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Was John Key telling the truth about the Malaysian Diplomat?

Written By: - Date published: 5:34 pm, July 1st, 2014 - 208 comments
Categories: john key, national - Tags: , ,

This morning in the Herald John Key claimed that New Zealand had demanded the waiving of diplomatic privilege for the Malaysian diplomat charged with breaking and entering and assault with intent to commit sexual violation.  From the article:

A diplomat who escaped prosecution for sexual assault in New Zealand is likely to face serious charges in his home country, Prime Minister John Key says.

The Government last night hauled in the relevant country’s head of mission to make its views clear that the diplomat – who cannot be named – should be held to account.

It was revealed yesterday that the man, aged in his 30s, fled the country a day after being charged with burglary and assault with intent to rape by Wellington police.

He had followed a 21-year-old woman to her home in Brooklyn on May 9, when the alleged assault occurred.

Mr Key said the Ministry for Foreign Affairs had formally asked for the diplomat’s home country to waive diplomatic immunity, but it had declined.

“New Zealand’s very strong preference was that he would have been charged. Effectively that sending country stopped us from doing that,” he told reporters.

But elsewhere it is being reported that New Zealand actually helped the diplomat leave the country.

From the Daily Mail:

Malaysian Foreign Minister Anifah Aman has confirmed that a military official at the country’s diplomatic mission in New Zealand has been charged with sexual assault and that he returned home last month using diplomatic immunity.

Anifah told reporters Tuesday that a defense ministry panel will investigate the junior official and “stern action will be taken” if he is found guilty.

He said the accused will be sent back to New Zealand “if it is absolutely necessary.” Asked to elaborate, Anifah said he will be extradited if New Zealand requests it or if New Zealand thinks the Malaysian investigation is not being conducted properly.

He says Malaysia was willing to waive diplomatic immunity but decided to take up New Zealand’s offer to invoke diplomatic immunity and bring him back back home.

McCulley’s demanding an audience with the Malaysian Ambassador a month after the offence took place was obviously motivated by political considerations rather than considerations of relationships with Malaysia and appeared calculating in the extreme.

But this new disclosure opens up the Prime Minister to some serious questions. Did New Zealand actually tell Malaysia not to invoke diplomatic immunity? And if it did then why did John Key say otherwise?

Update: TV3 has just reported on the issue and did not make any comment on the suggestion that Malaysia was willing to waive immunity.  What is going on?

Further update:  Following is a screenshot of a statement by McCully.  So Malaysia thought that refusing to waive immunity would be acceptable to New Zealand.  Details of the “informal communications” needs to be released so that we can judge for ourselves what was actually discussed and agreed to.  McCully is probably thinking that standing for the list only is not such a bad idea.

McCully email

208 comments on “Was John Key telling the truth about the Malaysian Diplomat?”

  1. Tracey 1

    because internal polling found nzers dont like foreigners getting away with raping kiwi women.

    I questioned keys statement this morning and asked for proof he demanded anything.

    h/t self

    • Ronnie Chow 1.1

      It’s easy to be cynical. In fact, it’s kind of trendy. Cynicism passes for wisdom.Cynicism doesn’t invent the Internet. Cynicism doesn’t give women the right to vote. Cynicism is a choice—hope is a better choice..

      • Tracey 1.1.1

        it is not easy to be cynical. those who think john key is honest find cynicism very hard despite over 100 instances of him misleading them.

        my comment was tongue in cheek.

        now that govt has released docs under oia showing its true position I await their release of information of where the 2600 u20 single mums they crowed about, have gone., like any govt with nothing to hide will do. I hope.

      • Anne 1.1.2

        Cynicism is frequently borne out of personal experience Ronnie Chow. When you have witnessed or been the target of political malevolence then you learn to follow the cynical path unless evidence to the contrary is forthcoming.

        In the case of this National government : they have apparently known about this situation for some weeks and I suspect that for political reasons, they hoped to get out of any responsibility for bringing the perpetrator to justice. It suited them to pass the buck back to Malaysia. The victim of the crime would have been their last consideration. But then the story went public and, with an election just around the corner, they suddenly had to change their minds.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 1.1.2.1

          Bollocks. The government had no practical choice but to honour the Vienna Convention.

          The media narrative is relevant how (other than Sept 20th)?

      • Skottowe 1.1.3

        @ Ronnie Chow: what on earth are you talking about? Is this a case of “my leader right or wrong”?

  2. Weepu's beard 2

    “There were some vague things. I’ll have to check.”

  3. karol 3

    Yes, the question is why?

    I can only come up with TPP – NZ for US wanting to keep Malaysia on side in negotiations with APEC countries.

    • srylands 3.1

      You have drawn a twisted conclusion based on Malaysian media reports, translated into English. I suggest you await the facts.

      • karol 3.1.1

        Yes. I was just puzzled because there seems to be no reason why NZ would ask diplomatic immunity.

        There’s an update on Stuff:

        The NZ documents, obtained by Fairfax Media under the Official Information Act, show the Ministry of Foreign Affairs wrote to the Malaysian high commission in Wellington asking it to waive diplomatic immunity for Muhammad Rizalman bin Ismail.

        The documents also show that the high commission refused to waive immunity and sought to seal the police file on the case.

        The high commission also informed the New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs that it had “decided that he should be repatriated to Malaysia as soon as possible”.
        [...]
        During the discussion on May 12, “the New Zealand side had offered an alternative for the accused to be brought back to Malaysia.”

        Rizalman and his family returned to Malaysia on May 22, with the agreement of the New Zealand authorities, Anifah said.

        Prime Minister John Key said before a suppression hearing in the case that he wanted Rizalman tried here.

        “We sent a very strong message that we didn’t want him sent home.”

        • Tracey 3.1.1.1

          what were the dates on the letters?

            • Tracey 3.1.1.1.1.1

              so stuff hasnt linked to the docs it got via OIA?

            • Tracey 3.1.1.1.1.2

              10 may 2014 mfat tells malaysia the nz police want to proceed with prosecution.

              21 may 2014 malaysia told mfat it would not waive immunity and offender would be leaving nz the next day.

              no evidence john key was making anything very clear to malaysia as he claims.

              • karol

                On the document to the right of my link above @ 6.55pm, there’s a photo of a letter from MFAT to the Malaysian High Commission informing them of the arrest and asking for them to waive diplomatic immunity.

                I’ll see if I can link to the specific document.

                But no evidence of Key saying anything.

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  There’s no value in wasting this kind of energy against an incumbent government. National are open on all eight sides, and this ain’t one of them.

                  • fisiani

                    This is just an attempted smear against Honest John Key.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      There’s a reason you had to say “Honest” John, and everyone* knows what it is.

                      *apart from Nakiman and David Garrett.

                    • mickysavage

                      Na fisi. My post carefully presented both sides and asked the question about why there is a difference. If Slater had this there would have been four posts up and claims that the Labour leader had been caught out lying again.

                    • halfcrown

                      ” Honest John Key.”

                      Are you taking the piss?

              • karol

                Washington Post adds this:

                He said that initially Malaysia was willing to waive diplomatic immunity so that he could be tried in New Zealand. “But during discussions on May 12, the New Zealand side offered an alternative for the accused to be brought back to Malaysia,” he said. “It was never our intention to treat the matter lightly.”
                [...]
                However, New Zealand officials did not offer any immediate response to Anifah’s claims about a May 12 meeting and deal.

                • mickysavage

                  Thanks Karol. It always pays to not accept the initial version of events just in case there is something more …

                  The question will be if the further discussion did occur what Key knew about it.

                  • karol

                    The Stuff report has the bit about a meeting on May 12th.

                    The Malaysian High Commissioner had a meeting in Wellington with the deputy chief of protocol at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade and police officers on May 12 to address the matter.

                    Malaysia’s foreign ministry was prepared to waive diplomatic immunity to enable prosecution under New Zealand law to proceed, Anifah said.

                    During the discussion on May 12, “the New Zealand side had offered an alternative for the accused to be brought back to Malaysia.”

