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We have a lemming instead of a leader

Written By: - Date published: 9:04 am, November 13th, 2012 - 79 comments
Categories: climate change, disaster, ETS, john key, national - Tags:

It’s actually a myth that lemmings commit “mass suicide” by hurling themselves off cliffs. Which is a pity really, because as metaphors go the lemming suicide is a pretty damn useful one. It’s what we humans are currently engaged in, just for example. A quick scan of recent headlines:

Climate change ‘likely to be more severe than some models predict’

Scientists analysing climate models warn we should expect high temperature rises – meaning more extreme weather, sooner

Climate change is likely to be more severe than some models have implied, according to a new study which ratchets up the possible temperature rises and subsequent climatic impacts.

The analysis by the US National Centre for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) found that climate model projections showing a greater rise in global temperature were likely to be more accurate than those showing a smaller rise. This means not only a higher level of warming, but also that the resulting problems – including floods, droughts, sea level rise and fiercer storms and other extreme weather – would be correspondingly more severe and would come sooner than expected. …

There has already been increasing evidence of a warming effect this year – the Arctic’s summer ice sank to its lowest extent and volume yet recorded, and satellite pictures showed that surface ice melting was more widespread across Greenland than ever seen in years of observations. Experts have predicted that the Arctic seas could be ice-free in winter in the next decade.

The International Energy Agency warned earlier this year that on current emissions trends the world would be in for 6C of warming – a level scientists warn would lead to chaos. Scientists have put the safety limit at 2C, beyond which warming is likely to become irreversible.

(Keep in mind what a 6C rise means for the planet.)

Governments failing to avert catastrophic climate change, IEA warns

Governments are falling badly behind on low-carbon energy, putting carbon reduction targets out of reach and pushing the world to the brink of catastrophic climate change, the world’s leading independent energy authority will warn on Wednesday.

The stark judgment is being given at a key meeting of energy ministers from the world’s biggest economies and emitters taking place in London on Wednesday…

On current form, she warns, the world is on track for warming of 6C by the end of the century – a level that would create catastrophe, wiping out agriculture in many areas and rendering swathes of the globe uninhabitable, as well as raising sea levels and causing mass migration, according to scientists.

Experts warn of superstorm era to come

Superstorm Sandy was no freak, say experts, but rather a hint of a coming era when millions of Americans will struggle to survive killer weather.

They’re telling us we shouldn’t be surprised that this 900-mile-wide monster marched up the East Coast this week paralyzing cities and claiming scores of lives. “It’s a foretaste of things to come,” Princeton University professor Michael Oppenheimer told CNN. “Bigger storms and higher sea levels” will pile on to create a “growing threat” in the coming decades.

It’s Global Warming, Stupid

Yes, yes, it’s unsophisticated to blame any given storm on climate change. Men and women in white lab coats tell us—and they’re right—that many factors contribute to each severe weather episode. Climate deniers exploit scientific complexity to avoid any discussion at all.

Clarity, however, is not beyond reach. Hurricane Sandy demands it: At least 40 U.S. deaths. Economic losses expected to climb as high as $50 billion. Eight million homes without power. Hundreds of thousands of people evacuated. More than 15,000 flights grounded. Factories, stores, and hospitals shut. Lower Manhattan dark, silent, and underwater.

… In an Oct. 30 blog post, Mark Fischetti of Scientific American took a spin through Ph.D.-land and found more and more credentialed experts willing to shrug off the climate caveats. The broadening consensus: “Climate change amps up other basic factors that contribute to big storms. For example, the oceans have warmed, providing more energy for storms. And the Earth’s atmosphere has warmed, so it retains more moisture, which is drawn into storms and is then dumped on us.” Even those of us who are science-phobic can get the gist of that.

And so on and so on, a crescendo of warnings. And on to this troubled world stage, like a colossus of Lilliput, strides John Phillip Key:

Key defends ‘no’ to Kyoto Protocol

The Government is defending its decision not to commit to the second stage of the Kyoto Protocol on climate change, acknowledging the previous Government “may have had a stronger emphasis” on the issue. …

The Government has since been criticised by Labour, the Greens and WWF, who say the decision leaves New Zealand’s “clean and green” image in tatters, with Australia and European countries reaffirming their Kyoto commitment. Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment Jan Wright is not happy either. “I don’t think the clean green brand, you can’t just abuse it and expect it to look after itself.” …

[Key:] “New Zealand needs to play its part, it is playing its part – it’s already got an Emissions Trading Scheme, we’ve made quite a number of other changes … but I think we never want to be a world leader in climate change. “We’ve always wanted to be what is affectionately called a `fast follower’.”

No no, with so much of our income dependent on agriculture and “clean green” tourism I can certainly see why we would never want to be a leader in protecting the environment. Much better to ignore the science, ignore the numbers, believe whatever we want to believe (like Republican commentators on November 6th and with the same result). Much better to ignore the massive opportunities for early movers in the Green economy. Much better to be a lemming (sorry – a “fast follower”) and follow all the other lemmings off the cliff.

“Damnit”, we might wail on the way down. “Turns out we really needed a leader after all. Someone who was ambitious for New Zealand. Someone who aspired to be something more than a follower. But we didn’t have a leader. We had John Key.”

79 comments on “We have a lemming instead of a leader”

  1. tinfoilhat 1

    The climate criminal key and his farming kronies must be brought to justice.

  2. AmaKiwi 2

    Grant Robertson warned we should not be too extreme in our regulations to reduce green house gases. I am NOT impressed.

  3. I think calling John Key a lemming, is an insult to lemmings; at least they can build ladders to somewhere and a functioning society, with zero carbon emissions. :D

  4. Richard Christie 4

    Lol, I read the headline and assumed it was going to be a post about the Labour party.
    As you were.

  5. Richard Christie 5

    Brewers yeast is better metaphor than lemmings.
    Yeast just keep multiplying until their shit (C2H5OH) kills them.

  6. BM 6

    Big vote winner for Key, especially once he scraps the ETS Tax.
    Key has drawn a line in the sand.

    Vote National no Kyoto, no ETS tax.
    Vote Labour and Greens huge amounts of ETS tax.

    Who do you think the public are going to vote for.

    • Jackal 6.1

      The environment hands down. Your comment might be relevant in the US around 2010 BM, where 42% of the citizens didn’t believe in global warming, but it effectively means nothing here and now.

    • Colonial Viper 6.2

      The party most willing to turn our planet into a freezer/oven for profit

    • One Tāne Huna 6.3

      “the public” will vote for the party that offers them genuine wage increases. Choke on it.

    • Dr Terry 6.4

      BM. I think the public will vote in line with current scientific evidence, ethically (rather than selfishly), for the sake of their descendants (God help them all). I think that will do for starters.

      • Draco T Bastard 6.4.1

        I think the public will vote in line with current scientific evidence, ethically (rather than selfishly), for the sake of their descendants (God help them all).

