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Who wants some Genesis shares?

Written By: - Date published: 7:20 am, November 21st, 2013 - 120 comments
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So, Mum and Dad Kiwi, you listened to the multi-million dollar ad campaigns and the years of propaganda from National, and you bought shares in one of their asset sales. How are you doing so far?

Don’t listen to English, who claims you haven’t lost anything unless you’ve cashed up – that’s the same as saying your house or your Kiwisaver isn’t worth anything until you sell or draw down, and it’s not how English accounts for the value of shares on the government’s books.

Let’s look at your losses.

Mighty River:

You bought at: $2.50 per share
Average retail purchase: $8,220 (3,288 shares)
Dividends received: 7.2 cents per share, $236 for average retail shareholder
Change in share value: -40 cents per share, $1,315 for average retail shareholder
Net loss: $1,084 for average retail shareholder, $5 each day since listing

Meridian:

You bought at: $1 per installment receipt
Average retail purchase: $16,000 (can’t find exact)
Dividends received: $0
Change in share value: 0 cents
Net loss: $0, $0 each day since listing

Air New Zealand:

You bought at: $1.65
Average retail purchase: Nobody knows
Dividends received: $0
Change in share value: -8.5 cents per share, $510 per $10,000 of shares
Net loss: -$510 per $10,000 of shares, -$510 each day since listing

So, who wants to buy some shares in Genesis?

120 comments on “Who wants some Genesis shares?”

  1. amirite 1

    Mum and Dad Richwhite can’t get enough of them. They want moar! Because they know who’ll pay for the losses.
    Mum and Dad True Kiwi are just struggling to survive till the next paycheck and watching helplessly as the country is being sold cheaply to the 1%.

  2. chris73 2

    I’m quite pleased so far, because the dividends I’ve received thus far is more then what I’d receive from the bank in interest so I’m better off

    and I follow Warren Buffets rules on investing which include running from air lines as fast as you can not that you can compare Air NZ to power companies of course (but then you already knew that)

    [chris73… ummm, so you’re saying that you’ve bought Mighty River shares and you feel it’s gone well?

    You say you got more in dividends than you would have from interest in the bank… would you have lost some of your principal investment if you had put the money in the bank? No. You have with MRP.

    Honestly, you cannot just ignore the change in the value of your shares. That’s insane. It’s not how the government or any company or any sane household accounts for their non-cash financial assets. What do you do? Just write off the cash you put into buying the shares and count any money you get when you sell them as a windfall? JH]

    • Lanthanide 2.1

      “You say you got more in dividends than you would have from interest in the bank… would you have lost some of your principal investment if you had put the money in the bank? No. You have with MRP.”

      Not really. You only lose your principal investment if you sell the shares.

      • Lightly 2.1.1

        No, that’s moronic. Cash isn’t the only store of money, it’s just the most liquid.

        How much is your house worth? Nothing? That’s what you must believe its worth if you don’t account for the value of your non-cash assets and changes in those values.

        • Lanthanide 2.1.1.1

          My house might be worth nothing but I still own it.

          You only lose the investment in your house if you sell it (or it’s destroyed in some manner, I guess).

        • Francis 2.1.1.2

          My house provides a roof over my head. Why should I give a crap what some real estate agent promises to give me for it?

          I value having a roof over my head far more than a couple of ones and zeros on some massive server in Australia.

          The sooner people start viewing their homes as places to live in rather than a dollar value, the better…

      • toad 2.1.2

        I’m sure the people with properties in red-zoned Christchurch areas really appreciate that argument [/sarcasm]

    • Draco T Bastard 2.2

      chris73 is correct, he gets the benefit of being a parasite on the rest of us for the rest of his life. A pretty good deal for him as he now gets an income from not having to work.

    • chris73 2.3

      Well yes I can because I havent sold any shares and I won’t be selling any shares in the future so the price of shares is of little interest to me

      Would I like them to go up, sure, but I ain’t bovvered that they’re not

      I know you want to push the line that this is bad for investors and I commend you for that but that truth of the matter is I’m getting more in dividends then I would be with the money in the bank

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 2.3.1

        The “investors” were those who paid to build these utilities. You people are parasites. How does your “investment” add value to the company? Will it increase the number of customers? Or the water in the dams?

        Pfft.

        • BM 2.3.1.1

          It frees up money which then can be used in other important projects such as highway construction.

          • Draco T Bastard 2.3.1.1.1

            Actually, no it doesn’t. It actually removes money from the government to do those things because it no longer has the ongoing income to do them.

      • rhinocrates 2.3.2

        So chris73, how many elderly women have swooned over your penis lately? You like to tell us how much they admire it.

  3. tricledrown 3

    C73 when the fed slows its printing press you loose even morre.
    Cut off your pinokeynose to spite your face.
    It goes to show how shallow the
    Hollow men are.
    C73 you are a victim of your own ignorance can’t recognise fact from reality get some help before you loose anymore money haven’t you heard the stockmarket is a casino gamblaholics anonamous.
    Next you will be telling us the money you lost at the casino is a good investment because the National party said so.

  4. Peter 4

    OK, so who can rap this all up in and 10 second TV1 sound bite that brings in the swing voters not the converted?

    • Tat Loo (CV) 4.1

      “National’s asset sales: a bad deal for NZ, a bad deal for you, a bad deal from John Key.”

  5. wyndham 5

    On top of all that, didn’t Mum and Dad Kiwi own the assets in the first place ? Before they were ‘sold’ back to themselves ?

    Asset sales will go down in NZ history as one one the biggest political confidence tricks ever perpetrated upon a gullible public. From a snake oil trickster without moral principle.

  6. T 6

    Based on the numbers above, the average investor in MRP made a 2.9% return on their investment from the dividend. That is around the same as the current term deposit rate. Those investors would make the $1000 loss only if they chose to exit.

    MRP has declared an increased dividend for the past three years, and there is no reason to expect that this will change, so those investors are likely to keep getting a return on their invested funds at a rate higher than in the bank.

    If they were in it for a capital gain, then , I agree they will get stung. But I have been led to believe that capital gains are evil, right?

    • Tat Loo (CV) 6.1

      “MRP has declared an increased dividend for the past three years, and there is no reason to expect that this will change”

      Never heard of NZ Power, silly billy.

      Anyhow, why do you think that returns similar to a “term deposit rate” are satisfactory, when term deposits have a much lower risk profile than share investing? Same return for more risk…is that your investment philosophy?

      • T 6.1.1

        In regards to term deposits, that 3% figure based on a TD is a proxy to represent opportunity cost – the minimum forgone opportunity by having funds tied up in one particular use. I make no comment on the risk/return equation, what I am saying is that currently the investment is not losing money compared to a given alternative use.

        In in regard to the dividends I guess you are right. If that the case and NZ Power stops dividends, the majority shareholder is really going to lose some income when the dividends stop coming…. oh wait…

        • Tat Loo (CV) 6.1.1.1

          So you refuse to comment on the increased risk profile. I presume your politics prefers the Govt extracting lower taxes…so why do you have a problem with the government extracting less profit from the private sector?

        • you_fool 6.1.1.2

          “In in regard to the dividends I guess you are right. If that the case and NZ Power stops dividends, the majority shareholder is really going to lose some income when the dividends stop coming…. oh wait…”

          Of course that majority shareholder will supplement that lost income from another source, and kiwi mum and dads will have lower costs, which will supplement their loss in income, assuming of course the minority shareholders are all kiwi mum and dad’s, like John Key said they would be….