                    This report – looks like Malaysian? Adds a bit extra:

                    Anifah said the Malaysian High Commissioner had a meeting with the Deputy Chief of Protocol of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade of New Zealand (MFAT) and New Zealand police officials to address the matter on May 12.

                    “At the same time, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Malaysia was prepared to waive diplomatic immunity of the accused to enable prosecution under New Zealand law against him to proceed.

                    “During the discussion (on May 12), the New Zealand side had offered an alternative for the accused to be brought back to Malaysia. It was never our intention to treat the matter lightly,” he said.

                    Anifah said Mindef had given its assurance and commitment that it would not compromise or conceal any facts on the case, being fully aware that Malaysia’s good name was at stake.

                    • Tracey

                      have mccully, key or mfat denied the malaysian version of the may 12 meeting? If not, it is the only “evidence” in public of what was said there.

                      Maurice williamson never mentioned the victims in his faux mea culpa. Mccully and key have not mentioned the victim of the attempted rape ( not by name of course, but to represent her in this)

                      There is a pattern.

                      This is about diplomatic immunity but only because there was an attempted rape. Mcully doesnt have the balls to truly stand for this woman publicallybecause trade with malaysia is more important than sending a message about treatment of women.

                    • srylands

                      “This is about diplomatic immunity but only because there was an attempted rape. Mcully doesnt have the balls to truly stand for this woman publicallybecause trade with malaysia is more important than sending a message about treatment of women.”

                      That is complete bullshit. The Government did everything it reasonably could to get the guy handed over. You are the one who is playing politics around a rape. You, Tracey, are trying to make political capital out of a woman’s tragedy.

                      These situations are complex. You are trying to find real or imagined inconsistencies in different versions of what happened so you can say “He is lying”. Well there will always be such inconsistencies.

                      Phil Goff will know that this event would have been handled exactly the same under the last Labour Government.

                      So go back to your couch and stop playing politic with rape.

                    • Tracey

                      BS

                      the only evidence on the table about the 12 may meeting is that nz said no dont waive immunity just get him out of the country.

                      That is not standing tough demanding justice for a nz woman. No wonder you cherry pick because this govt wanted it swept under the carpet.

                      I dont care what goff would have done, and if your guess is right, it is another reason to urge his retirement.

      • Tracey 3.1.2

        yes we agree.

        cf lius statements translated into english BUT more importantly compare how quickly docs from mfat were released under oia to support govt position yet banks and williamsons letters withheld by govt.

      • dimebag russell 3.1.3

        @slylands
        the fact is that john keys cant lie straight in bed.

        • srylands 3.1.3.1

          Well you are in a minority on that front. He is liked and trusted by most people.

          You must get to the point where you suffer from cognitive dissonance. How are you going cope if he is still Prime Minister in 2018?

          http://find.ipsos.co.nz/Fairfax-Ipsos/14.02/Poll14.02.18/preferred-pm.html

          • dimebag russell 3.1.3.1.1

            @slylands
            are you a doctor or something?
            john keys has been sold like toothpaste or haemarrhoid powder.
            he will be gone on September 20.
            he is an evil spirit who is about to be zapped by the forces of good.

          • Richard 3.1.3.1.2

            I agree with you…we should await the facts. Just like Key should have awaited the facts on the Liu donations and not have tried to smear Labour with unfounded gossip.

          • Steve Reeves 3.1.3.1.3

            I don’t think that most people would agree that 52% is “most people”.

          • Draco T Bastard 3.1.3.1.4

            He is liked and trusted by most people.

            Ah, the lots of people do this so it must be right logical fallacy beloved of rather stupid RWNJs.

          • framu 3.1.3.1.5

            ” He is liked and trusted by most people.”

            by those that were A) contacted and B) bothered to reply

            from a poll of 1000 people or so thats nothing like “most people” – not even close

          • Skottowe 3.1.3.1.6

            @ Srylands: ” He is liked and trusted by most people.”

            Most people in NZ have never met him; and many of those “most people” pay virtually no attention to politics, beyond what’s shown on the TV news, unless it’s election year. And often not even then. Thus they have no basis on which to have any sort of opinion at all, let alone “like and trust”. The truth is, they rely on the press to tell them what to think about him.

        • srylands 3.1.3.2

          and it is “srylands”

          • One Anonymous Bloke 3.1.3.2.1

            S Rylands, merchant of dogma, callous incompetent, child-slayer. The anti-Midas, picker of flaccid cherries, I wallow in your corpsy gracelessness.

          • bad12 3.1.3.2.2

            Have you recovered from your previous tantrum SSLands, and, ‘it” as in you is what we say ”it” is, how many times do you have to be told…

      • Tracey 3.1.4

        oops Alice…

        It seems staggering that no heads have rolled over the Malaysian diplomat crisis.

        It would be surprising if Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully and Foreign Affairs and Trade boss John Allen haven’t already offered to fall on their swords.

        Their handling of the response to a Malaysian diplomat being charged with attempted rape is worse than a fiasco, it is a tragedy for the alleged victim.

        Prime Minister John Key has been hung out to dry over his repeated public assurances that the Government did everything in its power to have the diplomat tried in New Zealand.

        The emerging story from Malaysia suggests those assurances fell short of the reality, which was that Malaysia was initially happy to waive diplomatic immunity.

        McCully now concedes that “informal” discussions between New Zealand and Malaysia at the very least left Malaysia with the impression that we were happy to explore other options. These include forgoing a criminal trial in New Zealand for a military trial in Malaysia.

        However, it appears that it took a call from Malaysia’s foreign minister to inform McCully of that fact, which begs the question of why there was not full and frank disclosure from MFAT.

        It all leaves a nasty taste in the mouth that New Zealand officials would have preferred to make the problem disappear, rather than seek justice for the alleged victim of what must have been a terrifying attack.

        In non-diplomatic speak, it smacks of a coverup.

        tracy watkins. stuff.co.nz

        • alwyn 3.1.4.1

          It is difficult not to think that MFAT was deliberately trying to screw the Government.
          Mind you, any Department that was happy to employ Cunliffe and Robertson and also to leak like a sieve to Goff is unlikely to observe the rule of “no surprises” when dealing with a National Minister.
          Why can we not have a neutral, apolitical, Public Service?

  4. Dee 4

    John Key is useless with Foreign Affairs. He is also useless with women’s rights, hence abysmal treatment of single mothers and now willing to overlook a rape. Well that is nice for the victim.

    • cogito 4.1

      Key will always overlook anything/anyone that does not generate a profit. Victims will therefore always be overlooked as they are a cost.

  5. ffloyd 5

    Don’t think paddy has caught up with this one. Just had him on doing using keys version. Lol.

    • Weepu's beard 5.1

      They’ll all run with John Key’s version because to do otherwise would put their career at risk. It’s been shown John Key and Steven Joyce call media personally when they don’t like what is being reported.

  6. freedom 6

    attn: Mickysavage,
    Is this line missing a little something?
    “TV3 has just reported on the issue and did make any comment on the suggestion that Malaysia was willing to waive immunity.”

    just delete this after edit is done

    [Thanks freedom. I missed out a "not". Now inserted - MS]

  7. One Anonymous Bloke 7

    Stop the press.

    The lying Prime Minister may have told the truth. Stand by for further updates and an exclusive interview with the boy who cried “wolf”!

  8. Tracey 8

    funny how quickly nz govt dept got out those docs under OIA to prove key and mccullys version.

    cf banks and williamson letters on liu .

    • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1

      Here’s how it went down: the lying Prime Minister contacted elements of the Malaysian government who have given large donations to the National Party.

      Lying Prime Minister: Do me a favour Ibrahim.

      Anonymous Malaysian border official: sure thing codename Goldman.

      Lying Prime Minister: make sure you release your false narrative after my public statement but before the OIA request goes in.

      Anonymous Malaysian border official: why can’t you just be honest about your agenda and murder a few ‘citizens’ to set an example?

      Lying Prime Minister: ‘Citizens’, you crack me up Ibrahim. We good?

      Anonymous Malaysian border official: yep, good to go.

