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You paid to get Try-hard John on the telly

Written By: - Date published: 6:29 pm, August 1st, 2011 - 165 comments
Categories: Minister for Overseas Holidays, tourism - Tags:

Remember John Key’s awful Letterman appearance?  Supposedly worth a fortune in tourism. We know that was complete crap. It was a stunt meant to impress us saps. Now we learn that we paid for it. PM’s office pleaded for months to get on Letterman. Try-hard even sent a demo tape. When that didn’t work, they paid a US PR agency $10K to seal the deal.

In 1939, our PM was the first in the world to declare war on Germany. In 1945, our PM led the stand against giving the veto to the great powers in the UN. In 1973, our PM sent frigates into the Mururoa test zone to block nuclear blasts. In 1985, our PM led the world anti-nuclear movement. Previous PMs have gone on to lead the WTO and UNDP. This PM has beg and send a demo tape and pay our money to get on TV to ham-fistedly deliver some rubbish jokes. Really does something for our place in the world.

165 comments on “You paid to get Try-hard John on the telly”

  1. Oligarkey 1

    I feel ashamed to be a NZer.

  2. Kevin Welsh 3

    TVNZ Site:

    Key said it was money well spent.

    “As Minister of Tourism, it was a good thing to do. In my view, it promoted New Zealand.”

    Then why lie about it for so long?

  3. Colonial Viper 4

    Letterman is a real celebrity with global reach. He would’ve known the first second that Key was a blowhard dime a dozen wannabe. A real “John” willing to fork over $10K of someone else’s money for a bit of personal pleasure.

    Embarrassed for NZ.

  4. Tiger Mountain 5

    Shonkey’s “pay for view” Letterman talkshow spot certainly didn’t rank with the Lange Oxford debate or virtually any other public appearance ever by a New Zealand Prime Minister.

    Ditto other posters: em-effing-barrassment.

  5. marsman 6

    Bit sad really.

  6. sweetd 7

    The 2 mins of hate on loop start again.

  7. Peter Bains 8

    Gee, we paid $200M over the odds for Toll, $10K pales into in-siginificance.

    ["Book value' and 'market value' are almost never the same thing. Especially not in an inefficient 'market' as small as this one was, with only one possible seller and one possible buyer. If I see you running this particular idiotic, threadjacking troll line again it will earn a ban...RL]

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      And its sad that Key’s office spends time on vital issues like ‘how to get John Key on Letterman’

      • seanmaitland 8.1.1

        It was a PR company hired by tourism NZ

      • Lyall 8.1.2

        Thats the trouble with the left, they know the cost of everything, but the value of nothing.

        • AAMC 8.1.2.1

          “Thats the trouble with the left, they know the cost of everything, but the value of nothing.”
          And I’ve been deluded all these years thinking that was the defining trait of the Right.

        • Blighty 8.1.2.2

          what was the value of this?

          apart from impressing the yokels back home?

    • Peter Bains 8.2

      [Take a four week ban for arguing with the moderator..RL]

    • mik e 8.3

      It cost more for one lane of the holiday highway for one of the most important pieces of infrastructure this country has from Kaitia to Bluff, including the cook strait ferries, public transport in Auckland and Wellington.John Banks fogged it off to the yanks for nothing they asset stripped it along with Gibbs and Fay Ritchwhite for over $1billion . Peter Brains you Just show how naive National and you are about the value of infrastructure its palpable.The TORIES in england have realized that motorways are to expensive and are now only building commuter trains because they are 3 times cheaper to build than motorways and carry 18 times more people than cars ,not only that they are cheaper on fuel as well. National is further behind than its own Tory mentors Dumb and Dumber!

  8. felix 9

    Tourism NZ also lobbied the Letterman show for at least six months ahead of Key’s appearance.

    After getting nowhere, it employed international public relations consultants Hill and Knowlton two months before the September appearance, and Key put together an audition tape.

    “There was a sort of joke tape if you like that was done in my office,” Key said

    I know I’ve said this before, but ffs he’s just David Brent.

  9. Craig Glen Eden 10

    What a gooober I feel so sorry for his kids, poor bastards. Its bad enough having to put up with Dad jokes but when your father gets the country to pay for his jokes on Letterman oh the shame.

    • mik e 10.1

      They weren’t even his jokes but now he’s the joke. is this his paintagate . read my lips no new jokes Accountability ha. hippocriter.

  10. randal 11

    as a committed dave fan I can say that dave was not very interested in john.
    actually I like felicia best and sid plays one mean guitar.

  11. freedom 12

    ” There was no money paid to Letterman” is how they spin it ?
    Not even bothering to distract us with
    ‘it was used for aligning business protocols between the NZ Tourism Agency and the Publicist for the American Market’

    Unfrikkinbelievable.

  12. Hilary 13

    The declaration of war was 1939, I think you’ll find.

    • Zetetic 13.1

      true. Was thinking about who made the declaration while writing. Savage signed it from his hospital bed. Fraser delivered the famous “where she goes, we go” in Parliament on his behalf. Savage died in 1940.