        Unless they’re National supporters in which case they will vote for the continued exploitation and destruction of the Earth.

    • fustercluck 6.5

      Notwithstanding my belief that environmental degradation is problem numero uno for us to tackle on a society-wide basis, the commodification of CO2 is unlikely to lift us out of the crapola.

      Given that the Greens and Labor are hell-bent on integrating us into a poorly conceived internationalized tax framework and the torys are avoiding this vote killer, what am I to do? Switch my vote from Mana to ACT?

  7. prism 7

    Rod Oram is scathing this morning on radionz about this NZ government’s contradictory climate change movement – backward and against our previous policy declarations. And about this government’s providing such huge subsidies to business that they have no price signals to encourage a reduction in climate change baddies. I think he said the price, possibly the net price, is 10c a tonne (by unreliable memory).

    Also he is saddened that we are refusing to look to new business opportunities from adopting and developing for the new technology.

    I think there is no other developed country that is so dependent on agriculture. And I don’t think we have a policy of innoculating against foot and mouth, which would wipe us out our main trade and affect the lot of us. Our whole approach is to go with dairy. Although sheep farmers are asking for help – and not getting it, (and meat workers are expressing alarm at the loss of jobs etc in their industry). So we are moving backwards to the early 1900s rather than pushing our growth in the 21st century developments. And Rod Oram asked just how profitable farming is really in earnings for the farmer? Many farmers only get some moolah in their hands as capital when they sell up (probably to a foreigner is my comment).

    And this in a country that has clever and bright adopters – for instance we got electric lighting early, developed a small plane early, were into radio broadcast early. This is the sort of innovation and cleverness we should be pushing while at the same time we encourage farmers to extend their practices to what is appropriate for the 21st century, and help with expos giving the PR needed. We can use innovation in our practices – methane for farm energy, the end of the bare paddock with planting around streams and trees along fencelines, high nutrition grasses, practical TB tests for herds etc.

    • bbfloyd 7.1

      “So we are moving backwards to the early 1900s”…. You are being too polite…. It’s the 1800′s that we are heading back to…

      The “golden” days, before those evil unions started to ruin it for “nice” people….

    • TEA 7.2

      Ahhh yes ! My (by unreliable memory).
      Rod Who ?

  8. gobsmacked 8

    @Anthony

    On TV3 news (midday bulletin) this post was shown, with the headline both visible on screen and mentioned in the audio.

    But … the dimwit reporter was citing it as an example of a post critical of Shearer!

    If the report is online at TV3, check it out. Total misrepresentation.

    (and for anybody who can’t distinguish chalk from cheese – yes, I do agree with the posts critical of Shearer, but that’s irrelevant. Facts are facts).

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      OMG TV3 SUCKS SHIT

      (apologies for the caps…)

    • Bill 8.2

      Maybe the reporter is getting his lemmings and lemons all mixed up? ;-)

      (Which is no excuse for not reading beyond the banner – even if only in a cursory manner – which would be enough to offer a modicum of understanding on what the post is about and who it refers to.)

    • r0b 8.3

      Huh. Well it’s hardly the first time that 3 News has stuffed up. At least anyone who comes here on seeing the clip will find out the truth!

      Let me know if you spot the clip online though, I’ll link to it if I can…

  9. Tanz 9

    Thought this post was going to be another one about Shearer.
    I disagree with on Climate Change, it is not proven and the Science is shonky that tries to prove it.
    Am with the right on this one.

    • Colonial Viper 9.1

      There is no doubt that “Greenhouse Gases” play an important role in keeping the Earth warm. The question some people still have is whether or not human influences on those Greenhouse Gases has any significant real effect. Would that describe your position?

    • One Tāne Huna 9.2

      This selective illiteracy is getting tiresome.

      Please read “Unsettled Science” by Gavin Schmidt, or perhaps Einstein’s famous (obviously not famous enough) observation that “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”

      So of course any “science” that attempted to “prove” “Climate Change” would be “shonky” by definition.

      One question: have you actually ever read a Climatology paper? It doesn’t sound like it.

      PS: Or, to put it another way, can you cite one example of an attempt to “prove” Climate Change in a peer reviewed paper? An actual quotation, mind, not some witless ninny’s misinterpretation.

    • Dr Terry 9.3

      Tanz. So what on this earth do you think is finally “proven”? If you wait around to act only on that which is “proven” you give yourself a fine excuse never to act honorably.

  10. Tanz 10

    I have read Ian Wishart’s very convincing Air Con book, (not that I am always convinced by Wishart), and yes, I have followed much of the science. Just because I don’t believe in Climate Change doesn’t mean I should be called a denier, either. I agree with Labour on many issues, but not on global warming/climate change. Am I not allowed my own opinion?

    • One Tāne Huna 10.1

      Any chance you can just cite one example of an attempt to “prove” climate change in a scientific publication? Just one, so that we know you aren’t making up a complete fantasy?

      When you’ve failed, would you mind answering a question?

      Are you mendacious or deceived?

    • Zorr 10.2

      Science doesn’t allow opinions. It allows hypothesis that are testable by repeat experimentation to determine their accuracy.

      Opinion has *nothing* to do with climate change except in the policy debate. As with OTH, another challenge. Come up with a single scientific publication that refutes any part of the current understanding of climate science.

      *pulls up deckchair on Titanic to wait because in a future without large icebergs, this will be the best place to enjoy the new weather*

      • Colonial Viper 10.2.1

        Science doesn’t allow opinions. It allows hypothesis that are testable by repeat experimentation to determine their accuracy.

        That may be true in the lab, but that’s not what happens in society, in the slightest.

    • Dr Terry 10.3

      Tanz. Of course you are allowed your opinion (however misguided it may be), but you should not be allowed copping out from your responsibilities.

      • Tanz 10.3.1

        But I don’t believe in climate change, therefore I have no responsibilities re this. Or will I be forced? This is why I agree with the Nats on so-called climate change. Also, who’s going to get China to do anything, if it were real? The earth’s climate has been changing since God created this amazing planet. Actually, this spring is quite cold so far.

        • fatty 10.3.1.1

          “Actually, this spring is quite cold so far.”

          True, I never thought of it that way. I’ve also noticed that today was colder than yesterday…I think you’re onto something here

        • Richard Christie 10.3.1.2

          Hi Tanz, how old is this “amazing planet”?

    • One Tāne Huna 10.4

      “I don’t believe in Climate Change” – what do you deny? The changing atmospheric carbon isotope ratio. perhaps? Or the Manua Loa CO2 observations? Is it the melting cryosphere that isn’t happening? Perhaps Quantum Mechanics is wrong!

      It would at least be nice to know which part of the jigsaw you are in denial of.

    • Doug 10.5

      Please be specific, where have you followed much of the science? Nature, Science, Journal of Climate, Geophysical Research Letters, Climate Change, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, or Climate Dynamics?