          Sounds cost neutral to me!

    • Naturesong 6.2

      You know they are borrowing to pay those dividends right?

    • Lightly 6.3

      you’re ignoring the loss in the value of the shares.

      Let’s put it in terms you can understand:

      Joe Stoner spends a $1000 buying some plants from his mate. He sells some weed for $29 – a 2.9% return on his investment. Unfortunately, a blight destroys 16% of his plants, so he could only onsell the plants he has left for $840.

      Joe started with $1,000. He now has $840 of plants and $29 cash left. He is down $131.

      At least, that’s the logcal way to look at it.

      The way you want to look at it is: Joe’s $1,000 of wealth disappears into thin air when he buys the plants, the plants have no value (until you sell them) and any cash he makes from selling weed is the only thing he needs to worry about – not the fact that he’s lost 16% of his investment.

      • T 6.3.1

        Correct, I am ignoring the loss in value of the shares.

        Your analogy is a bit wrong here because the $1000 investment is going into a commodity, where the value is the commodity itself, and can only generate a return if sold. The dak istelf cannot generate a return any other way.

        But if Joe brought a tractor to help him tend to his dak, then the tractor can generate an income on its own (he lends it to his neighbour for a fee). He could sell the tractor (to make a capital gain), but his stoner mate crashed it into a tree and its now a bit bent and only worth half of what he paid. But that doesn’t affect its utility – he can still generate a return off it even though it has a greatly reduced market vale.

        • Naturesong 6.3.1.1

          In your analagy the stoner mate crashing it into the tree would represent the company value being harvested by reducing maintenance, or stripping assets whicle still demanding the same rental on a reduced service?

          The reduced value of the tractor when you tried to sell it would be the your local farmers (the “market”) knowing that you skimped on maintenance / drove your tractor into ditches occasionally etc …?

          Also, it’s now second hand, and they’re not going to want to pay sticker price.

          Neither of these are good analogies

          • infused 6.3.1.1.1

            Love how you guys twit everything. Bit like CV. Wonders why no one bothers replying to him.

            This post is stupid and shows how retarded some people are on this site.

        • Lightly 6.3.1.2

          when you sit down to work out your household accounts (even if you don’t do that, let’s pretend you do), what do you book the value of your shares at?

          The issue price? Maybe just ‘?’?

          Does the same rule of not accounting for changes in share value apply if they go up?

          How can you make rational decisions on the allocation of your investments if you don’t accurately account for the value of those investments?

          • you_fool 6.3.1.2.1

            Don’t worry, you only not count the value of shares if they went down, if the value had risen then we would be being told how much everyone had made from the purchase of the shares.

            The biggest swindle is the lie that buying the shares at the opening price was a good deal, it is shown to be the worst deal (except for Meridian, since you got a discount and the share price hasn’t changed). Basically anyone who brought MRP or Air NZ shares at opening price is a sucker.

            Basic market play 101 – buy low sell high.

  7. Tat Loo (CV) 7

    Commission. You lose another $40 or so buying/selling to the ticket clipping broker. Someone add that in to the losses please…

  8. rich the other 8

    Proof the NAT’S weren’t looking after their mates after all.

    • Tat Loo (CV) 8.1

      Well actually, who made hundreds of millions from the deals.

      Yes that’s right, the parasitic investment banking and financial markets fraternity.

      • rich the other 8.1.1

        More likely NZ citizens are the biggest winners, it seems they have been well paid for the minority stake that they have sold in these assets.

        • framu 8.1.1.1

          We have shares that have rapidly devalued, cost blowouts (which have mostly gone offshore), windfall contracts for finance industry players, patheticly low up take by the mythical “mum and dad investor”, ongoing and deepening negative impacts from the reduced dividend stream, an abandonment of public oversight on the remaining 51% and a financial result way down on the hype

          its not a success for the govt and its not a success (yet) for those who bought shares

          if thats your idea of success then theres really not much more hope for you

        • Naturesong 8.1.1.2

          And all they’ve given up is the ability to plan and build infrastructure to meet the country’s power needs over the long term.

          They are utilities which are critical to the economic wellbeing of New Zealand.
          The national government has lost every single argument they have put forward in support their position.

          All that’s left now is to make sure they pay for their hubris at the ballot box, and then try to minimise the damage.

      • fappity 8.1.2

        A bit like Westpac who the Nats and Labour have used as the governments bank of choice for IRD payments etc ?

        Who will labour choose when they get in to do this work for them ?

        • framu 8.1.2.1

          thats some PR gold for labour – i doubt many people would be that upset if the govt stopped using an aussie bank to do their business

          it has “proud NZ” stamped all over it and the govt contract would likely produce the extra capital kiwibank needs

          its cost neutral and achieves two good aims

          note: i may have the capital raising thing wrong – happy to be corrected there

          • King Kong 8.1.2.1.1

            Kiwibank can’t handle the business.

            I am pretty sure this has been looked at before and Kiwibank weren’t up to it.

            • framu 8.1.2.1.1.1

              to be honest – i dont know.

              so happy to be corrected. Anyone out there know for sure?

              • Naturesong

                As far as I can tell from the reporting, as they started to define the scope for the tender they realised it was going to turn into an absolute monster. It’s still stuck with MBIE
                No tender document has yet been released

                And yes, in it’s current state, kiwibank is unlikely to have the capacity to handle the volume and complexity. But, thats just a guess. I’m not in the industry.

                edit I see alwyn has the article

        • alwyn 8.1.2.2

          It won’t be Kiwibank, that’s for sure. They are on record that they could not handle the scale of the operation and that the only banks who could are the four big Aussie owned banks.
          http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8825146/Kiwibank-not-after-Govt-business
          Oh well

    • Lightly 8.2

      the lawyers and brokers and ad men and Rio Tinto have made $250m off this so far.

  9. ianmac 9

    To me it is like losing equity on my house. Losing equity on shares seems similar.

    • Naturesong 9.1

      Except you no longer have control over whether or not you can repair your house should it sustain damage.

      Want to build an addition?
      Sorry, can’t do that anymore, rent return is now the most important thing, not whether it is a secure, safe and warm house.

      • you_fool 9.1.1

        The do have a say in it, it is just a say that is proportional to the amount they own, and they need to take everybody’s opinion into account if they do want to make changes, and can’t unduly upset anyone by making the changes, and even if they want it is possible the people that are in charge of making the changes will not want to and will do something else anyway

    • you_fool 9.2

      Actually it is a good analogy, but it is a rental investment not your primary residence. Go ask an accountant how they would value it, though any good financial advice would be to not sell because it would make you worse off, so the people arguing for ignoring the value of the shares are right to an extent, they have made a loss, but for the moment they can live with that if the income stays at least as much as it currently is, if it drops for any reason then it may be time to cut losses.

  10. The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 10

    But I thought they were flogging off valuable assets to their rich mates.

    This makes it sound like they were hoodwinking mum and dads by selling them shit at an undervalue.

    Good assets or bad?

    Wealthy foreigners or poor duped mums and dads?

