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Unity and democracy

Written By: - Date published: 6:42 pm, August 22nd, 2013 - 190 comments
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With a new leadership race there’s now a real chance to bring the Labour party together to fight the good fight against the right.

Make no mistake the vultures of the right are circling with an eye to use the approaching leadership challenge as an opportunity to drive wedges into the party. It’s up to all of us, members, caucus, affiliates, to make sure that no such opportunity is presented.

Which is not to say there shouldn’t be a robust process and a strong competition. But regardless of what happens once the dust clears we must be ready to take the right on – so much of what we want for our country depends on it.

Regardless of who stands and who you support once those nominations are made, we must use this open and democratic process as a chance to make our movement stronger. It has always been our unity that allows us to foot it against the right’s big money, and when we are not united we are weak.

In that spirit the Standard would like to offer any Labour MP standing for leadership the opportunity to post here and speak directly with the people who support you. Just get in touch.

And any of you who have let you membership lapse or have thought about joining but haven’t? It’s time to sign up.

lprent: As a retrospective, we made the same offer in 2011. These were the three guest posts then. They were published as we received them. We’ll follow the same procedures now.

David Cunliffe
Grant Robertson
Nanaia Mahuta

190 comments on “Unity and democracy”

  1. Core_Labour_Voter (Tory troll) 1

    Timely reminder. Very much appreciate the enthusiastic post.

    • Takere 1.1

      Well it looks like it’s up to the Greens & NZF to get rid of the Nat’s! Labours dog tucker now! Long time Labour voter, see yah! Off to Mana & the Greens! Indefinitely!! Cuntlifes worthless, he won’t connect with the 880,000 non voters and brown people don’t like him. Green voters won’t jump ship for him or Robertson.

  2. Nordy 2

    Well put IB – discipline and purpose are essential to political success.

    • Linz 2.1

      And also speed. John Key could call a snap election. He can probably get one of his MPs to cross the floor on something trivial, claim, like Muldoon did that he’s lost his majority, and bingo… snap election. Muldoon called his on 14 June 1984 for 14 July. One short month. Just imagine if Key decided to pull a stunt like that in the next few days?

      • weka 2.1.1

        Muldoon didn’t have Waring cross the floor on something trivial. I don’t think even Key/NACT are that stupid to try a snap election without a good reason.

      • Puddleglum 2.1.2

        On the snap election point, Winston Peters seems to be banging that drum too:

        I think that it’s time for some people to reflect on where they want to go because a few months from now the political scene will change and I think will change dramatically and those parties that are in opposition need to be aware of that.

        • weka 2.1.2.1

          How do you get ‘snap election’ from that?

          Maybe he means: Cunliffe will be King and behead the ABCs and then Labour, GP and NZF will take NACT to the cleaners ;-) (I just made that up, I don’t think that’s what WP eas meaning).

          ie, Peters’ statement is as per usual ambiguous and intriguing in a way that serves Peters but the rest of us are left guessing. The guy couldn’t make a straight statement if he tried.

  3. BM 3

    With a new leadership race there’s now a real chance to bring the Labour party together to fight the good fight against the right.

    How about not worrying what the right is up to, let them do their thing.
    But instead, focus more on presenting an alternative functioning government with ideas and policies that the majority of New Zealanders can relate to and get behind, political bitch fights appeal to no one and is probably the main reason people have such a poor regard for politics.

    Currently there is only one major party on the NZ political scene and that is National and to be honest that’s not a good thing.

    • IrishBill 3.1

      That’s kind of my point.

      • BM 3.1.1

        That’s good.
        Hopefully the next team flags the “lets just spend all our time attacking John Key because once people click that he’s actually a complete bastard they’ll vote for us ” strategy.

        Because lets face it, it’s complete shit and the main reason Labour struggles to stay in the 30% range.

  4. lurgee 4

    Is there anything stopping John Key calling an election tommorrow? Apart from the fact it would look utterly, utterly cynical, to the point that even the rump of semi-content Middle New Zealand would see through it?

    Other than that, the Labour party (and its hangers on hereabouts) haven’t exactly modelled discipline thus far. Why should we expect a change, just because the poor sap in charge has changed? It’ll still be the same discontented, venomous, factionalised rabble. The aforementioned sap will simply cop it from a different sector, and will make minimal impression on the Key phenomenon because the sap will be drawn from the same unsppeakably shallow talent pool as the last one. Any pool where David Cunliffe seems to be the biggest fish must be very small and very shallow.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.1

      I smell fear :)

      • lurgee 4.1.1

        Realism. Perhaps you associate it with fear as you live in a fantasy world?

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 4.1.1.1

          Perhaps your perspective is that of someone who feels constrained by their life in a provincial town.

          • lurgee 4.1.1.1.1

            On the contrary, living in Palmerston North leaves one immune to terror. As John Cleese pointed out, it’s about as close to being dead as you can get, so the real thing holds no dread. And there’s a lot of time to think, and damn few pleasant illusions.

  5. Richard 5

    Timely post. I look to The Standard for support and hope in these days of Tory tyranny. But way too often it looks like a bitchfight. Unite fellow lefties! Focus on the enemy, not your allies.

    • Colonial Viper 5.1

      NB Labour is an economically centrist capitalist party with liberal social leanings. Not much for the left wing on that fare.

      • Richard 5.1.1

        Great. Took one comment for the negativity. Well done.

        • lurgee 5.1.1.1

          Eh? Where have you been for the last 20 months. Plenty of disunity and negativity over that time.

          Funny how the squabbling factionalists immediately start calling for unity as soon as they assume their man is in like Flynn. Wait until he is again “denied” by the “ABC old gaurd” and the “members’ voices are ignored” and so on. Then see how long the unity lasts. That’s just the way it goes on the left, it seems.

          (Incidentally, as I’ve pointed out before, I supported Cunliffe the first time round. So don’t start on that. But I abhor disunity more than factional difference.)

          • Richard 5.1.1.1.1

            Dude you’ve missed my point – it’s the disunity that pisses me off. Let the Standard be a place for those who want rid of Key and National.

            • weka 5.1.1.1.1.1

              CV made a statement of fact about Labour. You can disagree with him on that, but to suggest that he shouldn’t voice his opinion is to say that there should be no dissent. Which means that all Labour party members should think the same or at least keep their mouths shut in public. How would that serve the left exactly?

              Disunity would be CV, a Labour party member, doing something to undermine the party or other members.

              • Richard

                Who said that? Of course there are factions, varying degrees of opinion. But have you ever noticed how the trolls are absent from Standard posts where we are ripping each other to shreds (as opposed to rational debate).
                As an aside, I believe the internet was the cause of the rise of National. All the Young Nats started blogs and were never seen in public. That meant that they weren’t seen making nerds of themselves on TV at election time, and putting off anyone under 30 from voting National.

              • Colonial Viper

                To people like Richard, the fact that I am not being a ‘good compliant follower’ is tantamount to undermining the party.

                What Richard hasn’t figured out is that Labour actually has to earn it’s stripes as a left wing party, it can no longer continue to cruise on its (increasingly ancient) left wing history.

                Also notice how Richard took my pointing out of some very basic truths about Labour as being “negativity”. You can see more of it in his follow up – the game as he sees it is about unseating Key and National, not about examining your own team’s problems too closely. Because clearly, if you don’t look at your own team’s problems critically, then no one else will be able to see that there are problems either. It’s nuts.

                In summary – Labour is an organisation which is still deeply in denial about some fundamentals, and an organisation which is unable to learn.

                There are plenty of people in the party and in caucus who are honestly and deeply surprised why David Shearer didn’t work out the way that they thought he would.

                No idea of reality outside the Wellington bubble.

                The party of the “broad church” representing “all New Zealanders” but sitting on just circa 30%-34% support.

                • McFlock

                  And you have an overwhelming desire to yell from the rooftops that labour isn’t exactly the party you want it to be.

                  I shudder to think what you’d be like delivering a eulogy – the mourners would be treated to a fifteen minute diatribe as to why Labour isn’t left wing, oh and Jim was a nice bloke, too.

                • Richard

                  Sigh…three more years alone on your ideological highground. Meanwhile National run riot. Would you rather have john Key in power than Labour, warts and all? I ask that question in all sincerity because I am really confused which side you are on?

                  • McFlock

                    I really think he would.
                    CV’s had a ball of a time being a member of a party that he obviously despises.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      CV’s had a ball of a time being a member of a party that he obviously despises.

                      What do you care, Mr Supposedly Alliance man?

                    • McFlock

                      I note a lack of denial there, cv.
                      Personally, I prefer a non-national government over Key and the ability to whinge that the world would be better if all political parties on the left did exactly what I wanted.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      The world is turning a bit more my way recently. Time for you to get used to it.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    It’s not MY fault that National are “running riot.”

                    There is a Labour caucus which earns almost half a million dollars a month who get paid to act as Opposition to National.

                    Why don’t you challenge them as to why National are still “running riot” 5 years into Government. Perhaps you’ll do better with a bit less blind faith.

                    As for “ideological high ground”. I’ve got some. What the fuck do you have?

                    • Tracey

                      Given the Standard is constantly stating, and it’s in their policy here, that it is NOT a labour party vehicle, why shouldn’t CV voice his desire for a left wing party and claim that Labour is not it?