      Colin Craig: this is my recurring dream!

    • srylands 8.2

      Yes it is called being in Government. You think that Helen Clark didn’t ruthlessly tilt the playing field in the management of OIA releases? You should park your faux outrage. Are you an Epsom Green Voter? You have that Sauvingy edge to you.

      • One Anonymous Bloke 8.2.1

        Look everyone: a personal attack on another commenter from a policy maggot with a vested interest.

        Quelle surprise.

      • North 8.2.2

        Hey SSLands. Couple of hours ago you were crying that you could tolerate something no more. Intolerant or incompetent or incontinent or something. You’re back in one shitty piece. What goes scurvy dog ? Also, stop stalking Helen you steaming weirdo.

      • framu 8.2.3

        whats with the fucking attitude?

  9. nadis 9

    I think the obvious answer is the simplest. The Malaysian FM is making shite up. The OIA docs say that – unless there is a conspiracy that goes much deeper?

    • mickysavage 9.1

      These are the last documents. There would have been all sorts of discussions before then recorded in documents. Wait and see …

  10. Grumpy 10

    What a stupid question, of course John Key was telling the truth – as always!

    • dimebag russell 10.1

      liar.
      john keys does not lie straight in bed.
      his profession is taking peoples money away from them by sleight of hand.

    • framu 10.2

      tell that to standard and poors

  11. North 11

    The public must have the unvarnished, non-spun truth here – disgust overwhelmed when I saw ShonKey trying pregnantly to pose as Everyman on this one. Brainfade or won’t talk, we’ll know…..

    Update: TVOne News reporting claim that Malyasian Foreign Affairs offered to waive immunity…..big question is when…..?

    We’ll know even better were Dame Edna’s estranged husband, the famed Queenslander and semi-retired diplomat who moonlights as NZ’s MFAT minister, viz. Sir LesMurray PattersonMcCully – were he ‘motivated’ to fall on his ceremonial sword. In East Coast Bays !

    Picture it – “I told the PM’s office…..I acknowledge that under the PM’s excellent OECD leading ‘higher standards’ ‘no surprises’ policy I SHOULD have spoken to the PM directly. That was difficult at the time as you can imagine since the PM was hungrily sucking POTUSANUS in Washington…..but whatever…..(sob)….I am unworthy of the GodKey warrant….”

    Last seen strolling Stanmore Bay beach…..variously reciting ‘fundy’ protestant doctrine and ‘lipssmackingly’ scanning pics of the Rose Garden – NZ Embassy Washington.

    My God – ShonKey-Python-Planet-Land…..

  12. dv 12

    Its got to be a bad situation when you have to have documented proof because you can’t trust the Govt.

  13. Paul Grant 13

    Dee. I find your comments disgraceful. I very much doubt you would say he overlooked rape to the PM’s face but here you hide behind your keyboard.
    Your hate is palpable. It will be to your own detriment. Get alife

    • One Anonymous Bloke 13.1

      Much better things to do to his face if you ask me.

    • framu 13.2

      oh i would happily say much worse things to his face

      i dont have a problem with making my feelings known to crooks and liars

  14. philj 14

    xox
    McCully looked very uncomfortable and unintelligible on the TV tonight.

  15. ianmac 15

    Of course the preliminary discussion could have been as the Malaysian Foreign Minister said. Then in order to sweep the whole story out of sight during Election Year, they formalised the NZ version. Get the ratbag out of the country and out of sight.

    Could both versions be correct?

  16. Once was Pete 16

    According to NZH online a few minutes ago, the Govt has released correspondence confirming NZ requested Malaysia drop diplomatic immunity. Apparently Malaysia refused and immediately gave notice they were repatriating the offender.
    Unless, something changes that settles the matter as far as Key’s public statements are concerned. There appear to be no irregularities.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 16.1

      Incumbent government takes credit for BAU.

    • mickysavage 16.2

      Unless there was a prior nod nod wink wink and the Malaysians then decided to have their diplomat return home.

      • karol 16.2.1

        Yes. Washington Post is reporting that the Malaysian Foreign Minister is saying there was an agreement made between the dates of the 2 letters released under OIA.

        • mickysavage 16.2.1.1

          A subsequent nod and wink. It is amazing that two western commonwealth nations are disagreeing with each other about such a matter.

        • srylands 16.2.1.2

          Yes well when MH370 went missing the Malaysian authorities were such a model of transparency. Let’s believe everything they say here.

          You are letting your bizarre and irrational distrust of John Key cloud your judgement.

          • karol 16.2.1.2.1

            And Team Key is a model of transparency?

            Well, I’ll be interested to see Key’s/MFAT’s response to the claims about the May 12 meeting. No response as yet.

  17. hoom 17

    What? John Key initially said A, turned out C was closer to the truth but actually it was Z? Again? Who’dathunkit O.o

  18. Kath 18

    Malaysian media now agree that NZ requested that diplomatic immunity be waived. Also that NZ requested that the Malaysian warrant officer be returned. Malaysian media talking of “our shame”. This as much as anything may see his return.

    If he is tried under shariah in Malaysia , she will need 4 male witnesses (God knows why in any circumstance any 4 males would simply watch a rape in progress – misogynistic and gross in the extreme).

    • mickysavage 18.1

      Do you have a link Kath?

        • kath 18.1.1.1

          Thank you Joe – this is typical of the Malaysian media response.

          • mickysavage 18.1.1.1.1

            Um you say Malaysian media but it looks like someone’s blog site. And there is talk of a meeting on May 12 where the business was actually discussed. I don’t think we can put this one to bed yet …

            • joe90 18.1.1.1.1.1

              Links inside MS.

              edit: .my search

            • karol 18.1.1.1.1.2

              From what’s being said (and not said) on both sides, this is the way it looks to me:

              MFAT asked for diplomatic immunity to be waived. They met with the Malaysian High Commission people, who wanted to uphold diplomatic immunity. There were discussions and some negotiating. The NZ people then suggested a possible alternative – for Ismail to be removed from NZ and tried in Malaysia.

              They had hoped for it to be kept away from the media. Once it hit the MSM, both sides are trying to talk tough to their citizens, and save face.

              • Scott1

                Sounds like a reasonable analysis.

                I was imagining the exact informal statement might have involved diplomatic immunity being ‘offered’ along the lines of

                “You could apply for diplomatic immunity, or you could”

                And the Malaysians taking that as an offer when it was more meant as a impartial analysis of the possible moves and consequences.

                Still, the sort of thing the government might not want to come out.

    • Bastables 18.2

      I’m sure you can provide a citation when and how saudi style shariah law is applied within a commonwealth state that follows a tradition of British common law. So British that it is fact in a time warp where rape is defined as only vaginal penetration. Other forms of rape falling under molestation or sodomy charges as per the older UK misogynistic interpretations of “rape”.

      Im sure you’ll also discuss how the requirement of four witness was actually a bar to halt charges of adultery leveled against Aeisha as opposed to the later conservative free wheeling interpretation as a valid bar for rape trials.

      Or you’re just a bigoted Islamophobic, because you know scary foreigner mooslims with no references to the actual almost traditional problems of colonial UK misogynistic law allied with Judges being allowed to set minimum penalties.

  19. RedBaronCV 19

    My heart goes out to the young lady who has had her life so drastically changed though no action of her own.
    The sight of her now being reabused by the governments of New Zealand and Malaya is appalling.

    The knowledge that community organisations such rape crisis, victim support and ACC counselling have no real funds to help her and others like her is a decision of a Nact government who couldn’t care less.

    • BLiP 19.1

      ^^^This.

    • freedom 19.2

      Well said RedBaronCV

      highlighted somewhat by McCully’s words

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11285543

      Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully earlier said the Solicitor-General had advised the Government abide by the suppression ruling while it was in place.

      “I can’t see any good public policy reason why you’d want to protect someone from publicity given there won’t be a trial.”

      Surely he meant to add ‘in New Zealand’ to that statement? Or is it yet another disgustingly ignorant example of how the impact of this event upon the victim is never considered by those in power?