    • framu 10.1

      1) this has already been answered
      2) mums and dads werent the main purchasers
      3) the people who worked on the process made a killing
      4) energy producing assets are widely recognised as things that will become of increasing strategic importance

      yes the shares decreased in value – but if you have enough resources to buy a lot both on the initial sale and into the future and hold on to them your probably going to do rather well from the deal

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 10.1.1

        You better tell James. He thinks people have been ripped off.

        • framu 10.1.1.1

          you should actually read

          • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 10.1.1.1.1

            I am just trying to get your story straight for you.

            Is this what it is now: National sold the shares so that investment bankers would get rich through the sales process and ripped off New Zealand mum and dad investors in order to do so. As a consequence, the government got more for the assets than they were worth.

            • framu 10.1.1.1.1.1

              why? theres no need for you to get my story straight for me as ive already made my position pretty damn clear across a number of comments.

              So stop putting words in my mouth and do some bloody reading

              ——————-
              We have shares that have rapidly devalued, cost blowouts (which have mostly gone offshore), windfall contracts for finance industry players, patheticly low up take by the mythical “mum and dad investor”, ongoing and deepening negative impacts from the reduced dividend stream, an abandonment of public oversight on the remaining 51% and a financial result way down on the hype

              its not a success for the govt and its not a success (yet) for those who bought shares
              ———————

              Like i said – you should acutally read

              • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                I will read your comments carefully when you learn to punctuate properly.

                We have shares that have rapidly devalued

                So the government sold its shares just in time. Mint.

                patheticly [sic] low up take by the mythical “mum and dad investor”

                The point of James’ post is that mums and dads have been ripped off. Not a problem, you reckon? Or is James concerned that institutional investors have been ripped off? Good luck with that meme.

                ongoing and deepening negative impacts from the reduced dividend stream

                But, the opposition’s plan for these assets is that they generate no return at all. Did I miss your criticism of that? Or are the deep negative impacts of the reduced dividend stream somehow not a problem in that scenario?

                an abandonment of public oversight on the remaining 51%

                What on earth are you on about?

                a financial result way down on the hype

                And what, exactly, would you have been saying if they shares had risen in value after sale? That the crown had been ripped off? The assets sold cheap to the government’s rich mates at an undervalue? Unfortunately for you that’s a better story than the one you’re trying to sell now.

                • framu

                  “I am just trying to get your story straight for you.”

                  “The point of James’ post”

                  exactly which story are you on about?

                  your going on and on about MY story in one comment then going on and on about JAMES’ story in the next

                  which is it?!

                  Your point by point bit only shows that you have comprehension issues – vast comprehension issues. You cant seem to remember whos saying what, what something refers to or even if two things are related.

                  EG – “a financial result way down on the hype” – i would have thought that seeing as ive already mentioned share value that im talking about the amounts generated by the sale are nowhere close to what the govt claimed they would raise.

                  so the shares were sold at too high a price and even then they still didnt live up to the hype. What a spectacular friken success!
                  From that aspect alone its a tragic failure. And yes, if the share price had gone up that would also be an indication of failure because the whole thing is driven by ideology and not sound economic rationale. Two opposite things can still both be shit

                  my whole point is that when you add ALL the items i mentioned together its not a success, not even a tiny little bit
                  And frankly i will punctuate badly all i damn well please. Your not my mum and last time i checked no one has to listen to the grammar pedants

                  • BM

                    Face it, you got destroyed.

                    • framu

                      considering ol barrel has failed to answer a single point ive made i dont quite see that

                      could you explain just how i got destroyed?

                      go on, im waiting

                  • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell

                    You mean: “you’re not my mum.”

                    • framu

                      you mean “i dont have anything else to nit pick over”

                      its telling that your failing to address anything ive put to you and your focusing on an apostrophe instead

                      well done! qaulity effort!

                      OOhh lOOk – pooR puncTuationz! -

    • Tat Loo (CV) 10.2

      Key’s investment banking mates already made a shit load. And when you go to sell your money losing shares they’ll make off the commission too. See how the parasitic financial sector works?

      • King Kong 10.2.1

        Just like those guys who peddle alternative healing techniques that don’t work to vulnerable people in real pain.

        Actually your choice of political ideology fits perfectly with your job.

        [lprent: Ok that is pure diversion that has nothing to do with the topic or the comment you are responding to. Looking through your comments today I can see just one that is vaguely on topic. All of the others seem to have been put in purely as a derail.

        Enough with the warnings. Banned permanently. ]

        • framu 10.2.1.1

          i would say that those peddlers are roundly despised across the board. Its not a left right thing

          so not that good an analogy perhaps?

          • King Kong 10.2.1.1.1

            I think you may have missed the fact that this is what Tat does as a profession and still has the lack of self awareness to call bankers parasites.

            • framu 10.2.1.1.1.1

              quite possibly – i have no idea what tat does

              • Naturesong

                Chiropractor, hardly “alternative” healing. It’s not homeopathy – apologies to those that believe homeopathy actually works (placebo effect as far as I can see)

                Chiropractors have helped me in the past, and one I used to see in Sydney was a particularly gifted healer.

                These days I see an osteopath, as I’ve met a few chiropractors who really weren’t up to scratch.

                • framu

                  thanks nature – i suspected a case of definition shift might have been in play

                  see – i was thinking of homeopathy when the term alternative healing was used

                • Colonial Viper

                  Naturesong :)

                  Rack, stack, crack, I’m a beef stamper extraordinaire :D

  11. King Kong 11

    Did you know that if you had bought Microsoft shares when they listed in May 1986 and looked at their value on October 1, 5 months later, you would have been horrified to find that the stock price was down 18% and of course would have written the float off as an abject failure.

    In comparison to Mighty River, if you had bought $8220 of stock you would have lost about $1480 with Microsoft.

    What I am trying to establish is the absolute dick headishness of picking an arbitrary date on which to announce the float of a company as a success or failure.

    The only people affected by the dip in price is those who entered with an investment strategy of short term speculation and I thought you chaps hated those guys.

    These companies have pretty sound fundamentals and barring the Greens fucking up the market with their school boy plans, they will do pretty well.

    I personally have just scooped up a load of MRP at the low. Cracking buy with 7-9% dividend.

    Lets talk about share prices after the election next year when the chance of Green fuckwits at the helm has been put to bed for another 3 years.

    • framu 11.1

      the measure of success or failure isnt about the share price in isolation though is it. So while your point about arbitrary dates is correct in and of itself, its woefully simplistic and narrow when looking at the entire scheme and its good or bad effects

      We have shares that have rapidly devalued, cost blowouts (which have mostly gone offshore), windfall contracts for finance industry players, patheticly low up take by the mythical “mum and dad investor”, ongoing and deepening negative impacts from the reduced dividend stream, an abandonment of public oversight on the remaining 51% and a financial result way down on the hype

      do you call that success? – for anyone?

    • Naturesong 11.2

      Because a volitile tech company trying to create a new market for itself is the same as a utility which gets monopoly rents?

      I don’t think you should give advice on the share market. You clearly have no idea what your talking about.

      Your rise in share value is predicated on power companies being able to fleece the NZ public.

      It’s not a winner politically. Unless you truly belive that the only way to succeed is on the backs of other peoples misery

      The true cost of selling infrastructure that is essential to the economic wellbeing of NZ is not the revenue stream, but the destruction of the ability to plan long term domestic energy policy.

      • King Kong 11.2.1

        Do you know how I know you are a financial illiterate?