      • The Baron 13.1.1

        Not much honor in sending 10% of our fine young men off to die in a war, only to have that “she” dump us for the EEC 20 years later.
        I know you’re trying to make every Labour PM in history a hero, but I see no heroism here. Jingoism and bloodlust perhaps. Turn you on does it Zet?

        • Zetetic 13.1.1.1

          No. I’m not going to argue with you about the rights and wrongs of fighting Nazism. You’re just trying to distract. And if you try to make a conversation of it here, you’ll be moved to open mike.

      • The Baron 13.1.2

        Oh and while I’m at it, how does helen’s decisions to send our boys to those awful wars of modern imperialism in Iraq and Afghanistan? Oh so noble those Labour PMs all. Heroes really.

      • Colonial Viper 13.1.3

        I think its interesting how The Baron talks about being dumped from a commercial and trading arrangement as being relevant to why NZ fought in WWII against the German war machine.

        It’s not of course. The very lives and freedoms of the British people were under heavy threat at that time.

        As for Afghanistan The Baron relitigates the past, while in the present John Key sucks up to NATO generals and promises an unending warfighting arrangement where NZ SAS hunt and kill “the enemy”. (And now that Osama is dead why has National kept us there? As a favour?)

      • Charlie Tan 13.1.4

        In any case, it is a myth that we were the first:

        http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/timeline/03/09

  13. Hilary 14

    There was another National PM who so offended other countries that they boycotted the Olympics because NZ was there.

  14. Hey David, if you want you can borrow my holiday home in Hawaii….
    Caused a major row in our house – the wife thought it was $10K well spent. Pointed out the denials were part of the issue.

    • mik e 15.1

      No Hawaii his real home his holiday home is in NZ he spends more time holidaying overseas than in NZ

  15. Max 16

    I’m struggling to see what the outrage is about?

    • felix 16.1

      We don’t have a PM.

      We have a “New Zealand’s Got Talent” contestant.

      This is what he has his department working on. This is what he has his department spend money on. Simply put, the arrogant prick thinks this kind of shit is his actual job.

      (Oh and then there’s the lying. It’s always the lie that gets you)

    • Colonial Viper 16.2

      Max, use your imagination please.

    • Zetetic 16.3

      If you’re proud that your PM begged and whined and hired an agent and sent a goddam demo tape to get to tell four minutes of crappy jokes on a late night TV show, then good for you.

      • Eszett 16.3.1

        Hmm, according to the story, it was Tourism NZ that did the begging. After all, it’s their job to promote NZ. I have to agree with Max, this hardly amounts to the proverbial storm in a tea cup.

        • Zetetic 16.3.1.1

          I’m just trying to remember who the Minister of Tourism is.

          Shit. Can you remind me, Eszett?

          • law 16.3.1.1.1

            using an agency that was on a retainer… must. make. mud. stick.

            • felix 16.3.1.1.1.1

              using an agency that was on a retainer… for. two. whole. months.

              • law

                two months huh? care to share where you got that information from?

                • felix

                  From your Mum.

                  Oh, and the links in the post that you didn’t bother to read.

                  • law

                    bahahaha a “your Mum” joke, that is hilarious.

                    your comprehension skills are somewhat lacking though.. let me help you here…

                    “it employed international public relations consultants Hill and Knowlton two months before the September appearance” would agree with your position… your comment seems to suggest that they are no longer on retainer, yet we are told in the same story that “…Tourism New Zealand have a PR company. They’re on a retainer. They pay them every month…”

                    • felix

                      Told by who?

                    • law

                      your Mum…. bahahaha see I can do that too. Look at the link yourself

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Are they the same PR company? Or were H&K a different company?

                      And given that no one seems to know exactly how much was spent…how did they know $10,000 was spent?

                      Why are the figures so obscure?

                      It would actually be very interesting to know how many **hours** the PR company spent working on the PM’s behalf. (That will be on their invoice )

                    • felix

                      Ok I looked, and no-one says that except John Key. You could have told me that, law. Why so shy?

                      Looks like the company was “retained” specifically to get Key on the show. Whether they were kept on afterward is irrelevant IMO.

                      As CV says, it’ll all come out in the docs.

                      ps “Your Mum” is only funny once, and only because you weren’t expecting it, and even then only marginally so. Totally lame on the rebound.

                    • law

                      According to TNZ “Mr Bowler said Tourism New Zealand was still using the same company, which received a monthly retainer of around $20,000-$30,000 on average.” http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5372669/John-Key-had-PR-help-for-Letterman

                      oh and RE your Mum. Perhaps it was funny at intermediate, perhaps even at the start of high school, but in the real world… not so much.

                    • felix

                      Crikey, not only do you repeat my lame jokes back to me, you also repeat my self deprecating critique of the lame joke.

                      You remind me of someone. I’ll figure it out soon.

                  • Colonial Viper

                    wtf does “$20,000 to $30,000 on average” actually mean? And given that how did they work out that Key was around $10,000 of that.

                    Someone is definitely making numbers up.

                    • felix

                      Usually when people say “retainer” they mean a fixed price per term regardless of the work required.