      Or have you followed the “science” in Energy and the Environment, WUWT, and Climate Audit?

      Let me guess…..

    • Draco T Bastard 10.6

      Am I not allowed my own opinion?

      The only opinions worth listening to as far as AGW goes is that put forward by climatologists in peer reviewed articles based upon the observed facts and tested theories. Your opinion goes against those articles and those facts.

    • One Tāne Huna 10.7

      “Am I not allowed my own opinion” – sure, so long as you refrain from spreading it. Otherwise I think you should be regarded as either a criminal – deliberately spreading lies that will do direct harm to others – or a dupe, worthy of derision and contempt.

      I hope that the people responsible for the lies you spread face prosecution, since they are set to do far more harm than tobacco barons the penalties should be commensurately worse.

      A bit like shouting fire in a crowded theatre, really.

      • Tanz 10.7.1

        This is exactly the narrow-minded sort of attitude that Wishart speaks of in Air Con. One is not allowed to disagree with the myth that is climate change is, and if one does, look out!! Scary.

        • handle 10.7.1.1

          They’re all against you. Circle those wagons.

        • Richard Christie 10.7.1.2

          Tanz, Do yourself a favour-
          Wishart targets his drivel at the gullible and the feeble minded.
          You don’t come across as a winner by citing Ian Wishart against NASA and every major scientific institution on the planet.

        • lprent 10.7.1.3

          Look I’m usually one of the most “nasty” when it comes to CCD’s. But I only attack misinterpretation of facts in my usual way. I reduce the amount of time I waste by rewarding the obvious bullshit with complete scorn, through to explaining the science when people clearly don’t understand. I can’t remember ever giving you more than my passing attention.

          I also have absolutely no time for Wishart because he has a very strong tendency to make crap up – including about my partner and her documentary. He bases most of his stuff on crap interpretations of crap documents (like a childs guide to climatology being one of the worst) because he can’t be bothered learning even the most basic of science. So he plays word games rather than using maths.

          As soon as someone raises him then it becomes pretty clear they have never bothered to look at the science and are gullible enough to swallow any old whaledreck.

          People like Wishart are why people tend to treat many skeptics as being morons. They don’t discuss the actual science. Usually what they do is play word games. After you have explained the same bit of basic science several times to get the same blank response, followed by a rephrasing of the same cobblers they gave you last time, you start treating most CCD’s as scientific morons.

          As far as I’m concerned if you can’t examine the science enough to understand more than wordgames, then you aren’t really worth exerting much arguing time on.

          • Tanz 10.7.1.3.1

            Yes, I know Wishart is loathed by the Left generally, but can I ask, have you actually read Air Con? If not, how can you yourself make a judgement on his book? This is a highly detailed and well researched piece of work.

            • One Tāne Huna 10.7.1.3.1.1

              …much more so than NASA, the guys who can only manage to put skycranes on other planets.

              So well researched is Wishart. So balanced. So peer-reviewed. So much more truthy.

            • Daveosaurus 10.7.1.3.1.2

              I simply don’t have enough spare time to waste on Wishart’s unedifying drivel; particularly when I can read reviews which sum the book up in a quick few paragraphs.

              In any case, when, as per the extract presented here, the book contains gems such as

              they want ordinary families and kids to become extinct, leaving space for the Green elite to run the planet and enjoy exclusive bird-watching excursions while feasting on the bones of six year olds who’d earlier been sold to Asian brothels.

              it is plain that there is nothing to be learned about climate from the book. One does not need a science degree to be able to spot blood libel when one sees it.

        • One Tāne Huna 10.7.1.4

          Tanz: “myth” – no, it isn’t. Since it isn’t, your argument collapses.

          You have advanced not a single fact-based argument. Which piece of the jigsaw do you dispute? The disappearing cryosphere? The recorded (by multiple threads of evidence) temperature anomaly? The changing atmospheric carbon isotope ratio? Manua Loa CO2 observations? Quantum Mechanics? Physics?

          Sorry if you find it “scary” that you be held responsible for your actions. No, I take that back, I’m not sorry at all.

          However, if you think wilful negligence leading to huge loss of life and damage to property is nothing to be concerned about, perhaps you should contact Munich Re and explain to them where they’re going wrong, and why you should be eligible for a discount. Good luck!

    • handle 10.8

      “I don’t believe in Climate Change”

      How do you feel about gravity?

    • Macro 10.9

      “I have read Ian Wishart’s very convincing Air Con book” lol
      More fool you. So you place the misconceptions and bullshit of a person who has no more scientific knowledge than school certificate above practically every major scientific associations of the world (including the Royal Society and NZRS and the American Scientific Assn for example). There is hardly a page of that “book” that is not filled with error, misrepresentation, or just plain demonstrably wrong. Amazing faith on your part! But stupidity of the highest order.
      http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/teaching-learning/resources/gamma/climate-change/
      http://royalsociety.org/uploadedFiles/Royal_Society_Content/policy/publications/2010/4294972962.pdf
      http://www.aaas.org/spp/cstc/briefs/climatechange/regpolicy.shtml

  11. infused 11

    The end is coming!!!11

  12. tracey 12

    I wonder if he taught his kids the same way… That is, if everyone is doing something wrong, dont do it right til they do. Is this the personal responsibility the right glibly speaks of?

  13. coge 14

    Something like 87% of nations are not signing up for Kyoto 2. Looks like a consensus to me.

    • Colonial Viper 14.1

      But why did we pull out of Kyoto?

      Something like 87% of nations are not signing up for Kyoto 2. Looks like a consensus to me.

      But a consensus of what? That Kyoto 2 was too compromised by business interests?

      • Doug 14.1.1

        Yes I agree it was a

        a A consensus of political inaction and lack of leadership
        b A consensus of stupidity
        c A consensus of selfishness
        d A all of the above.

        What it was NOT a consensus of was the understanding of the state of the global climate.

    • tracey 14.2

      self interest prevails over preservation for the future, whodathunkit.

  14. Bob 15

    We should never have signed up to the Kyoto protocol in the first place!
    In 2000 my University Oceanography lecturer Dr. Willem De Lange, who was listed as one of the 3,000 climate scientists that made the famed ‘consensus’ which started this whole thing, told us of how his work had been completely mis-interpreted and how he did not believe that humans were the main source of climate change. He has since been fighting to have his name removed (to no avail, and he is not the only one).

    For those of you who are willing to be open minded, here is a website he contributes too, worth reading (by climate scientists who want the science to be the reason for change, not money or politics!)

    http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/

    • RedLogix 15.1

      So if you think humans are not the “main source” of climate change … then what is?

      Pixies?

      • jaymam 15.1.1

        The sun is the main cause of climate change.