        What about if there is an increase in demand? You know, from things like population and economic growth.

        Now that is a scenario that doesn’t fit your left wing fatalism.

        • Naturesong 11.2.1.1

          Do you know how I know you are a financial illiterate?

          From someone that thinks a startup tech company is the same as power company?

          Pivate companies, in seeking to make the most efficient use of supply will delay the construction of power generation, and when they do, will seek to create the cheapest power generation.

          So look for brownouts when demand increases to maximum capacity.

          And when they wish to build new generation, watch them lobby for coal fired plants.

          You really have no idea.

          Left or Right wing.
          I’d settle for a government that wasn’t corrupt and incompetent.
          That used science and evidence in creating policy.
          That governed for the betterment of New Zealand people as a whole, not just a small section.

          Btw, I think the shares were sold under value. But some of the companies worth was destroyed when they were placed on the share market; namely, they used to be accountable to a democratically elected body, so good governance should be of prime concern (though you wouldn’t know it having watched English, Ryall and Key run Solid Energy into the ground)

  12. infused 12

    Maybe, if retards were after short term gains.

    • framu 12.1

      how much do you want to bet that thats exactly what a lot of the new to the share market mum and dad investors (of which there werent that many) thought exactly that?

      considering that getting these new to the share market types to buy was the big sell and one of the main reasons used to justify the sale the share price argument does carry some weight (even though its a dumb position to take when buying shares)

      • infused 12.1.1

        Oh bullshit. Don’t be so nieve.

        • framu 12.1.1.1

          whats bullshit

          1) would you agree that there are some people out there who are staggeringly underinformed on not just financial matters, but the share market specifically?

          2) are you saying that attracting people who had never invested in the share market wasnt one the arguments put forward by national to argue for the sale?

          both of my statements are pretty benign, so quit being being all bitchy about it. Maybe explain yourself instead of chucking one line insults out there

    • Lightly 12.2

      looks like they’re getting short and long term losses.

    • Tracey 12.3

      The people who can get in pre-opening sale orders do make good short term gains if the price spikes immediately after opening. Of course these customers have tens of thousands of shares and much lower brokerage to pay. But average shareholders such as “mum and dad” dont have the opportunity or the lower fees.

  13. Tracey 13

    In my experience people who can only afford a few thousand dollars worth of shares tend to hang onto them for a few years. The brokerage fee means it takes a while for any gain to surpass outlay.

    The people who would already have made money might have bought HUGE lots in the first one and had sells in at opening (which most mums and dads cant achieve) and when the price MRP spiked briefly on day one, they sell them down and take the quick profit.

    I agree that by buying shares you have already lost the use of the money, so provided the shares do actually rise above our original purchase price in due course you have lost nothing but time and the further use of your money.

    As an aside has the government stated where the proceeds for each sale went, to cover their mandate for paying down debt and increasing school and hospital funding?

  14. dv 14

    Contact has returned about 5-6% pa over 13 years

    About bank rate average.

  15. wtl 15

    Of course the change in the Government’s books following the MRP and Meridian sales is also pretty dire:

    MRP was independently valued by Macquarie at $3.74B in 2011. The estimated valuation in the year ending June 2012 was $3.91B. The shares were sold at a $2.50, at the mid-low end of indicative range of $2.35-$2.80. The sale of 49% raised $1.72 billion, which is $200M less than the $1.9B they should have sold for given the valuation.

    Meridian was valued at Macquarie at $6.53B in 2011, with the estimate valuation in June 2012 being $6.58B. The shares were sold at $1.50, at the very bottom of the indicative price of $1.50 to $1.80, raising only $1.88B which is a $1.34B less than the $3.22B expected given the valuation. This was even after the government provided investors with interest-free loans to purchase the shares.

    Note that the amounts are BEFORE sale costs are subtracted, and when these are accounted for it looks even worse.

    • Balanced View 15.1

      …and the valuations were BEFORE the oppositions NZ Power policy was announced. So very difficult to say what impact the share offer had.
      Of course all of this is arbitrary, any reduction in value is not really relevant in any argument the opposition are making.

  16. Rich 16

    Also, 1.5% brokerage commission. And dividends are taxable, with capital losses not available for offset (because capital gains aren’t taxable, if you make any).

    • dv 16.1

      Rich
      (because capital gains aren’t taxable, if you make any).

      Partly wrong.
      Gains and losses are taxable if you trade.

  17. TightyRighty 17

    Can’t wait for the inevitable post combining john keys mates got rich when the share price goes up. This post just demonstrates the economic illiteracy of commentators on the left.

    • Arfamo 17.1

      Can’t wait for the inevitable post combining john keys mates got rich when the share price goes up.

      Speaking of illiteracy, what does that actually mean?

    • framu 17.2

      cant wait for you to actually make an argument

      go on – prove just how economically literate you actually are for a change, instead of slinging poo from the cheap seats

      • TightyRighty 17.2.1

        I make plenty of arguments. see below. the mobile version of this site truly sucks however. old version was way better.

        Still waiting for you to talk some sense rather than regurgitating the poo thrown at you by more intelligent people.

        • One Anonymous Knucklehead 17.2.1.1

          Your assertions of the Left’s economic “illiteracy” (sic), aside from the obvious, make me wonder if you live in New Zealand.

          I can recall how the fifth Labour government was the sky falling on your head and everything, but not everyone lives on Planet TightyRighty.

        • framu 17.2.1.2

          “Still waiting for you to talk some sense”

          seems like im repeating myself

          ———————

          the measure of success or failure isnt about the share price in isolation though is it. So its woefully simplistic and narrow when looking at the entire scheme and its good or bad effects

          We have shares that have rapidly devalued, cost blowouts (which have mostly gone offshore), windfall contracts for finance industry players, patheticly low up take by the mythical “mum and dad investor”, ongoing and deepening negative impacts from the reduced dividend stream, an abandonment of public oversight on the remaining 51% and a financial result way down on the hype

          do you call that success? – for anyone?

          ———————

          does that make enough sense for you? Is it in a format you can understand?

          ooh – your trying to discredit my intelligence. Sure i dont know everything, and im happy to point out the topics where im aware im not fully up to speed. But you mate, make some real clangers so i wouldnt be going around trying to assume some smarter than thou pedastool (yes the misspelling is deliberate)

  18. Tim 18

    As soon as I saw this post, I thought if I delve into it – I could expect the presence of the trolls – sure enough ……
    Actually, I want my 4 – point something or other millionth part of my existing ownership back because I didn’t give my duly elected representative to sell them on my behalf.
    They simply made assumptions, and took them.
    I expect them to be moaning like hell (squealing like pigs being stuffed) either in 2014, but if not 2017. OR maybe as soon as an opposition (you know, that thing that supposedly protects any democracy) sorts its shit out.
    Really what it boils down to though is just how hard a ruling junta wants fall.
    Right now I’m thinking they have the brashness and ego of a Mussolini. Worked out just fine and dandy for him and the missus aye!
    But yea but nah

  19. TightyRighty 19

    Framu, the lowing sound emanating from you reminds of a cow. Hence I get your nickname.

    If ma and pa decided to invest in the stock exchange, and their shares go down, their book value is lower. But that is how the market perceives the value of the shares. Likewise if the market perceives them to be undervalued and starts purchasing them, the value value of the shares increases. The government beat the market in the share valuation at that point in time. Clever government.