                      If the payment varies like that from month to month then it’s not a retainer in the sense the word is usually understood. It can still technically be called a retainer but it really just means ongoing work, billed according to the work required.

                      The interesting bit is that the “retainer” this Bowler chap describes (variable payments depending on the work required) is the opposite of the “retainer” Key describes (a fixed fee regardless of the work required).

                      So yep, someone’s telling porkies. Gee I wonder who.

                    • insider

                      “Usually when people say “retainer” they mean a fixed price per term regardless of the work required.”

                      Usually people say that who haven’t had to negotiate such contracts. You’d be pretty silly to sign up to that as a supplier. You could end up working hundreds of hours on a job effectively without compensation.

                      IME retainers give a certain level of work (eg hours) at a certain rate paid in advance. Work outside that gets charged at a new – often higher – rate. Supplier gets regular cashflow, client gets lower hourly costs but risk that paying for work that is unnecessary. Retainers are also used to secure supplier loyalty and prioritise your work.

                    • felix

                      “Usually people say that who haven’t had to negotiate such contracts”

                      Of course they haven’t. And you’re essentially just reiterating what I wrote.

                      Now look at what Key said about it and see if you can spot the problem.

          • eszett 16.3.1.1.2

            So you think because John Key is also Minister for Tourism, he instructed Tourism NZ to get him on Letterman. Really? Do you have any evidence for that?

            Don’t you think that Tourism NZ may have thought of it themselves? I mean, after all, it’s their job to think of things like that.

        • McFlock 16.3.1.2

          Tourism NZ did the begging for a gimmick of questionable value? How did that get past the Minister for Tourism? oh, wait…

    • mik e 16.4

      Double standard Mad Max read my lips i,m going to bring accountability to the office of PM.No new taxes yeah right winging it.$10,000 That was cheap it cost us tax payers $50million for him and Joyce to get on TV3 and Mediaworks

    • Bored 16.5

      Max, Key has shown his true level of political discourse: he has reduced democracy to an economic transaction. Thats why the outrage. It is the behavoir of a true prostitute (without the honesty).

  16. Zetetic 17

    I’ll give the Nats this. They worked out a distraction line after hunting around for a couple of hours to try to find a ‘they did it too’ example.

    And Whale and Farrar have it up within minutes of each other.

    They’ve got those blogs as line disseminators done pat. We’ll be seeing the line repeated here any minute.

    Oh and I love that Whale says “and who remembers the doco that featured Clark?”. Well, National clearly does, Cameron.

    • freedom 17.1

      desperation
      is brewing in the Blues
      brewing in the Blues, brewing in the Blues
      Desperation is brewing in the Blues

      That’s what you get for being crap

      ——–now back to the news————–

      Helen Clarke was asked to participate in a Documentary Series where selected Heads of State showcased their Nation and Shonkey begged to balance a biscuit on his nose.

      yeah they are so similar its just not funny.

    • burt 17.2

      Zetetic

      I’m glad you think their “they did it too” is pathetic. I do as well. Hard to defend your own team by saying they are only as bad as the other team. Still, it’s the brain dead tribal way isn’t it. Call it on the opposition and defend it in your own team. Totally idiotic…

      • mik e 17.2.1

        This habit of paying large sum sums of money to media oganizations is becoming a very bad hobbit for Mr KEY

        • burt 17.2.1.1

          It’s a bad habit for all senior politicians. Wonder how many millions have been spent getting Brash camera ready ?

          I also hate to think how much we have paid for photo-shop work over the years !

      • felix 17.2.2

        As usual you wildly miss the point, burt.

        They “they did it too” from the tubby little men of the right isn’t laughable because they’re claiming that “they did it too”.

        It’s laughable because they’re comparing two such incredibly different scenarios.

        • law 17.2.2.1

          indeed. 10K compares to 250K, chalk and cheese really…

          • felix 17.2.2.1.1

            Do you even know what you’re comparing?

            • law 17.2.2.1.1.1

              clearly one of us doesn’t. I’ll give you a hint, it isn’t me.

              • felix

                Oh dear.

                Care to tell me what you’re comparing then? I’m notoriously slow at picking up on these things.

          • freedom 17.2.2.1.2

            Helen Clarke was asked to participate in a Documentary Series where selected Heads of State showcased their Nation and Shonkey begged to balance a biscuit on his nose.

            Law, quick chat by the fence… you really should read the threads you are commenting in, it kind of makes you look like a plonker if you don’t

            • law 17.2.2.1.2.1

              Freedom, thanks for the chat. Whilst we are here… who is Helen Clarke? Oh, and since we are talking about the documentary series, do you know what other countries appeared? Not sure about you, but appearing alongside Jordan doesn’t exactly make me want to cart wheel down the street

              • Colonial Viper

                You mean standing next to Michael Jordan? The guy contracted HIV by playing around sure, but why do you want to besmirch him for it? He’s just another old sports star now. Its just not an appropriate thing to do and I think you should probably apologise.

                • happynz

                  erm, that was Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson’ I believe.