      • Bob 15.1.2

        Possibly the same thing that caused the temperature to be 0.25 of a degree warmer 600 years ago than now, could be pixies, that massive yellow thing in the sky seems to effect our daily temperature, I wonder why the IPCC doesn’t think it is important in Climate Change, so does Dr Eigil Friis-Christensen: “The IPCC refused to consider the sun’s effect on the Earth’s climate as a topic worthy of investigation. The IPCC conceived its task only as investigating potential human causes of climate change.”, here, have a read of 45 other climate scientists who are equally baffled by the IPCC’s idea’s http://undeceivingourselves.org/I-ipc3.htm

        One of my personal favourites comes from one of our very own, Dr Vincent Gray, climate consultant, long-standing member of the New Zealand Royal Society and expert reviewer for all four IPCC Assessment Reports described the IPCC’s climate change statements as: “An orchestrated litany of lies.” Poetic, isn’t it?

        • One Tāne Huna 15.1.2.1

          They refused to consider the sun?

          L(1-α) = εσT^4

          What the fuck is “L” doing in that equation then?

          • Bob 15.1.2.1.1

            “What the fuck is “L” doing in that equation then?”

            The L is incoming longwave radiation, what is your point OTH? This is purely measuring Irradiance, so are you precious friends at Skeptical Science, no measure on the suns magnetic fields/storms. Here is a quote from Dr Eigil Friis-Christensen’s 2007 Birkeland lecture (http://www.dnva.no/binfil/download.php?tid=27269) on the Earth – Sun magnetic correlation “Protection of our planet will be in the focus of much research but we have also realized that our planet is not isolated in Space. It is exposed to forces originating from the Sun, which we are just beginning to understand”, if these are forces we are just beginning to understand, and he has already found correlations between sun storms and earth’s weather (I know weather is short term, but over a long period of time, which I believe the sun has been around for, these weather events shape the climate), how the fuck is the ‘science settled’ as I keep hearing from commentators here.
            According to Wikipedia ‘Dr Eigil Friis-Christensen is an expert in space physics, and Director of the Danish National Space Center’, so I am pretty sure he is in a better position to comment than you or I.

            • One Tāne Huna 15.1.2.1.1.1

              Why are nights warming more than days?

              First you claim they don’t consider the sun, then I pointed out it only has it’s own term in the equation, and now you claim they are in fact researching it intensely.

              Oh, and to make yourself look even more like a tool, you trot out the bullshit lie about “settled science”, which I have answered in this forum so many times I’ve lost count.

              Once again for the remaining half-wits and amnesiacs:

              “…no scientist has said this is because they know full well that knowledge about science is not binary – science isn’t either settled or not settled. This is a false and misleading dichotomy. Instead, we know things with varying degrees of confidence – for instance, conservation of energy is pretty well accepted, as is the theory of gravity (despite continuing interest in what happens at very small scales or very high energies) , while the exact nature of dark matter is still unclear. The forced binary distinction implicit in the phrase is designed to misleadingly relegate anything about which there is still uncertainty to the category of completely unknown. i.e. that since we don’t know everything, we know nothing.

              Gavin Schmidt

              Blow harder, Bob.

        • One Tāne Huna 15.1.2.2

          Skeptical Science needs your expertise, Bob: they have it all wrong.

          But in amongst all the Physics and Mathematics which you, Bob, will no doubt be able to correct, I came across this little gem, which anyone can grasp. Even me.

          …if global warming were due to increased solar output, we would expect to see all layers of the atmosphere warm, and more warming during the day when the surface is bombarded with solar radiation than at night. Instead we observe a cooling of the upper atmosphere and greater warming at night, which are fingerprints of the increased greenhouse effect.

          “That’s a coffin with so many nails in it already that the hard part is finding a place to hammer in a new one.” Ray Pierrehumbert.

          Go on, back under your bridges the lot of you.

          • Bob 15.1.2.2.1

            Also, where did Skeptical science get their ‘Reconstructed Temperature, figure 5′ from? Oh wikipedia, that makes sense.
            See example 22 here http://undeceivingourselves.org/I-ipc3.htm

            • McFlock 15.1.2.2.1.1

              oh wow, Wikipedia? Anyone can submit to that. They might have just scribbled on a bit of paper.

              Alternatively, they might have actually referenced where they got the data from.

              And your example 22 is irrelevant to Skeptical Science, Wikipedia, and OTH’s quote.

              When all’s said and done, that was quite a spectacular fail – so spectacular that I’m actually marginally closer to becoming a vegetarian, playing the guitar, and wearing a fucking poncho. I think it’s a physiological reaction to reading your stupidity, as the only alternative is to sneeze so hard while holding my nose so that brain matter is expelled out my ears. You utter pillock.

              • Bob

                The link you gave me went to the Wikipedia page I mentioned, and they reference the NCDC who have removed that graph from the archive it links too! Why would they remove the graph if it was still relevant (or correct)? Why would ‘non-biased’ scientific website still be using incorrect data?
                Example 22 refutes the graph used by Skeptical Science on the page OTH sent me too, to apparently learn something from. If they can’t even use correct temperature data how can they even begin to work towards a viable hypothesis?

                • McFlock

                  You did not mention a Wikipedia page. You mentioned the entirety of Wikipedia. Similarly, there are over a dozen links or citations to individual sources used in the creation of that chart. Which single one were you having difficulty with? Because this one seems fine. Whereas your “example 22″ has not one single link, citation or other reference. So in order for it to be any use I’d have to print it off and use it as toilet paper.

                  • Bob

                    I just said the NCDC have removed that graph from their archives and you link me back to the NCDC, bit slow tonight?
                    ““example 22″ has not one single link, citation or other reference. So in order for it to be any use I’d have to print it off and use it as toilet paper” This is a fair comment, here you go, the data is based on Figure 8 from this paper http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/McKitrick-hockeystick.pdf If this isn’t enough for you then try this, here is a link to approx 120 graphs with citations, most of which contridict the graph that Skeptical Science uses (which comes from a wikipedia page who’s reference doesn’t exist!) http://www.c3headlines.com/temperature-charts-historical-proxies.html

                    • McFlock

                      Here’s how “credibility” works:
                      One broken link out of a dozen does not discredit anything.
                      Providing very rough referencing as an afterthought because the link you used to support your assertion had none certainly adds no credibility. Especially when your evidence is from one of these guys, an economist playing at climatology and seemingly only the golden boy of fools and those with a vested interest in burning the planet down after they leave.

                      But then you go into data dump mode: graphs with no context. You obviously fail to understand that a reference without an assertion is as useless as an assertion without a reference, or indeed and unwrapped condom without a dick to fill it.

                      It’s obvious that you’re trying to use words bigger than you are, it’s late, and I’m going to bed.

                    • Bob

                      “Here’s how “credibility” works: One broken link out of a dozen does not discredit anything” You really do need some sleep, there are only two external references on Wikipedia for the graph Skeptical Science use, one is a broken link as you put it, and the other links to the website of a lady called Lis Cohen who has a master’s degree in public affairs, and you try to discredit the use of my links to an Economists work when this is the reference OTH uses as the guru on Climate Change?