      • Tracey 19.2.1

        mccully doesnt consider the possibility of someone getting away with trying to rape a woman worthy of keeping an eye on. Didnt think to make a note for himself in his diary to follow up the attempted rape issue.

        ” Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully says he was never told a Malaysian diplomat accused of attempted rape had left the country having invoked diplomatic immunity.

        McCully said he was informed that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) had asked Malaysia to waive diplomatic immunity for Muhammad Rizalman bin Ismail shortly after the diplomat was arrested for allegedly attacking a 21-year-old woman in her home.

        And that was the last I heard about it.

        • karol 19.2.1.1

          I seem to remember around the time of some Rugby World Cup cock-ups in Auckland, people described McCully as very hands on and a bit of a control freak. I searched for references to it and found….. someone called “tracey” commented on Red Alert calling McCully a well known control freak.

          Anyway, someone who is very hands on would surely have known what happened after the request for diplomatic immunity be waived.

          • Tracey 19.2.1.1.1

            I have some knowledge of him from a previous portfolio. He was chronically hands on a crown entity so i doubt he would be hands off his ministry, unless he didnt give a shit.

          • Tracey 19.2.1.1.2

            from kiwiblog

            Unintentionally hilarious
            April 5th, 2012 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar
            John Armstrong writes in the NZ Herald:

            To the list of credibility-deficient statements like “the cheque is in the mail” and “your table will be ready in a few minutes” you can now add “Murray McCully is not a micro-manager”.

            In the Foreign Minister’s absence – McCully was heading for China yesterday – another minister, Chris Finlayson, drew the short straw in having to answer questions in Parliament on McCully’s behalf as the Opposition continued to press its attack over the botched restructuring of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

            Finlayson had been making a reasonable fist of deflecting that attack until he suddenly made his hard-to-swallow statement about McCully’s management style.

            McCully has been the power behind more thrones than Robespierre and Rasputin combined. The picture painted of McCully as some political innocent oblivious to the goings-on in his ministry had the Opposition benches in stitches of genuine laughter.

            I have to confess I was also laughing out loud to the statement that “Murray McCully is not a micro-manager”.

            I recall this story in the Herald:

            The diplomatic corps has been wildly complimentary about the forum. “Spectacular” one described it yesterday – both in terms of organisation and diplomatic opportunities.

            McCully has been up to his elbows in the detail of organisation, making Helen Clarks’ micro-management style look like neglect. Yesterday he was still at it, arranging for a New Zealand rugby expert to sit next to China’s Vice-Foreign Minister Cui Tiankai at the opening World Cup game to explain the oddities of the game.

            If Murray isn’t a micro-manager, then Grace Quek is a virgin.

            Having said that, it is worth noting that Murray’s fine attention to detail sometimes leads to very good outcomes – the Rugby World Cup organisation being one example, and the Pacific Forum another. However it doesn’t generally win him many nominations in the “Most loved Minister by the civil service” category.

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            • karol 19.2.1.1.2.1

              Thanks. So it really doesn’t seem that credible that McCully wouldn’t have asked to be kept informed…. unless, unlike his work in other areas, he just doesn’t give a shit about a woman being the victim of robbery and attempted rape.

              • Tracey

                my thoughts exactly. And this idea that he is sorry and taking responsibility..

                Again, personal responsibility on planet key is only for those on benefits.

                Key and joyce will be seriously considering this as manna from heaven, colin craig-wise

        • freedom 19.2.1.2

          His behaviour, even more so than his answers in the House, today exposed a man in turmoil who knows that what is coming from his mouth is a litany of bullshit and shines a spotlight upon his complete lack of concern for the victim.

          Urgent Debate now happening in the House

          • Tracey 19.2.1.2.1

            The thing is he released two documents yesterday. When the malaysians challenged his and the liar in chief versions, he seems to have found additional materia… But that “material” has not been released to the public.

            • freedom 19.2.1.2.1.1

              notice that at no time has McCully said the simple words;

              ‘When first informed I demanded that I be kept fully informed of the developing situation.’

              • Tracey

                well, it was just attempted rape freedom, nothing to stick in his mind as important

  20. Mike 20

    Labour seems to have a deathwish. Micky Savage should know being a lawyer that the Government had no choice except to follow the diplomatic immunity regulations. The NZ public as confirmed by the polls are not interested in this conspiracy mode the Labour Party are in. Until you start talking about sensible policies that affect peoples future you are destined to languish as an also ran party.

    • Sanctuary 20.1

      I am not so sure, it now looks like McCully and his gutted ministry have bungled things. Again. If the allegations that we sent “mixed messages” are true, and McCully sat on his hands until the media got hold of the story, then McCully must resign.

    • mickysavage 20.2

      Que? Malaysia says that it offered to waive diplomatic immunity but NZ gave them the message that they did not have to. McCully has then created an international incident by selectively releasing part of the file and implying the Malaysian foreign minister was lying. And there are major doubts about the veracity of what Key said. Or do you see it otherwise? Or are you just trying to divert attention?

      • karol 20.2.1

        And now both sides, after consultation with each other, are saying maybe their statements to each other over what to do about Ismail, were “ambiguous”

      • Matthew Hooton 20.2.2

        To believe that Key is lying, you have to believe:

        1) The Malaysian government said “hey, we think we’ll waive diplomatic immunity”. (This is deeply, deeply implausible. Why would Malaysia have offered this?)
        2) The NZ government said “no, no, you invoke it, we don’t want to put this guy on trial” (This is even more implausible – why on earth would NZ have turned down an offer to waive immunity?)
        3) John Key knew this but nevertheless took the risk of saying the exact opposite happened
        4) Fake or misleading MFAT documents were released by the government under the OIA even at the risk of the Malaysians retaliating by revealing the true documents proving (1) and (2) above.

        You then have to give some sort of motive for any of this behaviour.

        Do you see that your hatred of Key is putting you in 9/11-denier territory?

        I’d go back to talking more about poverty, education and so forth if I were you.

        • mickysavage 20.2.2.1

          I am not accusing Key of lying. I am pointing out that what he said may not be correct. I am interested in how a situation has been created where what we were told by the PM looks like it may not be correct.

        • karol 20.2.2.2

          It sounds more that it went like this:

          MFAT asked for diplomatic immunity to be waived. They met with the Malaysian High Commission people, who wanted to uphold diplomatic immunity, but would have been prepared to waive immunity as their bottom line (may not have stated their bottom line to the MFAT people). There were discussions and some negotiating. The NZ people then suggested a possible alternative – for Ismail to be removed from NZ and tried in Malaysia.

          They had hoped for it to be kept away from the media. Once it hit the MSM, both sides are trying to talk tough to their citizens, and save face.

        • RedBaronCV 20.2.2.3

          Really Mathew- so the right of someone not to be subjected to rape is irrelevant ? We should talk about something else? Doesn’t the right believe rape exists – they won’t put any funding towards it.

          Ask yourself a better question Mathew. Why has everyone been so secretive about this? Usually when there is diplomatic criminal offending:
          1) The news is onto it straight away
          2) Any country that is not going to waive their diplomatic immunity has the diplomat out of the coutry so fast that you can’t blink.

          Neither of those happened here.

        • Pete 20.2.2.4

          Key has a habit of talking first and asking questions later. There are things he just doesn’t want to know or can’t be bothered knowing or are politically convenient to not be aware of. Now you could say that delegation is important for any leader, but his tendency to speak with assurance when he doesn’t have the full facts at his disposal is the mark of a bullshit artist.

          In this case it has embarrassed us before the Malaysian government and more importantly has done a great disservice to the victim of Rizalman’s attack.

          • Colonial Viper 20.2.2.4.1

            Both the Malaysian and the Singaporean governments understand John Key and his Government very well by this stage, and neither would be in the least bit surprised.

        • Molly 20.2.2.5

          Key often lies, that is not the issue here.

          The question is – are the stories reported in the Daily Mail true?