                      If everyone agrees all the time we get the National party..at times lacking compassion, selflish and seething, with occasional breakouts like Collins speaking our for free speech as well as voting for the GCSB. They believe that being seen to agree all the time is better than healthy challenges. They probably fight behind closed doors, I certainly hope so.

                      Anyone who thinks that Labour have magically changed because Shearer stepped down in my opinion delude themselves. It’s not for me to speak or clarify for CV but it seems to me this is what he is pointing out… You can change the horse but if you use the same cart…

                • lurgee

                  “In summary – Labour is an organisation which is still deeply in denial about some fundamentals, and an organisation which is unable to learn.”

                  Would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. We don’t live in a leftwing majority country. People are not voting National because there is no leftwing alternative. They are voting National because they quite like National policies.

                  We live in a country that has consistently voted right or centre right since we lost Kirk. And even he was only a little bit of a smidgeon of an iota to the left of centre. No-one is going to suddenly discover a vast leftwing constituency that has hitherto been overlooked and silent.

                  The choice is – as ever – a defensive one. Hold the centre and preserve what we have, with the very occasional opportuntiy to make things a little bit better, or march off into the leftwing wilderness, and make the party absolutely irrelevant and unelectable.

                  • Galeandra

                    Speak for yourself.

                    ‘march off into the leftwing wilderness, and make the party absolutely irrelevant and unelectable.’
                    That’s a bullshit trope and you know it.

                    There are a hell of a lot of people who understand that there’s something fundamentally wrong with NZ’s embedded poverty, inequality and social disempowerment. Look at the strong responses to the infant ‘lurches into the wilderness’ such as CGT and electricity market policy.

                    I quite agree with CV: we do need to lead the way into a future that is equitable and sustainable, in a world which is circling the vortex. The Greens have been offering that vision for several years now, and their baseline support is at least 10% of the voting public.

                    Join McFlock’s little jihad and consult your own buttocks if you want, but don’t presume to speak for me.

                  • I think you’ll find that every election in the 1990s demonstrated a majority vote for parties that promised to halt or even reverse the 1980s reforms. That started with the landslide to Bolger in 1990, sadly followed by Ruth Richardson’s continuation of the ‘reforms’ (I put the stats into a comment on a thread a few days ago – the information is on the elections website).

                    Similarly, in 1978 and 1981 Labour won more votes than National. In 1984 people did not expect a right wing government when they voted in Labour (and anti-Muldoonism went right across the political spectrum).

                    In 1987 there was an interesting apparent exception, although Labour’s line (delivered by Lange) was that it was now time for Labour to do ‘the good stuff’ after a term doing all the reforms. It was supposedly going to be back to what Labour was traditionally known for – positive change in the areas of education, health and social security … Ah, well.

                    In short, New Zealanders have traditionally voted left of centre since the mid-70s but have very often got right of centre (or worse) governments. A curious trend, partly explained by FPP, partly by various degrees of deception/betrayal from parties that didn’t act as they could reasonably have been expected to act (including NZ First in 1996).

                    • gobsmacked

                      Puddleglum is spot on.

                      The election results have been pretty consistent. There is no right-wing majority – especially on economic policy. I’d like to know what Lurgee’s analysis is based on, it’s rather “unconventional” to say the least.

                    • srylands

                      “I think you’ll find that every election in the 1990s demonstrated a majority vote for parties that promised to halt or even reverse the 1980s reforms. ”

                      Perhaps we can repeal the Public Finance Act so a government can cook the books like Muldoon.

                      Is that one of the “reforms” you would like to see abolished? Or we could gut the RBA Act and go back to 20% inflation.

                      Most of the population has grown up after the reforms. Anyone now under 40 can’t relate to the Polish Shipyard.

                      You are deluded.

                    • lurgee

                      I composed a long and beautifully written post which would have absolutely convinced you that you were a worthless, error-strewn harlot and your ownly route to salvation would be to accept my rightness in all things. Then the internet ate it.

                      In bief, I think you make the same error as gobsmacked did – I posted that NZ “has consistently voted right or centre right” and you seem to overlook the ‘centre right’ bit. Bolger triumphed on a centrist manifesto, not a particularly leftwing one. That’s been the pattern ever since, unless you are going to buy into Farrarspeak about Helegrad and the demented idea that Clarke-Cullen-Goff and the rest of them were seething trots.

                      Also some stuff about what right might mean in different contexts – neo-lib, rural conservative, Muldoonesque authoritarian madness. It was all very clever, I asssure you, and now probably being read by John ‘Muldoon redux’ Key, courtesy of the GCSB bill being passed.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Is that one of the “reforms” you would like to see abolished? Or we could gut the RBA Act and go back to 20% inflation.

                      Or perhaps we can gut the RBA Act and go back to full employment.

                    • Tracey

                      NZers see themselves as caring. Who likes to think they are not? We are conservative folks by nature (who likes change) who want people to think we care, and do care.

                      That’s the true “hot ” button in my opinion and it’s how Key got in. Look at Salmon’s quote from 2007 about democracy… “brighter future”… that’s what they played to.

                    • Tracey

                      For some reason Srylands you assert an all or nothing type mentality on reforms. Not ALL reforms need to have been bad or failed to warrant some being wrong and in need of reforming.

                      As for calling people “deluded” you are sidling toward emotional rhetoric. And you said you didn’t care enough to be emotional over politics ;)

                    • Hi lurgee,

                      I see your argument but I think what the election voting shows in the 1990s is a resistance to the continuation of the Douglas ‘reform’ process. Sometimes that meant ‘having’ to tick the ‘centre right’ box (e.g., 1990) because there was no ‘centre left’ left. This is a quote cited in a UC thesis (p. 352) from Vowles and Aimer’s (1993) book on the election:

                      the National Government imposed yet more dramatic change [which] continued along the path of Labour’s economic policies, popularly known as ‘Rogernomics’, despite the severity of Labour’s electoral defeat on the basis of the same policies” (Vowles & Aimer 1993, p.8). National squeaked home in 1993 largely because of the FPP system.

                      As for different definitions of ‘left’ and ‘right’ – that’s true at a conceptual level. However, research has shown that people are remarkably consistent in how they place political parties on a left-right continuum, irrespective of the nominal complexity of the terms.

                      I can’t find the research on the internet but it was mentioned in Gerd Gigerenzer’s 2007 book ‘Gut Feelings: The intelligence of the unconscious‘.

                      There may have been further good argument in your lost comment but, as things stand, I would still conclude that the evidence is more suggestive of an electoral tendency – especially through the 1990s – to lean towards the centre left, whenever possible.

                • lurgee

                  “To people like Richard, the fact that I am not being a ‘good compliant follower’ is tantamount to undermining the party.”

                  Oh, come on, CV. Look at some of the things that have bene said about Shearer on this site over the last 20 months. Maybe not be you, perhaps, but by plenty of others – didn’t someone brand him ‘Stumblefuck’ or something similar? And plenty more besides. Continually. There’s a point where not being ‘a good compliant follower’ blurs into undermining. Not saying you are, but many have been. Probably the same ones who will be loudly demanding a ceasation of criticism, and lobbing accusations of undermining in all directions, if Cunliffe wins.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Nothing to do with me mate. Blogs don’t matter is what I heard from Wellington.

                  • Tracey

                    CV undermined Shearer??? How? By stating his opinion on a blog not affiliated to the Labour Party? Come on some of you are being a bit precious.

                    CV and I don’t always agree, but stating that his comments on a blog undermine Shearer and the Labour party???

                    I hope Shearer remains very close to the leadership of the party because I believe this is where his skills lie… all parties need a mediator, hopefully those vying for leadership have learnt this. Otherwise it will be same man, different pants

                • burt

                  What Richard hasn’t figured out is that Labour actually has to earn it’s stripes as a left wing party, it can no longer continue to cruise on its (increasingly ancient) left wing history.

                  Exactly right CV, most half witted folk who love the colour of the flag and have no idea of what policy actually is while they fight some imaginary battle of red v blue don’t seem to work this out.

                  I was a proud Labour supporter once. I donated my time and energy to promoting the party – then they lost their way and became focused on [being seen to be] punishing the rich while actually punishing the middle earners.

                  A left wing party wouldn’t steal from the middle to give to the rich – this is what Labour policy has achieved for about 20 years now….. All the time pretending to help the poor while actually delivering them high inflation, high interest rates and access to easy finance which has buried most of them. Meanwhile complicated tax laws that are designed to look like they punish the rich actually create loop holes that allow the high earners to scoff at the middle earners carrying the burden.

                  The lovers of power at any price have become what they fight against – a popularist party with their only objective being staying in government rather than working for the people – even if that means being noisy opposition rather than sold old government.

                  • Tracey

                    “Australia has old-fashioned union arrangements and needs “a dose of Margaret Thatcher,” says Mark Adamson, the British chief executive of Fletcher Building.

                    On a media call following the release of Fletcher’s annual profit, Adamson said he had been “amazed” at both the level of salaries and inefficiencies in Australia. He took the top job at Fletcher last October, having run the company’s Laminex & Panels division, based in the US.”

          • gobsmacked 5.1.1.1.2

            Wait until he is again “denied” by the “ABC old gaurd” and the “members’ voices are ignored”

            There will be a leadership contest. Not perfectly democratic, but much more so than the old caucus coup.

            In the course of this contest, the candidates can make their case, and the voters make their choice. If the winner is Cunliffe, the “old guard” can choose between leaving in 2014 (which several are likely to do anyway) or supporting the new leader. If the winner is someone else, the Cunliffe voters can make a similar choice. I’m sure 90% would swing in behind the new leader.

