It is possible to laugh at humour that crosses the line (which I did) – but also think less of the person who told the joke.
That mix is dangerous if you are advocating a political view – and then your joke ends up backfiring. But hey – if you guys want to continue a joke which is only slightly funny, but also diminishes you and the people you represent – good luck to you.
DPF learned to his cost a few years ago that a good joke can impact on your political credibility.
I suspect that the guys who run the Prog Blog will learn that today. Their paedophile smear on John Key is slightly amusing – but I suspect that Jim Anderton will not be smiling at the backlash that he is deservedly getting.
Good for you Tim, while we’re doing the etiquette tango, perhaps you might like to apologise for rather directly implying I was making shit up over at Hootens blog.
Tim, I agree it is hard to believe that Prog Blog has any official sanction or oversight – but as a recent entrant into the blogosphere I have discovered it is a blurred line between offical blog – and the loosely endorsed supporter.
The “unofficial blog” is all too often just a tool to give some political deniability for content that goes too far.
If politicians want to enjoy the fruits of having champions in the blogs (sanctioned or otherwise) – they also need to accept the risks.
If the Progs are not endorsing that site then at the very least they will know it exists (it has been there a while). That means that they have some responsibility for its content – but no control.
The Progs needs to come out today to strongly reject its content and to apologise – even if they claim no control over what their supporters are saying.
[Tane: Na, you're not "just saying", you're implying that calling a politician 'clueless' is akin to racist bigotry. That's a wee bit silly, MB.
When did the right (with some notable exceptions) become so humourless and easily offended?]
What is interesting about that, Tane is that I deleted the latter part of the post and replaed it with the term [deleted for being 'too precious'] but what has been shown is the first thought I had, but not the edited vsn.
[lprent: depends how fast the moderation is.
If a moderator starts editing before you finish your edit, then they will get an 'old' copy to edit. If they save after you, then their copy with their updates is the one that goes to the database.]
Billy, it was a screen-wiping moment for me. I mean I know all the tricks about houses, cozy=16sq/m, ‘character’ means ‘no roof’, and so on, but what was meant by that? Who knows… “This house looks nice but will kick you in the nuts and run away laughing”?
But anyway, Tane, I’m sure you would allow me the right to reply to the charge that I’m being ‘silly’, Tane, as you are a fair-minded kind of chap. I’m not likening ‘racist bigotry’ with your views, just pointing out that when rebutting someone with ‘lighten-up’, or having ‘no sense of humour’ if they are offended by a particular form of humour has historically been the recourse of cowards. Amongst such types, racists, homophobes and sexists have been prominent. I know tht you are none of the above, but the tactic reeks of the same attempt to employ a similar power-differential, to quell objections.
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It is possible to laugh at humour that crosses the line (which I did) – but also think less of the person who told the joke.
That mix is dangerous if you are advocating a political view – and then your joke ends up backfiring. But hey – if you guys want to continue a joke which is only slightly funny, but also diminishes you and the people you represent – good luck to you.
DPF learned to his cost a few years ago that a good joke can impact on your political credibility.
I suspect that the guys who run the Prog Blog will learn that today. Their paedophile smear on John Key is slightly amusing – but I suspect that Jim Anderton will not be smiling at the backlash that he is deservedly getting.
Thanks Tim.
Thomas, I don’t think anyone on this blog has ever even mentioned Prog Blog, let alone endorsed it. That’s a pretty cheap shot on your part.
But Key is passionate about young people. He wants to send them all to boot camp! And Iraq.
Good for you Tim, while we’re doing the etiquette tango, perhaps you might like to apologise for rather directly implying I was making shit up over at Hootens blog.
http://www.policy.net.nz/blog/?p=314#comment-891
Matthew Pilott,
That’s the funniest thing I have seen for weeks.
Tim, I agree it is hard to believe that Prog Blog has any official sanction or oversight – but as a recent entrant into the blogosphere I have discovered it is a blurred line between offical blog – and the loosely endorsed supporter.
The “unofficial blog” is all too often just a tool to give some political deniability for content that goes too far.
If politicians want to enjoy the fruits of having champions in the blogs (sanctioned or otherwise) – they also need to accept the risks.
If the Progs are not endorsing that site then at the very least they will know it exists (it has been there a while). That means that they have some responsibility for its content – but no control.
The Progs needs to come out today to strongly reject its content and to apologise – even if they claim no control over what their supporters are saying.
[Tane: Na, you're not "just saying", you're implying that calling a politician 'clueless' is akin to racist bigotry. That's a wee bit silly, MB.
When did the right (with some notable exceptions) become so humourless and easily offended?]
What is interesting about that, Tane is that I deleted the latter part of the post and replaed it with the term [deleted for being 'too precious'] but what has been shown is the first thought I had, but not the edited vsn.
[lprent: depends how fast the moderation is.
If a moderator starts editing before you finish your edit, then they will get an 'old' copy to edit. If they save after you, then their copy with their updates is the one that goes to the database.]
Billy, it was a screen-wiping moment for me. I mean I know all the tricks about houses, cozy=16sq/m, ‘character’ means ‘no roof’, and so on, but what was meant by that? Who knows… “This house looks nice but will kick you in the nuts and run away laughing”?
Jeepers, prog-blog? Was that posted at 3am?
But anyway, Tane, I’m sure you would allow me the right to reply to the charge that I’m being ‘silly’, Tane, as you are a fair-minded kind of chap. I’m not likening ‘racist bigotry’ with your views, just pointing out that when rebutting someone with ‘lighten-up’, or having ‘no sense of humour’ if they are offended by a particular form of humour has historically been the recourse of cowards. Amongst such types, racists, homophobes and sexists have been prominent. I know tht you are none of the above, but the tactic reeks of the same attempt to employ a similar power-differential, to quell objections.
the last post just reeks period. no humour, no levity,no point, no nothing.
just wasting ink and trying to bore us all to death!
Bully…
The Real Estate site has changed its booboo to spacious now/.