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		<title>By: Things that were neat this week &#171; Life and Politics</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146507</link>
		<dc:creator>Things that were neat this week &#171; Life and Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 07:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] feel urged to join Tim and Danyl and calling shame on the standards leak (that Key fired Worth for simply being unfaithful) and its mischievous conclusion: &#8220;Key has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] feel urged to join Tim and Danyl and calling shame on the standards leak (that Key fired Worth for simply being unfaithful) and its mischievous conclusion: &#8220;Key has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Listen . . . do you smell something? &#171; The Dim-Post</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146183</link>
		<dc:creator>Listen . . . do you smell something? &#171; The Dim-Post</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8212; danylmc @ 7:30 am   Like Tim I&#8217;m less than convinced by The Standard&#8217;s &#8216;scoop&#8216; regarding Richard Worth&#8217;s resignation. I&#8217;m still curious as to what really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8212; danylmc @ 7:30 am   Like Tim I&#8217;m less than convinced by The Standard&#8217;s &#8216;scoop&#8216; regarding Richard Worth&#8217;s resignation. I&#8217;m still curious as to what really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Irascible</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146180</link>
		<dc:creator>Irascible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the anology - Tory ministers and MPs are boils on the public backside? A truly worthy analogy from a right wing blogger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the anology &#8211; Tory ministers and MPs are boils on the public backside? A truly worthy analogy from a right wing blogger.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146179</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the old days, Rob Muldoon used to have a signed, undated, letter of resignation in his desk for every member of the Cabinet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the old days, Rob Muldoon used to have a signed, undated, letter of resignation in his desk for every member of the Cabinet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146178</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;until at the very least this goes beyond an anonymous source inside the National party being pointed to in a post by an anonymous blogger.&lt;/i&gt;

Additionally, you have to remember that it&#039;s people of Eddie&#039;s mentallity who fawn over the works of Hagar and/or Wishart - who see conspiracy at every turn, and think that because a politician had lunch in the same cafe as Graham Norton, they must be part of the rabid homosexual conspiracy. Or, perhaps they got in a cab vacated by a BAT executive, and are therefore part of an evil corporate plan to give cancer to babies.

I&#039;m willing to bet all the cash in my pockets, against all the cash in Eddie&#039;s, that this is one step sideways from interviewing the keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>until at the very least this goes beyond an anonymous source inside the National party being pointed to in a post by an anonymous blogger.</i></p>
<p>Additionally, you have to remember that it&#8217;s people of Eddie&#8217;s mentallity who fawn over the works of Hagar and/or Wishart &#8211; who see conspiracy at every turn, and think that because a politician had lunch in the same cafe as Graham Norton, they must be part of the rabid homosexual conspiracy. Or, perhaps they got in a cab vacated by a BAT executive, and are therefore part of an evil corporate plan to give cancer to babies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to bet all the cash in my pockets, against all the cash in Eddie&#8217;s, that this is one step sideways from interviewing the keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146169</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim. That&#039;s the speaker you&#039;re quoting and I don&#039;t accept that there is a privacy issue anyway. 

Key&#039;s line was that is was against the public interest for him to tell the reason - that was a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim. That&#8217;s the speaker you&#8217;re quoting and I don&#8217;t accept that there is a privacy issue anyway. </p>
<p>Key&#8217;s line was that is was against the public interest for him to tell the reason &#8211; that was a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146157</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re dancing on the head of a pin Eddie.  When Mr Key repeatedly says Dr Worth&#039;s situation is now a private matter, he was actually respecting Dr Worth&#039;s right to privacy.

This is not a new issue.  The speaker said on 17 June:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mr SPEAKER: I thank honourable members, because this is an issue that I accept is not absolutely black and white. But, in fact, when the Hon Trevor Mallard was recounting Speakers&#039; rulings or briefings on the matter, he overlooked the one by Speaker Wilson just last year, which is Speaker&#039;s ruling 162/4. It actually gets into the issue of matters of public interest versus privacy as well, and there are issues to be covered there.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.parliament.nz/mi-NZ/PB/Business/QOA/d/2/6/49HansQ_20090617_00000010-10-Dr-Richard-Worth-Confidence.htm

The decision of Mr Key not to discuss further his lack of confidence was always about respecting Dr Worth&#039;s right to privacy, which is a legitimate reason in the cabinet manual not to release information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re dancing on the head of a pin Eddie.  When Mr Key repeatedly says Dr Worth&#8217;s situation is now a private matter, he was actually respecting Dr Worth&#8217;s right to privacy.</p>
<p>This is not a new issue.  The speaker said on 17 June:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr SPEAKER: I thank honourable members, because this is an issue that I accept is not absolutely black and white. But, in fact, when the Hon Trevor Mallard was recounting Speakers&#8217; rulings or briefings on the matter, he overlooked the one by Speaker Wilson just last year, which is Speaker&#8217;s ruling 162/4. It actually gets into the issue of matters of public interest versus privacy as well, and there are issues to be covered there.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.parliament.nz/mi-NZ/PB/Business/QOA/d/2/6/49HansQ_20090617_00000010-10-Dr-Richard-Worth-Confidence.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.nz/mi-NZ/PB/Business/QOA/d/2/6/49HansQ_20090617_00000010-10-Dr-Richard-Worth-Confidence.htm</a></p>
<p>The decision of Mr Key not to discuss further his lack of confidence was always about respecting Dr Worth&#8217;s right to privacy, which is a legitimate reason in the cabinet manual not to release information.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146156</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But nobody wants &quot;gory details&quot;, Timmeh.