                • Bazar

                  Apologise for what?
                  For mentioning Jordan without praising the player Jordan and his HIV?

                  I think you should apologise to law for implying he did something wrong.

                  I’ll just sit here and wait for Viper to apologise, as he wouldn’t expect others to do what he isn’t willing. That would be hypocritical.

                  *tumbleweed*

              • felix

                Yep, the crucial point to remember is it’s all about Jordan.

  17. Max 18

    As I said on another topic I’ve voted both sides in my time. Theres nothing in this little story that makes me want to go back to the labour side this time. I come here & to the blogs on the right to keep informed, rarely post anything but today I feel talkative. I’m just not feeling it for labour this time sorry.

  18. ak 19

    Good old Hels. She kept us off the list for as long as she could, and in circles that matter she’s keeping our head up.

    Chin chin. Chances are that when the rest of the world sees us giving away our assets, a plastic waka, a used condom as a party venue, a cardboard cathedral, and a Soupy Sales ventroloquist dummy as PM, they’ll think we’re just avin a larf. Or at least only in the coalition of the swilling and gullible. Worst-case scenario: the asylum of the south pacific, and not worth the trouble.

    • freedom 19.1

      On behalf of common sense, i take a little umbrage at “a cardboard cathedral” being included in your list, the motives and technologies behind that project are, i would imagine, far more agreeable to most people than the condom, the bathtoy and the guy on the swingset with his lollipop.

      • ak 19.1.1

        Aye, too true freedy, tho I’d have more faith in the motivations if even a tiny effort had been made for communion with the doolans – jesus h, a name like chch, steeple and dome both dust, what an opportunity lost – how many signs do they need? Moneychanger esconced in the temple, the empire crumbling back at the centre, and still they stick to their separate, decaying, threadbare tents of cardboard and tat and ignore the poor. Sad, irrelevant frocks riding a glorious mount into the ground.

  19. bart 20

    Oh come on, really? Is that the best you can do?

    The company that arranged this worked to promote NZ, and is paid a retainer. What that means is the company is paid no matter what. The 10 grand figure is what the company spent working to secure the deal. Don’t intimate that there was a payment to the Letterman show to secure the appearance! People are actually smarter than that.

    You could contrast this with the 200,000 Helen Clark’s government spent on a documentary, which I had no trouble with. Or what about the 6 million dollar bill that Oprah’s visit cost the Australian taxpayer!

    • Colonial Viper 20.1

      The John Key Show! A NZ Bargain at Twice the Price!

    • freedom 20.3

      “After getting nowhere, it employed international public relations consultants Hill and Knowlton two months before the September appearance,”

      looks like the retainer was really a short term contract,
      words often hide reality bart, you may want to read articles before commenting on them

      Tourism NZ strongly stated two years ago no monies were spent on getting the PM on the show.
      This week, it’s only a little bit of money was spent getting him on the show.

      It is one of the oldest complaints from most people when looking at those that run things. If there is really nothing untoward in the way you spend another’s dollars then just be honest when asked. Thousands of years of this rubbish. It gets tiresome!

      • Colonial Viper 20.3.1

        There’s no way the fee was NZ$10,000. That’s an out and out lie. US based PR firms do NOT invoice in NZD. US$10,000 is more likely.

        In fact I bet you it was US$10,000 8)

        At a nominal rate of NZUSD 0.70, that’s $14,300.

    • felix 20.4

      “Or what about the 6 million dollar bill that Oprah’s visit cost the Australian taxpayer”

      Did they hide that from the Aussies, bart? Don’t think so.

    • burt 20.5

      bart

      Sorry mate, pointing and shouting “they did it too” is the way kids try and get out of trouble. In the adult world it equates to: I’m too childish to face up to the bad things in my political party of choice so I’ll point at your party and say they did it too.

      • mik e 20.5.1

        National partake at every opportunity just look at some of the right wing blogs in these columns don;t try and take the high ground.Politics is like that its a dirty business but a lot of fun hows ernie la lulla la burt

  20. Canter 21

    What a waste of money. Would the real PM please stand up! This is your chance Phil!

  21. Craig Glen Eden 22

    Frankly the Aussies can pay Oprah or any one else what they like I don’t give a rats. What I don’t like is ShonKey has turned NZ into a piss poor comedy act.
    So seem as the Nats thanks to Gluckman have now discovered evidence based research can anyone tell us if tourism Numbers from the USA increased compared to previous years? Seems how it was money well spent which he didnt spend ???????

  22. reid 23

    This’ll make a real dent in the polls, won’t it, Timmy?

    It won’t?

    Bugger.

  23. chris73 24

    Ok another piece of advice (that you probably won’t listen to anyway) that you may want to take on board:

    Pick your battles

    This is one fight you should be ignoring

    • Canter 24.1

      If we took your advice then we’d all just roll over while Shonkey screws the country!

      • chris73 24.1.1

        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=1293547

        So read this article and tell me what John Keys done thats so bad

        • McFlock 24.1.1.1

          Key paid people to beg Letterman for a token slot which consisted only of him being a dick. Clark showed off some of the nation’s finest tourist attractions. You’d also need to factor in any additional costs in security and accommodation that Key incurred so he could be a dick.
            