                    • One Tāne Huna

                      Bob, you’re not very good at this.

                      McKitrick 2005? What about Muller 2012 – y’know, the BEST study that Watts contributed to?

                      Multiple threads of evidence tell us that Earth is warming. Citing McKitrick’s 2005 (bogus) objections to Mann et al seems a bit redundant in the light of Muller et al, no?

                      Oh, I almost forgot: why are nights warming more than days the way Arrhenius said they would? Why is the upper atmosphere cooling down while the surface warms up? And why is the Arctic warming more than the Antarctic?

                      Gotta love that late nineteenth century climate model, eh! Oh, and first you said the warming is the sun and now you appear to be saying Earth’s not warming.

                      Are you delusional or mendacious?

    • One Tāne Huna 15.2

      Dr. Willem De Lange’s zombie fantasies have been thoroughly debunked.

      /

      • Bob 15.2.1

        So why won’t the IPCC allow him to remove his name and research from the mighty consensus on Climate Change then? Is it because once they allow his research to be removed it sets the precident for other scientists to remove their names also?

        He is not alone http://undeceivingourselves.org/I-ipc3.htm

        • One Tāne Huna 15.2.1.1

          Because the argument from authority carries no weight. His published work stands or falls on its own merits.

  15. xtasy 16

    Shearer or no shearer -

    With all given “natural gifts” of supposed “intelligence” and capability to “reason”, one would think that human beings would have it all under control and could manage their existence on planet earth quite well.

    I am afraid, but it does not seem to work.

    The human being is the most destructive and ignorant being on the planet, because while animals act under instinct and in need to survive, we have humans being pre-occupied with ravaging each other and the planet’s resources. Humans are hostile to the environment, and they generally want to exploit resources, to survive and more.

    But this will and cannot go on. Sadly only a few realise what that means. Having grown up on a farm and close to nature, I know what needs to be done. But as most humans these days are urban city dwellers, only having a very alienated view and impression of “nature” and “agriculture”, I fear we are to be doomed. I see no potential for change, as we just have more destructive habits and consumerist behaviour going on. There is NO indication of an increased awareness of environmental needs and concerns. This planet will largely die, because of the worst plague it ever experienced: The HUMAN PLAGUE, worse than the RAT plague of past ages.

    So talk about a “leader”, that is a total side show of idiots leading worse idiots, I am afraid! I rather move on, to a hopeful early grave. This is all a lost battle and no cause to stand up for anymore.

    Good night.