          How can they be investigated for truth – ie. direct contact with Malaysian Foreign Minister Anifah Aman (or Daily Mail) to confirm the veracity of the statement printed:
          “He said the accused will be sent back to New Zealand “if it is absolutely necessary.” Asked to elaborate, Anifah said he will be extradited if New Zealand requests it or if New Zealand thinks the Malaysian investigation is not being conducted properly.

          He says Malaysia was willing to waive diplomatic immunity but decided to take up New Zealand’s offer to invoke diplomatic immunity and bring him back back home.

          If he stands by this statement, then ask if he is able to provide any proof of this conversation.

          This is probably the work of a competent investigative journalist.

          If true: Why would our government do this?

          1. Don’t want this international incident during election year – might have impacted on the feel good vibe of the Royal Visit…
          2. If I came from the dark side – Crosby/Textor – my reasoning would be that John Key will look mighty strong if we sent him back despite a compliant Malaysian High Commission to keep him here, and then utilise that compliance to have him extradited or charged. The victim is forgotten, the opportunity for grandstanding is taken.
        • cogito 20.2.2.6

          @Matthew Hooton

          The issue arises as Key is a habitual liar. In fact it is questionable whether Key even has the ability any more to distinguish between the truth and a lie.

          Hatred towards Key is fully justified, as NZ does not need – nor should it have – a CORRUPT LIAR as PM.

        • dimebag russell 20.2.2.7

          @Hooton.
          and slylands.
          the facts are that keys and mcully are a pair of lightweights who thinkeverybody else in the world is a s gutless as they are.
          now deny that!

  21. mike 21

    There are varying reports which party said what, but my point is do you think this is important to the people Labour purports to represent?

    • karol 21.1

      the people Labour purports to represent?

      Like women, for instance? Like the woman who survived Ismail’s attempted rape?

    • RedBaronCV 21.2

      Yes plenty of women vote and after this it won’t be for Nact. The life of this girl matters and she shouldn’t be being reabused by the power of the NZ government. It really underlines the difference between those who want to govern on behalf of the community and those who think only of themselves – it goes to the heart of the Labour Nact difference.
      (Apart from that I really am restraining myself from calling you some choice names)

  22. mike 22

    Mathew Hooten has it exactly right. Deal with the issues that matter to everyday people. The attempted rape is a Police/diplomatic matter and by turning into another Labour beat up will not help the victim one bit. You are stooping pretty low to use this woman’s frightening experience to score political points. Still by now we should realise this is what the left do now.Michael Savage, David Lange & Norman Kirk would turn in their graves at your antics.

    • mickysavage 22.1

      Mike have you actually read the post? Are you not concerned that the PM may have fed the public a false impression and that through bungling there is now something of an international incident between NZ and one of its largest markets?

      • Tracey 22.1.1

        look mickey, what IS it about the left? Its not like john key signed a painting for charity that he didnt paint. This is just a deal to sweep an attempted rape under the carpet that went public. Perspective. Please.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 22.2

      Hey Mike, your misogyny is showing.

  23. RedBaronCV 23

    And at the initial district court hearing the lawyer was instructed (by whom?) to ask for legal aid according to Stuff.

    Where the hell was the Malaysian High Commission’s cheque book? “Rizalman’s employer and others were in court” but apparently didn’t want to pay?
    We fund them but not anything for her.

  24. Mike 24

    Standard left tactics. If your arguments don’t work be personally offensive!

    • One Anonymous Bloke 24.1

      NB: reference to your misogyny is not a personal attack: it is a criticism of your behaviour. Learn to tell the difference.

      • srylands 24.1.1

        But you do engage in personal attacks – on me. And this is a hallmark of extremist left activists like you. I see it constantly.

        • One Anonymous Bloke 24.1.1.1

          Yes, I do, maggot. As do you, on Tracey, on McFlock etc.

          If you opened your other eye you’d see that it isn’t confined to the Left, either. You’d also see a few on both sides who don’t indulge, and you ain’t one of them any more than I am.

          Still, I doubt very much that will stop your dishonest pretence that it is confined to one side, and when it comes down to it, mendacity is far worse than the odd insult.

          • framu 24.1.1.1.1

            “mendacity is far worse than the odd insult”

            amen – im constantly amazed that people have an outlook on life that actively shits on people yet get all huffy over a word or two

            • Colonial Viper 24.1.1.1.1.1

              of course that is so, for one must strive to maintain a measure of civility and decorum even as one is engaging in active suppression of the unruly, uncouth and unwashed masses

        • Tracey 24.1.1.2

          And your personal attacks? Are they the hallmarks of extremeist right activists like you?

        • framu 24.1.1.3

          ” I see it constantly.”

          might have more to do with how you engage with the world

          people are rude to you because of you – end of story.

          • srylands 24.1.1.3.1

            No, the only people who I have encountered who are rude are members of a subset of the commentators here.

            • framu 24.1.1.3.1.1

              look turd face

              when you come round to someone house and constantly make snide comments and insult the hosts decor its not going to be long before the more vocal people present tell you to get the fuck out of the house

              you conduct yourself like an alpha superior uber human – you might not use any sailor words, but your still offensive and rude to many many people

              stop being so precious and pathetic

              • McFlock

                To be fair, at least ssylands has left his sheltered, privileged community – apparently nobody else he has ever encountered in his entire life has been in the slightest bit rude.

                Of course, that’s another of his fucking lies. If he’d never encountered rudeness before, he’d not be able to recognise it. But he knows exactly what people mean when they call him (for example) “a fucking piece of shit”, because he seems to get quite irritated.

                • Tracey

                  Although yesterday he declared he must be called “sylands” , i shall call him Alice

                  “If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn’t. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn’t be. And what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?”
                  ― Lewis Carroll, Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

            • Colonial Viper 24.1.1.3.1.2

              No, the only people who I have encountered who are rude are members of a subset of the commentators here.

              And yet you keep coming back for more and more you pathetic lying shit, despite our best efforts to tell you to fuck off.

    • Tracey 24.2

      you are not familiar with mr slaters blog then?

    • framu 24.3

      its like all the years of screaming “feminazi” and the subsequent 5 years of nat govt that constantly runs dirty smears and always engages in negative antics in the house didnt happen

      whatever mike – go cry in your pillow if thats all youve got

  25. Te Reo Putake 25

    One thing is certain; Murray McCully just ended his time as MP for East Coast Bays.

    • ffloyd 25.1

      Underarm bowl from teamkey? Sorry Murray, it’s been fun but it’s not working out now. See ya. ……………Gidday Colin, got a proposal for you, sit down, have a cup of tea.

      Watched mccully the other night on telly. Even with the sound turned down his immense discomfort was obvious. Skulduggery much!

      Anything of a sexual abuse nature should not have diplomatic immunity as a matter of course. I hope this girl’s ordeal is not swept under the carpet because of political expediency. It should be about her and what she went through and she should get the Justice that IS HER RIGHT!

    • Tracey 25.2

      interesting observation TRP

  26. Mike 26

    Only the left would play politics with an attempted rape. Never mind the victim!

    [You are now trolling. Final warning - MS]

    • One Anonymous Bloke 26.1

      First you deny that women are “everyday people”, then you feign outrage on behalf of the complainant.

      Of course you aren’t playing politics, no sirree.

      What hypocrisy.

    • Tracey 26.2

      as opposed to the right who tried to sweep it under the carpet (see evidence of 12 may meeting).

      • framu 26.2.1

        didnt collins make jokes about prison rape?

        • Tracey 26.2.1.1

          she hoped suspected looters “go to jail for a long time – with a cellmate”. Some critics thought the implied approval of prison rape as punishment was inappropriate coming from the Minister of Police and Corrections, particularly when it emerged one of the looters, Arie Smith-Voorkamp, had Asperger’s Syndrome. She refused to apologise, rejecting accusations she had implied anything of the sort.

  27. gobsmacked 27

    The opposition don’t need to “play politics”, as some put it. They don’t need to do anything except get Key on the record.

    Ask this question in Parliament, today:

    “When did the Prime Minister first learn of the case?”

    And if not answered, repeat until it is. No need to do more than that. The story will continue.

