Beltway blues: serving the public interest?

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1. Enough is Enough 1

   10 March 2014 at 1:04 pm

   His response to the question about business being confused should have been.

   I don’t care if they are confused. The Green/Labour Government will serve the workers and unemployed. If business don’t understand that they need to change their excutives within the next 6 months so that they are across what is coming. They need to prepare themselves for real change.
   • Roflcopter 1.1

     10 March 2014 at 3:12 pm

     Yep, myself on the right would have LOVED for him to say that.
2. blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 2

   10 March 2014 at 1:25 pm

   Hi Karol, great article, thanks. I believe the subject matter of your article can’t be repeated too often.

   I find TV1 News far more balanced than TV3 ‘News’ (yeah, this isn’t hard to achieve , however many political programme appear to ‘struggle’ to do so). I agree that they do still appear to focus on ‘business’ opinion and do not balance such out with information and comments of the realtime effects of this current government’s policies for people.

   I do not, however like Q&A. The interview style – is too aggressive; interrupting the interviewee so much that they rarely manage to get anything said. The interviewers come across as more delighted in and promoting their own selves rather than interested in eliciting information out of the interviewee for the viewers.

   Incidentally Susan Wood was provided as an example of someone with a very unprofessional – i.e. ineffective – interviewing style in a media course I attended a few years back.

   As for the choice in their ‘panel’ it begs the question is there so few people who are knowledgeable and capable of analysis in this country that they have to rummage up right wing spin doctors for the job? (Who provides neither knowledge or analysis – solely spin). The panel come across as being full of people who don’t want to ‘rock the boat.’ If someone does break out of the mould and challenge the banal tract the conversation is flowing along – Susan Woods interrupts and brings the conversation back to mediocrity.

   It appears that this programme is not intended to inform viewers – rather ensure that any interviewee doesn’t get to inform the general public and that the programme’s director gets to shape their opinions instead. What a bore.

   [I just posted a very similar comment and it completely disappeared – if it shows up I would appreciate you deleting one of them]

   [karol: done – and thanks]
   • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 2.1

     10 March 2014 at 2:00 pm

     Cheers Karol 🙂
     • Tim 2.1.1

       10 March 2014 at 9:37 pm

       God strewth!! don’t get me started on some of our supposed ‘interviewers’. You’re correct in that Susan Wood is a good (i.e. BAD) example.

       I have to say that many of the media pundits who make proclamations as to who and what good interviewing styles are, do so mostly on the basis of said interviewer’s longevity.
       I’m thinking Brian Bloody Edwards for example – quite a good interviewer himself if you care to go back to “Gallery” days … but holding up the likes of Paul Holmes as a good example. How is it they usually put it?? …. something like “the consumate broadcaster” – which generally means a self-promoter and egotist.

       Holmes: the foreskin of the leading question more concerned (like a Mora) of promoting themselves through appearing empathetic with an interviewee. Like asking the rape or burglary victim … “I suppose you’re feeling violated?”. God how I used to wish said victim would have said “No, not at all Paul …. because I realise this is all about YOU and my feeling violated would merely be violating your headspace and God-given right to promote yourself to star quality”
       Unfortunately there are fuck all good interviewers left in NZ – we’re now even exporting the dross.

       Part of it of course is environment – particularly the fact that their is no PSB platform (other than MTS and RNZ – excluding Natrad afternoons – which is more like an old ZB commercial network sounding board for the cult of bloody boring personality)
       • Tim 2.1.1.1

         10 March 2014 at 10:13 pm

         “something like “the consumate broadcaster” above ….. looks like I left out an “M” in “consummate:.
         That’d be the “M” that stands for ME ME ME I I I ME ME ME ME ME
3. Tracey 3

   10 March 2014 at 1:51 pm

   thanks karol.

   replace the sun with money and all this makes perfect sense.
4. Ad 4

   10 March 2014 at 1:54 pm

   I can sense your frustration Karol. I see vast reams of commentators about how unfair the media is. Please. We know its stacked, work within that context.

   And the alternative has arrived, and it’s us.

   There was an interesting exchange yesterday on Open Mike about the future of progressive blogs that are more populist than this one, as compared to the growing power and MSM competitiveness of Waleoil. Whaleoil is a dump truck more powerful than Mike Hoskings.

   Imagine a Whaleoil for the Left (is it really The Daily Blog? It sure ain’t Scoop).

   Imagine the power it would have, to contest not only newspapers, but tv itself.

   That is the opportunity.
5. JustLikeTigerWoods 5

   10 March 2014 at 2:08 pm

   Yeah, it’s all the media’s fault. I mean, they never – never, ever – have a go at National.

   It’s just not fair.
   • karol 5.1

     10 March 2014 at 2:26 pm

     JLTW.

     I didn’t say anything like “they never – never, ever – have a go at National.” I also did say there were some good things about One News last night.

     Did you read the post about how Qu & A was slanted to a particular perspective? Anything to say on that?