          One had a shot at being a good investment for the country. Clue: Key’s performance did not.

          • chris73 24.1.1.1.1

            Ahh so as long as its “high-brow” its ok, if its something crass like Letterman its bad

            I wouldn’t mind betting that more people watched the Letterman program then watched a documentary channel episode showcasing Helen Clark

            So to sum up: John Key value for money, Helen Clark not so much

            But hey good luck making this an “issue”

            • McFlock 24.1.1.1.1.1

              It’s got nothing to do with “high brow” – it’s about the relative value of showing the best of our country versus having a hobbit poorly deliver third rate one-liners.

            • felix 24.1.1.1.1.2

              It’s about who it was for you fool.

              Key’s appearance was for our amusement back home.

        • felix 24.1.1.2

          You’re comparing a documentary series where heads of state show off their various countries to the rest of the world, with Key begging to appear on a chat show to entertain the voters in New Zealand.

          Jeez man, Letterman wouldn’t even interview him! Lame.

    • Colonial Viper 24.2

      But it fits so well into the general theme of

      The Man Who Thought Being PM was a Childhood Joy Ride Come True

    • freedom 24.3

      it’s not a fight . . . it’s funny,

      because it shows what a snivelly little grommet he really is

      where is his self respect ?

      My humble opinion may not amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world but he is a Prime Minister and yet he believed it was a good idea to send a gagreel to sweeten the deal?

    • mik e 24.4

      Just like paintagate which raised funds for charity and speedgate which happened on the day Helen had her life threatened by a mad ex drug detective from Christchurch who had a gun

  24. Afewknowthetruth 25

    With the kiwi dollar having fallen in value a lot slower than the US dollar has fallen in value (1 kiwi now = 88 cents) and the continuing implosion of the US economy, we should anticipate a massive fall in the number of overseas visitors, especially those using US $.

    We say it every day: we are governed by criminals and clowns.

  25. Blue 26

    Can someone OIA the audition tape?

  26. As the original post confirmed, the number of visitors arriving in New Zealand from the USA – ostensibly the reason for Key’s appearance – which had been fairly stable since 2006/07 dropped by 28% in 2010/11.

    Approved visitors from the USA to NZ:
    2006/07: 2,504
    2007/08: 2,312
    2008/09: 2,196
    2009/10: 2,261
    2010/11: 1,887

    Now we could put that down to earthquakes etc. but the graph linked from the original post suggests there was an immediate effect dropping numbers after Key’s appearance…

    • Colonial Viper 27.1

      So Key did do us a favour then :P

      The excruciating exchange rate is killing our tourist operators and tourist trade retailers.

    • freedom 27.2

      it’s all the other ‘approved’ visitors from the US that are the really interesting story
      but we don’t get to see those lists :)

  27. Maddy 28

    Nice article.
    Of course, you also saw Key modelling some uniform or other: http://news.msn.co.nz/article/8207371/pm-john-key-says-catwalk-mince-was-stupid
    I had to look away.

    Never mind. I’m guessing he’s pretty relaxed about it.

    I liked it better when our PMs were clever, or quick-witted, or well-spoken, or even half evil.

  28. SHG 29

    Excellent work, team. This will totally swing the polls against National and totally not blow up in your faces or make you look petty or humorless at all.

  29. chris73 30

    Its like the boy who cried wolf, you’re all so keen to score points against he who must not be named that the general public will tire (has tired) of this and will stop listening

    So when something major comes along nobody will care (but then you’ll just the MSM I guess)

    Choose your battles

  30. Gosman 31

    Excellent, another diversion to let the intellectually arrogant lefties get all high and mighty on and expend their efforts to little to no effect.

    Do you actually think this makes a blind bit of difference to most people’s perception of the PM?

    • Pascal's bookie 31.1

      Just people talking bro.

      You must be heaps of fun at parties.

      ‘OMG do you people actually think any of this makes a blind bit of difference’

      • Gosman 31.1.1

        Ummmm…. I mean the non-story about the payment to a PR company not this thread.

        I’m pretty darn certain that nothing on this site influences people’s perception of the Prime Minister.

        • Pascal's bookie 31.1.1.1

          So what new hell is this media theory you have going then?

          Fill me in on why you think the media is running a non-story.

          It’s a story, people are talking about it. What’s your problem?

          • Gosman 31.1.1.1.1

            So your position is that every news piece that the media runs is by extension news worthy simply because it is in the media. Hmmmm… interesting circular logic you have there.

            I’m pretty sure I have seen people on here making comments about some news item or other about Labour which people think was much ado about nothing.

            • Pascal's bookie 31.1.1.1.1.1

              So how do you define ‘news worthy’ gos?

              And there are a number of elements to this story, so be sure to mention all of them when explaining to the media why they failed in their judgement about whether or not this story is news worthy.

            • mik e 31.1.1.1.1.2

              Its all done just for you Gossipman

  31. Afewknowthetruth 32

    The clown was on TV this morning.