    • Tracey 27.1

      yes, but what do you mean by “learn”

      Read, get told, understand the implications, formulated a strategy…

      • gobsmacked 27.1.1

        Sure, Key could try and be evasive if he wants. That’s the point – that’s why the question is asked – not to get an answer (which we already know).

        • gobsmacked 27.1.1.1

          And here it is (2.20 pm today, Hansard):

          Hon David Cunliffe : On what date was he, his office, or his officials first advised of the alleged sex crime by a Malaysian diplomat, and what action did he then take?

          Rt Hon JOHN KEY : I was advised soon after the incident took place—so that would have been at some time in the latter part of May—that there was an incident involving someone from the Malaysian High Commission. I was not given details of it or that it was a sexual offence; just that there was an issue with a member there. I was formally advised of all of the details on Saturday.

          Italics added. Shame nobody from the opposition followed up immediately. It beggars belief that the PM or his office were told “there was an issue”, and then asked nothing further. If Key was deliberately kept out of the loop, that’s very serious. If he has lied to Parliament, that’s even more serious.

          • Tracey 27.1.1.1.1

            what happened to the “no surprises” policy used to find the letter from cunliffe in 2003?

            The offence was May 09 and the pm says he was wtold both

            “soon after the incident” and” the “latter part of May.”

            Which was it Mr Prime Minister?

  28. Molly 28

    New article on the Herald: McCully says sorry to Key over diplomat sex case.

    McCully taking the fall by the looks of it.

    • One Anonymous Bloke 28.1

      Gosh, yes, it wouldn’t do for the Prime Minister to be seen to be making misleading statements. His word is his bond.

      McCully will probably have to go, and there are bound to be those on the Left who will say “What a farce. Why can’t they just admit they need Crazy Colin to form a government instead of going through this feeble charade?”

      • McFlock 28.1.1

        Because it’s suddenly occurred to the tories that their credibility is so low they might lose the election :)

    • Tracey 28.2

      kind of. In a true example of this govts version of personal responsibility he is throwing his staff under the bus.

      And there were further documents but mccully chose to release only two yesterday which suited the version of the pm. Last week cunliffe was attacked for not researching enough before speaking, and yet he is the pm and his number one henchman…

      Asked about this, Mr McCully said: “I wouldn’t use those words. But I can understand having gone and looked at the material why his officials might have told him that.”

      • bad12 28.3.1

        Yes, the Malay’s i have met are very nice people and would express abhorrence at the actions of this particular diplomat,(i spent a great hour in Wellington’s Courtney Place a few years back with a group of Malay celebrating a birthday as the crowds of half/fully drunk NZer’s swirled about like schools of fish),

        Let us all not forget the victim in all this sordid mess as McCully appears to attempt to sweep the intricacies of diplomacy back under the carpet from where they have escaped,(obviously believing to have ”got away with it” after the alleged offender had been quietly shuffled off home with the news media effectively gagged by the court),

        There should be a constant and increasingly vocal call for this individual to be returned to this country to face the court over his alleged actions,

        You can bet that under ”NO surprises” it is highly likely McCully was briefed by Police about the identity of the offender soon after His arrest, and, it is also very likely that Slippery the Prime Minister also received a heads up from the Police under the same ”No surprises” policy,

        My opinion is hardening to the belief that this National Government have happily traded away the rights of the victim in this case for ‘smooth’ relations with the host country of the alleged offender,

        The question must also be put to the present Government surrounding payment of monies to the complainant for Her silence…

        • Tracey 28.3.1.1

          i doubt they would pay her anything, she is merely collateral damage to them

  29. Clemgeopin 29

    A snap debate is going on in the house on this government’s bungling/shady handling of the serious assault issue by the idiot diplomat.

    Mr Shearer who asked for the snap debate took the government to task in his very good fact based impassioned speech.

    I am VERY impressed with the speech by the Green party MP, Jan Logie. After listening to that speech, Murray McCully and Key should hang their heads in shame. It also now appears that the police have informed the victim of this alleged rape attack that she may have to travel to Malaysia to give evidence!

    I think this government and these two, what I consider as dubious bull shitting MPs, deserve to be unceremoniously defeated on Sept 20 for the extremely poor handling of this serious issue.

    • karol 29.1

      Yes. excellent speech from Logie.

      She said this;

      If the victims of violence were the central concern of govt, the Minister would have asked his official for information, not just wait to be told… If this victim was the central concern of the Minister he would have instructed his officials to do everything they could do to keep him in New Zealand.

      and she said this.

      A pattern is emerging, where govt says it takes violence against women seriously meanwhile a Minister is sacked for writing in defence of an abuser, a person disciplined for a previous assault is appointmented to a senior govt position and now this case.

      • Tracey 29.1.1

        Does anyone think the PM release about how much this govt cares about family violence, today, is a coincidence??

        This 21 year old was not told by mfat OR the police this guy had left or would leave nz, despite having it in writing on 21 May.

  30. bad12 30

    Phill Goff in the House now, pointing out that McCully would have ”known” soon after the Police arrest,

    Phill calls the alleged offense a burglary, it is not, a ”burg” is simply an offender breaking in looking to half inch some ‘goods’ when nobody is home,

    What is alleged is in fact a home invasion with aggravating circumstances…

    • karol 30.1

      I think Ismail was charged with “robbery” plus attempted rape. Articles said the robbery was part of his preparation to rape.

    • Te Reo Putake 30.2

      Burglary is the correct legal term, whatever the intent.

      http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330242.html

      • Tracey 30.2.1

        in parliament goff can call it whatever he likes.

        • Te Reo Putake 30.2.1.1

          Parliament is where the laws are made, so I guess MP’s prefer to use the correct term. After all, the man was actually charged with burglary, so if Goff was referring to that aspect of his alleged criminal behaviour, why wouldn’t he use an accurate legal description?

          • Tracey 30.2.1.1.1

            yea, goff never breaks parliamentary rules… Or breaches any ethical or moral codes. Even the pm refers to the sexual offense. But not goff, he would deny his own mother for the sake of trade

            • Te Reo Putake 30.2.1.1.1.1

              What are you on about? Goff referred to the burglary part of the alleged offences as a burglary. That doesn’t mean he ignored the sexual assault charge. Sheesh!

              If I’m wrong, tell me what you heard or saw him say or show me the parliamentary record … nah, just kidding. You’re obviously assuming the worst, based on bad12’s interpretation, so you don’t actually know what Goff said, do you?

              • bad12

                There is now a specific criminal charge that differentiates between a simple burglary and a home invasion for the purposes of violence,or, where violence does occur,

                my suggestion is intended to highlight this fact and that i think that in this case where the allegation is that the offender followed the victim home, using burglary as the tool to commit a further violent offense the home invasion charge would be more apprpriate than that of simple burglary…

                • Te Reo Putake

                  I think that provision was dropped a decade ago, bad. However, it’s now regarded as an aggravating factor in the sentencing guidelines. ie the crime is burglary, but the sentencing is based on it being a home invasion.

                  btw, any chance it wasn’t actually Phil Goff you were referring to, but David Shearer? I ask because Shearer introduced the snap debate and spoke at length on it.

                  edit: Goff did speak. This is what he said in his first sentence: “An alleged rape, or attempted rape, and a burglary by somebody who is a diplomatic representative of their country is a rare and extraordinary event in New Zealand.”

                  No prob’s with you raising the question about the use of ‘burglary’, bad. It’s an interesting topic. And no doubt Tracey will be swiftly apologising for jumping to conclusions …

              • Tracey

                i apologise. I have watched the speeches and should not have commented til I had. Apologies again.

      • North 30.2.2

        Crimes Act 1961 – Burglary – s.231

        231 Burglary

        (1) Every one commits burglary and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who—

        (a) enters any building or ship, or part of a building or ship, without authority and with intent to commit an imprisonable offence in the building or ship; or

        (b) having entered any building or ship, remains in it without authority and with intent to commit an imprisonable offence in the building or ship.

    • Tom Jackson 30.3

      How on earth are we supposed to believe that a foreign diplomat was arrested for attempted rape and that the PM and McCully didn’t know?