            Your comparison with Shearer’s leadership is wrong. The whole point was … he wasn’t given the job the right way, or for the right reason. And so he was doomed from the start.

            • McFlock 5.1.1.1.2.1

              If the winner is someone else, the Cunliffe voters can make a similar choice. I’m sure 90% would swing in behind the new leader.

              I’m not. And I think that assuming that was one mistake caucus made when they selected Shearer in the first place. Probably more significant than the actual selection, in my opinion.

              • Colonial Viper

                Mate in your opinion Labour was right on track, polls trending positively, regardless of who was in the top job, cardboard cut out or whatever.

                • McFlock

                  up until the 6-8week consecutive drop recently, yes.

                  • IrishBill

                    I think that the new rules will mean that whoever takes the leadership next will do so with a much more clear mandate than the last leader. Which should make a difference.

                    • McFlock

                      hopefully.

                      There is of course what happens if someone gets over the line based on union and caucus votes trumping a majority membership decision.

                      Or, indeed, the die-hards who (upon discovering that their candidate has not quite the support they assumed) who decide that the bulk of the membership are “Oriental Bay Socialists” or whatever it was.

                      Sigh.
                      Peace declared in this war, on to the next one…

                  • lurgee

                    That drop was looks like a Roy Morgan glitch as their recent release has indicated. Labour Green was still out polling National. Or something like that. Didn’t fully investigate the data as events have rather overtaken.

              • One Anonymous Knucklehead

                What makes you think a party like Labour will ever be anything other than inherently fractious?

                Especially now, as economic paradigms fail and the Pacific assumes greater global strategic importance?

              • Ant

                Most people swung behind Shearer and gave him a chance, but then he pulled dole fiddler on the roof and it was all over rover.

              • weka

                But it’s likely that the membership didn’t swing behind Shearer simply because he was crap at the job. You can’t compare the next non-Cunliffe leader to that unless s/he is also crap at the job.

                • McFlock

                  I reckon crap is in the eye of the beholder.

                  I’ve no data on whether “the membership” failed to swing behind shearer, or if it’s just that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

              • gobsmacked

                I think the leader will be Cunliffe anyway, which would make it moot.

                But any leader elected by the new system will have garnered a significant vote from outside caucus.

                And of course, the new leader will be Not-Shearer, so less likely to produce the energy-sapping facepalms that killed his tenure. Loyalty is a lot easier if you’re not cringing.

                • McFlock

                  What at least it would do is stamp on all the silent-majority arguments of “the membership [or at least me] think that …”

                  As for the cringe and the facepalms, as I said above crap is in the eye of the beholder.

                  • gobsmacked

                    Well yes, but it takes quite an effort to avoid beholding what the voters behold in countless interviews, debates and general wafflefests.

                    No more Shearer on BFM, or Rhema, or Hauraki, or Newstalk ZB, and all the rest …. that’s worth thousands of votes right there.

                    • McFlock

                      Funnily enough, that’s true. I’d watch the interviews and speeches, and there never as many ums and ers as would be posted by forehead-slapping cringers . Not at all…

              • geoff

                The big mistake was going against the membership. If you fuck the membership off then you have no labour party, simple as that. Happened in the 80s and it has happened again.
                Put in a leader that the membership wants and dissenters in the caucus will keep their mouths shut if they know what’s good for them.

                • McFlock

                  The big mistake was going against what I want (and what I therefore assume what the majority of members want)

                  Fixed it for you

                  • geoff

                    I guess we will see, wont we…

                  • Lanthanide

                    Honestly McFlock, I think it’s more you who are holding the “what I say is what is best for Labour” point of view with your obsessive support for Shearer, more than anyone else.

                    • Akldnut

                      +3

                    • McFlock

                      Support for Shearer? Show me a single comment where I’ve said that Shearer was the best leader for labour, especially in the last year.

                      I’ve tried to hold two consistent themes:
                      1) blowing shit out of proportion will not win an election, but lose it by supplying ammunition for tories; and
                      2) saying that there is only one person who can be the difference between a “neoliberal” leaning labour party and a socialist labour party that wins is a dangerous and irrational delusion that sets oneself up for disappointment.

                    • Lanthanide

                      Well others are in agreement with me, that if that is what you were actually trying to get across, you did a very poor job of it.

                    • McFlock

                      Still waiting for an example of where I said shearer was the best person to lead labour.

                      Frankly, I suspect it’s another example of how people read what we expect, rather than than what was actually written.

                    • Lanthanide

                      I never claimed that you said Shearer was the best person to lead Labour, so I’m not going to “produce evidence” to back up a claim I never made.

                      “Frankly, I suspect it’s another example of how people read what we expect, rather than than what was actually written.”

                      Pot calling kettle black?

                    • McFlock

                      I included myself in that, as indicated by use of the word “we”.

                      So apparently I’ve been obsessively supporting someone who I’ve never actually said is the best person to lead labour?

                      Okay. Show me where.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      McFlock, you were the ultimate oblique passive-aggressive defender of Shearer as Labour Leader. It was funny to watch a self professed “Alliance supporter” at it quite so hard.

                    • McFlock

                      CV, yes, that must be it.

                      I was fiendishly defending Shearer by making the outrageous claim that (for example), people shouldn’t lose their rag at every poll fluctuation when the trend still indicated a likely left government (notwithstanding your passive-aggressive redefining of “left wing” to exclude the labour party if it’s led by anyone other than golden boy).

                      As for the stunning claim that publicly (and loudly) suggesting caucus members one doesn’t like are “neoliberals” (simply because they have not focussed on the single point of policy one cherry-picked) is not conducive to either assisting the party one is a member of to rise in the polls nor to having those caucus members give a flying fuck about what one suggests in the future – that suggestion was obviously also a veiled support for shearer as leader.

                  • Tracey

                    If you respect Shearer and he decides he is not best for Labour as its leader why wouldn’t you respect that decision and focus on the future.

                    I always believed and stated that Goff should have stayed on for 6 months after he announced he would step down to give proper time to regroup. “repent at leisure” and all that

                    • McFlock

                      Was that to me? Because it doesn’t reflect anything I’ve written.

                    • Tracey

                      It was to whoever spoke kindly of Shearer and then questioned his decision to speak down. I have scrolled back up to try and find it but can’t find it.

      • bad12 5.1.2

        Lolz, i have a slightly different take on today’s Labour Party in that i see it as a Party having grown along with it’s core support base into the comfortable middle class, therefor when it does advocate Socialism it is strictly the Socialism of, for and by that middle class,

        What leads me to this belief, Working for Families denied to beneficiaries yet payed out to families with an income of $60,000,

        The ‘flagship’ Labour housing policy which in Auckland in particular will only be affordable to new home buyers with an income of at least $60,000,

        Thank various deity that Dave Shearer has resigned, do i smell the ‘invisible hand’ of Phill and Helen here, Phill conspicuous by His absence from the leaders side as He announced the resignation, and Helen said to have shared yesterday a plane ride with the leader,

        Imagine the blood red image of the Standards pages if the other Dave doesn’t get elected Leader, it’s gotta happen i couldn’t stand another 18 months of anti next bloke off of the rank should not Cunliffe win the vote…

    • QoT 5.2

      When a leader you didn’t choose points to a lake of fire and says “onward, chaps” it isn’t disunity to say “why the fuck is this dude leading us into a lake of fire?”

    • Tracey 5.3

      a good bun fight can clear the air and bring consensus… Admittedly Labour does it more publicly than national…

  6. lurgee 6

    Noble sentiments which have been very scare over the last 20 months. Expect them to be trumpted for the next 4-6 weeks and then suddenly (as I do not think Cunliffe will win) forgotten.

    Sometimes I hate being a leftie.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 6.1

      The new leader will have been elected by a robust process. That won’t silence dissent, but it will give her or him a lot more credibility.

      • AmaKiwi 6.1.1

        Shearer’s weakness from the start was that the people’s choice was overturned. Then it turned out the people were right. Shearer was not a gem.

        I have my preference for leader but I will accept whatever the majority of the members decide.

        1. I believe in democracy. The people decide even if they make a decision I don’t agree with.

        2. This right wing government is DANGEROUS. We MUST stop them.

        • Ugly Truth 6.1.1.1

          I believe in democracy. The people decide even if they make a decision I don’t agree with.

          There’s more to democracy than majority rule.

          Rule of law. A legal principle, of general application, sanctioned by the recognition of authorities, and usu­ally expressed in the form of a maxim or logical proposition. Called a “rule,” because in doubtful or unforeseen cases it is a guide or norm for their
          decision. The rule of law, sometimes called “the supremacy of law”, provides that decisions should be made by the application of known principles or laws
          without the intervention of discretion in their applica­tion. See e.g. Rule against perpetuities, supra; also, Shelley’s Case, Rule in.
          Black’s Dictionary of Law, 5th edition

          http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/bouvier/maxims.shtml

    • Galeandra 6.2

      See lurgee @ 9.01 and spot the difference………. leftie. Hah.

      • lurgee 6.2.1

        I fail to see your point. I would love to see a properly leftwing governemtn get elected, over and over again, forever. But – as I’ve pointed out before- what I want and what is likely to happen are very different things. the world’s an imperfect place. the sort of programme I would like to see would make the party proposing it unelectable. So it isn’t an option. I’d rather have some sort of social-democratic flubber of a government than a rightwing one, so must curtail my desires.

