WTF is a “primary” anyway?

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1. Paul Campbell 1

   26 January 2012 at 7:43 am

   Caucuses are when you all turn up at your local hall at a nominated time (say 7pm) and all the people voting for candidate A stand in one corner, those for B in another then get counted – kind of like ballots but counting live people rather than paper

   I’ve always found it strange that the US, a country that includes a constitutional mandate against the state stopping free association can tell you that you can vote in the Republican primary and not the Democratic one – in essence the state is paying for part of the party’s internal selection processes and handling the membership rolls of those organisations through the electoral roll – if the Republicans (or Dems) don’t want members of the other parties voting in their primaries they should maintain their own rolls and hold their own elections

   Note that parties don’t have to use the primary system – small parties choose their own mechanisms to choose candidates – however the PR value of being on the ballot means parties aspire to using it.
   • QoT 1.1

     26 January 2012 at 6:03 pm

     Ta for the additional info, Paul!
2. Carol 2

   26 January 2012 at 7:59 am

   It seems to me that primaries are a US president idol show, with the candidate that can gain the strongest combination of positive media coverage and influential financial donations being the winner.
3. ghostwhowalksnz 3

   26 January 2012 at 7:59 am

   Obama won the New Hampshire primary for democrats with 82% of the vote. But the strange part was about 10% voted for the Republican candidates Romney, Paul etc. These are ruled as invalid so Obama goes to about 90% of valid democratic votes. How did this happen ? Apparently in New Hampshire you can vote in another parties primary.
   • Matt 3.1

     26 January 2012 at 5:01 pm

     There are closed primaries (limited to your party) and open primaries, it varies depending on where you are.
4. Pete 4

   26 January 2012 at 8:59 am

   I recommend this 5 minute video explaining the primary system.
5. randal 5

   26 January 2012 at 9:05 am

   a primary is simply a method of selecting a candidate american style.
   now that campaigns are permanent then they have become a method of keeping the republican party party in the news 24/7.
   at the moment they are like a cattle call for a remake of the seven dwarves!
6. muzza 6

   26 January 2012 at 9:17 am

   The sick part about the primaries is that the world gets a first hand view at the following

   1: Media bias at its absolute naked worst
   2: The shit quality of American Politics, and its corruption laid bare
   3: The moronic public who buy into it
   4: The next arseholes who is going to wage war on the planet (same puppet arseholes)
   5: A tragic view of how far we have fallen

   Thats about as many as I wanted to give energy to…
   • happynz 6.1

     26 January 2012 at 9:45 am

     From muzza’s list…

     1: Media bias at its absolute naked worst

     The US media is shit, to be sure. However, I wouldn’t use the superlative here. New Zealand’s media hasn’t covered itself in glory during the past few years either. It’s not the worst though. There are dozens of nations with far worse examples of media bias. The UK and its tabloid press maybe?

     2: The shit quality of American Politics, and its corruption laid bare

     No argument there. However, if you’d like to experience totally balls out corruption you ought to spend an election season in Latin America, Southeast Asia, or just about anywhere in Africa.

     3: The moronic public who buy into it

     Same-same just about everywhere from my own experience.

     4: The next arseholes who is[sic] going to wage war on the planet (same puppet arseholes)

     erm…yeah…self interest and a lot of deadly hardware. Not a good combination.

     5: A tragic view of how far we have fallen

     Who are you talking about, the human race, or one or more nationalities in particular?

     Thats about as many as I wanted to give energy to…

     Yup, hauling generalisations out of the prejudice box is indeed some heavy lifting and a break may indeed be called for.
     • muzza 6.1.1

       26 January 2012 at 10:37 am

       Happy – The discussion is about the GOP primary held in USA, so I was not about to go into long winded comparisons with other countries, of those you mention I have travelled extensively and lived for more than a decade, so I know a bit about them!