    Basically, if you can’t afford to lose, you don’t invest. I don’t like fixed assett companies, so I didn’t invest. But I did just throw $30k into another company that yesterday dropped .81% in value. I’m not crying about it, I bought the shares as I expect them to appreciate in value. Small losses on a day don’t matter. Anyone who bought shares expecting a guaranteed return is an idiot.

    Though I suspect the book value of the mighty river shares when you factor in the present value of the bonus shares is quite different to what James managed to calculate. Intentional or illiterate. Probably a bit of both

    • TightyRighty 19.1

      the end of the second paragraph should read

      “small losses on a day don’t matter, it’s the long term that counts if you aren’t actively trading on a day to day basis. It’s a gamble however, anyone who bought shares expecting a guaranteed return is an idiot, it’s always a gamble.”

      • framu 19.1.1

        but did you notice that im talking about the whole picture and not just the share value in isolation?

        So yeah – try again

  20. Treetop 20

    Who’d want some Genesis shares?

  21. Ad 21

    My wife and I spent a while humming and harrrring about whether to buy and what to buy of the floats, with amongst others a nationalist filter.

    In the end we didn’t . What we did was change banks to Kiwibank, and got an offset mortgage in which the savings keep building but they are offset against the mortgage. The deal is we pay no mortgage interest, and we don’t get much interest either.

    We worked out in short that even with spare savings, our savings money worked hardest when it paid off our mortgage faster.

    Won’t work for all circumstances, but it worked for ours, and we get to enjoy the schednfreude.

  22. Old Tony 22

    You people are sooooo confused. How can it be a fire sale to the 1% when the shares are now worth less than floated? The Government has done fine by the 99% by getting more for the shares than they are worth.

    Are you not impressed by this given you despise the 1% so much? Should you not be celebrating?

    • McFlock 22.1

      Pyrrhic victory, at best.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 22.2

      The Left hates the 1% so much they always get wealthier under Labour governments. Yes they do, which just goes to show that Old Tony may be long in the tooth but, in keeping with the ongoing intellectual degradation of the Right, he’s short on the facts.

      The Left’s goal of a lower GINI benefits everyone, even those who are so poor they can only measure their wealth in money.

  23. National Party MP 23

    OK Here is my cock sucking fucking wanking cums stain CV for some cum satin wankin FuCKING JOb.

    What you want me to do for your company.

    Yeah sure I can do that.

    Wank on your face

    Sweet.

    Kick you in the head?

    No problem

    Drink your Piss?

    Sweet?

    Punch you until you give me your money then lock you at your work and leave?

    COOL

    Can do?

    Your a cock sucker for even reading this CV so suck my cock.

    Best skill sets,

    wanking.

    5 years of wank study under a wanker

    2 years waking behind a door.

    INterests listning to cock suckin Politicans suck my cock and wwacking on their head.

    Music.

    Fuck off you cock

    Wages wanted shit loads. I will just write a number down each week and you pay it and say sorry for not een paying it yet.

    [lprent: Don't know who this is or how it got through first time moderation. But there are quite a number of reply comments on it. As karol says leave it as an example of what usually doesn't make it through first time moderation. In the meantime I'll auto-spam the author (whoever you are). ]

  24. Ian 24

    I like a good bet and am now the proud owner of a very small part of Mighty River Power and Meridian energy. I am totally unconcerned about the current share price of both companies as I’m a long term investor and I am fully aware of the negative influence of the Labour /Green movement and how their scaremongering is pushing down the share price. When John Key Gets elected for his 3 rd term as the prime minister of NZ,those shares will jump by at least 20 % . But seriously ,I like the fact that both companies produce sustainable,renewable energy and actually owning part of a hydro and geothermal electricity company makes me feel so green.