        Or are we still living in a dream world where you only have to wish for something for it to happen?

        • Colonial Viper 6.2.1.1

          You need a mix of pragmatism and idealism to survive in politics with your soul intact.

          NZ is considered completely communist, from the perspective of US politics. Government paid for socialised medicine? Yee gods, the godless commies!

          Frankly, a lot of social democratic change can be accomplished in NZ. And yes, people will vote for that in their many hundreds of thousands.

          • Tracey 6.2.1.1.1

            Agreed, in the US the National Government is considered way left of the Obama Govt…

            • Colonial Viper 6.2.1.1.1.1

              And voting for gay marriage, can you believe it. All going to hell. Right now!!!!!

  7. Outofbed 7

    I have not felt this optimistic since 2008.
    Surely they must do the right thing

    I think Labour will now win in 2014 i might even door knock if they get the right leader

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 7.1

      I was thinking the same thing myself.

    • Tracey 7.2

      I thought that when Goff went. Politicians of all ideology have a recurring ability to repeat the failures history has shown us. It’s because too often they are driven by self interest while parroting care for NZ and NZers.

  8. geoff 8

    I’m pumped!

    With a decent leader and good policy, that the membership can get behind, we’re in with a chance.

    There will be nothing sweeter than seeing the back of Key and his moronic muppets.

    • gobsmacked 8.1

      Agree, Geoff.

      This makes it much clearer, and easier, for me. If Cunliffe wins – I’ll support Labour, unequivocally. If Robertson wins – I’ll be disappointed, probably vote Green, but at least I’ll know where I stand i.e. campaigning for a change of government, with optimism that the Greens can be there in numbers. Andrew Little? Wrong choice now, but still an improvement on DS.

      (If Shane Jones wins, I head for the Ureweras).

      I just pray that Labour members hold their nerve and ignore the right-wing shit-storm over the next few weeks. They have lost their free ticket to a third term and they will be spewing.

      • geoff 8.1.1

        yep thats what im thinking too

      • srylands 8.1.2

        “(If Shane Jones wins, I head for the Ureweras).”

        He is a real chance.

        • srylands 8.1.2.1

          “They have lost their free ticket to a third term and they will be spewing.”

          Not quite. It would have been great for National to have CMF stay there but that was never realistic. Everyone saw it coming. They are hardly “spewing”.

        • felix 8.1.2.2

          No-one in the labour movement thinks Jones is leadership material.

          N.O.-.O.N.E.

          The only people you will see raising his name are right-wingers stirring shit or looking for the next Shearer.

          • srylands 8.1.2.2.1

            “The only people you will see raising his name are right-wingers stirring shit or looking for the next Shearer.”

            I appreciate that. But Labour would win the next election with Jones as Leader. Think about it. You just need to get 3% of disaffected Labour voters who love Shane Jones and who have gone to NZF or National to come back. OK you hate him. What you going to do? You might vote Green. Don’t matter. Comfortable Labour-Green win.

            Jones is a sure ticket to a Labour victory. National would MUCH rather see Cunners in the job.

            • bad12 8.1.2.2.1.1

              You are coming across as doubly stupid than your normal contribution, are you drunk, take you shit-stirring low browed rubbish back to Blubber Boy, i am sure you will be the height of wit over there among the witless, gutless, brainless, and clueless…

            • weka 8.1.2.2.1.2

              I appreciate that. But Labour would win the next election with Jones as Leader. Think about it. You just need to get 3% of disaffected Labour voters who love Shane Jones and who have gone to NZF or National to come back. OK you hate him. What you going to do? You might vote Green. Don’t matter. Comfortable Labour-Green win.

              Or, Jones as leader and Labour sheds a shitload more of its members and voters, who don’t even bother going to the GP because really what the fuck are the GP going to do in coalition with a Labour Party lead by Jones? May as well go out back and shoot ourselves in the head right now and be done with it.

              Nice try srylands, but you’d be better off astroturfing someone a bit more likely.

            • felix 8.1.2.2.1.3

              God that’s so weak srylands.

              • Akldnut

                Worse than weak – that’s a pathetic attempt to add discourse to the debate. That’s you srylands Pathetic

            • Tracey 8.1.2.2.1.4

              How on earth can you assert you know with such certainty what would happen with Jones????

              Hooten and others came on here touting Shearer NOT beausee they thought he was good for labour but the opposite. I see you too don’t want Cunliffe and want Jones, who may have a place in the future but given National tactics would be easy target practice.

              Those who love this govt’s policies really don’t want Cunliffe, or at least it has seemed that way since Goff resigned.

          • Tracey 8.1.2.2.2

            ” David Cunliffe is not as popular in the caucus as he is outside” Vernon Small

            IF this is true, do the Cauccus know they only get about 34 votes in total in an election??? That includes some who would presumably vote for a Cunnliffe led party?

            Anyone want to create a poster of a person on a computer with keys face peeking through the curtains? Something (legal) on the screen that you would not like being seen?

            Caucus and supporters need to come to terms with a contest, open, fair hard-fought, and some wont be happy with the outcome but you suck it up, act like a team and do your bit to contribute to the type of NZ you claim to want.

            Otherwise it will be SSDD

        • bad12 8.1.2.3

          He is a real chance of getting a backseat on the Opposition Benches, the best i can say for Shane Jones after many years of waiting for this supposed genius of Oxford educated leadership material to in fact materialize was that on a recent edition of Native Affairs He for the first time since i listened to any number of His waffling diatribes, sounded coherent,

          Jones if He throws his hat into the ring of the leadership contest is guaranteed a position, Last…

          • Tracey 8.1.2.3.1

            At the risk of seeming paranoid he is sounding like someone much closer to the heart of politics than he would have us believe. His mask even slipped (up there) and he broke his own self proclaimed rule about not being emotional about politics when he called someone deluded.

    • Descendant Of Sssmith 8.2

      “With a decent leader and good policy”

      http://thestandard.org.nz/29/#comment-539315

      I’ve not cared too much about the leader – it’s the shit policy that’s the problem first and foremost.

      I could add to my old list but seriously can Labour in it’s current guise come even close to implementing a single left wing policy such as:

      8 hour working day
      40 hour working week
      Decent minimum wage
      Increased taxation of the well off
      Increasing benefit rates to a liveable amount – at minimum putting the $20-00 per week back on benefits – you know the $20 per week they put back on super and the one they had 9 years to put back on benefits but did not
      Centralised wage bargaining forcing firms to compete on the quality of the product and service not on who can pay the crappiest wage
      Ensuring minimum salaries are say 120% of the minimum wage to stop employers getting around the minimum wage requirements
      Building more state housing and letting people live in their state houses for their entire life if they wish – you know giving people security
      Employing people with disabilites and young people in the public sector to give them an opportunity for a decent life and a good start – cause the private sector won’t and will never employ them all
      Regional development to support rural areas and not just farmers

      These things were not even “left” when I was growing up they were normal.

      • srylands 8.2.1

        The problem is that a party that had that list as their policy platform would never win office. End of story.

        • Descendant Of Sssmith 8.2.1.1

          Yet when I talk to ordinary people of all ages and backgrounds I can find many who would support such policies and certainly there are others here who would support such policies.

          Yet previously governments have been elected on such policies.

          It’s clearly not the end of any story but it would be threatening to those like yourself who espouse both neo-liberal and TINA solutions.

          I too have no problem paying more tax to fund such programs.

          The notion that the market can provide affordable housing has been shown to be nonsense, the notion that the private sector can provide jobs for all has shown to be nonsense.

          The abrogation of state support in terms of employment in particular condemns many people to a life of poverty and despair – particularly those who are most vulnerable.

          The theft of state assets and the taking of profit for services once provided by the state compounds the problem.

          The ownership of our companies and the contracting of services abroad means our collective wealth is transferred offshore.

          Clearly though your statement confirms the view that Labour is not a left-wing party – it too subscribes to our neo-liberal notions and indeed was responsible for much of the move to the right.

  9. AmaKiwi 9

    Door knock while you still can because these right wing dictators might outlaw it.

    Key is DANGEROUS.

  10. Lefty 10

    I don’t quite understand how the Labour Party can fight against the right when it is part of the right.

  11. BM 11

    To David Cunliffe

    My advice to you is to regrow your beard, you look chinless without it, not a good look.

    A beard will give you more mana and get rid of that “there’s something about that prick I don’t trust” vibe.

  12. Lorraine 12

    David Cunliff has the brains and the experience and can think on his feet. He can make the most of the issues that we are having forced on us by an uncaring government who has only the interests of a few conservative wealthy few. He will make a brilliant PM.

    • Craig Glen Eden 12.1

      +1 and yes Hipkins should be shitting himself after his stupid little outburst it was the most stupid thing I have ever seen a so called politician do. What it showed was he does not deserve to be their in my view. Thank goodness we the members will finally have a say in who should lead the Party.

      • bad12 12.1.1

        That sounds good, Hipkins and Jones will look good on the back benches, Labour should promote Sio William Sua, (a) to show the large polynesian vote that He is not just some token member and they simply taken for granted cannon fodder, and (b) because in all the speeches i have seen Him give in the Parliament He delivers the punch at National with a passion and conviction sadly lacking among many others in Labour’s ranks…

  13. Richard Christie 13

    I bet Hipkins is shitting himself.