    He is so relaxed about the economic and environmental catastrophe underway he has slipped into Liverpool slang: “er, yeah, y’know”.

    Actually he very smart. He managed to answer every question without answering any of them or letting slip where NZ is headed.

    Everything is someone else’s fault and he doesn’t think it is his job to interfere (govern). No wonder the trolls out there love him.

  32. joe bloggs 33

    Dis­cov­ery Chan­nel, Helen Clark = $250,000

    Let­ter­man, John Key = $10,000

    Spot the difference – everyone remembers the Letterman Show

    • ghostwhowalksnz 33.1

      The Discovery channel had like …NZ.

      Letterman got only Key and at a much higher rate per minute

    • Blue 33.2

      You mean every Kiwi remembers John Key on the Letterman show. Ask an American Letterman viewer if they remember it. They were meant to be the target audience after all, weren’t they?

      Listening to a country’s PM rattling off a list of lame jokes really makes you sit up and say ‘ooh, I absolutely must go there for my next holiday.’

      • Colonial Viper 33.2.1

        Suspicion is that Key got on Letterman to impress the avg Kiwi viewer, and he didn’t mind making an ass of himself on a world stage in order to sway votes back home.

        He swayed my vote, for sure.

    • I remember Letterman and I couldn’t even bring myself to watch John Key making a fool of himself. Tell you what, if they had made a cool trailer out of the NZ doco and showed that on Letterman it might have had a positive effect.

      Nobody travelled here because a pin striped ex banker (how much ex remains to be seen) which is the one kind of species everybody hates in the US told them too. If anything they probably thought; Euw, the were stupid enough to vote in one of the Wall street parasites as their PM? No way am I going there!

      • The Gormless Fool formerly known as Oleolebiscuitbarrell 33.3.1

        You’re missing the wider picture, Ev. Key (you may have noticed) is a bankster. With the help of the Freemasons, they control the world and, especially New York, where the Letterman show is made.

        If they could manage to blow up buildings in New York and frame innocent Arabs then getting one of their own on the Letterman show would be easy-peasy.

        I am sure there is a depleted uranium angle in there as well.

  33. tc 34

    Meanwhile the 10Bill hole in their last budget is still there…..more carefully timed distractions people.

  34. TightyRighty 35

    I love this, keep it up. Nothing like seeing new episodes in the long running h-fee farce. I might write to the programmers at comedy central and ask them to add it to the line up of their sunday marathons.

  35. TightyRighty 36

    says you.

    give up the wikipedia “truth by consensus, not necessarily the facts” basis for your attacks, it’s old and demonstrably wrong.

    In the meantime, I hear John Key will be travelling by his own personal car to the dairy to get milk. Is this proof of his collusion with fonterra and big oil to stamp on the underclass by increasing demand for both milk and petrol and therefore raise prices?

    • Colonial Viper 36.1

      No, he does that over a cup of tea on conference call, drinking the milk he has just bought. Silly goat.

    • No, actually he says so himself in at least two interviews he just lies about when and since the only time Andrew Krieger did the deed was 1987, left Bankers trust in January 1988 and he had left the entire world of trading in June 1988 John’s statement that he only dealt with Andrew Krieger in August of 1988 is a very easily disprovable fact.
      Links to interviews:here and here
      Links to New York times archive here, here and here.

      So either three different New York Times journalists and Andrew Krieger who also described the attacks in detail in his own book and has been named in several other books describing the attacks as occurring in October 1987 were wrong or Johnny boy is telling fibs. I know based on Johnnies propensity for telling the odd fib and fib which option I would take.

  36. freedom 37

    there are a thousand PR firms in NY city, this just happens to be the one we chose to work with?
    http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/08/02/spinning-it-with-john/