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    In 2010, NIWA found Canterbury’s Te Waihora/Lake Ellesmere had the worst nutrient status of 140 lakes around New Zealand that it measured. In 2011, the National Government committed to spending $15 million across the country through the Fresh Start for...
    Greens | 08-10
  • Adding value not herbicides
    The HT swedes, and other brassicas, might seem like a good idea to farmers struggling against weeds but like the GE road, is this the path we want our agriculture to be treading? The Federated Farmers President, Dr William Rolleston...
    Greens | 07-10
  • ‘Blame the Planner’ bizarre approach to child poverty
    The National Government is stooping to a bizarre new low in blaming "planning processes" for poverty and inequality, after spending six years doing nothing about either the housing market or child poverty, the Green Party said today. Finance Minister Bill...
    Greens | 07-10
  • Media Advisory
    MANA Leader, Hone Harawira will not be available to speak with media today regarding his release “Recount Just One Step To restoring Credibility”. He is however available for media comment tomorrow, Tuesday the 8th of October, all media arrangements are...
    Mana | 07-10
  • RECOUNT JUST ONE STEP TO RESTORING CREDIBILITY
    “I have applied for a judicial recount of the votes in the Tai Tokerau election because it is one step in trying to restore credibility to the electoral process in the north, and, I suspect, in all other Maori electorates...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA SEEKS TAI TOKERAU RECOUNT
    The MANA Movement is supporting Leader Hone Harawira’s application for a judicial re-count in the Te Tai Tokerau electorate for the 2014 general election. President Lisa McNab says there are a number of serious issues of concern regarding the ability...
    Mana | 07-10
  • MANA to fight mass privatisation of state housing
    Announcements over the past 12 hours from the Minister responsible for Housing New Zealand, Bill English, and Minister for Social Housing, Paula Bennett, make clear the government’s intention for the mass privatisation of state housing. This comes during the middle...
    Mana | 07-10
  • Journalists have right to protect sources
    Legal authorities must respect the right of journalist Nicky Hager to protect the source of his material for his Dirty Politics book under Section 68 of the Evidence Act, Acting Labour Leader David Parker says. “It is crucial in an...
    Labour | 06-10
  • It shouldn’t take the Army to house the homeless
    National’s move to speed up its state house sell-off shows it is bankrupt of new ideas, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford. “National has been in office for six years, yet the housing crisis has got worse every month and...
    Labour | 06-10
  • Government must lift social housing supply, not shuffle the deck chairs
    National's decision to shift the state provision of housing to third parties is a smokescreen for the Government decreasing the provision of affordable housing, the Green Party said today."What National should be doing is increasing the supply of both social...
    Greens | 06-10
  • Election 2014 – the final count
    While we have to wait for the final booth level counts we can now see how well we did in the specials and look at electorate level data. First off special votes (and disallowed/recounted votes etc). There was a change...
    Greens | 06-10
  • We need more houses, not Ministers
    The Government’s decision to have three housing Ministers will create a dog’s breakfast of the portfolio and doesn’t bode well for fixing the country’s housing crisis, Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford says. “New Zealanders need more houses, not more Ministers....
    Labour | 05-10
  • MANA’S CHALLENGE TO THE 51st PARLIAMENT
    Ten years ago I led 50,000 Maori on the historic FORESHORE AND SEABED MARCH from Te Rerenga Wairua to the very steps of this parliament, in a march against the greatest land grab in the history of this country –...
    Mana | 03-10
  • Is this really necessary?
    No one denies chief executives should be well paid for their skills and experience, but it is the efforts of all employees which contribute to company profits, Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker says. “Salaries paid to chief executives come at...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Lyttelton Port workers also deserve pay rises
    Hard slog by Lyttelton Port workers contributed to strong financial growth for the company and they deserve to be rewarded for their work as much as its chief executive, says Labour’s Acting Leader David Parker. “Lyttelton Port chief executive Peter...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Māori Party must seek guarantees on Māori seats
    Labour is calling on the Māori Party to ensure protection of the Māori seats is part of its coalition deal with National which is being considering this weekend, Labour’s Māori Affairs spokesperson Nanaia Mahuta says. “For the third consecutive term,...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Donaghys job losses another blow to Dunedin
    The loss of 30 jobs from Donaghys rope and twine factory is yet another blow to the people and economy of Dunedin, says Dunedin South Labour MP Clare Curran. “Donaghys was founded in 1876; the company has survived two world...
    Labour | 02-10
  • Dairy price fall shows urgent need to diversify
    The overnight drop in milk prices shows New Zealand’s overreliance on the dairy industry puts our economy in a vulnerable position, says Acting Labour Leader David Parker. “Dairy prices fell 7.3 per cent overnight and have almost halved since February....
    Labour | 02-10
  • Tasks aplenty for new Health Minister
    One of the first jobs for the new Minister of Health must be to provide an honest and transparent report into surgery waiting times and exactly how many Kiwis are not having their health needs met, Labour’s Health spokesperson Annette...
    Labour | 02-10
  • OIA protocols and official advice ignored to hide Child Poverty
    It might not seem so now, but child poverty was a major election issue. What a pity we did not have the full debate. In that debate it would have been very helpful to have seen the Ministry of Social...
    The Daily Blog | 20-10
  • Previewing the 4 candidates for Leader of the Labour Party
    The extraordinary outbursts by Shearer last week highlights just how toxic that Caucus is. Shearer was on every major media platform as the ABC attack dog tearing into Cunliffe in the hope of diminishing Cunliffe’s support of Little by tearing...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – the sudden explosion of ‘left’ blogs
    Time to Teach or more people will suffer from P.A.I.D. Political And Intellectual Dysmorphia.I was on the Twitter and a guy followed me so of course I did the polite thing and followed him back. He wrote a blog so...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Ego vs Eco
    Ego vs Eco...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • We can’t let the Roastbuster case slip away
    Those of us (like me) left with hope that the police would aggressively follow through on the large amount of evidence on offer to them (let’s not forget they forgot they even had some at one point) in the Roastbusters...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Food, shelter and medicine instead of bombs and bullets
    The on-going conflict across the Middle East – due in large part to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq – has created another humanitarian crisis of biblical proportion. The essentials of life are desperately needed in Iraq and Syria...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • The politics of electorate accommodations
    National’s electorate accommodations with ACT and United Future were a big factor in it winning re-election. Interestingly, there is another electorate accommodation scenario whereby the centre-left could have come out on top, even with the same distribution of party votes....
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Why you should join the TPPA Action on 8 November
    On 8 November 2014, thousands of Kiwis will take part in the International Day of Action to protest the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA). The rally cry for us is TPPA – Corporate Trap, Kiwis Fight Back. Why should you join...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • GUEST BLOG – Patrick O’Dea: no new coal mines
    Green Party and Mana Party policy is “NO NEW COAL MINES!” Auckland Coal Action is trying to put this policy into action on the ground. ACA after a hard fought two year campaign waged alongside local residents and Iwi, in...
    The Daily Blog | 19-10
  • Comparing Police action – Hager raid vs Roast Buster case
    This satire had the NZ Police contact TDB and threaten us with 6months in prison for using their logo.   The plight of Nicky Hager and the draconian Police actions against him has generated over  $53 000 in donations so...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Malala Yousafzai, White Saviour Complexes and Local Resistance
    Last week, Malala Yousafzai was the co-recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. Since her exposure to the worldwide spotlight, her spirit, wisdom and strength have touched the hearts of people everywhere. However, there have been cynics who have argued that...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • Jason Ede is back – but no media can interview him?
    Well, well, well. Jason Ede, the main figure connected to John Key’s office and the Dirty Politics black ops is back with a company with deep ties to the National Party. One thing you can say about the right –...
    The Daily Blog | 18-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Leadership Transitions In Other Parties: A ...
    As cannot have escaped anyone’s attention by now, the country is presently in the grips of an election and campaign that will help determine the fate of the nation for years to come. It’s gripping stuff – with clear divides...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • SkyCity worker says she faces losing her house
    SkyCity worker Carolyn Alpine told the company annual shareholder’s meeting today that she faced the prospect of losing her house because the company had cut her shifts from two a week to one without consultation. The solo mother, has worked...
    The Daily Blog | 17-10
  • Greg O’Connor’s latest push to arm cops & 5 reasons not to
    I was wondering at what point within a 3rd term of National that Police Cheerleader Greg O’Connor would start trying to demand cops be armed. O’Connor must have thought to himself, ‘if bloody Key can get us and the GCSB vast new...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • You can’t have crisis without ISIS
    So the new scary bogeyman ISIS might have chemical weapons that the US secretly found in Iraq, but America didn’t want to expose this find because the WMDs were actually built and made by the US and Europe, the two powers...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • NZ WINS UN SPIN THE BOTTLE! Privately sucking up to America for a decade me...