Can you show where people here are asking for &quot;gory details&quot;?

You do understand the issue, Tim. Why are you pretending you don&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But nobody wants &#8220;gory details&#8221;, Timmeh.</p>
<p>Can you show where people here are asking for &#8220;gory details&#8221;?</p>
<p>You do understand the issue, Tim. Why are you pretending you don&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146154</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim. That doesn&#039;t refer to any need to protect Worth&#039;s privacy. It simply states that since he&#039;s a private citizen it&#039;s case closed. Different things (and niether stack up).

You&#039;ve got a slippery way with words that Key himself would be proud of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim. That doesn&#8217;t refer to any need to protect Worth&#8217;s privacy. It simply states that since he&#8217;s a private citizen it&#8217;s case closed. Different things (and niether stack up).</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got a slippery way with words that Key himself would be proud of.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146153</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respecting a person&#039;s privacy is in the cabinet manual as a good reason not to make information public, Wrangle.

If there had been police charges then it might become a public interest story.  There weren&#039;t.  In the end all we have is rather shoddy allegations put forward by Mr Goff on the one hand, and a complainant whose story wasn&#039;t sufficiently strong for the police to investigate further.

I don&#039;t know Dr Worth, but as he&#039;s not an MP anymore I don&#039;t think you or anybody else has the right to go rifling through his bottom drawer with some hokum excuse of &quot;public interest&quot;.  There is no public interest in knowing about Dr Worth&#039;s private life any more than there is public interest in knowing about yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respecting a person&#8217;s privacy is in the cabinet manual as a good reason not to make information public, Wrangle.</p>
<p>If there had been police charges then it might become a public interest story.  There weren&#8217;t.  In the end all we have is rather shoddy allegations put forward by Mr Goff on the one hand, and a complainant whose story wasn&#8217;t sufficiently strong for the police to investigate further.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Dr Worth, but as he&#8217;s not an MP anymore I don&#8217;t think you or anybody else has the right to go rifling through his bottom drawer with some hokum excuse of &#8220;public interest&#8221;.  There is no public interest in knowing about Dr Worth&#8217;s private life any more than there is public interest in knowing about yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ellis</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146150</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid you have your facts askew snoozer.  Mr Key has repeatedly said that he was not going to comment further on Dr Worth because he&#039;s entitled to his privacy.

&quot;Now that Worth&#039;s gone from Parliament for good, it seems that there is no real fear of this being the case but Key has decided that as a private citizen Worth is entitled to his privacy &quot;

That was here at the standard quoting an article from Tracey Watkins.

Privacy was the major consideration why Mr Key didn&#039;t go into further details about Dr Worth.  It seems that the only people who want to know the gory details are the commenters on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid you have your facts askew snoozer.  Mr Key has repeatedly said that he was not going to comment further on Dr Worth because he&#8217;s entitled to his privacy.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that Worth&#8217;s gone from Parliament for good, it seems that there is no real fear of this being the case but Key has decided that as a private citizen Worth is entitled to his privacy &#8221;</p>
<p>That was here at the standard quoting an article from Tracey Watkins.</p>
<p>Privacy was the major consideration why Mr Key didn&#8217;t go into further details about Dr Worth.  It seems that the only people who want to know the gory details are the commenters on here.</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146148</link>
		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worth started the panty sniffing. Pure and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth started the panty sniffing. Pure and simple.</p>
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		<title>By: felix</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146115</link>
		<dc:creator>felix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TIMMEH!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TIMMEH!!!</p>
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		<title>By: snoozer</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146109</link>
		<dc:creator>snoozer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Key has never given privacy as a reason why Key lost confidence in Worth. This is purely Tim&#039;s invention.

But, what the hell, I&#039;ll bite.

Tim, pray tell: how would Key confirming that the reason he lost confidence in Worth was that Worth is an adulterer be an invasion of Worth&#039;s privacy given that his adultery is already public knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Key has never given privacy as a reason why Key lost confidence in Worth. This is purely Tim&#8217;s invention.</p>
<p>But, what the hell, I&#8217;ll bite.</p>
<p>Tim, pray tell: how would Key confirming that the reason he lost confidence in Worth was that Worth is an adulterer be an invasion of Worth&#8217;s privacy given that his adultery is already public knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Wrangle</title>
		<link>http://thestandard.org.nz/why-key-fired-worth/comment-page-1/#comment-146105</link>
		<dc:creator>Wrangle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly right Rex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly right Rex</p>
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