       “Yup, hauling generalisations out of the prejudice box is indeed some heavy lifting and a break may indeed be called for.” – Last thing on earth I am is prejudice….I DONT LIKE CNUTS of any nationality, clear enoug!
       And frankly the American Administration has proved over many decades that their agenda is very fucken prejudice, and backed up with the media propaganda, and military to execude that prejudice..

       Maybe try another tact there eh!
       • McFlock 6.1.1.1

         26 January 2012 at 12:15 pm

         “Tack”, not “tact”, methinks. A nautical term – not entirely sure, something about wind – which is appropriate for political discussions 🙂
         • muzza 6.1.1.1.1

           26 January 2012 at 12:22 pm

           Actually that is exactly what I meant – Well spotted!
     • Matthew Whitehead 6.1.2

       26 January 2012 at 11:56 pm

       To be fair to Muzza, while the USA is indeed not as corrupt as other countries, it is allowed to get away with its corruption to a far greater degree- this is partially due to the usual tricks, where corrupt countries wrap themselves in elections and play good cop/bad cop with the country and try to distract the electorate from the legalised theft going on, but it’s also partly because the USA has the corroboration of right-wing parties around the world praising its broken “democracy” as a model.

       In short, the US has the worst ratio of perception of freedom to corruption in the world, far outstripping many outright authoritarian regimes in their pretension to democracy- for instance, compare it to China, with similarly oppressive methods and similar dreams of empire.
7. insider 7

   26 January 2012 at 9:55 am

   I’m not sure why US primaries are even news in NZ let alone the second item on the 6pm news on TV1 and 3 as they were on Monday. Most of these people we’ve never heard of and never will again. How can that possibly be considered the second most important story of the day in NZ?

   It’s all about slickly packaged images and soundbites, meaning news is about what is cheap and entertains not what is relevant.
   • Lanthanide 7.1

     26 January 2012 at 10:08 am

     Because the president of the US wields significant power in the world.

     Also not a lot of note is happening in NZ at the moment.
     • Carol 7.1.1

       26 January 2012 at 10:19 am

       Also not a lot of note is happening in NZ at the moment.

       Huh? Ports of Auckland, Occupy evictions, Rena and Christchurch issues continuing, Crafar Farms, mining issues, selected visibility of Key & National, Labour caucus, Mr Mega Dotcom, National subtle media censorship/control, Stratos gone off air, decreasing public service media… etc, etc…
       • muzza 7.1.1.1

         26 January 2012 at 10:40 am

         Carol, EXACTLY. The GOP primaries are a circus, another distraction from real issues, both in NZ, and abroad…

         Its like when the Yanks fawnicated over the royal wedding last year…why would they do that you think!
         • Matt 7.1.1.1.1

           26 January 2012 at 5:03 pm

           Probably for the same reasons Kiwis did?
           • muzza 7.1.1.1.1.1

             26 January 2012 at 5:31 pm

             Most people do not even know why they like the monarchy – Most have no idea who they are or where they came from. They just know that they are shown via glossy mags, the Royals are special people, and that you can’t have what they have, because, well, you are just a peasant.

             Its just a case of monkey see monkey do, which is about all the mind can cope with these days. Just keep those “idols” be it, sport, tv, film, music, politics, royalty, reality BS coming, the people , they love it, and grow dumber and more subserviant every day!

             We on the same page? 😉
       • Lanthanide 7.1.1.2

         26 January 2012 at 11:43 am

         None of those are ‘new’ stories except for Dotcom and they haven’t had any interesting new developments (like the primary races in the US have, with Gingrich storming into the lead). Crafar farms will be widely covered once National officially announce their decision to allow the sale.
         • muzza 7.1.1.2.1

           26 January 2012 at 12:20 pm

           Shows the fact that there is little appetite to give the stories the indepth coverage they deserve!

           Dotcom is nothing more than a sideshow issue as well..

