Written By: - Date published: 3:22 pm, January 30th, 2008 - 69 comments
Categories: crime -
Tags: boot camp, crime, john key
The Army has said it doesn’t want to run National’s boot camps – they prefer to train people who actually want to be there. So the question now is who do they plan to get to do it? They’re not saying much at the moment, but Key’s new policy does leave the door open for the Tories’ other pet project: private prisons. Surely the same outfits must be in the running to operate John’s bootcamps?
The firm the last National government contracted to run private prisons in NZ was none other than the infamous Wackenhut, although they’ve since changed their name to GEO Group, so damaged is their reputation.
Especially for young people, Wackenhut has become a byword for inmate abuse including high profile stories of rape and brutalisation of young people.
Wackenhut CEO George Zoley said after a CBS Television report exposed the repeated rape of a 14-year-old girl at a Wackenhut juvenile jail and two guards were found guilty, ‘It’s a tough business. The people in prison are not Sunday-school children.’
John hasn’t told us yet who he plans to put in charge of his boot camps, but I think it’s time he started giving us some answers.
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The army do what the govt of the day tells them to do….
They may have to under Key, but I doubt they’ll have much success:
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2008/01/boot-camps-dont-work_29.html
John will probably have to go the way of the private sector if he doesn’t want to ruin the army’s successful voluntary schemes and risk the political fallout. I doubt he’ll need much pushing to do so.
I hope that dog in the picture has been micro-chipped, charged with assault on a human being and has bail refused? Dog pound boy!
This case could be heard on the same day that Jimmy Mason flicked his preschool children’s ears.A preventive measure – so they spill onto to the road on their new bicycles that dad brought them for Christmas.
Forget the boot camps beacuse men go straight to jail and do not collect $200 when passing go.
Give it a boot Robbie and come on Australia.
Like go to Iraq or maybe Iran ?
lawyer dude, you’re Dad, aren’t you?
If you read the speech JK did not say the army would be doing anything. He only said they “may” be part of a programme – not will or must.
“These programmes will be run by specialist providers with a proven track record of getting troubled young people back on the straight and narrow. The Army may work with others to provide these programmes. “
Billy don’t be a hero,don’t be a fool with your life,lala,no I am not dad whoever he is? My dad was shot in desert storm.
As if further evidence was required…
a bit like the IRD saying they are too busy to administer the enforced welfare of WFF payments.
Circumstantial or factual evidence Billy the kid?
On morning report and the news last night, the organisers of current programmes (some based at army camps but not run by the army) designed to help youths in danger of slipping into crime or welfare dependenency said “yes our programmes work but onyl because they are voluntary, we’re not designed to take serious violent offenders, and the courses would fail if you forced such people to attend”
Billy I think people are just ignoring him. I like to see his as some strange kind of dadaist accent or lacuna.
Robinsod nice descriptive language.Have you thought about doing a law degree? I was in the army and I enjoyed boot camp with other soldiers.
I think TVNZ or TV3 could run the boot camps and treat it as a reality TV show (a la Bad Lads Army, a hilarious humiliation of English Chavs, who were offered the starring roles as part of their sentences). It would be like the stocks of yesteryear: public humiliation and payback time.
programmes (some based at army camps but not run by the army) designed to help youths in danger of slipping into crime or welfare dependenency said “yes our programmes work but onyl because they are voluntary, we’re not designed to take serious violent offenders, and the courses would fail if you forced such people to attend’
and they’re voluntary why? Because the filthy socialists won’t fund them. True story, unlike much of the left wing crap posted here.
This speech seems so weird to me. The best explanation I’ve seen is that Key is trying to take NZFs core vote, to get rid of them. Might be good for him if it works (although I doubt that all of NZFs vote would fall in behind the Nats), but it could backfire badly if they make it back in. Labour/Greens/Progessives/Maori/NZF would be pretty close to a majority, certainly a big enough block to cause the Nats a lot of problems if the Nats were in a government that had a few wobbles.
