Written By: all_your_base - Date published: 10:49 am, May 14th, 2009 - 15 comments
Categories: labour -
Tags: google, labour, map, waterview
Labour’s just launched an interactive Google map showing National’s plans for the Waterview connection.
Click the map below to check it out.
Am i missing something with this picture? If you follow the route from the South, i agree with the above ground from the end of SH20 as it is soon going to be (going South opens on Friday) then into a tunnel under New North Rd through to BHB Rd and Gt North Rd intersection. Then i become confused, why the cut and cover through Waterview when they could continue the tunnel (or come out into the park at the BHB intersection with Gt North Rd) turn along the foreshore behind all of the housing and could then link with the North-Western Motorway both North & South about a Kilometre further towards the West of the proposed cut and cover and save hundreds of houses and many Millions of Dollars. So what’s the problem?
a) Cut & Cover is much cheaper & easier than deep tunnel.
b) That foreshore @ heron park has some ‘extremely rare’ moth, hence is a no go area.
c) it would ruin the lovely sea views that those ‘waterview’ properties have
What about the Avondale Spider (our own little movie star)?
last report i read on the issue said cut and cover wasn’t an economically advantageous option because the thick bassalt layer made it easier to tunnel.
perhaps the geology of the area has changed since National came to power?
Will Labour be consulting its MPs in all the provincial areas it did so well in the 2008 election to ask how those people feel about saving many hundreds of millions of dollars through this proposal. It may come as a shock to you AYB or to the Labour Party if they had actually bothered with a provincial campaign but the people that are paying for this option through their tax dollars are relieved that a huge saving is being made.
i am sure if candidates such as lesley soper, rick barker and russell fairbrother asked about in those electorates they would be told the same.
hvillvoter – Have you forgot about the National fuel tax? National scrapped the regional fuel tax so those in the provinces now have to pay for Auckland as well. What about Rodney Hide’s stalinist endeavour in Auckland will that come out of Auckalnd ratepayers pockets or will central government pick up the tab and the provinces will once again be saddled with paying for Auckland’s problems?
May I suggest it be called the “John Key Tunnel” since it will be completed on his watch, and not Helen’s.
And the connection should be called the “Helen Clark Memorial Highway” since it will be going over “my (her) dead body”.
It’s true that it’d certainly be easier to have a debate on the costs if Steven Joyce could get his figures straight. That aside, no doubt the electors in Mt Albert will shortly send their own message to a Minister of Transport who seems intent on ploughing ahead regardless of their views.
Thanks for putting the map up, guys.
As a former Avondale resident I’ve been trying to work out in my head exactly where this road was proposed to go. No route I could come up seemed viable for the locals if it was above ground at any point because of the narrowness of the corridor residents’ traffic from Waterview, Avondale and Patiki would be left with.
Does anyone know if Waterview and Avondale residents will be able access the connection for their own commutes (on/off ramps for example)or is local traffic going to be ignored for the greater benefit?
Cut and Cover is much cheaper, say’s who.
Cost is not just monetary, can you imagine the traffic problems during construction through Waterview?
Traffic is bad enough through there now without adding construction equipment, demolition mess, etc and if you want to trust the suggested figures being used by National to justify their actions, i don’t
Do we not have a road tunnel boring machine ex Orewa sitting around just waiting to spring into life again? that should save us 50 Million or so.
As for Butterflies, that’s why i suggested the tunnel should come out on the foreshore below the park. and skirt along behind the existing housing, much less intrusive than going straight through Waterview and destroying hundreds of housing, not to mention the traffic.
Joyce and the Bulldozer boys
bulldozing Auckland’s rights, bulldozing houses and bulldozing the opposition.
Key said at a press conference today:
“I’m a wrecker, not a builder”
There will be no local on-ramps or off-ramps.
I personally was not a fan of Labour’s super-expensive tunnel, but neither am I a fan of this. If we want to spend $1.4 billion on transport wisely we should be building the CBD Rail Loop not some stupid road.
Steven Joyce is stuck in the 1960s with his thinking, throwing money at roads when the number of trips on Auckland’s state highways is declining (we’re back to 2004 levels and still going down) yet public transport has increased by 20-30% in the past few years.
Hey jarbury – have you appeared on TV in the last couple of days? I saw someone who fitted your profile (young, working expertise on the issue) and wondered if it was you.
Its for the greater good
..and anyway property rights granted by society can be taken away by society (nothing wrong with that, is there?)
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