           Gingrich in the lead, IOWA ballots going missing, 8 of them….bodes well doesnt it!
     • insider 7.1.2

       26 January 2012 at 10:42 am

       But this is not a presidential election, it;s an in-house bun fight.
       • McFlock 7.1.2.1

         26 January 2012 at 12:20 pm

         AKA a collection of prepackaged horse-race bulletins that make the news team look like they have international depth. All bought for a song off the wire. 
8. Lanthanide 8

   26 January 2012 at 10:01 am

   My boyfriend has pointed out that the primaries do something that NZ politics really doesn’t. It gets many top contenders from each party to duke it out. Obviously a lot of them go in it with the hope of winning, but some of them are just there to raise public awareness about their particular issues. This leads to a lot more debate within the party and in the public at large about exactly what it is the party should be doing; look at the waves Ron Paul has been making with his foreign policy for example.

   We sort of saw a very abridged version of this with the recent Cunliffe vs Shearer saga, and that was probably the first time anything like that had happened in NZ.
   • insider 8.1

     26 January 2012 at 12:48 pm

     it’s interesting but we don’t vote for the head of state like they do. If the Democrats lose faith in Obama they can’t drop him mid term.
     • Matthew Whitehead 8.1.1

       26 January 2012 at 11:48 pm

       Well, Obama is a bad example, because he’s committed a lot of impeachable offenses, so the Democrats could drop him, if they actually believed in their constitution and the rule of law.
       • happynz 8.1.1.1

         27 January 2012 at 6:50 am

         That’s interesting. In your opinion, which impeachable offenses have Obama committed?
9. ianmac 9

   26 January 2012 at 10:14 am

   By the way. Open Mike 26 Jan is just a very black blank page to me. Just me is it?
   • Carol 9.1

     26 January 2012 at 10:21 am

     It was working for me, but now it’s gone black.
10. Rich 10

    26 January 2012 at 11:44 am

    Also, “registered party member” isn’t the same as here. You don’t have to pay dues or sign up to their values – you just tick a box when registering to vote: http://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Registered-Democrat
11. randal 11

    26 January 2012 at 1:13 pm

    insider you are on the money when it comes to why primaries are news here.
    the answer is so creeps like ipredict can make a book on it and cozy up to fox news who think we should all be plastic people of the universe anyway.
12. Irascible 12

    26 January 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Interesting campaign being run by the Tea Party groupings in the GoP has concentrated on stressing the positive aspects of slavery over the realities that led to it being banned and including in the social studies / civics curriculum the statement that the founding fathers legislated for a republic not a democracy.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/23/tea-party-tennessee-textbooks-slavery_n_1224157.html
13. Colonial Viper 13

    26 January 2012 at 5:12 pm

    The bankers already have their inside man in the White House and they will return him, they don’t give a stuff about the Republicans.

    The positioning they are going for is the term after – when Obama will be out.

    Obama’s popular talk about dealing with US income inequality – will turn out to be more of what he does best – giving good speeches and then caving to the billionaires.
    • Matthew Whitehead 13.1

      27 January 2012 at 12:01 am

      To be fair, Obama isn’t the bankers’ man. He’s not exactly a leftie by our standards, but the problem is more one of institutional capture of a man with reasonably progressive centrist beliefs- he listened to the corporate wing of his party on who to appoint, (which are the real operatives of Wall Street on the inside of the administration- look at his chiefs of staff!) and now he’s been convinced by them to act like a liberal republican, against the advice of his re-election campaign and the only bloody progressive in the White House, Michelle Obama.

      (It’s too bad America has been convinced it’s not ready for a woman as President- Michelle Obama would be an amazing President)
14. randal 14

    29 January 2012 at 5:29 pm

    according to dave (david letterman) the republican primary is where they line up to see who is going to lose the election to Obama.
    hot news off the MSN wire is that the Neut has been endorsed by Heman Cain. I dont think that will do it somehow.

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