Epsom Michael Wood....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • New online medical system
    Immigration New Zealand (INZ) is seeking registrations of interest for a new onshore panel physician network to support an online immigration health processing system....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Students, You Have a Choice, Vote!
    The New Zealand Union of Students’ Associations (NZUSA) is imploring students to ensure they make their voices heard this election, and join the many thousands who have already heeded the call....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Party vote ACT for three years of stability.
    Voters who are concerned that on the latest polls we may be heading for three years of instability have it in their hands to deliver a decisive result....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Women’s Suffrage Movement – Get Out and Vote!
    Tomorrow, Friday 19th September, MANA Movement Candidate for Waiariki, Annette Sykes, will cast her vote at 12 noon at the Zen’s Building, Rotorua. This will follow a march through Rotorua that will assemble at 10am at City Focus, Rotorua. The...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • iPredict Daily Update
    David Cunliffe and Labour have made gains over the last 24 hours, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict, but John Key’s National is still strongly expected to lead the next...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Conservative’s Proposal to Abolish Parole Fatally Flawed
    The Conservative Party’s proposal to abolish parole doesn't stack up, however which way you look at it, concludes Kim Workman in Rethinking Crime and Punishment latest blog, ‘Abolishing Parole and Other Crazy Stuff’ at http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/09/krill-and-womble-independent-policy.html...
    Scoop politics | 17-09
  • Special Edition : The letter 18 September 2014
    Dr Jamie Whyte has been giving thoughtful speeches largely unreported. So we thought we would put out an edited version on the speech he gave yesterday. The full speech is on the website....
    Scoop politics | 17-09
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