    Oh, we are loved! Little old NZ, the 53rd state of America after Israel and Australia, gets to sit at the adults table for the special dinner party that is the UN Security Council. How delightful, a decade of privately...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • MEDIA BLOG – Myles Thomas – A World Without Advertising
    Non-commercial broadcasting and media. It’s a solution for all manner of problems ailing our tender nation… voter engagement, unaccountable governance, apathy, stupefaction, public education, science in schools, arts appreciation, cultural cringe… But no-one could’ve guessed that non-commercial media might solve...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October
    March against war – 2pm Saturday 25th October...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • Whack a mole as US govt foreign policy
    Whack-A-Mole was a popular arcade game from my youth.  It consisted of a waist high cabinet with holes in the top. Plastic moles seemingly randomly pop out of these holes. The purpose of the game was to hit as many...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • In Paean of Debt
    This week is ‘Money Week’. It’s an opportunity to promote to the middle classes, and anyone else who will listen, the virtues of wise ‘investment’. The aims are to promote the mystical (and indeed mythical) virtues of saving for the...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • The last 48 hours – Poverty denial, war denial and unapologetic abuse of ...
    The bewildering speed of events that simply end in Key shrugging and proclaiming he doesn’t really give a shit is coming think and fast as the Government suddenly appreciate the full spectrum dominance they now enjoy. Here is Radio NZ...
    The Daily Blog | 16-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Pat O’Dea – Mana 2.0 Rebooted
    Internationally the news is that Evo Morales of Bolivia won big with Left Wing policies But what are the chances that the Left will make a resurgence in this country? As the internecine struggles between the Left and the Right...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Blomfield IPCA letter – Has Dirty Politics leaked into the NZ Police ...
    It’s difficult to know what to make of the IPCA letter to Matthew Blomfield over Slater’s continued insistence that the hard drive taken from Matthew wasn’t stolen.  Slater has selectively cherry picked the Police referring back to his claim that Blomfeild perjured...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • ​Media release: Rail and Maritime Transport Union – Auckland move for K...
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union is questioning a KiwiRail proposal to progressively relocate its Zero Harm personnel from Wellington to Auckland. “The purpose of the Zero Harm team is to drive KiwiRail’s performance in health and safety.  Rail is a...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Amnesty International – Friend request from an IS militant
    There’s always that one person, that one Facebook friend, usually a musician or event promoter, who, when you so foolishly accept their friend request, will completely inundate your news feed with copious event invitations and promotions. The person who, despite...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • NZ should follow the UK and recognize the Palestinian state
    Over the past two weeks, the United Kingdom and Sweden have made headlines through their decisions to recognize the state of Palestine. They are hardly the first nations to do so. Indeed, 134 countries have, in various ways, given formal...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • The Discordant Chimes of Freedom: Why Labour has yet to be forgiven.
    WHY DOES THE ELECTORATE routinely punish Labour and the Greens for their alleged “political correctness” but not National? It just doesn’t seem fair. Consider, for example, the Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 – the so-called “anti-smacking legislation” –...
    The Daily Blog | 15-10
  • Hosking or Henry – Which right wing crypto fascist clown do you want to w...
    So Mediaworks are finally going to make some actual money from their eye watering contract with Paul Henry by launching a new multi-platform Breakfast show over TV, Radio and internet. This is great news for Campbell Live who have dodged...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Families need more money to reduce child poverty
    Prime Minister John Key is mistaken to rule out extending the In Work Tax Credit to all poor children (The Nation 11th Oct) and Child Poverty Action Group challenges government advisors to come up with a more cost effective way...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kelly Ellis – Don’t shit on my dream
    Once were dreamers. A large man, walks down the road and, even from 200 yards there’s light showing between his big arms and bigger body. It’s as if he’s put tennis balls under his arms. Two parking wardens walk out...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Labour and ‘special interests’
    The media narrative of Labour is that it is unpopular because it’s controlled by ‘special interests’. This ‘special interests’ garbage is code for gays, Maoris, wimin and unionists. We should show that argument the contempt it deserves. The next Labour...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Ru...
    . . Continued from: Housing; broken promises, families in cars, and ideological idiocy (Part Tahi) . National’s housing development project: ‘Gateway’ to confusion . Perhaps nothing better illustrates National’s lack of a coherent housing programme than the ‘circus’ that is...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • Here’s what WINZ are patronisingly saying to people on welfare when they ...
    Yesterday, a case manager from WINZ called to tell me that I needed to “imagine what I would do if I did not have welfare”. I replied “Well, I guess if I couldn’t live at home, I would be homeless.”...
    The Daily Blog | 14-10
  • David Shearer’s ‘no feminist chicks’ mentality highlights all that is...
    Mr Nasty pays a visit Shearer’s extraordinary outburst last night on NZs favourite redneck TV, The Paul Henry Show, is a reminder of all that is wrong within the Labour Caucus right now… He said the current calls for a female or...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0
    Greenpeace 1 – Shell 0...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – A Tale Of Two Cities
    Sunday was surreal. I went for a drive and ended up in a different country. It wasn’t intentional but those days of too many literally intertextual references seldom are. There is no doubt that the Sunday drive this week had...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Key raises terror threat level to justify war in Iraq and now the SIS need ...
    Have we learned nothing from rushing into war? It’s embarrassing Key has raised our terror threat from ‘very low’ to ‘low’ so he can justify military action in Iraq. Watching him pimp for an American war is as sick as...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Socialism? in France; Austerity in Europe
    On Sunday I stumbled upon this recent New York Times column The Fall of France by Paul Krugman. Then I caught BBC’s Newsnight interview with France’s ‘Socialist’ Prime Minister Manuel Valls. Krugman notes that the Socialists came to power on an anti-austerity mandate, but completely squandered their opportunity...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • So Snowden and Greenwald were right – again – NZ Embassies spying for A...
    Well, well, well. What do we have here… NZ embassies involved in covert intelligence work for US – reportsNew Zealand’s embassies have been involved in covert intelligence gathering work on behalf of the United States, a fresh batch of classified...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • GUEST BLOG: Curwen Rolinson – Why David Parker *isn’t* a credible choic...
    The one electoral contest this year that a Labour leader is sure to win heated up over the weekend with the late entry of Finance Spokesman (and interim caretaker leader) David Parker into Labour’s leadership race. I’d blogged late last...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Fran O’Sullivan’s extraordinary column
    Note how the carefully constructed flow chart above ignores the mainstream media’s complicity with Slater and Dirty Politics    I am no fan of Fran O’Sullivan’s politics and would argue long into the day against her on many of the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Final salute to Cunliffe
    Final salute to Cunliffe...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • David Cunliffe’s statement
    I am today announcing that I have decided not to nominate for the 2014 Labour Party leadership contest. It has been a hard decision to make but it is one that I believe is in the best interests of the...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Cunliffe to quit leadership race – the losers are the Labour Party member...
    That’s all folks   And so ends the first ever Labour Party member/affiliates choice for leadership. David Cunliffe is standing down at 2pm and is supporting Andrew Little instead. What a perverse turn of events. Cunliffe was punished by an angry Labour leadership forced...
    The Daily Blog | 13-10
  • Want to see new Nu Zilind? Read the comments section of Andrea Vance’s co...
    Andrea Vance is no stooge. She is one of the few mainstream media voices who has challenged power and authority, her latest column on the outrageous attempts by Key to use fear mongering to  spook the sleepy hobbits into war...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Humanity calling Government – anyone with empathy home?
    On Friday night groups of Invercargill activists and plain ole people who care took part in the 14 Hours Homeless event – sleeping out in the balmy southern climate on cardboard and couches at our Salvation Army Citadel. It’s a...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Labour, leadership and White blokes
    David Shearer said on TV3’s The Nation this weekend that he appreciated the support Labour’s received from Maori and Pacific communities over the last few elections, but that it was important to again, secure the votes of ordinary white blokes...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Wrong priorities in media coverage of Ebola crisis
    The experts have told us that there is very little likelihood of a serious Ebola outbreak in any Western nation – unless the virus changes so that it can be spread through the air rather than just via bodily fluids....
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • John Key uses the same old warmongering recipe
    Less than three weeks after the election Prime Minister John Key wants New Zealand to join a war in the Middle East and extend the powers of our US-focused spy agencies the SIS (Security Intelligence Service) and the GCSB (Government...
    The Daily Blog | 12-10
  • Speech from the Throne brings welcome focus on children
    Today’s speech from the Throne confirms the Government’s focus on children, youth and their families in the areas of health, education, youth employment, poverty alleviation and Whānau Ora; now the challenge is to ensure every child in New Zealand...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • John’s Job Fairs no fix for unemployment and poverty