  14. lurgee 14

    “David Cunliff has the brains and the experience and can think on his feet.”

    This is going to be the equivalent of “He’s got an amazing backstory,” and “He’s a new sort of politician,” isn’t it? Immediately followed by the recycled Shearer staple, “Give him six more months.”

    • Lanthanide 14.1

      No, because Cunliffe has proven his chops. Shearer never did. He’d barely been in parliament 2 years.

    • weka 14.2

      “This is going to be the equivalent of “He’s got an amazing backstory,” and “He’s a new sort of politician,” isn’t it? ”

      Not really. Having brains and the ability to think on one’s feet are actual skills needed for being PM. Having an amazing backstory and being a new sort of politician are spins without substance designed to promote something without substance.

    • QoT 14.3

      If only the amazing backstory and “new” politics had actually been demonstrated (aside from mango skin stories, of course) we might not be in this position today.

  15. Rodel 15

    I think I’ll renew my membership. Wait and see…

  16. chris73 16

    Can Cunliffe handle Key, its possible but if we look back at the scalps Keys taken ie Clark, Cullen Goff and Shearer but not likely

    I’d suggest you don’t get your hopes up because you might be a bit sad when Key takes (and lets face it history suggests he will) another scalp

    :)

    • happynz 16.1

      Eh? You reckon that squeaky short-fingered conman Key is a formidable politician? If so, it makes the opposition in New Zealand woeful if Key is considered a master at politicking.

      • lurgee 16.1.1

        You’re a fool if you think he’s not a formidable performer. That’s why he enjoys such strong and enduring support inspite of being the tainted leader of a heinous smorgasboard of despicable yahoos.

        Unless you’re suggesting the NZ electorate are idiots, of course, but that’s not a very wise thing to say.

        • chris73 16.1.1.1

          No its good that the left keep underestimating John Key:

          “Hes just a gambler”, “He just has media training”, “he just runs the lines america wants him to say”, “hes just a money man”

          Its one of the reasons why he smoked Cullen, Clark, Goff, Campbell and Shearer….well that and the lefts arrogance

          • fender 16.1.1.1.1

            No-one is underestimating the lying, corrupt bully who has more arrogance in his little finger than the whole of the left has put together.

    • Tracey 16.2

      he didn’t take Clark’s scalp, Peters/Owen and a 3 term staleness took Clark. It would be an interesting match up today for sure.

    • Murray Olsen 16.3

      Any PM at the end of their 3rd term is vulnerable. For some reason, the electorate seems to think that change for the sake of it is a good thing now and then. That Key won against Clark is not surprising. That he could beat Goff in debates when Goff probably agreed more with Key than with the words that came out of his own mouth was also no great feat. Shearer? Anyone can kick a cripple. In this case, history is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Key is now looking like a tired bullshitter up against a man on a mission. Cunliffe will demolish him. Norman would demolish him. Key was the sellout arselicker American sycophant of the moment. His moment has gone and soon he will be too.

      • Jim Nald 16.3.1

        “Cunliffe will demolish him. Norman would demolish him.”

        Most importantly, thanks to the reinvigorated Labour Party, many voters will turn up at the ballot boxes next year and cast out Key.

  17. Jenny 18

    The world and the country are facing a crisis like no other.

    Will the Labour Party have the courage to choose a leader who will make difference?

    Robertson – Business as usual with the added handicap of lack of charisma. Guaranteed not to beat Key. Would make a good deputy.

    Little – Who knows? A fresh face, but still an unknown quality. Possibly handicapped by a lack of experience. Despite his EPMU background and Taranaki energy capital roots, has been making muted noises about the existential dangers of climate change. But was this sincere? Could beat Key.

    Cunliffe – Has the experience and the credibility to make real changes, has the party behind him, therefore has a mandate to act, and the charisma and sincerity to be able to win the public over to the necessity of the changes needed. Has he got the steel to stand up to the fossil fuel lobby? His meek acceptance of relegation to the back benches without complaint seems to suggest not. Could beat Key.

    • Jenny 18.1

      Lynn Prentice has accused me of grandstanding, by raising the issue of climate change as a matter in this leadership contest. Let’s see how long the above comment stands.

      Will Lynn show his hand, this early in the piece. To try and keep climate change from being an election issue? As Lynn maintains, it is politics 101, that we can’t waste political capital on this issue.

      I am sorry Lynn but I missed that class. Though I am pretty sure that civilisation collapse and possible human extinction wasn’t discussed.

      [lprent: See http://thestandard.org.nz/unity-and-democracy/#comment-683606 ]

    • SHG (not Colonial Viper) 18.2

      Little: can’t even win an electorate.

  18. karol 19

    Say what? Don’t tell me Team Robertson have learned nothing and are still trying to control the leadership selection? Democracy? Unity? Ma.href=’http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9076912/Shearer-Why-he-quit’>Vernon Small this morning: While promoting Robertosn as front runner, Small says this:

    Moves were under way last night to avoid a messy leadership runoff, but the wider party may push for a contest that would give unions and the wider membership a say.

    They are taking the piss! Surely they can’t expect that only caucus will choose the new leader?

    • the pigman 19.1

      I’d take Vernon Small’s expert inside analysis with a sack of salt or two… He is probably somewhere between Audrey Young and Colin Espiner on the reliable labour-party-insider-journalist stakes.

      And even if that might be the belief of a few in caucus, it is certainly not the message being sent out by Coatsworth, Barnett et al.

  19. Tracey 20

    A leadership change is not a panacea and can only be the beginning. To ensure NACTUNITED don’t rule the roost for another term will require passion and change.

    PASSION is key.

    FAIRNESS is Key

    Someone needs to stand up and say (with genuine passion) that they care about NZers not just NZ.

    We need international partners not masters. NZers have always been leaders, punching above their weight, in sport, in science, in education, in medicine, in arts, in music and in law and the list goes on. We stand up when others cower. When did the Prime Minister forget that? Why did we start cowering?

    We care about hard working employers who create jobs and prosperity and we care about hard working employees who contribute to prosperity. We don’t want a society where we base our fellow kiwis well-being on whether they are better off than a Somalia or Indian slum dweller. We aim higher than that because we care.

    In times of hardship and war, like the recent earthquakes in Canterbury and Wellington, kiwis didn’t divide, didn’t stop to ask who deserved help based on income or lifestyle we recognised help was needed and we provided it. When farmers face drought people help because they care. When someone runs into a fire to save someone else’s loved one we hope that would be us in the same circumstances and we admire them.

    And if someone has the balls they can add

    The fact is that those hard working kiwis who belong to a union have better work conditions and higher wages than their industry counterparts. A workplace is a partnership between employers and employees where everyone works hard and it is not a battlefield. We have to stop swinging from one extreme to another and find a balance where employers are not treated as villains and bullies and employees are not treated as lazy and ungrateful and lucky to have anything at all. We are all better than that.

    The NZ economy entered the recession in a better position than many western countries because we forge our own path. We lead not follow.

    We have a world leading education system and have produced world leading educators. We need to listen to them about how to maintain that and how to bring those who struggle to higher achievement. We wont achieve that by going to war with Principals, teachers and Boards of Trustees.

    We need to be wise about how we spend our money. Wise about where we invest our money but not at the expense of compassion. There is never one right answer but often many wrong ones.

    We are not at war with each other but sometimes behave like we are. No one has a monopoly on caring. Compassion knows no politic allegiance. A compassionate society will thrive a mean society will divide.

    • Ugly Truth 20.1

      Tracey, the following is intended to be constructive criticism, don’t take it as a snub.

      “We need” doesn’t address the underlying causes, all it does is change the symptoms of problem.

      While there is nothing wrong with being compassionate, Fabian socialism uses compassionate people to further its own agenda.

      “Why did we start cowering?”
      Because you started to rely on the state for protection.

      • Tracey 20.1.1

        “WE NEED” IS A CALL TO ARMS OR ATTENTION. yOU CANNOT “WIN” THE PEOPLE OVER BY LECTURING THEM ABOUT HOW YOU WILL ACHIEVE YOUR ENDS. I ENJOY READING ABOUT THE how BUT ALL MY OBSERVATIONS OF THE LAST 40 YEARS OR SO SUGGEST THAT DESPITE WHAT I LIKE/WANT, THE ELECTORATE RESPONDS TO RHETORIC MORE THAN SUBSTANCE. however YOU MUST HAVE THE SUBSTANCE AS WELL.

        Shit, caps lock, sorry. [lprent: I should hope so. ]

        We cower because we believe that the US business interests will feather our bed. That money will flow to us if we make them happy. However the US still has some of the largest number of protectionist laws to protect its own indsutries and markets, while people scramble to throw theirs away to get a free trade agreement with them.

        When we (NZ) weren’t cowering, we also relied on the state for protection.

        I don’t take it as a snub, but appreciate (genuinely)you letting me know you weren’t attacking me.

        I wanted Shearer because I liked his style but despite NZers still regarding pollies as villains, and bemoaning that they can’t trust them, they don’t elect people who don’t act like villains speaking with forked tongues.

        I don’t know what the answer is, but leaders engage people, make it hard to not follow them, their actions and integrity and substance ought to reward that trust.

        People say they want to know the “how” but the media rarely repeats it…

        I was surprised to not see a more concerted effort by Libertarianz to rally against the GCS legislation.

        • Ugly Truth 20.1.1.1

          “We cower because we believe that the US business interests will feather our bed.”