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  • Collins’ actions were wrong, not unwise
    John Key’s moral compass remains off-kilter as he cannot bring himself to declare Judith Collins’ actions outright wrong, not simply ‘unwise’, said Labour MP Grant Robertson. “Under pressure John Key is finally shifting his stance but his failure to condemn...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Public servants behaving with more integrity than their masters
    The State Services Commission's new report on the integrity of our state services reflects the yawning gap between the behaviour of public servants and that of their political masters, Labour's State Services spokesperson Maryan Street says. “This report, which surveyed...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Phil Twyford Speech to NZCID
    "Labour's plan to build more and build better: how new approaches to housing, transport and urban development will deliver cities that work" Phil Twyford, Labour Party spokesperson on housing, transport, Auckland issues, and cities.  ...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Labour commits to independent Foreign Affairs and Trade
    “Labour is committed to New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs and Trade policy being independent and proactive, Labour’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson David Shearer says. “We are a small but respected country. Our voice and actions count in international affairs. Labour will take a...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Key must sack Collins over abhorrent actions
    The latest revelations that Judith Collins sent the contact details of a public servant to WhaleOil in a desperate attempt to divert media attention from a bad story is abhorrent, Labour MP Grant Robertson says. “John Key and Judith Collins...
    Labour | 19-08
  • Petition for Governor General of New Zealand to Investigate all the allegat...
      Now we see the inquiry will be a whitewash, that is secret, won’t be consulted with the Opposition, will have limited scope and will ignore Nicky Hager’s book, we must demand the Governor General step in and demand an...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Ashburton, 1 September 2014
    I NEVER WENT BACK to Aramoana after the killing. I had been a frequent visitor to the tiny seaside village back in the late 1970s and throughout the 80s. Its tall cliffs and broad beaches providing a colourful backdrop to...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Checkmate in 1 move – how could Slater have known what was in OIA request...
    And now we get down to the final few moves before checkmate. If the following investigation is right, how could Slater and Collins have known what was in the Secret Intelligence Service Official Information Act request that hadn’t been released...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Of Jennifer Lawrence Without Consent
    Today the Edge website – owned by Media Works – published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent. It is not OK to publish naked media of any woman without her consent, full stop. It is absolutely disgusting...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate ...
    Bomber, Laila and Maggie – a highlight from Auckland Broadcasting Debate 2014...
    The Daily Blog | 01-09
  • Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking rant on Radio Hauraki: Today, how good was I i...
    Jeremy Wells’ Mike Hosking on Radio Hauraki...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Maggie Barry slags Laila Harre & blogger, audience erupt
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting held their public meeting in Auckland last night and it became a fiery shouting match when Maggie Barry decided to slag Laila Harre and me off. 250 people packed into the Pioneer Hall off High...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • It has to be a full independent public inquiry and Key MUST front
      You know things are bad when images like this start appearing in the media.  It isn’t a ‘left wing conspiracy’ to point out the over whelming evidence of what is clearly a right wing conspiracy! If it looks like a conspiracy, sounds like a conspiracy...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Political Party social media stats – National playing Dirty Politics on s...
    Interesting data from friend of the blog, Marty Stewart, on social media likes and it shows an interesting question that post Dirty Politics should probably get asked…   …it’s interesting that Key has so many personal followers.  One wonders if...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • The depth of the National rot and the compliance of our news media
    I’m so tired. Aren’t you? I don’t want to read the news anymore. It’s awful and I feel ashamed of it. We live in a country that people all over the world would give an arm, a leg; their life...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Conservative Party candidate links smacking ban with suicide, sexually tran...
    If Chemtrails, faked moon landings and climate change denial weren’t enough, welcome to your new Minister for Spanking,  Edward Saafi... The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections, a leading Conservative party candidate...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on the canonisation of Matthew Hooton
    Before we all start the canonisation of Matthew Hooton, let’s consider some home truths here shall we? While the Wellington Ruminator Blog, the blog who was previously mates with Judith Collins, now seems to have a crush on Matthew Hooton… …I...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word on undercover cops in bars
    Dunedin police booze operation labelled ‘creepy’ Undercover police officers drank in Dunedin bars as part of an operation targeting liquor licensing offences. While police said the inaugural operation was a success — with most bars found compliant — the Hospitality...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Judith Collins press conference
    Judith Collins press conference...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Angry Lawyer – Collins, Odgers, Williams and legal ethics
    We deserve better lawyers than Judith Collins Three of the worst offenders exposed in Dirty Politics are lawyers: Judith Collins, Cathy Odgers, and Jordan Williams. What Nicky Hager exposed them doing would be out of line for anyone, but from...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Necessary Defence
    Increasingly climate change is becoming the main fracture line between political parties. Where political parties stand on climate change defines political parties and movements like no other issue. The Mana Movement like the Maori Party it sprang from, came out...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Why it is all over for John Key
    Image: Melanie D I’ve been confident that National will lose this election and that our focus should be on what a progressive Government needs to establish as its agenda in the first 100 days. Past that point, the establishment pushes back...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • A brief word to everyone who voted National in 2011
    I received this interesting email from a National Party supporter today… …let me say this to anyone who voted National last election – you should be ashamed by what has been revealed and what your vote ended up enabling but...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Déjà Vu All Over Again: John Ansell confirms his participation...
      THE MAN BEHIND the Iwi-Kiwi billboards that very nearly won the 2005 election for Don Brash and the National Party has confirmed his involvement in businessman John Third’s and former Act MP Owen Jennings’ campaign to drive down the...
    The Daily Blog | 31-08
  • Public Broadcasting Auckland debate 6.30pm tonight now with Colin Craig &am...
    The Coalition for Better Broadcasting debate on public broadcasting happens tonight at 6.30pm in Auckland at the Pioneer Women’s Hall, High Street, Auckland City.  In the light of Dirty Politics and the manipulation of the media, public broadcasting is more important for...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Winners & Losers in Collins sacking plus what’s the latest on Slater...
      Make no mistake, there was no way this was a resignation, it’s a face saving way out for Collins, she was sacked.  My understanding is that National internal polls are haemorrhaging and that the powers that be within National...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Third party propaganda attacks incoming Labour-led government
    . . Further to a report by Daily Blogger, Chris Trotter, on receiving information regarding planned attack-billboards, the following billboard is highly visible to traffic on the southbound lane of the Wellington motorway, just prior to the Murphy St turn-off....
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Labour wins the Internet
    I’m sure I’m not the only one who tried to vote online for the leaders debate and couldn’t because the website was down. The next option was the txt vote, 75c a pop of course. So I’m not surprised that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Anjum Rahman – Rotherham and the need to challenge willful bl...
    I haven’t been following the events in Rotterham too closely.  I’ve read about the basic issues and the culture of silence that stopped action been taken even after complaints were made.  That culture of silence is incredibly familiar, and described...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Review: Hairspray
      Oh Hairspray! What fun! Somehow I managed to miss the movie when it came out, I had no idea really what it was about though I felt it had a vague relation to High School Musical. In retrospect, that...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • Mounting global pressure against Timor-Leste’s ‘death sentence’ media...
    East Timor’s José Belo … courageous fight against ‘unconstitutional’ media law.Image: © Ted McDonnell 2014 CAFÉ PACIFIC and the Pacific Media Centre Online posted challenges to the controversial ‘press law’ nine months ago when it emerged how dangerous this draft...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Spies, Lies and When Campaigns Are Fried
    Like most of the rest of the nation’s political classes, I was eagerly affixed to TV One from 12:30 on Saturday afternoon to witness the downfall of Judith Collins.Whenever we witness the crumbling of a titan of the political landscape...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Whaleoil crushes Crusher
    Judith ends up shooting herself A new email has been released suggesting that Collins was attempting to undermine the head of Serious Fraud Office with the help of far right hate speech merchant Cameron Slater. Unbelievable!   She has been forced...
    The Daily Blog | 30-08
  • BREAKING: Rumours Judith Collins gone at lunchtime
    Brook Sabin first of the mark with rumours Judith Collins is about to resign – PM announcing a statement at 12.30pm… …Paddy follows… …Vance confirms..   …if Collins is gone by lunchtime, it will be because the PM understands the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • BREAKING: UPDATE on DIRT ALERT!
