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		<title>By: Zankee News </title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-213691</link>
		<dc:creator>Zankee News </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;We can do better at The Standard http://bit.ly/090IdXn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">We can do better at The Standard <a href="http://bit.ly/090IdXn" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/090IdXn</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Zaphod Beeblebrox</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-174021</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaphod Beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only that but you get levied 12.5% GST on them. The NZ govt makes a huge windfall by taxing a tax.  If we had a annual 1 or 2% Land Tax it would be simple to collect tax those who could afford it and would suppress property prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only that but you get levied 12.5% GST on them. The NZ govt makes a huge windfall by taxing a tax.  If we had a annual 1 or 2% Land Tax it would be simple to collect tax those who could afford it and would suppress property prices.</p>
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		<title>By: John Forex</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-213692</link>
		<dc:creator>John Forex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;We can do better at The Standard http://bit.ly/5y4qd1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">We can do better at The Standard <a href="http://bit.ly/5y4qd1" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/5y4qd1</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Efrosyni</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-213690</link>
		<dc:creator>Efrosyni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;We can do better at The Standard http://bit.ly/6IJd4G&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">We can do better at The Standard <a href="http://bit.ly/6IJd4G" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/6IJd4G</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173935</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLiP,

What was wrong with the Gold Standard was the deep depressions that resulted from it in the 1870&#039;s and 1890&#039;s. In the latter&#039;s case, Australia&#039;s GDP dropped by 30%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLiP,</p>
<p>What was wrong with the Gold Standard was the deep depressions that resulted from it in the 1870&#8242;s and 1890&#8242;s. In the latter&#8217;s case, Australia&#8217;s GDP dropped by 30%</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173934</link>
		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Marty, and interesting thread.

This is a debate that must be joined. Going back to the 1990&#039;s no one imagined the global financial system would evolve in the way it has, with system-wide currency speculation - either by deposit-taking institutions and investment banks / hedge funds in the West, or by Central Banks in the East. This has left NZ, with 100% of GDP in external liabilities and a free floating currency with virtually no foreign exchange reserves to back it, exceedingly vulnerable. The reason neoliberals do not defend it, is at some level they know it is broke. But no one has a clear idea what to do about it.

Wholesale change is probably beyond us, as you imply Marty. But there is scope for a Baldrick approach, a series of cunning plans. Note how Goff&#039;s speech had an immediate impact on the NZD.

A number of possible ideas have been mentioned here, but we need a package of measures that address both external and internal speculation. 

On external measures one alternative would be for the Treasury to conduct FX intervention. This is what should have happened when Cullen proposed FX intervention, but the RBNZ under Bollard and Orr fought a brillant rear-guard action, where they kept the powers for themselves, which they have used only sparingly, and with the NZ$ back in the 70&#039;s have now shot their wad.

One idea I like, which has not been proposed, is for the Minister of Finance to be able to allocate the Super Fund between a NZD hedged fund and a USD unhedged fund. This would effectively allow the super fund to sell NZ$ above 70 cents say, and buy it back lower down. The current fully hedged strategy does not make sense. 

We should also be pressuring the Asian central banks to limit their exposure to the NZ$. It is unfair that countries like China and Singapore resist pressure for their currencies to appreciate by buying US$, and then recycle it into an appreciating NZ$.

And then there are the internal measures  CGT and mortgage levy would add to the armoury, but other measures could include adjusting the loan to value ratio as Singapore and Hong Kong have done. 

As Goff has said, it is time for a new approach. Doing nothing, as Key prefers, is not a good option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Marty, and interesting thread.</p>
<p>This is a debate that must be joined. Going back to the 1990&#8242;s no one imagined the global financial system would evolve in the way it has, with system-wide currency speculation &#8211; either by deposit-taking institutions and investment banks / hedge funds in the West, or by Central Banks in the East. This has left NZ, with 100% of GDP in external liabilities and a free floating currency with virtually no foreign exchange reserves to back it, exceedingly vulnerable. The reason neoliberals do not defend it, is at some level they know it is broke. But no one has a clear idea what to do about it.</p>
<p>Wholesale change is probably beyond us, as you imply Marty. But there is scope for a Baldrick approach, a series of cunning plans. Note how Goff&#8217;s speech had an immediate impact on the NZD.</p>
<p>A number of possible ideas have been mentioned here, but we need a package of measures that address both external and internal speculation. </p>
<p>On external measures one alternative would be for the Treasury to conduct FX intervention. This is what should have happened when Cullen proposed FX intervention, but the RBNZ under Bollard and Orr fought a brillant rear-guard action, where they kept the powers for themselves, which they have used only sparingly, and with the NZ$ back in the 70&#8242;s have now shot their wad.</p>
<p>One idea I like, which has not been proposed, is for the Minister of Finance to be able to allocate the Super Fund between a NZD hedged fund and a USD unhedged fund. This would effectively allow the super fund to sell NZ$ above 70 cents say, and buy it back lower down. The current fully hedged strategy does not make sense. </p>
<p>We should also be pressuring the Asian central banks to limit their exposure to the NZ$. It is unfair that countries like China and Singapore resist pressure for their currencies to appreciate by buying US$, and then recycle it into an appreciating NZ$.</p>
<p>And then there are the internal measures  CGT and mortgage levy would add to the armoury, but other measures could include adjusting the loan to value ratio as Singapore and Hong Kong have done. </p>
<p>As Goff has said, it is time for a new approach. Doing nothing, as Key prefers, is not a good option.</p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173932</link>
		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remind me - what was wrong with the gold standard and, really, has anything improved since money started growing on trees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remind me &#8211; what was wrong with the gold standard and, really, has anything improved since money started growing on trees?</p>
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		<title>By: Quoth the Raven</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173931</link>
		<dc:creator>Quoth the Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Persoanlly IB I think I would treat each person as an individual. Different people have different time preferences, priorities in thier own lives, etc and it&#039;s for them to make up their mind what to do with the money they earned through their own labour. 