“I think TVNZ or TV3 could run the boot camps”
No thank you – because we are trying to keep the children off the dam drugs!
You do public sector prison guards are capable of atrocities too.
The difference is the examples you’ve given have been in the states, whereas we have our very own dodgy ones in the south island, as have been profiled by Bomber on Tumeke.
Yes bomber is correct the gangs run the South Island prisons.Provable Fact .
Insider said: “If you read the speech JK did not say the army would be doing anything. He only said they “may’ be part of a programme – not will or must.”
On Breakfast this morning, after being repeatedly asked by Paul Henry, he eventually said “yes, the army will run the boot camps” with rather a firm emphasis, implying “put up or shut up.” And it’s no wonder the army would resist such measures, given that they have a 92% rate of reoffending. See Goff’s Press Release on that here: http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/military training proven not work young offenders goff
Mind you Maria, the army are currently deployed in 16 different countries and most get straight into work after basic training.Six weeks,then one the outta here bird.
Solve two problems with one stone?
Key’s trick is:
1) Promise a lot of problem-solving investment (education, crime, transport, general infrastructure, etc)
2) When asked (which he rarely is, by our dozy media) where the money is going to come from, airily suggest private funding, or some kind of “partnership”
3) Hope that nobody asks the obvious follow-up: what are the incentives for private, profit-driven providers to do the hard stuff? And what are the consequences?
So far, it’s working.
Can’t we just make him PM now and fast forward to the fallout in 2009, when the emptiness of all this is exposed? We might as well.
My good mates at Burnham said the army could well do with a much needed injection of personal.They reckon the kids that run foul of the law are usually the ones that excel in the army comradely atmosphere.
The army fills a vacuum absent for so many young men.Better than prison as that feeds addictions etc.. The Army lifts their self esteem levels and gives them a sense of achievement.
Name, they’re voluntary because that’s what works getting kids on the cusp of falling off the rails who want to do soemthing better and giving them the opportunity (I understand the govt funds the courses)
lawyer dude – Did you give you mates at Burnham an injection of something personal?
Sam Dixon, no I didn’t and I will rise above your sordid insinuations.
Sam Dixon wrote: lawyer dude – Did you give you mates at Burnham an injection of something personal?”
DOn’t judge others by your standards. May I remind you LD was in the NZ Army, not the NZ Labour Party.
1) Promise a lot of problem-solving investment (education, crime, transport, general infrastructure, etc)
Gobsmaked – that’s number 2. Number 1. is create the impression of a problem by repeating misinformation until it is seen as indisputable fact.
‘sod: It surely is. I get more than a little tired of the repetition. Even the advertising industry is moving away from it because they find it turns people off.
Michele: I was in the army too, and not that many years after CMT ended. It was hilarious listening to the difference between some civilians bemoaning the abolition of the draft, and the NCO’s and officers saying how great it was to work with volunteers.
We don’t have armed forces as a social service, they are there to prepare for worst-case scenarios. It is difficult to do that while having to waste effort on short-termers.
Hi guys, I think you’ll find most of the folk backing this belong to the Kiwiblog right:
http://newzblog.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/the-kiwiblog-right/
Yeah, I know I’m a link-whore but if it’s good enough for Tony Milne…
robinsod,how does one make a comment at the blog No Right Turn?
I am having problems connecting?
Care to explain?
Thank you
Oh you are so having problems connecting, dad.
Sorry robinsod I am not your dad.
[lprent - junk warning - this is probably dad4justice under yet another alias. It is in his usual IP range and with the usual comment type.]
Don’t be sorry dad. I’m certainly not.
Well maybe a little…
“Who’ll run John’s boot camps?”
Why of course it will be the unemployed Mallard & Benson-Pope. Where there any cases of people being slapped, punched or having tennis balls jammed into their mouths in Wackenhut?