I think you just lost any remaining credibility you (might have) had.

Turns out that it’s impossible for Morales to be Quechuan ’cause it’s a language, not an ethnic or tribal identity. Might as well call someone a Latin.

Same conclusion as last comment but with a genuine if ironic thank you for your opening of a door to a wee bit of knowledge…

Amayara is virtually the same as Quachuan, probably the older group. Its like comparing Polynesians with Maori. So Con was technally correct but I was trying to keep it fairly simple in what was a hurried post by myself.

You are correct about the vote % and I apoligise for that. I was thinking of the previous election when I was there which Goni won.

Nowhere did I come out in defense of Goni, he was just as bad. What I said was Morales IMO isn’t the answer.

One day when you decide to hop on a plane and actually go and see how most of the world lives come back here and offer me a discussion. You strike me as a rather stupid and naive child who has a hell of a lot to learn.

Good luck in life idiot, I think you are going to need it

You probably never will appreciate the irony in that assertion of yours. Oh well.

Anyway. As for your bigotry, I’ve said all I need to say.

Violence… see my comment from before and it’s link to info on former president Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, a.k.a. “Goni,” (12:10pm on the 21st).

%age of vote…. you say he came to power with about 34% of the vote. When I searched the figures I got 53+% of the vote in ’05 with a 84.5% participation for his initial election and then 67.4% when he opened himself to a vote of confidence following the illegal referenda in the resource rich states with led to demands for autonomy in ’08.

And he is, as Con pointed out above, Aymara, not Quechuan.

So, in conclusion you are an ill informed tosser; a bigot and an intellectual numbskull who has nothing to offer beyond ill conceived, discredited and mostly received ideological claptrap in oppositin to real world problems.

As I said, the lot of the Quechuan is getting worse, not better. Morales has chased away the foreign money and without it there isn”t the capital or the educated workforce to exploit Bolivias potential wealth. And if the minerals are still in the ground then nothing is going to improve for them…….ever.

IMO it would be much better for Bolivia to get the foreign companies back in certain areas, use the money from them to actually educate the locals and then take over the rest of the operations.

I wasn’t speaking theoretically in response to Pat, or on the merits of his remarks about Morales. I was responding to Zorr’s comment:

Honestly, if this is the kind of stuff that he is achieving (and continues to achieve) then I wouldn’t really mind if he stayed in power until they scraped his rotting corpse out of the chair.

As you say, not conducive to democracy. Zorr seems to agree. Nothing more need have been said, I figure.

Peace : )

L

But where is it that Morales has indicated that a term should be for a lifetime rather than for x number of years with the possibility of re-election?

As far as I can see, he has voiced frustration ( along with other Latin American leaders) at the limitation on the number of possible terms rather than the term limit.

Two vastly different matters.

If you were merely speaking theoretically you really should have made that clear given that Pat threw the El Presidenti for Life thing in with definite regard to Morales

The nature of executive authority wielded by presidents is that, absent clear and unalterable restrictions on their term of office, they can often influence the political process to ensure their repeated re-election — especially in countries without a robust democratic tradition and with civil and political society strongly centralised around the executive. Morales has indicated his frustration at the term limit, and while that doesn’t make him an autocrat in itself, it should set alarm bells ringing, and to say “he’s enacting good policy, we should just let him keep doing so” is shortsighted and damfoolish. Democracy is about more than a good policy agenda; without robust democratic strictures on executive action, good policy turns bad.

L

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-builds-up-its-bases-in-oilrich-south-america-1825398.html

For anyone interested in Bolivia, South American politics generally, or indeed just politics, I’d recommend getting a copy from Amazon.com or someplace. It’s a film I could watch over and over, seeing something new every time.

The suggestion was that he should be allowed to stand in presidential elections and not be debarred from standing because he had already served as President.

What’s the big deal? If people tire of him they won’t vote for him.

What is this b/s about DPRK style elections?

Pat throws in some bald and unsubstantiated statement about Morales having the hallmarks for becoming another president for life and you take that as a sign that Bolivia lacks or will lack reasonable democratic processes?

Get a grip. Please.

No shit! Would never have picked that from the dismissive rhetoric you wrap the peasantry in.

All that wealth. No question of it being garnered to improve the lot of the dumb, led herd; that uneducated ‘bunch of peasants’ who are only good for doing what they are told.

You for fucking real Rob A?

BTW isn’t Morales actually an Aymara?