Comments on: Wee gripes: 3 of 3 http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/ The New Zealand labour movement used to have its own newspaper. A group of us thought that now might be a good time for it to be digitally reborn: The Standard v2.0 - now in a new format The Standard v3.0 Tue, 29 May 2012 02:58:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: TightyRighty http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-147117 TightyRighty Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:18:14 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-147117 weak weak

]]> By: Zetetic http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-147051 Zetetic Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:28:24 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-147051 It'll be obvious by now that I don't care that Clark and Goff used the term. I still hate it.They shouldn't have used it. But I'll give you a nice little lesson in logic since we're here. I wrote: "Business New Zealand and other assorted tossers. Stop calling our country ‘New Zealand Inc'" Am I asserting the BizNZ and other assorted tossers are tossers BECAUSE they use the term 'NZ Inc'? No. That does not logically flow from the words. They would be tossers even if they didn't use the term. Am I asserting that anyone who has used the term is,THEREFORE, a tosser? No. No more than I am asserting all tossers call our country NZ Inc. Tosserness is a separate quality from NZ Inc calling with portions of each set overlapping. It’ll be obvious by now that I don’t care that Clark and Goff used the term. I still hate it.They shouldn’t have used it.

But I’ll give you a nice little lesson in logic since we’re here. I wrote:

“Business New Zealand and other assorted tossers. Stop calling our country ‘New Zealand Inc’”

Am I asserting the BizNZ and other assorted tossers are tossers BECAUSE they use the term ‘NZ Inc’? No. That does not logically flow from the words. They would be tossers even if they didn’t use the term.

Am I asserting that anyone who has used the term is,THEREFORE, a tosser? No. No more than I am asserting all tossers call our country NZ Inc.

Tosserness is a separate quality from NZ Inc calling with portions of each set overlapping.

]]> By: Zetetic http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-147044 Zetetic Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:48:52 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-147044 Why is that fail? They shouldn't call our country NZ Inc. It's a wanky, dumb thing to say. Why is that fail?

They shouldn’t call our country NZ Inc. It’s a wanky, dumb thing to say.

]]> By: Zetetic http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-147043 Zetetic Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:47:21 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-147043 don't use big words, Irish. makes TC sleepy. don’t use big words, Irish. makes TC sleepy.

]]> By: Zetetic http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-147042 Zetetic Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:39:54 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-147042 Your mistake is in thinking I would never intentionally criticise Goff. You would have a little heart-attack if you realised you had attacked some behaviour and it tunred out Key did it. Because Key is your hero. A Randian superman. A god. Goff can and does get it wrong, in my view, and I don't have any problem with saying so. Still prefer him to be PM than that other dude - the one whose failed to make any positive changes for the country. Your mistake is in thinking I would never intentionally criticise Goff.

You would have a little heart-attack if you realised you had attacked some behaviour and it tunred out Key did it. Because Key is your hero. A Randian superman. A god.

Goff can and does get it wrong, in my view, and I don’t have any problem with saying so. Still prefer him to be PM than that other dude – the one whose failed to make any positive changes for the country.

]]> By: Madeleine http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-147024 Madeleine Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:27:52 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-147024 Was this a slow blogging day? Couldn't find anything else to make the tags John Key and National Party appear even more out of propertion in your tag cloud? LOL Was this a slow blogging day? Couldn’t find anything else to make the tags John Key and National Party appear even more out of propertion in your tag cloud? LOL

]]> By: Inventory2 http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146965 Inventory2 Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:02:07 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146965 Correct burt - they are only tossers when someone in authority (like Irish Bill) says so. Otherwise, they are the best thing since sliced bread ;-) Correct burt – they are only tossers when someone in authority (like Irish Bill) says so. Otherwise, they are the best thing since sliced bread ;-)

]]> By: TC http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146961 TC Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:30:49 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146961 "...they are just different iterations of the capitalist paradigm" Yawn... “…they are just different iterations of the capitalist paradigm”

Yawn…

]]> By: burt http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146958 burt Sat, 18 Jul 2009 02:04:05 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146958 Zutroy You just don't get it do you - it's OK when Labour people do it! Zutroy

You just don’t get it do you – it’s OK when Labour people do it!

]]> By: Johnty Rhodes http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146957 Johnty Rhodes Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:48:26 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146957 Zet would rather us say NZ BLOC, just like his commie mates in the old East Europe. Zet would rather us say NZ BLOC, just like his commie mates in the old East Europe.

]]> By: Nick C http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146952 Nick C Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:34:04 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146952 Helen Clark, Phil Goff: Tossers EPIC FAIL!!! Helen Clark, Phil Goff: Tossers

EPIC FAIL!!!

]]> By: Askewed http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146932 Askewed Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:38:45 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146932 From memory MED had to come up with the New Zealand Inc concept when Mallard was Minister as the Green-led Buy NZ Made programme was going to exclude so many high profile brands like Ice Breaker for example. From memory MED had to come up with the New Zealand Inc concept when Mallard was Minister as the Green-led Buy NZ Made programme was going to exclude so many high profile brands like Ice Breaker for example.

]]> By: randal http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146931 randal Fri, 17 Jul 2009 22:30:52 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146931 it would be ok if only they could make a profit. otherwise its New Zealand Red Ink. basically they dont care if they make a profit or not just as long as they have captured another human being so they can psychologically abuse them. just a s good if not better than money dude. it would be ok if only they could make a profit.
otherwise its New Zealand Red Ink.
basically they dont care if they make a profit or not just as long as they have captured another human being so they can psychologically abuse them. just a s good if not better than money dude.

]]> By: Oliver http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146927 Oliver Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:57:06 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146927 The term "New Zealand Inc" is heard frequently throughout the public service in Wellington where I work. It's usually used when discussing how multiple govt agencies can work together to tackle an issue rather than just leaving it to someone else. The term “New Zealand Inc” is heard frequently throughout the public service in Wellington where I work. It’s usually used when discussing how multiple govt agencies can work together to tackle an issue rather than just leaving it to someone else.

]]> By: Own Goal | Kiwiblog http://thestandard.org.nz/wee-gripes-3-of-3/comment-page-1/#comment-146925 Own Goal | Kiwiblog Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:31:37 +0000 http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=17150#comment-146925 [...] of the Standard authors whined: Business New Zealand and other assorted tossers. Stop calling our country ‘New Zealand Inc'. [...] [...] of the Standard authors whined: Business New Zealand and other assorted tossers. Stop calling our country ‘New Zealand Inc’. [...]

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