      I guess this now tells all foreign diplomats that they can get away with pretty much anything short of murder in NZ and the government won’t notice.

      • srylands 30.3.1

        I’m not surprised at all.

        • bad12 30.3.1.1

          Swamp amoeba like what you are SSLands have not the intellectual capacity to conceive or express surprise…

          [lprent: That lack of a point is starting to get tedious. Lift your standard. ]

          • Tracey 30.3.1.1.1

            sylands is a diplomat! !

          • srylands 30.3.1.1.2

            Who is SSlands?

            Just another example of your rudeness. You do yourself no credit behaving like this in life. You are a drug addict, and live embittered in a State House, and yet you have the gall to act superior to me. Get a grip.

            • bad12 30.3.1.1.2.1

              i can SSLands recommend a good cheese to accompany your latest whine…

            • lprent 30.3.1.1.2.2

              You are a drug addict, and live embittered in a State House…

              Strange criteria you have. I’m a drug addict. I need my daily statins, and I like my wine. I live in a house. Like bad12 there is one important criteria that you have to remember…

              I too can and do vote. Ultimately in a democracy like ours that is really the only useful political criteria.

              Incidentally, you do tend to suck with your rather patronising bullshit.

        • Tom Jackson 30.3.1.2

          So you admit that Key and McCully knew that a foreign diplomat invaded a NZ woman’s home and tried to rape her, and that they didn’t bother keeping track of what was a politically incendiary issue?

          If I was the PM, I would have sent one of my people to MFAT to keep me aware of absolutely everything that went down in this case. A representative of a foreign government tried to rape a NZer, and it is the government’s job to make sure that her right to justice was protected to the full extent possible.

          McCully should resign. He doesn’t seem to care about crime unless the public finds out about it.

          • srylands 30.3.1.2.1

            “If I was the PM, I would have sent one of my people to MFAT ”

            What people? You think the Prime Minister has “people” to send to MFAT? If you are using the threshold implied by this incident the PM would need about 5,000 “people” to dispatch all over Wellington each day to keep an eye on developments. You have clearly never worked in Government.

            • Tom Jackson 30.3.1.2.1.1

              Are you telling me that Key doesn’t have staff available to monitor politically important issues? Would it be so hard to have someone check up every day, or attend meetings at MFAT when necessary?

              You’re talking BS. I can’t think of any recent issue that is as sensitive or important as this one. What would the Malaysian dude have to have done to reach your threshold? Killed her?

            • felix 30.3.1.2.1.2

              “If you are using the threshold implied by this incident…”

              An international incidents involving attempted rape by a diplomat? Uh huh.

              “You have clearly never worked in Government.”

              You’re letting on way too much about yourself, miserylands.

              • Te Reo Putake

                It’s a shame Key didn’t have a compliant arselicker conveniently at hand to keep an eye on the goings on at MFaT. Maybe somebody who parks his car only ten minutes away from the MFaT office? On the Terrace, maybe? Does anyone know such a person?

                • felix

                  I do know of one, but unfortunately he has 5000 matters to attend to that are far more serious than attempted rape of a NZ citizen by a diplomat.

              • Tracey

                perhaps he used to be a mid grade official in the protocol division of a ministry cos he has some peculiar views about rudeness. Perhaps this has brought back bad memories of why he is now a carpark attendant?

                http://m.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10796531

            • gobsmacked 30.3.1.2.1.3

              OK, srylands, or anybody else, let’s role-play:

              An unspecified date in May:

              Official: “Prime Minister, a diplomat from Malaysia has been arrested, for a serious crime.”

              What do you say?

              • Tom Jackson

                PM: “What sort of crime”

                O. “Attempted rape”.

                PM: “Jesus f*cking Christ, this is so bad on so many levels. We can’t afford to let it be seen that NZ hasn’t done all it can to bring this creep to justice, and the Malaysians will be very embarrassed. We have to tow a fine line here.”

                O: “Yes, Prime Minister, I agree. What should we do”.

                PM: “Nothing. Let’s just ignore it. The public will never find out. I’m too busy making shit up about David Cunliffe. Anyway, the only people who care about rape are Green voters. We’ll just say that this bloke thought it was a bit of fun, and accuse anyone who disagrees of being a humourless lesbian”.

              • Ben Adam

                “Oh, shit! With election so close, can you keep it very low Key and under the public radar?”

              • Tracey

                sylands: will it affect the markets?

  31. As per media comments Key and McCully allegedly knew nothing. Now the Chief Exec of MFAT is saying he knew nothing.

    Seems like a load of bull.

    In fact there’s one more party who has yet to deny knowing nutzing – Anne Tolley.

    Given the arrest and charging of a foreign diplomatic staff member would be a significant event and incident – along with then placing a “warrant to arrest” and asking for extradition, the Police surely would have briefed Tolley under the “no surprises” policy also.

    This requires the OAG to investigate what has happened, who, what, when and how. It’s far too easy for Key et al. to blame it on officials who cannot comment publicly.

    • Tom Jackson 31.1

      It’s such a sensitive issue you would think that the government would be keeping constant tabs on the situation.

      • dv 31.1.1

        Nope too busy chasing Cuniliffe over a an 11 year old form letter.
        I

        I am sure I read on either stuff or the herald they were briefed about month ago.

    • bad12 31.2

      National Ministers have constantly adopted the ”Sergeant Shultz” position at every opportunity during Slippery’s reign as Prime Minister,

      The politics of such an ”attitude” are to delay the full ramifications of the various Ministers actions forced into the light of day only by Opposition Official Information Requests which take time and rely upon the formation of the question(s) asked as to what they reveal,

      The ”thinking” behind this political ploy is that lead by the media ”the public” will soon tire of the issue,

      The demand from the Government should be for the return of this alleged offender to face the charges in our court or the whole High Commission should be told to pack up and go home,

      The situation as it stands is demeaning of the alleged victims right to see justice done, and, just as demeaning to the Malay people to have its Government essentially provide a soft option for its official accused of these crimes…

      • Tom Jackson 31.2.1

        National ignores politically inconvenient rapes.

        NZ rape victims better hope that their rape is important enough for the government to care about.

  32. Tracey 32

    it’s not like mccully isnt a serial mfat bungler…

    http://thestandard.org.nz/tag/murray-mccully/

  33. Weepu's beard 33

    They (John Allen, Murray McCully, and John Key) have managed to single out the unnamed “mid-level” staff member whose fault the entire thing is and chucked him/her under the bus.

    This must be the transparency and personal responsibility the National party and their groupies keep talking about.

    Sad times for the public service. Who would want to do it?

  34. dimebag russell 34

    it is obvious now that John Keys and Murry Mcully are a pair of grovelling snivellers afraid of their own shadows.

  35. I wonder how John Armstrong will go about defending this and #TEAMlacKEY?

    What’s the bet criticism of Labours education policy gets more mention than anything else in his vomit column.

    • Tom Jackson 35.1

      He’ll find a picture of a Labour member at a Malaysian diplomatic function and claim that Cunliffe knew the rapist and did nothing to stop him.

  36. dimebag russell 36

    armstrong has senile dementia.
    someone else writes his column fro him!

  37. fisiani 37

    Malaysia is sending him back to NZ to stand trial. Congratulations John Key

    • Clemgeopin 37.1

      While that is good, don’t be in a hurry to pass your kudos to Key. Control your cult worship.
      Many questions regarding McCully and MFAT need to be yet answered. Why would the Malaysian authority be so foolish as to ask the diplomat to be sent away to Malaysia and now sent back? I think there is still more to this disgraceful episode than yet revealed.

    • gobsmacked 37.2

      Why “congratulations” to Key? Are you saying the Foreign Minister has misled Parliament and the public again?

      This is Murray McCully, speaking in the House today:

      “Matters relating to prosecutions are for the police. The issues around the waiver of diplomatic immunity are for protocol officials to transact. I think the day when we see Ministers getting involved in the prosecution process or the immunity waiver process will put us on a very slippery slope. … The matter of extradition is not one for the Foreign Minister or any other Minister.”