          I see that as the “money (or the love of money) is the root of all evil” argument. The problem with this argument is that if you don’t have security then your money means very little as it can be taken from you at any time.

          “People say they want to know the “how” but the media rarely repeats it…”

          Heh. Best not get me started on the MSM. The interactive nature of social media can be valuable, for example this exchange between Mark Hubbard and MP Paul Foster-Bell on the GCSB.

          http://lifebehindtheirondrape.blogspot.co.nz/2013/08/gcsb-bill-today-national-act-and-uf.html

          If you know the “why” then the “how” is relatively easy to figure out. Knowing the “why” typically involves some digging into the history of geopolitics, something that most people don’t have the time or the inclination for.

          “I was surprised to not see a more concerted effort by Libertarianz to rally against the GCS legislation.”

          Libertarians can have fundamentally different ideas about what liberty is. When they see it purely as civil liberty they become locked into the standard political paradigm, which seriously constrains the options available to them.

          • Tracey 20.1.1.1.1

            Thanks for your comments.

            I mentioned libertarianz because the ones I have read online ARE big on intellectual and actual freedom yet that group or even parts of seemed to stay out of the debate.

            It’s easier to have values than to actually live them I guess.

            “I see that as the “money (or the love of money) is the root of all evil” argument. The problem with this argument is that if you don’t have security then your money means very little as it can be taken from you at any time.”

            Couldn’t agree with you more.

  20. burt 21

    Democracy from a party that thinks the business of government is what government define it to be – good luck with that !

    • Tracey 21.1

      It’s got national this far burt…

      I for one would like to see that change BUT National has taken it to new heights indeed.

      • burt 21.1.1

        Tracey

        Are you mad ? Clark was quoted as saying the business of government is what government define it to be – democracy being by the people for the people …. spot the incompatibility ….

        Now stop talking about National doing it too – this thread is about unity and democracy in the context of Labour – not about unity and democracy compared to National.

  21. Winston Smith 22

    I predict (and hope) Little will be the next leader of Labour

  22. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 23

    With a new leadership race there’s now a real chance to bring the Labour party together to fight the good fight against the right.

    Good luck with that.

    Really.

    • burt 23.1

      I look forward to a Labour government bringing back compulsory unionism so that low paid workers are forced to support the Labour party…. that will be their crowning achievement. That and tax law changes that allow massive distortions…

      Oh don’t forget low quality government spending causing inflation and high interest rates which are great for wealthy people with cash but devastating for low income earners and people with mortgages.

      The cycle will repeat – the economy will appear to boom then it will crash and we will be back to national dishing out the medicine… and then we go around again.

      • Tracey 23.1.1

        cos bashing and deriding the unions has really worked well in increasing minimum wage and living wage rates for Nzers lower earners.

        • burt 23.1.1.1

          Unions that lobby the government are good – unions that have partisan support for a single party – they are just fund raisers for the party. I don’t agree that fund raising should be done from low paid workers – theses are the people the union apparently exists to serve – not the other way around.

          • One Anonymous Knucklehead 23.1.1.1.1

            And since union members get paid more, your concern seems born of ignorance.

  23. Jacobin 24

    The only one that can actually win is Cunliffe. He also has contra-neoliberal policy. Who cares if he is a cunt in person, John Key is a cunt, this is the game we are in. Now lets get moving.

  24. tricledrown 25

    Burt logic 101 the business round table should be funding labour instead.
    Unions formed the labour party to put an end to serfdom.
    Pathetic attempt at cynicism.

  25. Venezia 26

    That link to David Cunliffe’s speech does not work. “Your access to this site has been limited” etc

  26. xtasy 27

    If only people in NZ would damned WAKE up and read and be informed, we would NOT have the crap that goes down, Oh so desperate I am, I am close to committing suicide, I am really thinking like that!!!

    http://accforum.org/forums/index.php?/topic/15264-welfare-reform-the-health-and-disability-panel-msd-the-truth-behind-the-agenda/

  27. Belladonna 28

    Hang in there xtasy, Labour will hopefully get their act together with a new leader. Beneficiaries need people like you to fight against this terrible persecution they have to endure at present. Stay strong.

    • xtasy 28.1

      Belladonna – thanks, some days are a real “struggle” for me, but I am hanging in there. The day Shearer announced his resignation was a day I started to see a shimmer of light and hope at the end of a long dark tunnel.

      I keep my fingers crossed that the party, the affiliates AND the caucus get it right this time. We need a strong opposition, that also is united enough and work together, to address all the injustices imposed on the most unfortunate and weakest.

      Re welfare I think that Ardern needs to get a wake up call and address the issues more vocally and directly, or that portfolio should go to someone who shows a bit more initiative and drive. But maybe her ambitions were also being “dampened” by the older ones in caucus, wanting to please potential middle class swing voters, who have for years been misinformed by the appalling mainstream media about what really goes on.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgNo2Nyp-TY

      This link shows a bit of discussion on what has been going on in the UK by the way.

  28. jim 29

    Labour has/had notable and saleable talent in Shearer/Parker/Cunliffe. Robertson’s fingerprints are all over the reasons why they did not work together.

