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		<title>By: ballsdeep</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-131114</link>
		<dc:creator>ballsdeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a &quot;dumb bitch&quot; to me...

Now it&#039;s more than &#039;&quot;just her opinion&quot;, now she is trying to crush the rights of others and influence other people with her bigoted POV.
 
http://uk.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUKTRE5400DW20090501</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a &#8220;dumb bitch&#8221; to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s more than &#8216;&#8221;just her opinion&#8221;, now she is trying to crush the rights of others and influence other people with her bigoted POV.</p>
<p><a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUKTRE5400DW20090501" rel="nofollow">http://uk.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUKTRE5400DW20090501</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pascal's bookie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130947</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal's bookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;At the very least she&#039;ll have a ticket on the wingnut welfare train for a year or so, doing the interviews and hosting fundraisers&lt;/i&gt;


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/30/miss-california-carrie-pr_0_n_193503.html

and there we go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>At the very least she&#8217;ll have a ticket on the wingnut welfare train for a year or so, doing the interviews and hosting fundraisers</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/30/miss-california-carrie-pr_0_n_193503.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/30/miss-california-carrie-pr_0_n_193503.html</a></p>
<p>and there we go.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130808</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s because it might involve you listening to someone else. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because it might involve you listening to someone else. <img src='http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Philonz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130742</link>
		<dc:creator>Philonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This incident is another example of our reality TV &#039;laugh at the stupids&#039; culture.  These pageants are outdated and we should probably just ignore them but it seems that they have just turned into another excuse for us to laugh at people stupider, more ignorant, uglier, more deluded than us.  This is why Susan Boyle was a hit, because we expected her to be rubbish cos she doesn&#039;t look like a model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This incident is another example of our reality TV &#8216;laugh at the stupids&#8217; culture.  These pageants are outdated and we should probably just ignore them but it seems that they have just turned into another excuse for us to laugh at people stupider, more ignorant, uglier, more deluded than us.  This is why Susan Boyle was a hit, because we expected her to be rubbish cos she doesn&#8217;t look like a model.</p>
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		<title>By: Philonz</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130734</link>
		<dc:creator>Philonz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my country we don&#039;t believe in same sex goat marriage, only opposite goats. No offence to goats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my country we don&#8217;t believe in same sex goat marriage, only opposite goats. No offence to goats.</p>
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		<title>By: lprent</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130714</link>
		<dc:creator>lprent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Love the irony of Sheesh being banned or was that the joke?&lt;/em&gt;

Nope. There are rules on the site (see &lt;a href=&#039;/policy&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;policy&lt;/a&gt;). 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Abusing the sysop or post writers on their own site. This is viewed as self-evident stupidity, and should be added as a category to the Darwin Awards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you note, he wasn&#039;t even remotely on topic on his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thestandard.org.nz/an-illiterate-from-another-age/#comment-130672&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;later comment&lt;/a&gt;s. The first one he at least stayed on topic.

At one stage last year we had trolls coming in and using every post to simply attack the site and the authors of the site with massive number of comments that were just repeats. Effectively they were thread-jacking every post. Eventually we got pissed off with it. This is a site run by volunteers, and for the purposes of discussion - not tirades that amount to graffiti. Stupidly dropping graffiti everywhere gets people what they deserve because it doesn&#039;t contribute to debate.

If they want to participate here, they have to follow the site rules. They can exercise their &#039;right&#039; to free graffiti elsewhere. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Love the irony of Sheesh being banned or was that the joke?</em></p>
<p>Nope. There are rules on the site (see <a href='/policy' rel="nofollow">policy</a>). </p>
<blockquote><p>Abusing the sysop or post writers on their own site. This is viewed as self-evident stupidity, and should be added as a category to the Darwin Awards.</p></blockquote>
<p>If you note, he wasn&#8217;t even remotely on topic on his <a href="http://www.thestandard.org.nz/an-illiterate-from-another-age/#comment-130672" rel="nofollow">later comment</a>s. The first one he at least stayed on topic.</p>
<p>At one stage last year we had trolls coming in and using every post to simply attack the site and the authors of the site with massive number of comments that were just repeats. Effectively they were thread-jacking every post. Eventually we got pissed off with it. This is a site run by volunteers, and for the purposes of discussion &#8211; not tirades that amount to graffiti. Stupidly dropping graffiti everywhere gets people what they deserve because it doesn&#8217;t contribute to debate.</p>
<p>If they want to participate here, they have to follow the site rules. They can exercise their &#8216;right&#8217; to free graffiti elsewhere. </p>
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		<title>By: BLiP</title>
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		<dc:creator>BLiP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem very curious all of a sudden. Is that just a flash drive in your pocket or are you pleased to be here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem very curious all of a sudden. Is that just a flash drive in your pocket or are you pleased to be here?</p>
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		<title>By: Whacky Lefty</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130708</link>
		<dc:creator>Whacky Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before rushing to defend &#039;free speech&#039;, we should really look at where that comes from.