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    Mads Anneberg’s profile on Ricardo Morris and Repúblika. David Robie also blogs at Café Pacific. THREE STUDENTS from AUT University covered Fiji’s historic “from dictatorship to democracy” general election this month. While the election arguably legitimised Voreqe Bainimarama’s so-called 2006...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • David Cunliffe Resigns As Labour Leader – Forces Robertson Out of the Bel...
    David Cunliffe has made a smart move, resigning as the leader of the Labour Party so as to force a leadership primary campaign. The move draws rival Grant Robertson out of the beltway to parts of the country where he...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • Deep thought vs Deep prejudice
    . . This letter to the editor appeared in The Listener, on 27 September, and caught my attention; . . Mr Dawson wrote in response to one of those typically unthinking comments which  condemned the poor for their “unbridled, reckless...
    The Daily Blog | 27-09
  • The NZ National voters elected
    The NZ National voters elected...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Kate Davis – The post election postmortem is giving me post p...
    I feel the need to contribute to the discourse. This is a new experience for me. Not having an opinion, but expressing it on a popular forum in a public sphere. That’s why I have waited till now and put...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A dictionary of education terms and definitions, brought to you by the let...
    Free to all TDB readers, please enjoy your very own cut-out-and-keep handy primer of terms that I predict you will need to know over the next three years… Achievement Gap (noun) Synonym for wealth gap. ACT (abstract noun) Intangible. Reported to exist in...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • A Mines Rescue brigadesman’s perspective on the Pike River Mine
    My husband and I lived in Greymouth in 2010, we were a coal mining family.  The day Pike River Mine blew up and the days following changed us profoundly, as it did for so many.  This is a Mines Rescue...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • The Left Triumphant! A Counterfactual History of the Last Twelve Months.
    DID IT REALLY HAVE TO END LIKE THIS? Reading through the commentary threads of the left-wing blogs it is impossible to not feel the anger; the sense of betrayal; the impression of having had something vital ripped from their grasp;...
    The Daily Blog | 26-09
  • GUEST BLOG – Myles Thomas: The media won it!
    Make no mistake, John Key is a clever communicator – reasonable, authoritative and relaxed – but without the media he wouldn’t be PM. Depending on your viewpoint, New Zealand’s news media are either a bunch of Grey Lynn lefties or...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Not Learning Lessons Past: the West’s Response to IS
    In an earlier posting Ukraine, United Kingdom, Ireland, Scotland, I noted that the first lesson of conflict learned by Robert McNamara was “understand your adversary”. If we have honourable objectives, our first and most important weapon is empathy. In the Vietnam War,...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • GUEST BLOG: Dr Jarrod Gilbert – Proof of David Farrar’s deception: my ...
    In the lead up to the election the Minister of Corrections Anne Tolley launched a gang policy. In order to justify the government’s approach she used gang figures that overstated the gang problem. Not by a little bit, but a...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • SPECIAL FEATURE: Stuart Nash – Red To The Rescue?
    SPECIAL FEATURE by Selwyn Manning. IF THE ELECTION RESULT which was dished out to Labour was not enough to incite an immediate leadership primary, then the caucus’ refusal to recognise David Cunliffe as the leader should cement it. Now is...
    The Daily Blog | 25-09
  • Has the one party state crackdown begun already? Left wing NZ activist grou...
    Well known left wing activist social media group, ‘John Key Has Left Down NZ’ has been shut down on Facebook. At 11.40pm last night, Facebook, without any warning shut the group down siting a breach of terms of service as...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Why Cunliffe should probably just let Nash & Robertson win
    We have to face some very unpalatable home truths. If you are a left wing political person, best you put your vote now to the Green Party, although you’ll have to do that all the while the Greens frantically tell you...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • The graceless win of Kelvin Davis
    The graceless win of Cameron Slater’s mate in the North, Kelvin Davis is difficult to swallow. Here Cameron Slater’s mate in the North is shitting on Hone Harawira by calling Hone all steam, no hangi as Kelvin rubs his ganged up win into...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So Labour shifted too far to the left?
    So Labour shifted too far to the left?   Here’s the ill-judged view of Josie Pagani in the Pundit “Labour must change”: “At the last election I made myself a heretic when I wrote a column mentioning how unpopular the...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • Uncomplicated Loyalties: Why Cunliffe and the Labour Left Cannot Win
    THE STORY of David Cunliffe’s leadership of the Labour Party has been one of missed opportunities and unforced errors. That he was the only choice available to those who wanted to rid the Labour Party of its neoliberal cuckoos is...
    The Daily Blog | 24-09
  • So we can expect this now?
    So we can expect this now?...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Can Labour be saved? Why Whaleoil & National won and why we need a new ...
    As the shock of my optimism that NZers would recoil from the real John Key as exposed by Dirty Politics and mass surveillance duplicities wears off, I am surprised to find that the right in NZ are not content with...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Three more years (up shit creek and paddling hard)
    “If the future is not green, there is no future. If the future is not you, there is no future”. Emma Thompson’s stirring words to the climate marchers in London last Sunday are worth considering in the aftermath of the...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • One Party State
    In years to come this election will be seen as a historic turning point towards one party rule. I don`t mean this literally, absolute single party dictatorship is not in prospect. In the New Zealand context though, one party has...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • No More. The Left Falls.
    . We cannot be beaten down Because we are down already. We can only rise up and if you should beat us down, We will rise again. And again. And again… And when you tire of beating us down, We...
    The Daily Blog | 23-09
  • Hang tight everyone – Marama Davidson campaign reflection
    To the many people who had expressed their overwhelming support for me to enter Parliament this election – thank you. That the Greens held steady in a big loss for progressive politics is an achievement. We are hopeful that after...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA
    New flag for NZ once Key signs TPPA...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Reflecting on Elections Past