     For instance, why do you think Dann and the rest of Qu & A were following a lot of the recent media lines, and only addressing the interests of “Business”?
     • JustLikeTigerWoods 5.1.1

       10 March 2014 at 2:43 pm

       You mean Dann isn’t a Labour Party member? He practically winces each time he reads out poll results.

       I think you hear what you want to hear. You ignore the bias and hyperbole against National, but only pick it up when they’re talking about Labour.

       .
       • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 5.1.1.1

         10 March 2014 at 2:53 pm

         JLTW,

         You are attempting to present the view that the media contain rightwing bias as a case of opinion vs facts You require some proof to present this case plausibly to avoid doing exactly what you are accusing Karol of: ‘hearing only what you want to hear’.

         Please supply links or information to when National had stories that attacked them based on nothing other than fantasy or opinion or both.

         Labour and the Greens have recently been accused as being ‘hypocrital’ and/or ‘Tricky’ throughout most mainstream media sources – based on very implausible -unfactual – grounds. This is understandable if it were reported on National propaganda sites or presented as National Party spin – this was not the case though – it was presented as a genuine issue – which it was not.

         Please supply an instance for when this has occurred for National since they have been in power.

         Thanks
       • Tim 5.1.1.2

         10 March 2014 at 9:49 pm

         Christ JLTW!!
         Next you’ll be trying to convince us all that Kathryn Ryan is a leftie (whereas we all know she’s utterly fair and balanced and just you’re really work-life-balanced regular gal).
         I’ll admit there’s something about her that’s definitely not right, but she sure as hell isn’t left. Dann – same shit different stink.
         Perhaps one of the biggest problems with our MSM journalists is that (either by luck, or personality, or salesmanship, or other), they’ve simply managed to carve out a comfortable little niche, and like the used car salesman … they’ve learned all the buzz.
6. fender 6

   10 March 2014 at 2:35 pm

   Great post Karol.

   I genuinely believe the msm organisations and reporters are scared of critiquing Key and his policies in a thorough manner because they are afraid of the consequences of exposing the lack of substance.

   Even when Gower interviewed Key about him being ‘tricky’, Key got that ‘I will have you killed’ look in his eyes to remind people that he’s an ‘assassin’.
   • Chooky 6.1

     10 March 2014 at 3:22 pm

     Fender…..agreed msm are scared of critiquing Key and his policies

     +100 Karol for a great post …this needs to be sent to Editors of both paper and air/tv and radio

     …New Zealanders are sick of the media beat-ups on David Cunliffe and the Left ..It undermines democracy in this country …and it undermines the taxpayers and voters rights to get a fair hearing from politicians and get the facts !

     (…on the positive side there was a hell of a beat up on Winston Peters and a pollster beat up as well….and his voters were not fooled !….but the pollsters and the political commentators were shown up for the spinning fools they were)
7. TightyRighty 7

   10 March 2014 at 3:11 pm

   If labour didn’t fuck up so much, the media wouldn’t be able to report all the fuck ups. Hardly rocket science. Key and co fuck up less, so less gets reported. Alternatively, labour plays gotcha politics and fucks it up because either they get themselves too or get it wrong. Getting themselves: accusing jk of living in a leafy suburb and being out of touch. Dc lives in a leafy suburb and talks bro to try and fit in. Getting it wrong: what’s the government going to do about the manufacturing crises? What manufacturing crises?
   • Enough is Enough 7.1

     10 March 2014 at 3:14 pm

     What does “talks bro” mean you racist waste of space?
     • Anne 7.1.1

       10 March 2014 at 4:04 pm

       There seems to be a stubborn Hive-Media spin: that it is incomprehensible that someone with money can’t campaign against poverty and inequality; can want to do public service to help other people; and work to provide more opportunities for all New Zealanders, especially for “working and underprivileged New Zealanders”. Why is that such a mystery to the Hive-Media mind?

       Why is that such a mystery…? Simple. People tend to judge others by themselves. It happens all the time both at a collective and personal level. In this instance the “Hive-Media mind” is turned in on itself. They have no compassion, they don’t care if others are hung out to dry… they care least of all about the true facts of a case. All they care about is climbing the slippery media ladder and getting a cushy number in a cabinet minister’s office as a press secretary.