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    Tertiary Education Union | 01-10
  • KiwiSaver improvements at EIT
    Eastern Institute of Technology’s TEU members who are over 65 will be able to continue to save up employer contributions in their KiwiSaver nest egg if they ratify a new TEU collective agreement. Union members are now voting whether to...
    Tertiary Education Union | 01-10
  • Vic students to leave NZUSA under VSM cloud
    Student leaders around New Zealand will meet in two weeks to discuss the future of student representation after the decision made last week by the Victoria University Students’ Association (VUWSA) to give one year’s notice terminating their membership of the...
    Tertiary Education Union | 01-10
  • Collective agreements get more pay rises
    Does it pay for you to be on a collective agreement rather than an individual agreement, asks CTU economist Bill Rosenberg? The evidence available suggests that yes, workers on collective agreements get bigger and more frequent pay rises. They may...
    Tertiary Education Union | 01-10
  • Maybe you’re not cut out for this kind of work
    I attended a great buddies wedding in the bay of islands recently. It was everything […] The post Maybe you’re not cut out for this kind of work appeared first on Connected....
    Potentia | 01-10
  • Maybe you’re not cut out for this kind of work
    I attended a great buddy’s wedding in the Bay of Islands recently. It was everything […] The post Maybe you’re not cut out for this kind of work appeared first on Connected....
    Potentia | 01-10
  • 2014 – Ongoing jobless tally
    . . Continued from: 2013 – Ongoing jobless tally So by the numbers, for this year, January OceanaGold/Macraes Mine: 146 redundancies Fitzroy Yachts: 100 redundancies OceanaGold: 76 redundancies Tenix: 15 redundancies February Goodman Fielder: 125 redundancies Pacific Steel Group: 70-90 redundancies...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-10
  • 2014 – Ongoing jobless tally
    . . Continued from: 2013 – Ongoing jobless tally So by the numbers, for this year, January OceanaGold/Macraes Mine: 146 redundancies Fitzroy Yachts: 100 redundancies OceanaGold: 76 redundancies Tenix: 15 redundancies February Goodman Fielder: 125 redundancies Pacific Steel Group: 70-90 redundancies...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-10
  • Media malice
    There has been a lot of talk, over on the Standard and elsewhere, about media bias.  The election was lost because of it.  Cunliffe's leadership ruined because of it.  The Scottish independence referendum lost because of it.  The media are...
    Left hand palm | 01-10
  • How to Create a Divided Society: New Plymouth’s Maori Seat
    Last week New Plymouth District Council opted to create a Maori ward for the next local government election. That means local Maori who choose to go on a Maori-only role get to elect a representative directly to the council. Everybody...
    Gareth’s World | 01-10
  • Trickle Down Economics? No way. Rather it’s wealth capture by the sel...
    If You Look At One Graph About Inequality Look At This!Henning MeyerYou might have heard about recent reports stating that global inequality is decreasing. This is a nice example of constructing the comparison according to the result you would like to...
    the Irascible Curmudgeon | 01-10
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-10
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-10
  • PPTA’s EDUCANZ battle continues
    1 October 2014 The legislation around the government’s EDUCANZ body is so sloppy it is impossible to know what kind of monster will eventually be unleashed, says PPTA president Angela Roberts.This afternoon PPTA members voted to empower the association’s executive...
    PPTA | 01-10
  • AT’s surveillance system
    Concern erupted yesterday about whether Auckland Transport was going to by effectively spying on us all as part of a new surveillance system they are buying. Surveillance technology that uses high definition cameras and software that puts names to faces and...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-10
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    Frankly Speaking | 01-10
  • Limiting global warming to 2 °C – why Victor and Kennel are wrong
    In a comment in Nature titled Ditch the 2 °C warming goal, political scientist David Victor and retired astrophysicist Charles Kennel advocate just that. But their arguments don’t hold water. It is clear that the opinion article by Victor &...
    Real Climate | 01-10
  • New and Improved Ice Loss Estimates for Polar Ice Sheets
    In a previous post, several years ago, I discussed the various ways that we measure changes in the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets. Today, scientists still use these main methods for identifying ice changes but recent technological and data processing...
    Skeptical Science | 01-10
  • Crime Reporting Hides Reality
    The National Government has been clever at fudging data and hiding unwanted statistics. It has refused to measure the extent of child poverty, stopped independent environmental reporting and while there has been some worrying crime statistics, we only hear of...
    Local Bodies | 01-10
  • What Labour needs to hear: the 4th voice
    As he pops back and forth between New Zealand and the Pacific Islands, Shane Jones must look on himself as the luckiest of the three men who took part in the Labour leadership race just a scant 12 months ago.read...
    Pundit | 01-10
  • Extremes report 2013: NZ drought and record Aussie heat made worse by warmi...
    The latest climate extremes report finds that 9 out of 16 extreme weather events from last year were influenced by climate change. In particular, the conditions that led to New Zealand’s severe North Island drought — the worst for 41...
    Hot Topic | 01-10
  • On holiday
    Quick PSA: I won on holiday this week, which is why I'm not blogging much at all. Next week I will post once and only once on the Labour leadership contest....
    Polity | 01-10
  • World News Brief, Wednesday October 1
    Top of the AgendaAfghanistan and United States Sign Security Deal...
    Pundit | 01-10
  • Dancing Traffic Lights
    As a pedestrian it can be easy to become a bit impatient, especially when traffic lights are prioritised solely around the movement of vehicles which can leave a long wait between phases. Here’s one idea to keep people occupied while...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Secure work, health and safety and pay rises
    This week the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions (the NZCTU) released their latest economic bulletin today with economist Bill Rosenberg answering the question about whether workers who have a collective employment agreement get bigger pay rises than those on...
    frogblog | 01-10
  • Shock! Horror! Wife defends husband!!!!
        In recent posts I’ve made some fairly trenchant comments about David Cunliffe, primarily about his media performance. Others, including some of his Caucus colleagues, have gone even further. The now resigned Leader of the Opposition has been under...
    Brian Edwards | 01-10
  • September ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats for some blogs – those I list below. Maybe more bloggers will shift to StatCounter or other counter. No stats could be found for these blogs: Works...
    Open Parachute | 01-10
  • September ’14 – NZ blogs sitemeter ranking
    PLEASE NOTE: Sitemeter is playing up again making it impossible to automatically get the stats for some blogs – those I list below. Maybe more bloggers will shift to StatCounter or other counter. No stats could be found for these blogs: Works...
    Open Parachute | 01-10
  • Auckland: the world’s friendliest city
    UK travel magazine Conde Nast Traveler has just named Auckland the world’s friendliest city in its 2014 rankings. It introduces Auckland with a great photo that highlights the city’s growing urbanity: FRIENDLIEST: 1. Auckland, New Zealand Score: 86.0 (tie) We...
    Transport Blog | 01-10
  • Waterview Breakthrough
    On Monday Alice the Tunnel Boring Machine broke through at Waterview after tunnelling for the last 10 months. And here’s a video of it happening. One of the things that is really impressive is just how accurate the machine is...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Fundamental incomprehension II
    Another day, and another journalist who just doesn't get it about the Greens. This time its Duncan Garner:The Green Party needs a serious rethink. For as long as they have been in Parliament, they have been a left wing party...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • An Open Letter to Green Party Supporters: Why I slagged off your Party
    Last week I called for a Bluegreen Party – an environmental party that I could in all conscience, vote for. It prompted a huge response, which confirmed to me there is a clear constituency that is not being serviced. I...
    Gareth’s World | 30-09
  • Parliament should decide
    Yesterday John Key began laying the groundwork to deploy kiwi troops to Iraq to fight in another pointless American war. And with the Labour Party distracted by its autocannibalism, its left to Winston Peters to stand up for democratic values...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • The problem with warmongers
    The problem with warmongers is they appear to have no empathy for their fellow human beings. That's because war, and the industrial complex behind it, is invariably built upon people's prejudices.History is littered with examples of prejudice being used as...
    The Jackal | 30-09
  • Australia to criminalise journalism
    Imagine this scenario: Australian spies seeking to fight domestic terrorism borrow the tactics of their American counterparts and start running agent provocateurs to "flush out" those with terrorist leanings. But an operation goes horribly wrong, and actually results in a...
    No Right Turn | 30-09
  • School funding failing vulnerable students – time for a better way?
    1 October 2014 Schools with the greatest needs get too little to meet those needs, says PPTA president Angela Roberts. The current school funding system is failing to support our most vulnerable students and this morning delegates at PPTA’s annual...
    PPTA | 30-09
  • Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi
    More than 1,000 people marched up Queen Streen in Auckland yesterday, as part of the Waiho Papa Moana Hikoi, to protest outside Sky City at the New Zealand Petroleum Summit against plans to begin deep sea oil drilling in the...
    Greenpeace NZ blog | 30-09
  • Why the Prime Minister and RB Governor are whistling in the wind
    Let there be no mistake, New Zealanders want the NZ dollar to be as high as possible. A 65 US cent dollar makes us a hell of a lot poorer than an 88 cent one. So why does the Reserve...
    Gareth’s World | 30-09
  • A targeted transport rate?
    An article in last Friday’s NZ Herald provided an interesting insight into where the investigations into additional transport funding options are at. This is the second phase of the project to close the supposed $12 billion funding gap over the next 30...
    Transport Blog | 30-09
  • Is New Zealand ready for an openly inane Prime Minister?
    In the current leadership race for the Labour Party there are two candidates: Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe. There has been much discussion of their strengths and weaknesses, but one subject has been delicately avoided; perhaps because of political correctness,...
    DimPost | 30-09
  • Is New Zealand ready for an openly inane Prime Minister?
    In the current leadership race for the Labour Party there are two candidates: Grant Robertson and David Cunliffe. There has been much discussion of their strengths and weaknesses, but one subject has been delicately avoided; perhaps because of political correctness,...
    DimPost | 30-09
  • Carpetbaggers
    So, those wishing to participate in the Labour leadership election (2014 edition) have until 11.59pm on Wednesday the 1st of October to join.I won't be joining, but I've noticed an alarming number of people on The Standard announcing that they...
    Left hand palm | 30-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the last rites for the TPP
    Column – Gordon Campbell The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal is one of those litmus issues that has always had more to do with one’s place on the political spectrum than with any imminent reality. To date, the Greens have...
    Gordon Campbell | 30-09
  • Gordon Campbell on the last rites for the TPP
    Column – Gordon Campbell The Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal is one of those litmus issues that has always had more to do with ones place on the political spectrum than with any imminent reality. To date, the Greens have...
    Its our future | 30-09
  • Hold fast to your Mana – Harawira
    Hone Harawira today called on the voters of Tai Tokerau to hold fast to their mana, and not be dictated to by those party leaders who have ganged together to tell them how to vote. “I call on our people...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Media Advisory – Interview availability
    This is to advise all media that Hone Harawira will be available in Auckland tomorrow, Friday the 19th of September from 7am to 4pm for interviews relating to his recent press releases. If you are interested in interviewing Mr Harawira on...
    Mana | 18-09
  • Labour stands on proud record on Suffrage Day
    Women have come a long way in the 121 years since New Zealand became the first country to give them the vote on September 19 1893, but there is still more to do, Labour’s Women’s Affairs spokesperson Carol Beaumont says....
    Labour | 18-09
  • Polling Booths asked to treat Maori voters with respect
    “Polling booths without Maori roll voting papers, Maori people not being offered assistance to vote, people getting sent from Whangarei to Wellsford to vote, Maori people getting turned away from voting because they didn’t have their ‘easy vote’ card, Maori...
    Mana | 17-09
  • Aussie Liberals embroiled in Key campaign
    John Key needs to explain why Australia’s Liberal Party is interfering in New Zealand domestic politics and is encouraging Kiwi voters across the ditch to vote for National just days out from the election, Labour’s campaign spokesperson Annette King says....
    Labour | 17-09
  • The MANA Plan for Beneficiaries and Income in Waiariki
    Median Personal Income for Waiariki is $21,700. Over 13,000 Maori who live in Waiariki rely upon a form of government benefit including the Unemployment Benefit, Sickness Benefit, Domestic Purpose Benefit and the Invalids Benefit. “If you’re lucky enough to have...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Māori development crucial to New Zealand’s future