    Thanks to the information passed to Chris Trotter by “Idiot/Savant” from No Right Turn it is now possible to identify at least some of the persons involved in this latest example of attack politics. What follows is Chris’s response to Idiot/Savant’s timely assistance: Well done...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Comparing burning puppets, hip hop lyrics and drunk student chants to black...
    Watching the mainstream media try and obscure Cunliffe’s surprise win in the leaders debate  is a reminder the Press Gallery is in depressed shock. The current spin line from the Wellington bubble media in the wake of Dirty Politics is that...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Why has it all gone quiet on Charter Schools?
    They’re one of ACT’s flagship policies and the National Party have been gung ho in supporting them. So how come we’re not hearing Hekia Parata, Jamie Whyte, Catherine Isaac, et al singing from the rafters about what a resounding success charter...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall
    Moment of Truth – September 15th – Auckland Town Hall...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • EXCLUSIVE: Dirt Alert! Are the Greens and Labour about to become the target...
    WE’VE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE. In 2005 pamphlets began appearing all over New Zealand attacking Labour and the Greens. For a couple of days both the parties targeted and the news media were flummoxed. Who was behind such an obviously...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The Donghua Liu Affair: the Press Council’s decision
    . . 1. Prologue . The Donghua Liu Affair hit  the headlines on 18 June, with allegations that David Cunliffe wrote a letter in 2003,  on  behalf of  business migrant, Donghua Liu. Four days later, on Sunday 22 June, the...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • The difference between Cunliffe & Key in the debate
    It was with much interest that I watched the leaders debate on Thursday night.  I watched with an open mind, always happy to have my opinion changed.  Maybe John Key is all the wonderful things that many say about him,...
    The Daily Blog | 29-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Denis Tegg – When Did We Agree To Our Data Being Shared with ...
    New shocking evidence has emerged from Edward Snowden’s trove of documents about a program called ICREACH under which data collected by the GCSB is shared with 23 US spy agencies. Under new sharing agreements which appear to have commenced immediately after...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Why Internet MANA are the best political friends the Greens could ever get
    Metiria at last nights #GreenRoomNZ: standing on the shoulders and camera cases of giants  NZers, regardless of political spectrum or apathy level, have a wonderful beach cricket egalitarianism about us. If we can objectively conclude a winner, then that person...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Sick of the Sleaze? Protest against National’s dirty politics THIS SATURD...
    Sick of the Sleaze? Protest now dammit! Three weeks before the election, action is being taken across the country voicing a rejection of the National Government’s track record and direction. Rallies are being held in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • GUEST BLOG: Sir Edmund Thomas – Address at Nicky Hager public meeting
    I regard it as privilege to chair this public meeting. I have long had the greatest admiration for Nicky Hager’s work, and nothing I have read or heard in the media over the past week or so has caused me...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour and New Zealand Superannuation
    The kerfuffle in the wake of Nicky Hager’s Dirty Politics has had a detrimental impact on our discussion of economic policies. Signs are that the main beneficiaries of the dirty politics revelations will be Winston Peters and Colin Craig; certainly National suffered...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Coalition for Better Broadcasting – Mike Hosking and the Leader’s Debat...
    A few weeks ago I blogged that Mike Hosking was a terrible choice as moderator for the TV One Party Leader’s Debate, because he is so embarrassingly biased in favour of John Key. So I watched the show with curiosity,...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Democracy and Cancer: A critical analysis of Dirty Politics
    Twenty years ago, England’s renowned television playwright Denis Potter died of pancreatic cancer.  Readers may recall his two masterpieces ‘Pennies from Heaven’ and ‘The Singing Detective’.  During a final television interview with Melvyn Bragg, Potter declared that he had named...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Cunliffe beats Key in First Leaders debate
    I watched the First Leaders debate at the Green Party #GreenRoomNZ, they were very kind to include me and the atmosphere was great. The debate was a resounding victory to Cunliffe. He won Round 1, Round 2, Round 3 and...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • LIVE STREAM: The Green Room Leader’s Debate from 6:30pm
    The Green Room will be hosted by media commentator Russel Brown, and will feature Green Co-leaders Metiria Turei and Russel Norman responding to the debate live, along with comment from thought leaders and commentators. ‘The Green Room’ 6pm – 8.30pm...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • How many taxpayer funded staff does John Key need to prepare for a Leaders ...
    John Key is currently at the Auckland Stamford Plaza with 40 staff, 4 undercover police cars and an entire floor booked out in preparation for tonights Leader’s debate. Isn’t 40 staff including coms, flown up to Auckland for a debate...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • A brief word on National Party Rodney MP, Mark Mitchell
    MP considers legal action against Nicky HagerThe National MP says he is considering taking a defamation case after the September 20 election.“Someone needs to be held accountable,” he said. Oh really champ? Brothers and sisters, there is a long way...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Greens advertise on Whaleoil – but not on The Daily Blog?
    PaknSave have shown ethical compass and blocked adverts on Whaleoil, yet the Greens are advertising on Whaleoil, and not The Daily Blog? I would imagine there are far more potential Green voters on The Daily Blog then ever are on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • It’s about the stupid economy stupid
    In focus group meetings, the sleepy hobbits of NZ by a staggering amount all believe that National are better economic stewards of the country than Labour, that’s why, instead of answering questions about blackmailing MPs, trawling brothels for dirt on...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Labour Policy vs National Policy
    John Key’s favourite defence spin at the moment is people want to talk about policy and not hear answers on the ethics of trawling brothels, why Slater was given SIS information, blackmailing MPs into standing down, rigging candidate elections and hacking...
    The Daily Blog | 28-08
  • Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton
    Personal Statement by Matthew Hooton 1 September 2014 For Immediate Release “This morning I made comments on Radio New Zealand’s Nine to Noon programme about an attempt by staff in the Prime Minister’s Office to interfere in the appointment...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Worm turns down for John Key
    John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s Reactor, the original Worm. John Key struggled to coax The Worm above the line in Thursday’s Leaders Debate, according to Roy Morgan’s...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Edge Posts Naked Photos Without Consent
    The Edge website, owned by Media Works have published fully naked photographs of Jennifer Lawrence without her consent....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Statement from the Governor-General on Ashburton Shootings
    The Governor-General, Lt Gen The Rt Hon Sir Jerry Mateparae, has expressed his deep shock following the shooting of three people in Ashburton today....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Update on IGIS inquiry into release of NZSIS information
    In recognition of the public interest, the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, Cheryl Gwyn, took the unusual step of providing an update during the course of an inquiry and confirmed today that she would be summoning a number of individuals...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • An Open Government Plan developed in secrecy
    The State Services Commission sent NZ’s Open Government Action Plan to the international Open Government Partnership (OGP) Secretariat on 31 July. The countries involved in the OGP since its inception - from the UK and US to Indonesia and Brazil...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • KiwiRail; another year older and deeper in debt
    That is a lot of money and there are lessons that need to be learnt before we pour in another $1 billion....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Fonterra China Deal Demands Safe Supply Chain
    The future success of Fonterra’s deal to sell infant formula in China [1] requires all milk it uses be safe and for Fonterra to secure its supply chain from contamination by GE DNA and pesticide residues. There is now significant...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • HRC praises Auckland mum for speaking out
    Race Relations Commissioner Dame Susan Devoy has praised an Auckland mother of four who went public after humiliating treatment by staff at The Warehouse....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Southern DHB refers disputed issue to Serious Fraud Office
    Following advice from forensic investigation firm Beattie Varley Limited, Southern District Health Board has referred the expenditure at the centre of its long running dispute with South Link Health to the Serious Fraud Office. The parties have been...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • The Letter 1 September 2014
    Last night’s TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll puts the left and right 60 MPs each. United and the Maori Party say they will go with the side that gets to 61 MPs. ACT just needs just 1.3% or 28 thousand Party...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Shopping Giveaway Harmless Fun For Kids
    Family First NZ is rubbishing claims by critics including Gareth Morgan that the New World ‘Little Shop’ promotion is harmful for kids, and says that kids should be allowed to be kids. “Children love acting like their parents and pretending...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Red Cross launches employment service for former refugees
    New Zealand Red Cross is encouraging employers to give refugees a fresh startwith the launch of Pathways to Employment, a nationwide work assistance service....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • EDS welcomes Labour’s Conservation Policy
