Just like any other software.

anti spam word: servers

nice

thinking off hooking up with ‘scorch’ for the same type of deal. did a couple of installs for them and it seems fairly reliable.

http://www.scorch.co.nz/

More to the point is we have a gov’t that thinks big bus can do no wrong, a big bus (telecom) who can do no right and in fact rewards it’s shareholders by not investing in infrastructure.

Then a broadband plan hammered by all and sundry as unworkable being handled by JK’s head bully Joyce……billions being spent to improve what telecom shareholders should be funding, not you and me.

This gov’t lack the brains and principles to solve our telco landscape….helen put the right minister (Cunliffe) onto it after the wrong one (Swain) but contrast that with NACT who have one plan B when ministers fail…..B is for Bully…come on down Joyce.

Another favourite, large attachment, is pdfs that have been created by scanning a document (rather than created electronically). Which is often caused by someone doing something like printing a document, signing every page, scanning the whole thing and then emailing it back again.

Pdfs of catalogues, that have been created electronically, but contain lots of pictures suitable for high quality printing are quite common large size attachments too, as are powerpoint presentations.

Of course, there are many strategies for keeping such documents to a manageable size, or ways other than email attachments of distributing them — but the average computer user doesn’t bother. They just expect email to work with large attachments.

Whenever you see anything about the new “super-fast” broadband, about the only concrete example of what it will be used for is streaming television to people’s homes. Whoop-de-do, that’s really going to improve our productivity by letting people sit on their couch.

As Iprent points out, if you’re concerned about “attachment size” on your emails, then you shouldn’t be using whatever email address it is that you get from your ISP. “super-fast” broadband is unlikely to change that policy.

What other people have pointed out in the past, is that the best bang for buck in terms of broadband penetration would be to concentrate on rural areas, where delivering broadband to farmers and small towns could actually improve their productivity significantly, especially in places where broadband is unavailable and connections are unreliable. However the plan that has been laid out by the National government focusses on the 20 (25?) largest communities in the country, and the rest get zippo.

FYI, I actually work as a software developer for a company that designs switches and routers for the internet, so I do actually have a clue what I’m talking about.

I think they’ll look at (or have done) a whole range of socio-economic metrics for this sort of stuff.

You could probably construct and craft some numbers to fit any business case you want but it’d be good to see stuff like e-learning, home business/office, health and other public service delivery, ‘quality of life’, improved comms, and obviously all sorts of lifestyle type services.

Personally I’m very interested in anything that can really support ‘regionalisation’ (if that makes sense) in NZ, and in doing so having a positive impact on local economies etc etc.

You have me confused with someone else. I never said that and I don’t vote Labour.

Sorry I missed your real world examples. I don’t really care if people don’t know how to use the net. The only point I’ve been trying to make (and you’ve been studiously avoiding) is that there is no apparent advantage in terms of productivity and profit for anyone but a very small minority of very specific companies. Nothing you’ve said has made any case to dispute this. If you think a panelbeater and an accountant are losing ground in the marketplace because they can’t figure out how to send 20MB files to each other then I don’t really know why I’m bothering discussing it with you.

I’m not denying the convenience factor but I haven’t heard anything from you about actual productive gains.

I’m sorry that I have real world examples of people who want to send files by email because they can’t be bothered to do it a more complicated way, and I’m sorry that you see it as an opinion rather than the way people actually do things.

Mind you, you did assert that the only reason National campaigned on faster internet connections was to placate the P2P crowd, so I suppose you really don’t have an awful lot more to add rather than they should probably vote Labour?

I don’t think rattling off a list of “people I reckon need bigger pipes nao” constitutes a fact-based argument.

I maintain that the potential for genuine productivity gains from vastly improved web access are limited to a relatively small and specific group of industries and so far no-one has shown me any evidence to the contrary.

I remain open to seeing it though. I’d like everything bigger faster better more too.

but you’re really just stating an opinion as fact in response to my opinion stated as opinion.

No, you stated an opinion what he stated was fact. People regularly send multi-megbyte files via email. They haven’t heard of ftp or any other technology that does it better. People write an email, add attachment and press send. They neither need nor want to know about the technology that makes it work or it’s limitations.

Why should people be encouraged to waste them rather than be encouraged to learn to use them efficiently?

That’s the society that we’ve grown up in – everything you want, now. It would be nice if we started looking at the waste that we do unthinkingly though.