And yes you are an enemy of freedom. 

Someone below mentioned full-reserve banking - maybe just maybe you could have an open mind and look at some ideas from differing ideas to your own - don&#039;t act like the there&#039;s only monetarism and whatever it is you&#039;re proposing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Persoanlly IB I think I would treat each person as an individual. Different people have different time preferences, priorities in thier own lives, etc and it&#8217;s for them to make up their mind what to do with the money they earned through their own labour. </p>
<p>And yes you are an enemy of freedom. </p>
<p>Someone below mentioned full-reserve banking &#8211; maybe just maybe you could have an open mind and look at some ideas from differing ideas to your own &#8211; don&#8217;t act like the there&#8217;s only monetarism and whatever it is you&#8217;re proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173929</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zaphod local authority rates are a land tax of a kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod local authority rates are a land tax of a kind.</p>
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		<title>By: mikesh</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173928</link>
		<dc:creator>mikesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always believed Milton Friedman advocated a 100% reserve ratio, effectively preventing banks from creating money altogether.

As far as our situation is concerned I think I would like to interest rates determined by market forces with the money supply controlled. The current setup where banks create money ad infinitum, backed up by overseas currencies seems to me a recipe for inflation and instability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always believed Milton Friedman advocated a 100% reserve ratio, effectively preventing banks from creating money altogether.</p>
<p>As far as our situation is concerned I think I would like to interest rates determined by market forces with the money supply controlled. The current setup where banks create money ad infinitum, backed up by overseas currencies seems to me a recipe for inflation and instability.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Hunt</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-213693</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Just for you - We can do better at The Standard http://bit.ly/4JoVEf&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Just for you &#8211; We can do better at The Standard <a href="http://bit.ly/4JoVEf" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4JoVEf</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Daveski</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173913</link>
		<dc:creator>Daveski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{ Putting hand up }

I missed that. So withdraw my comment and apologise accordingly!

Mind you it does show the difficulty inherent in trying to mitigate the changes to the current system warts and all.

I promise to read Marty&#039;s posts most closely in the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{ Putting hand up }</p>
<p>I missed that. So withdraw my comment and apologise accordingly!</p>
<p>Mind you it does show the difficulty inherent in trying to mitigate the changes to the current system warts and all.</p>
<p>I promise to read Marty&#8217;s posts most closely in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173912</link>
		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This has given our economy stability and a degree of certainty, which I hope you will all agree is desirable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not against the suffering that it&#039;s brought with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This has given our economy stability and a degree of certainty, which I hope you will all agree is desirable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not against the suffering that it&#8217;s brought with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Draco T Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Draco T Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s far less than perfect - it doesn&#039;t relate to reality at all as it assumes it away. If it was as good as Friedman and the others said it was we wouldn&#039;t have gone through a housing bubble in the first place, have that collapse into a recession and having it replaced by another housing bubble (which is what&#039;s happening ATM BTW). In a few more months I&#039;m expecting another collapse because the underlying BS that is monetarism hasn&#039;t been addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s far less than perfect &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t relate to reality at all as it assumes it away. If it was as good as Friedman and the others said it was we wouldn&#8217;t have gone through a housing bubble in the first place, have that collapse into a recession and having it replaced by another housing bubble (which is what&#8217;s happening ATM BTW). In a few more months I&#8217;m expecting another collapse because the underlying BS that is monetarism hasn&#8217;t been addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: IrishBill</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/we-can-do-better/comment-page-1/#comment-173908</link>
		<dc:creator>IrishBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! &quot;Forced&quot; savings! I must be the enemy of freedom!

Until we get the anarcho-syndicalist revolution I&#039;ll cope with any measure that makes capitalism more tolerable including the use of universal superannuation to provide economic stability. The alternative is the monetarism that currently aids and abets the transfer of wealth from the many to the elite few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! &#8220;Forced&#8221; savings! I must be the enemy of freedom!</p>
<p>Until we get the anarcho-syndicalist revolution I&#8217;ll cope with any measure that makes capitalism more tolerable including the use of universal superannuation to provide economic stability. The alternative is the monetarism that currently aids and abets the transfer of wealth from the many to the elite few.</p>
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