    The Environmental Defence Society has welcomed Labour’s Conservation Policy including the key objective of halting the current pattern of indigenous biodiversity decline within ten years....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Poverty is falling and income inequality is not rising
    “A Roy Morgan poll shows that the issue people are most concerned about is income inequality. This just goes to show how the persistent repetition of a lie bewilders the public. Income inequality is not in fact rising. And the...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Rotary NZ responding to Fiji water and sanitation issues
    Clean water and sanitation are vital to health. In Fiji Rotary New Zealand have been targeting 22 communities that are experiencing severe hardship mainly because they don’t have access to clean water for their drinking, cleaning and cooking needs....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Work & Income shooting a Tragedy
    Kay Brereton speaking on behalf of the National Beneficiary Advocacy Consultancy group says; “Two people shot and another wounded, this is a tragedy and our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and whanau of the victims, as well as...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • 1080 Poison Deer Repellent not Effective – Farmers
    Four deer have been found dead within a farmer's bush block, after an aerial 1080 poison drop applied with deer repellent. The drop was part of a 30,000 hectare drop across the Northern Pureora Forest Park....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Employment Charter will strengthen migrants’ rights
    Establishing an Employment Charter for construction companies is a critical step to strengthening the rights of migrant workers that are fast becoming the face of the Christchurch rebuild, according to an alliance of union groups. The charter has...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Global March For Elephants and Rhino
    It’s a trans-national business that funds terrorist organisations, fuels conflict in Africa, and poses environmental, development and security challenges. The illegal wildlife trade is also a lucrative business, generating an estimated USD$20 billion...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • New series of videos aimed at disengaged youth
    From the people who brought you 'NZ Idle' (NZ's favourite web series about an artist on the dole) comes a new series about election time: Choice Lolz....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Picket Of Leaders Christchurch Debate
    KEEP OUR ASSETS PICKET OF LEADERS CHRISTCHURCH DEBATE TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 2nd, 6 p.m. ST MARGARETS COLLEGE, SHREWSBURY STREET, MERIVALE...
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Vega Auriga should be detained in NZ until problems fixed
    Maritime Union of New Zealand National Secretary Joe Fleetwood says that the ship Vega Auriga should be detained in a New Zealand port until it is deemed seaworthy and crew issues have been fixed....
    Scoop politics | 01-09
  • Minor Parties Added to Election ‘Bribe-O-Meter’
    The Taxpayers’ Union have added the Green, ACT, United Future and Conservative Parties to the ‘ Bribe-O-Meter ’ hosted at taxpayers.org.nz . Excluding ACT and New Zealand First, the total election ‘bribes’ - that is new spending not already...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Fiery Broadcasting Debate in Auckland
    Over 250 people turned out for the Auckland Broadcasting and Media Debate in Auckland City last night to hear politicians give their solutions to NZ’s media and broadcasting woes....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Independent Epsom Candidate: Adam Holland
    Today I am very proud to have been nominated to run as an independent candidate by the people of Epsom in order to work hard for the people of Epsom, Mount Eden, Newmarket and Remuera....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Voters favour parties with factory farming policies
    A Horizon Research poll shows that 64.7% of adults are more likely to vote for a political party with a policy against factory farming....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Collins And Dirty Politics Drive The #nzpol Wordcloud
    After Judith Collins' resignation as Minister from Cabinet on Saturday, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol and for approximately the 24 hours since the announcement to produced this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Bill English: allegations against Judith Collins are serious
    Deputy Prime Minister Bill English told TV1’s Q+A programme that the allegations against Judith Collins are serious and that’s why an inquiry is needed....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Culture Change Required
    "There are serious issues raised in an Employment Relations Authority judgement released this week. The culture within the Whangarei District Council (WDC) organisation must change. The culture of any organisation is defined by its leadership starting...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Reducing Reoffending Statistic Challenged
    In Rethinking’s latest blog, http://blog.rethinking.org.nz/2014/08/th-bps-reducing-crime-and-reoffending.html it closely examines the current claim that reoffending in New Zealand has reduced by 12.5% since June 2011, and reveals how that figure has been achieved. It argues...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • University economics team studying workers’ comparing wages
    A University of Canterbury economics research team is looking at fairness of the job assignments and whether workers are sensitive to the wages of their co-workers....
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Statement by State Services Commissioner
    30 August 2014 "The State Services Commission was contacted by the Prime Minister's Office over the last 24 hours on this issue." “Any activity that undermines, or has the potential to undermine, the trust and confidence in the public service...
    Scoop politics | 31-08
  • Christchurch Council Circus … Continued
    In 2010 the UK Daily Mail investigated the antics of a major bureaucratically bloated London Local Authority and reported with THE GREAT INERTIA SECTOR ....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • The Nation Housing Debate
    Patrick It's the great Kiwi dream, but is owning the roof over your head now just a pipe dream for many Kiwis? Homeownership is at the lowest level in half a century. National's answer is to double subsidies to first-home...
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • Time to Shine Light on Shadowy Spies
    Internet MANA has promised to set up a Royal Commission of Inquiry into New Zealand’s intelligence agencies, with a view to transferring oversight of spying operations to a new, independent authority....
    Scoop politics | 30-08
  • New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues
    New Zealand’s biggest problems are Economic Issues (41%) while the World’s most important problems are War & Terrorism (35%) just three weeks before NZ Election...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • NZ 2014 Leaders Index – week ending 29 August
    Below is iSentia’s first weekly Leaders’ Index, showing the relative amount of coverage of nine Party Leaders in the lead up to the National Election across news media and social media. We will produce these reports for the next three...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Judgment in Paki v Attorney General
    Tamaiti Cairns said that today’s Supreme Court decision is complicated, but, in essence opens the door for Maori people to go forward with their essential claims to water. Further work is required and Pouakani Trust will continue to pursue its...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Supreme Court Decision on Maori Water Rights
    “ … the Supreme Court refused to give Pouakani people what they asked for, but may have given them something much, much better instead. The Appellants had argued that the Crown’s ownership of the River was as a fiduciary for...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Leaders Dinner with Campbell Live, Dessert with RadioLIVE
    John Campbell is hosting Colin Craig, Winston Peters, Laila Harre, Metiria Turei, Peter Dunne, Jamie Whyte and Te Ururoa Flavell LIVE from Auckland’s Grand Harbour Restaurant on Wednesday 3 September at 7pm....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Credit unions in the political spotlight
    Dirty politics was put aside last night as senior politicians outlined their universal support for growing the cooperatively owned credit union and mutual building society sector in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Maryan Street on issues of importance to older people
    Liam Butler interviews Hon Maryan Street MP on issues of importance to older New Zealanders...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • John Hanita Paki and others v The Attorney-General
    JOHN HANITA PAKI, TORIWAI ROTARANGI, TAUHOPA TE WANO HEPI, MATIU MAMAE PITIROI AND GEORGE MONGAMONGA RAWHITI v THE ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF NEW ZEALAND FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CROWN (“THE CROWN”) (SC 7/2010)...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Last Nights Leaders Debate Drives The #nzpol Wordcloud
    Following last nights leaders debate on TV One between John Key and David Cunliffe, the data insight organisation Qrious collected all tweets that used the hashtag #nzpol from approximately the last 24 hours to produce this wordcloud....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Campaign suggests reason behind suicide gender statistics
    An online campaign about meaning and belonging has revealed an interesting connection with the difference in suicide rates between men and women....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Act Policy Vindicated by Sensible Sentencing Data
    ACT Leader Dr Jamie Whyte says the Sensible Sentencing Trust's just released analysis of 3 Strikes legislation "proves ACT was right to promote the policy and that it has made New Zealand a much safer country. The figures show beyond...
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • “Robin Hood tax and other clever ways to help our kids”
    It’s time to talk about tax. Not just income tax but other kinds of tax too....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • Cannabis Laws Breach Treaty – ALCP
    Cannabis prohibition is neo-colonial oppression resulting in the disproportionate imprisonment of Maori, the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party says....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
  • 2014 Variation Broadcasting Allocation Decision Released
    The Electoral Commission has released a variation decision on the amount of time and money allocated to political parties for the broadcasting of election programmes for the 2014 General Election....
    Scoop politics | 29-08
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