      (source: Hansard)

      So, were Ministers involved or not? Who is telling fibs, Fisiani or McCully?

      Get your story right, or the hole just gets deeper.

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    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • About Curwen Ares Rolinson
    Curwen Ares Rolinson – Curwen Ares Rolinson is a firebrand young nationalist presently engaged in acts of political resistance deep behind enemy lines amidst the leafy boughs of Epsom. He is affiliated with the New Zealand First Party; although his...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kelly Ellis
    Kelly Ellis.Kelly Ellis – As a child, Kelly Ellis didn’t so much fall into the cracks, but willfully wriggled her way into them. Ejected from Onslow College – a big job in the 70s – Kelly worked in car factories,...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • About Kate Davis
    Kate Davis.Kate Davis – Having completed her BA in English and Politics, Kate is now starting her MA. Kate works as a volunteer advocate at Auckland Action Against Poverty and previously worked for the New Zealand Prostitutes Collective. Kate writes...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Parker does a Shearer – oh for a Labour Leader who can challenge msm fals...
    Sigh. It seems David Parker has done a Shearer… Like a cult and too red – Parker on LabourLabour leadership contender David Parker says Labour borders on feeling like “a cult” and must look at its branding – including its...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • A brief word on the hundreds of millions NZ is spending on the secret intel...
    The enormity of the mass surveillance state NZ Government’s have built carries a huge price tag… Kiwis pay $103m ‘membership fee’ for spyingThe $103 million taxpayer funding of New Zealand’s intelligence agencies is effectively a membership fee for joining the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Where. Is. Jason. Ede?
    Where. Is. Jason. Ede?...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Labour’s Din of Inequity
    Watching Labour’s leadership candidates on Q+A on Sunday, I noticed the ongoing use of terms like “opportunity” and “aspiration”, and “party of the workers”. What do these mean? We glean much from Labour, and from the media about Labour, but not...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • “Blue-Greenwash” fails the test when it comes to endangered dolphins
    National’s pre-election promises saw some wins for the environment – perhaps as the party sought to appease its “Blue-Green” voters and broaden its popular appeal. Some of the ecological gains were a long time in the making, overdue even– such...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • Reasons not to be cheerful, Part #272b
    Why don’t you get back into bed? The next few years — the rest of this century — are not going to be pretty. There is an obvious disconnect between any remaining political ambition to fix climate change and the...
    The Daily Blog | 21-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • DIA undercover investigation leads to jailing
    An undercover Internal Affairs investigation has led to a Hastings man being jailed for three and half years....
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of Balibo Five
    Media Information: Call on Minister McCully to pursue the case of journalist Gary Cunningham and the Balibo Five...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Australia and NZ actions on press freedoms alarming
    Global support for investigative journalism in Australia and New Zealand is a welcome response to law changes and a police raid, says the Pacific Freedom Forum...
    Scoop politics | 22-10
  • Call for release of French journalists in West Papua
    West Papua Action Auckland, the EPMU Print and Media Council and the NZ Media Freedom Network call on the Minister of Foreign Affairs to speak out in support of the two French TV journalists whose trial has just begun in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Court of Appeal: Dotcom v 20th Century Fox Film Corporation
    A The appeal is dismissed. B The 20 August 2014 order of the High Court dealing with confidentiality and the 29 August 2014 order of this Court dealing with confidentiality are set aside. C The confidentiality orders set out in...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Glassons Blasted For Glamourising Animal Cruelty
    Clothing brand Glassons have found themselves embroiled in another controversy after launching a new advert featuring a girl riding a bull. Animal advocacy organisation SAFE have asked them to remove the ad immediately as it glamourises animal cruelty....
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet
    Smuggling honey into New Zealand isn’t sweet Federated Farmers Bee Industry Group applauds the tough line taken by Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) Border Staff at Auckland Airport. In deporting the couple found trying to smuggle bee products...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Taxpayers’ Union Responds to Joyce on Corporate Welfare
    Responding to Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce’s defence of corporate welfare , Jim Rose, the author of Monopoly Money , a Taxpayers Union report on corporate welfare since 2008, says:...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • RainbowYOUTH: 25 Years, 25 More
    In 1989, a group of young people in Auckland got together to form a support group for LGBTIQ youth. They called it Auckland Lesbian And Gay Youth (ALGY). After 25 years, several location changes, a name change, a brand reboot...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
    MPs are sworn in today and New Zealand Republic has written to MPs asking them to talk about why 121 New Zealanders elected by the people of New Zealand and standing in the New Zealand Parliament swear allegiance to another...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
    Auckland Council should state clearly they will not try and capture revenue as a result of the latest valuations and needs reminding that the City’s skyrocketing property values doesn’t change the level or cost of Council’s services, says...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leadership
    The National Executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union unanimously endorsed Andrew Little for the role of Labour leader, at a meeting held yesterday. “I have been speaking to our workplace delegates at forums across the country over...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • World Food Day promotes Agroecology not GE technology
    The UN has stated that agroecology is a major solution to feeding the world and caring for the earth....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Labour Names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review. He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Contenders for Labour leadership debate for first time
    The contenders for the leadership of the Labour Party debated for the first time on TV One’s Q+A programme today....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • UN Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme
    New Zealand's United Nations Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully
    Murray McCully says New Zealanders can expect a 5-10 year engagement against Islamic State if we join military action in Iraq and the government will take that “very carefully into account”...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Julia Gillard
    Julia Gillard says there is “sufficient evidence” to fight Islamic State and does not think it will increase the risk of a domestic attack...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • NZ businesses to make child abuse a priority conversation
    Many leading New Zealand businesses have partnered with national child advocacy organisation Child Matters to participate in the fourth annual ‘Buddy Day’ - New Zealand’s only child abuse prevention awareness day....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Tribunal decision significant for SMEs
    The Human Rights Review Tribunal decided this week in favour of an employee’s right not to work on Saturdays for religious reasons. The decision may still be appealed but the Director of the Office of Human Rights Proceedings, Robert Kee,...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… New Zealand has been elected to the United Nations Security Council, but what happens next? Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully from New York about our goals for reform, what America wants from us...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • 1000+ supported by Te Arawa Whanau Ora
    Over 1000 individual whānau members are leading happier, healthier, more successful lives as a result of eight passionate and committed Māori organisations working at the coalface to help whānau find success....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Nomination for Board Members Now Open
    CRF’s objective is to create opportunities for people from refugee backgrounds to lead fulfilling lives and contribute to every area of New Zealand society. It is an organisation that undertakes advocacy work using the strengths-based approach,...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Anglican Family Care Otago staff to take industrial action
    Social workers, family workers and support staff working for Anglican Family Care in Dunedin and South Otago will take industrial action after their employer refused a pay increase that would keep up with the rising cost of living....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Use UN Security Council role to overcome inaction and injust
    Amnesty International welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the UN Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use the role to ensure the body lives up to its role of safeguarding global peace and security....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Grisham’s ‘child porn’ comments ignorant
    World-renowned author John Grisham has come under fire by advocacy group Stop Demand Foundation, for comments it says trivialises the global child sex abuse trade....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Latest leak of TPPA intellectual property text confirms risk
    On the eve of the latest (non)round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) yet another version of the intellectual property has found its way to Wikileaks ....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • New Zealand awarded UN Security Council seat
    International aid agency Oxfam New Zealand welcomes New Zealand’s election to the United Nations Security Council, saying it gives an extraordinary opportunity to make a lasting contribution to international peace and security and improve the lives...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • 40 more jobs lost to cheap imports
    40 more jobs lost to cheap imports Another New Zealand manufacturer is closing its doors, giving the lie to the idea that we have a “rock star” economy or any strategy for jobs growth. Wellpack is a paper bag manufacturer...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Pink Batts manufacturer to cut Christchurch jobs
    Pink Batts manufacturer to cut Christchurch jobs 29 roles are to be cut at the Christchurch manufacturing facility of Tasman Insulation, the company which manufacturers the iconic Pink Batts brand of products. The company is proposing to consolidate its...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
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