It comes from the Plutocracy where freedom was only enjoyed by land owning men over 40yrs of age. Women had no rights &amp; slavery was the economic base.

If a &#039;Man&#039; of that day could not defend himself he would loses face, standing and in all likely hood his land. This &#039;freedom&#039; was more akin to a warrior culture than our democracy.

To missrepresent &#039;freedom of speech&#039; as a sacred cow is to ignore the reality of the freedoms, such as they existed at that time.

All freedoms have limits &amp; all actions have consequences.

Love the irony of Sheesh being banned or was that the joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before rushing to defend &#8216;free speech&#8217;, we should really look at where that comes from.</p>
<p>It comes from the Plutocracy where freedom was only enjoyed by land owning men over 40yrs of age. Women had no rights &amp; slavery was the economic base.</p>
<p>If a &#8216;Man&#8217; of that day could not defend himself he would loses face, standing and in all likely hood his land. This &#8216;freedom&#8217; was more akin to a warrior culture than our democracy.</p>
<p>To missrepresent &#8216;freedom of speech&#8217; as a sacred cow is to ignore the reality of the freedoms, such as they existed at that time.</p>
<p>All freedoms have limits &amp; all actions have consequences.</p>
<p>Love the irony of Sheesh being banned or was that the joke?</p>
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		<title>By: grumpy</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130700</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to be a lot of regular contributors rushing to identify themselves as &quot;gay&quot;.

A lot more than most people would suspect given the general left leaning nature of this Blog.

Is this Blog really &quot;Left&quot; or just a front for &quot;Rainbow&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be a lot of regular contributors rushing to identify themselves as &#8220;gay&#8221;.</p>
<p>A lot more than most people would suspect given the general left leaning nature of this Blog.</p>
<p>Is this Blog really &#8220;Left&#8221; or just a front for &#8220;Rainbow&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Lew</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130689</link>
		<dc:creator>Lew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I don&#039;t think the problem is the fact of the calling as much as the manner.

L</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I don&#8217;t think the problem is the fact of the calling as much as the manner.</p>
<p>L</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130688</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy said what he thought, to her face. I don&#039;t see any problem with calling somebody else a homophobic jerk (is that a sufficiently non-gender-derogatory term?).

Just because somebody has a right an opinion doesn&#039;t mean that others don&#039;t have the right to call them on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy said what he thought, to her face. I don&#8217;t see any problem with calling somebody else a homophobic jerk (is that a sufficiently non-gender-derogatory term?).</p>
<p>Just because somebody has a right an opinion doesn&#8217;t mean that others don&#8217;t have the right to call them on it.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130681</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the heading to this thread should have been &quot;When liberals are exposed as illiberals&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the heading to this thread should have been &#8220;When liberals are exposed as illiberals&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130680</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 20:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems to be a bit of anti white american girl feeling around... 

Bigotry and prejudice floating to the surface...

Personally I have no problem - they have provided many many years of tele candy to rest my weary eyes on at the end of the working daze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems to be a bit of anti white american girl feeling around&#8230; </p>
<p>Bigotry and prejudice floating to the surface&#8230;</p>
<p>Personally I have no problem &#8211; they have provided many many years of tele candy to rest my weary eyes on at the end of the working daze.</p>
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		<title>By: sheesh</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130669</link>
		<dc:creator>sheesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;[deleted]
[lprent: Just banned you on another thread]&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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[lprent: Just banned you on another thread]</strong></p>
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		<title>By: infused</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/when-liberals-beomce-illiberal/comment-page-1/#comment-130668</link>
		<dc:creator>infused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, nice typo there by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, nice typo there by me.</p>
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