       They simply cannot conceive of someone like David Cunliffe actually caring about the people he purports to represent.
     • TightyRighty 7.1.2

       10 March 2014 at 4:08 pm

       it’s a dialect of New Zealand english. plenty of people of all colours speak it you dumb shit.

       it’s even been exported to places like london, hong kong, marseilles and bondi. it’s spoken by the “power kiwis” those who have taken the most identifiable parts of new zealand yoof culture with them. A love of all bands kiwi, shapies, katchafire, shihad etc. prominent displays of kiwi tattoo’s, southern cross, stylised tribal symbols, outlines of NZ. kiwi beer, kiwi movies. shit, sounds like prime labour territory. the only thing they have in common though is the fact they are from NZ. And David Cunliffe tries to talk like them when he thinks he’s in the right spot for it. yeah boi.

       if you weren’t so quick to be offended, you might not look like a total arse. too late though.
       • framu 7.1.2.1

         10 March 2014 at 4:17 pm

         yeah, your describing kiwi culture, which pretty much all NZers who are overseas do to some extent – especially the young OE-ers – and thats not “talking bro”

         talking bro would be using words like… um… bro, cuz, chur – that sort of thing. And yes, given that, and possible past statements from yourself, could you see how someone might think your being a bit racist-y?

         nice try – but i would rather be accused of talking bro than sounding like ive had a few at lunch – you do know who sounds like that dont you?

         this “cunliffes faking his accent” thing is really weird – i honestly dont see where you lot get it from
         • RedLogix 7.1.2.1.1

           10 March 2014 at 4:20 pm

           this “cunliffes faking his accent” thing is really weird – i honestly dont see where you lot get it from

           It’s a social marker, snobbery thing. Very important to righties.
           • framu 7.1.2.1.1.1

             10 March 2014 at 4:25 pm

             yup – sure is. I just dont see how they actually joined the dots on that one
           • Anne 7.1.2.1.1.2

             10 March 2014 at 4:36 pm

             It’s a social marker, snobbery thing. Very important to righties.

             And yet every time they open their mouths they expose themselves for the cretins/philistines they really are… starting with their beloved idol, John Key.
         • TightyRighty 7.1.2.1.2

           10 March 2014 at 4:26 pm

           But they do use those words framu? bro, cuz, chur, yeah boi. i hear it all the time from people in professional occupations in london, sydney, hong kong, paris. so what i’m describing is what i’m describing. not just kiwi culture, but POWER kiwis. it almost seems a parody until you realise they are serious. it’s not limited by the colour of their skin. these are people my age too. late twenties, highly educated, from all kinds of back grounds.

           i don’t really care for what you would rather be accused of. if you want to talk like that fine, but David Cunliffe doing it? seems very much at odds with the face he likes to present to the rest of New Zealand.
           • framu 7.1.2.1.2.1

             10 March 2014 at 4:35 pm

             starting to sound like a race thing buddy

             “A love of all bands kiwi, shapies, katchafire, shihad etc. prominent displays of kiwi tattoo’s, southern cross, stylised tribal symbols, outlines of NZ. kiwi beer, kiwi movies”

             hmm – looks like a kiwi expat culture description to me. (words being a subset of that)
           • felix 7.1.2.1.2.2

             11 March 2014 at 4:35 am

             So now your issue with Cunliffe is that he talks like “people in professional occupations” do, like “POWER kiwis” do?

             It’s still not clear. Keep explaining please.
       • Enough is Enough 7.1.2.2

         10 March 2014 at 4:22 pm

         I wasn’t offended. Stop being presumptuous.

         One can identify racism without being offended you ‘dumb shit’.

         Now back to your bollocks.

         Where the fuck are these ‘bro talk’ examples of David’s?
         • framu 7.1.2.2.1

           10 March 2014 at 4:24 pm

           “Where the fuck are these bro talk examples of Davids?”

           yes – please point them out

           if anyone could be accused of “talking bro” surely len brown would be further up the list than cunliffe
       • Murray Olsen 7.1.2.3

         11 March 2014 at 3:43 am

         TR – to be offended by you, someone would have to care about your opinion. I don’t. I think you’re a pathetic racist, but more than anything else, I think you and the other fools who run off to WhaleSpew and KiwiBog telling how they dealt to the Liebour retards at the Standard are just a joke. A bad joke, but the punchline is coming on the 20th of September. I suppose you’ll always be able to move to far north Queensland and impress the bogans with stories of the old days, “when we…”
   • framu 7.2

     10 March 2014 at 4:12 pm

     “Key and co fuck up less, so less gets reported. ”

     yeah – thats bullshit mate

     “Alternatively, labour plays gotcha politics”

     Exactly who pays whalespew and the penguin again? Just who do you think has been playing a very active role in the media feeding frenzy about cunliffe? Just who said they had a whole drawer full of interesting info?

     yeah the ABCs are probably in there to – but come on man, you do your self no favours

     This “labour are the nasty party and national are totes honest and play a fair game” meme is rediculous

     yes labour have some clangers – but to sit there and pretend that national dont, and the media havent been giving key a soft ride for years is staggering in its lack of connection to reality
     • blue leopard (Get Lost GCSB Bill) 7.2.1

       10 March 2014 at 4:20 pm

       +1 Framu
8. ianmac 8

   10 March 2014 at 3:45 pm

   How soon will it be before John Key be interviewed again by Paddy?

   It was the first Key interview where he was actually held to the topic and none of his deflections worked. Imagine if we had interviewers who knew their subject and pressed Leaders for credible answers. For instance the shallowness of the “recovery” would become evident.

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