    Labour recognises the concern of Māori about child poverty and the rising costs of living, and in Government will make a real difference to the wellbeing of whānau and iwi, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “As our Māori...
    Labour | 16-09
  • MAORI PARTY – DON’T COMPLAIN … WALK
    “If the Maori Party are serious about stopping government spying on NZ citizens then they should tell the Prime Minister to either stop doing it or they will walk away” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira, on...
    Mana | 16-09
  • JOHN KEY SUPPORTING LABOUR
    “There is something really sick about a National Party Prime Minister coming out in support of a Labour candidate” said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau MP, Hone Harawira, after hearing that John Key is urging voters to back Labour in...
    Mana | 16-09
  • SHUT DOWN THIS GOVT NOT KAITI WINZ – Nikora
    “I’m going to make it as hard for you to get help as I can” is Paula Bennett’s message to the people of Kaiti  said MANA candidate Te Hāmua Nikora today in response to the news that National will close...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Winegums make for better polling – Harawira
    I wanted to laugh when I saw the Native Affairs poll the other night (Hone Harawira 38%, Kelvin Davis 37%) because it was almost the same as the one they did back in 2011”, said MANA leader and Tai Tokerau...
    Mana | 16-09
  • The Leadership of MTS Lied – Harawira
    “Normally I’m happy to tell people that I was right but when I received the news about the staff cuts at Maori Television, I had nothing but sympathy for the three Maori media leaders who are going to be made...
    Mana | 16-09
  • Privileges Complaint Laid against Prime Minister – Harawira
    MANA Movement Leader and Te Tai Tokerau MP Hone Harawira has today lodged a Privileges Complaint with the Speaker regarding the Prime Ministers denials in parliament that he knew anything about Kim Dotcom before 2012. “Information made public today appears...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Sharples’ new appointments are out of order
    The new appointments to the Waitangi Tribunal announced by Dr Pita Sharples this morning are completely out of order given the election is just five days away, says Labour's State Services spokesperson, Maryan Street. “This Government continues to show disdain...
    Labour | 15-09
  • MANA Movement Housing Policy
    “When families are living in cars, garages, cockroach-infested caravans and three families to a house then we have a housing crisis”, said MANA leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Hone Harawira. “When you have a housing crisis for low-income...
    Mana | 15-09
  • Bigger than the Foreshore and Seabed – Sykes
    “Over the past week I have received some disturbing information that has led myself and a number of Maori lawyers to conclude that this National - Maori Party - ACT and United Future Government are going to put an end to both...
    Mana | 14-09
  • MANA wants Te Reo Māori petition fulfilled
    Hone Harawira, MANA Leader and MP for Te Tai Tokerau Annette Sykes, MANA candidate for Waiariki Te Hāmua Nikora, MANA candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti  “More than four decades have passed and the petition calling for Te Reo Māori in schools...
    Mana | 14-09
  • Primary focus on the critical issues
    A Labour Government will prioritise New Zealand’s agricultural sectors by recreating a Rural Affairs Minister and appointing a Primary Industry Council and a Chief Agricultural Adviser. Releasing Labour’s Primary Sector and Rural Affairs policies today, spokesperson Damien O’Connor says the...
    Labour | 12-09
  • Maori Television fears confirmed – Harawira
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    Mana | 12-09
  • More ghost houses from National
    The Government’s desperate pre-election announcement of more ghost houses won’t fool Aucklanders wanting action on the housing crisis, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “These are ghost houses, to go with National’s ghost tax cut. Families cannot live in ghost...
    Labour | 12-09
  • National bows to union pressure over travel time
    National has reluctantly bowed to pressure from unions and adopted Labour’s fair and sensible policy to pay home support workers for the time they spend traveling between clients, Labour’s Associate Health spokesperson Iain Lees-Galloway says. “This decision is long overdue...
    Labour | 12-09
  • I feel sorry for Labour Party members and supporters
    I feel really sorry for the members and supporters of the Labour Party as they watch their caucus tear itself to shreds. And no matter what the outcome of the coming leadership race Labour members and supporters will be the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Ummmm, why is Auckland Transport spying on Aucklanders?
    Ummm. What? Sophisticated surveillance coming to Auckland Surveillance technology that uses high definition cameras and software that can put names to faces and owners to cars is coming to Auckland. The surveillance has the capability to also scan social media...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • It. Is. About. The. Economy. Stupid.
    Liam Dann does a good job of explaining the positive and negative issues looming for the NZ economy and as dairy prices plunge again overnight alongside a large Wall st sell off  and China Bank rumours begin, his case for the negative...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Don’t think of it as reinvading Iraq, think of it as redecorating Iraq
    I think some NZers view Iraq like an episode of The Block. Yes Iraq is the worst country on the street, but with a bit of elbow grease by our SAS and some great deals down at Bunnings, hey presto we...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Joe Trinder – Mana Maori alliance
    Most Maori you speak to on the street can’t understand why Mana movement and  Maori Party don’t combine it confuses them why Maori are divided cross benches in Parliament instead of a unified political power that represents 15% of the...
    The Daily Blog | 01-10
  • Party members and affiliates – the real losers in Labour’s leadership f...
    Hey, wanna do a back room deal that cuts the members and affiliates out? Cunliffe must be reeling. He has lost failed Ilam candidate James Dann. It must cut as deep as the loss of Steve Gibson. Apart from providing Claire...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election res...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, the election result...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • The rich get richer
    Nobel prize winner Paul Krugman highlights the growing inequality in this article in the New York Times. The left wing slogan that the “the rich get richer” is a fact of almost perverse power. The most recent period of expansion in the...
    The Daily Blog | 30-09
  • A brief word on reinvading Iraq
    So after telling the country before the election that NZ would not send forces to Iraq, lo and behold now he’s won the election with a full spectrum dominance political majority, Key is suddenly now looking to join the re-invasion of...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • A brief word on the importance of ACT, Maori Party and United Future to Nat...
    I’m a far right wing clown who attacks tax money going on anything collective, gimmie some cash and privilege.  One of the great successes of National has been to implement hard right policy but have it sold as moderate. For some NZers,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Labour’s Angst
    Was Labour’s predictably low vote David Cunliffe’s fault? Was it policy? Was it something else that has aroused perceptions of electoral carnage? My analysis of the numbers suggests that, as uncertain voters made up their minds, there was a late...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Information wars: Gaza as “the last taboo”, the threat of mass surveill...
    “When the truth is replaced with silence” wrote the soviet dissident Yevgeni Yevtushenko, “the silence is a lie.” There has been a silence these past months full of noise, static and sound bites of those in power justifying their violence,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • When the media say they covered Dirty Politics – did they?
    I was watching The Nation in the weekend, and watched the defenders of NZ media up against Minto telling him he was wrong in his claims of media bias and that the media covered Dirty Politics. I laughed. When the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG – P Campbell – To the Left with love
    A week after the general election results I feel wrung out emotionally, having been through the disappointment, depression and anger of seeing  another right wing government elected overwhelmingly by winning support from the parts of NZ that will never benefit...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – I will be the new Labour Leader!
    One week after the election, while I was still waiting to be consulted about contributing to the review on what went wrong, what do you know? There is a leadership challenge. So instead of opting for a united, thoughtful and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – A Prescient Post
    A very prescient pre-election post by Martyn Bradbury tells us why the Labour Party are at war now. “The NZ First-Labour Party attack strategy against Internet MANA better work” Despite Martyn Bradbury warning them this Right Wing strategy “Better Work”...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – W(h)ither Labour (!/?)
    There’s an old saying that success has many fathers, but failure is an orphan. Not so in the Labour Party, wherein soul-crushing defeat on a scale unseen since 1925 definitely has many fathers (and more than a few mothers and...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • At the end of the day…
    At the end of the day…...
    The Daily Blog | 29-09
  • Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty
    Cynicism towards Key’s sudden desire to help children in poverty...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Internet MANA the election and the media
    I’ve been very critical of media reporting of Internet MANA during the election campaign and not surprised at the predictable response from representatives of the corporate media establishment. I wasn’t going to carry this further but was asked at the...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Rachel Jones – A superficial discourse analysis of a superfic...
    On Sunday there was a story about Paddy Gower and his detached retina in the Herald on Sunday. Really? I hear you ask. Really? Yes, really. Pam Corkery will have sprayed toast crumbs over her dressing gown. The reporter has become...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Terrorising Australia’s Muslim population
    We should be suspicious when 800 police conduct “terror” raids across Australia, but only one person is charged with a relevant terrorism offence (of which we know few details). We should be suspicious of the lurid tales of terrorists planning...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its min...
    Another Labour leader has resigned and as per usual, the media lost its mind. I know the Labour party has its problems and I’m not even going to try to prescribe what should be done about it. But what I...
    The Daily Blog | 28-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Loyalty, Leadership and the Labour Party
    My first after the election and I can only say I’m feeling pretty sad.  It was a terrible result, and feels even more so knowing the number of volunteers hours, hard work & sacrifice made by so many people who...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • A Study in Party Stability
    . In terms of long-term stability, one party above stands above all others, with the exception of personality-driven groups such as NZ First and United Future. That party is the Greens. If the Labour Party wants to look elsewhere for...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Cunliffe vs Robertson – Round 2
    Much to the disappointment of the NZ Herald and other right wing pundits who have decided they would like to appoint the next Labour leader, Cunliffe has surprised by deciding to damn the Caucus and appeal directly to the members...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The tasks before the left and labour movement
    Anyone on the left would have been disappointed at the result of the election. There was an opportunity to win, but that got lost through a combination of factors. There were tactical decisions made by Labour, the Greens and Internet-Mana...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • From Fiji’s dictatorship to ‘democracy’ – the AUT student team on t...
    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Robertson now expected to be Labour leader by Xmas
    Grant Robertson is now overwhelmingly picked to become the next leader of the Labour Party by the end of the year, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict. Another potential Labour...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Documenting historic Māori land law cases for the first time
    A new book from Victoria University of Wellington’s Faculty of Law will continue to put the spotlight on Māori Land Law judgments which have never before been published....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • ‘Oily’ people greet Petroleum Summit diners
    Greenpeace activists smeared in fake oil have greeted guests arriving at the part-Statoil sponsored Petroleum Summit dinner this evening....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Key Decisions Made About Labour’s Leadership Election
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has made the key decisions about the timetable and process around the election of Labour’s Party Leader. The result will be announced on Tuesday 18th November, following a comprehensive and extensive process unique...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Suspected $6 Million Dollar Wananga Fraud Alarming
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on on the Te Whare Wananga o Awanuiarangi to front up over claims the Wananga has pocketed government overpayments amounting to $6 million of taxpayers' money. Jordan Williams, Executive Director of the Taxpayers’ Union...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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