    “John Key has clearly been looking to the US for his latest bright idea on dealing with employment issues,” says Auckland Action Against Poverty coordinator Sue Bradford. “Job fairs where the desperately unemployed queue in their corporate best to compete...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Speech From the Throne Foreshadows More Corporate Welfare
    Responding to the Governor General’s Speech from the Throne, which outlined that the Government’s intentions for the next Parliamentary term would include further Business Growth Agenda initiatives, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan...
    Scoop politics | 21-10
  • Green MP to speak at panel on Rainbow Mental Health
    Hamilton, New Zealand: Recently re-elected Green Party MP Jan Logie will be a guest speaker at a panel on the mental health of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Trangender, Takataapui and Intersex people taking place on November 1st as part of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Evidence Supports GE Moratorium
    Federated Farmers spokesman Graham Smith's call for a 'rethink' on release of GeneticallyEngineered organisms is misguided, and instead it is time for a formal moratorium on GMOs in the environment.(1)...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Chatham Rise mining could have impact on whales and dolphins
    Wellington, 21 October 2014--Mining phosphate on the Chatham Rise, off the east coast of New Zealand’s south island, could potentially have many impacts on marine mammals like whales and dolphins, the Environmental Protection Agency was told today....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Council endorses Nanaia Mahuta as the next Labour leader
    Te Kaunihera Māori, the Māori Council of the New Zealand Labour Party, have passed a resolution to endorse the Hon Nanaia Mahuta as the next leader of the Labour Party...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Kaumatua to organise petition to end Maori seats
    Ngapuhi kaumatua David Rankin has announced that he will be organising a nationwide petition to seek support from Maori voters to end the Maori seats. “These seats are patronising”, he says. “They imply we need a special status, and that...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Announcing a New Voice for The Left
    Josh Forman is pleased to announce the creation of a new force on the Left of politics in New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Public services held back by poor workplace culture
    A new report by Victoria University’s Centre for Labour, Employment and Work shows that public servants are working significant unpaid overtime to ensure the public services New Zealanders value are able to continue....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • iPredict New Zealand Weekly Economic & Political Update
    Andrew Little’s probability of being the next leader of the Labour Party has reached 70% and Jacinda Ardern is favourite to become his deputy, according to the combined wisdom of the 8000+ registered traders on New Zealand’s predictions market, iPredict....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Prison Drug Treatment Unit marks a milestone
    Christchurch Men’s Prison’s Drug Treatment Unit (DTU) celebrated the completion of its 50th six month Drug and Alcohol Programme today, with the graduation of a further twelve offenders....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Security Council seat a chance for NZ to empower women
    The UN Women National Committee Aotearoa New Zealand (UN Women NCANZ) welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the United Nations Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use its position to proactively promote effective implementation of the...
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Waipareira and ACC sign Partnership
    Waipareira and The Accident Compensation Corporation (ACC) have signed a Memorandum of Understanding at Whanau Centre, Henderson – marking a special day for the West Auckland Urban Maori organisation....
    Scoop politics | 20-10
  • Humanitarian aid desperately needed in Iraq and Syria
    Global Peace and Justice Auckland is calling on the government to provide humanitarian funding for non-aligned NGOs (non-governmental organisations) in the Middle East rather than give any support whatever for the US-led military campaign in the area....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Court Judicial Decision: Dotcom v The USA: 17 October 2014
    The United States of America is seeking the extradition of Messrs Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and Van Der Kolk. The matter has been before the Courts on numerous occasions, and no further recitation of the facts is needed....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Marshall Island poet speaks at UN climate summit
    “The fossil fuel industry is the biggest threat to our very existence as Pacific Islanders. We stand to lose our homes, our communities and our culture. But we are fighting back. This coming Friday thirty Pacific Climate Warriors, joined by...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Many tourist car accidents preventable
    Simple steps could dramatically reduce the number of accidents involving tourists, says the car review website dogandlemon.com ....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • RainbowYOUTH: 25 Years, 25 More
    In 1989, a group of young people in Auckland got together to form a support group for LGBTIQ youth. They called it Auckland Lesbian And Gay Youth (ALGY). After 25 years, several location changes, a name change, a brand reboot...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Outdated Oath shows need for Kiwi Head of State
    MPs are sworn in today and New Zealand Republic has written to MPs asking them to talk about why 121 New Zealanders elected by the people of New Zealand and standing in the New Zealand Parliament swear allegiance to another...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Council shouldn’t revenue grab from windfall valuations
    Auckland Council should state clearly they will not try and capture revenue as a result of the latest valuations and needs reminding that the City’s skyrocketing property values doesn’t change the level or cost of Council’s services, says...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • EPMU endorses Andrew Little for Labour leadership
    The National Executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union unanimously endorsed Andrew Little for the role of Labour leader, at a meeting held yesterday. “I have been speaking to our workplace delegates at forums across the country over...
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • World Food Day promotes Agroecology not GE technology
    The UN has stated that agroecology is a major solution to feeding the world and caring for the earth....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Labour Names Review Team
    Labour’s New Zealand Council has appointed Bryan Gould as Convenor of its post-General Election Review. He will be joined on the Review Team by Hon Margaret Wilson, Stacey Morrison and Brian Corban....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • Contenders for Labour leadership debate for first time
    The contenders for the leadership of the Labour Party debated for the first time on TV One’s Q+A programme today....
    Scoop politics | 19-10
  • UN Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme
    New Zealand's United Nations Ambassador Jim McLay on TV One’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • The Nation: RSA President BJ Clark & Ian Taylor, New NZ Flag
    Lisa Owen interviews RSA President BJ Clark and tech innovator Ian Taylor about changing the NZ flag...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully
    Murray McCully says New Zealanders can expect a 5-10 year engagement against Islamic State if we join military action in Iraq and the government will take that “very carefully into account”...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • Lisa Owen interviews Julia Gillard
    Julia Gillard says there is “sufficient evidence” to fight Islamic State and does not think it will increase the risk of a domestic attack...
    Scoop politics | 18-10
  • NZ businesses to make child abuse a priority conversation
    Many leading New Zealand businesses have partnered with national child advocacy organisation Child Matters to participate in the fourth annual ‘Buddy Day’ - New Zealand’s only child abuse prevention awareness day....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Tribunal decision significant for SMEs
    The Human Rights Review Tribunal decided this week in favour of an employee’s right not to work on Saturdays for religious reasons. The decision may still be appealed but the Director of the Office of Human Rights Proceedings, Robert Kee,...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • On The Nation this weekend
    This weekend on The Nation… New Zealand has been elected to the United Nations Security Council, but what happens next? Lisa Owen interviews Foreign Minister Murray McCully from New York about our goals for reform, what America wants from us...
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • 1000+ supported by Te Arawa Whanau Ora
    Over 1000 individual whānau members are leading happier, healthier, more successful lives as a result of eight passionate and committed Māori organisations working at the coalface to help whānau find success....
    Scoop politics | 17-10
  • Nomination for Board Members Now Open
    CRF’s objective is to create opportunities for people from refugee backgrounds to lead fulfilling lives and contribute to every area of New Zealand society. It is an organisation that undertakes advocacy work using the strengths-based approach,...
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Anglican Family Care Otago staff to take industrial action
    Social workers, family workers and support staff working for Anglican Family Care in Dunedin and South Otago will take industrial action after their employer refused a pay increase that would keep up with the rising cost of living....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Use UN Security Council role to overcome inaction and injust
    Amnesty International welcomes New Zealand winning a seat on the UN Security Council and is calling on New Zealand to use the role to ensure the body lives up to its role of safeguarding global peace and security....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Grisham’s ‘child porn’ comments ignorant
    World-renowned author John Grisham has come under fire by advocacy group Stop Demand Foundation, for comments it says trivialises the global child sex abuse trade....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • Latest leak of TPPA intellectual property text confirms risk
    On the eve of the latest (non)round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) yet another version of the intellectual property has found its way to Wikileaks ....
    Scoop politics | 16-10
  • New Zealand awarded UN Security Council seat
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