    There are a number of past elections that can give the left in New Zealand guidance and hope. Two major points though. Major parties require leaders who can bridge the political divide through strength of personality, vision of what it...
    The Daily Blog | 22-09
  • Submissions sought on herbicide for weed control in maize
    The Environmental Protection Authority is calling for submissions on a herbicide to improve broadleaf weed control in maize. The substance CADET contains 100g fluthiacet-methyl in the form of an emulsifiable concentrate and would contain a new active ingredient...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line
    Jesse Mulligan Lives Below Poverty Line TV personality Jesse Mulligan will live on the equivalent of the extreme poverty line this October in order to raise awareness of sex trafficking. Mulligan will survive on $2.25 for his food from October...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn?
    Narratives from the 2014 Election: What do we learn? - Sue Bradford, Russell Brown & Kirk Serpes discuss....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change
    Voices from Oceania to speak out on climate change at launch of Pacific environment report...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages
    The Ministry of Civil Defence & Emergency Management advises that while changes to Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre messages come into effect from today (Wednesday 1 October), the Ministry has been, and remains, the authoritative voice for tsunami...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Police remove banner at Statoil Offices in Wellington
    Oil Free Wellington hung a banner at 9:30 this morning at the Statoil office headquarters in Wellington as the Petroleum Summit opened in Auckland. The banner, which read 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil', has now been removed...
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Mixed massages raise concerns
    Mixed massages raise concerns for Te Taumata Kaumatua Ngapuhi nui tonu, and Te Wakaminenga O nga Hapu Ngapuhi....
    Scoop politics | 01-10
  • Union Slams Port Boss’s Pay Rise
    The Rail and Maritime Transport Union (RMTU) says Lyttelton Port CEO Peter Davie’s 18% wage rise, taking his pay packet to $1.24m, is unjustified and inflammatory. ‘Lyttelton port has an appalling health and safety record, with three deaths on...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Prisons expert Ron Nikkel to speak in Auckland October 15
    Prison Fellowship NZ and JustSpeak have the privilege of hosting the former president of Prison Fellowship International, Ron Nikkel....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Hundreds of educators protest IES in Rotorua
    Four hundred educators from around the country took their opposition to the Government's controversial Investing in Educational Success policy to the public today....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Crime drops by 3.2 % in the 2013 / 2014 financial year
    Criminal offences dropped by 3.2 % in the last financial year according to figures released today through Statistics New Zealand....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Narratives from the 2014 Election: what do we learn?
    I would like to invite you to a Fabians Reflection on "Dirty Politics, Dotcom and Labour’s worst result" with Colin James, Keith Ng, Stephanie Rodgers and Richard Harman. They will provide a debrief of analysis and lessons from the 2014...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Oil Free Wellington drops banner from Statoil headquarters
    Today members of Oil Free Wellington have targeted the offices of Statoil, by attaching a banner reading 'Statoil out of Northland: Stop Deep Sea Oil' to the entrance of Vodafone on the Quay Midland Park, where Statoil's New Zealand office...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Media Statement from Karen Price
    “After a period of intense media attention and scrutiny of our family, I set up and used an anonymous Twitter account over the weekend and made a number of comments that I deeply regret....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Greenpeace disrupts Simon Bridges’ speech to oil industry
    Greenpeace activists have disrupted the opening speech by Energy and Resources Minister Simon Bridges at the Petroleum Summit in Auckland this morning....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • New Zealand Red Cross Responds to Drought in Tonga
    New Zealand Red Cross has sent an aid worker and two desalination units, to turn seawater into safe drinking water in the drought-hit Ha’apai islands of Tonga....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Can you ever tell if an email is real or forged?
    Computer industry veteran Brian Eardley-Wilmot warns that we should never take claims about stolen emails at face value....
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • NZ MPs to attend the ASPG Annual Conference in Sydney
    New Zealand MPs to attend the Australasian Study of Parliament Group Annual Conference in Sydney...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Independent Maori seats still needed in Parliament
    “He’s got to be joking!” is the reaction of the president of the Maori Party, Rangimarie Naida Glavish to a call by a former Labour Minister of Maori Affairs, Dover Samuels, for debate by Maori on whether the Maori electorates...
    Scoop politics | 30-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    Rallies supporting the rights for universal suffrage will take place all over New Zealand today and tomorrow...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand
    Trout Mass-Poisoned in New Zealand The Graf Boys New Zealand has some of the best trout fishing in the world! Every year thousands of international visitors wade pristine rivers in search of the freshwater game fish....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New Zealand’s 2014 Hottest Vegetarians Crowned
    With winter gone things are heating up, and things just got even hotter with the crowning of New Zealand’s hottest vegetarians, says animal advocacy group SAFE. Marking World Vegetarian Day, 1st October, director James Napier Robertson and actor...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A day to remember our duty to look after our senior citizens
    Human Rights Commissioner Dr Jackie Blue says International Day of the Older Person (1 October) is a United Nations day to celebrate our senior citizens, but also acknowledge the need to protect our kaumatua, or older people from abuse and...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Clear data needed on impact of benefit sanctions on children
    A lack of data on benefit sanctions means there is no way of knowing whether welfare reform is helping or harming children, says Child Poverty Action Group....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The socialist alternative to austerity and war
    Public meeting: After the New Zealand election—the socialist alternative to austerity and war By Tom Peters 29 September 2014...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • New recruits to boost border protection
    Twenty six new recruits began an intensive nine-week training course in Auckland today that will see them graduate as Customs officers in time for the busy summer season....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Dwindling Mallard population shows up ‘pest’ myth
    The pro hunting organisation Fish & Game is researching the causes of the decline of the mallard duck population, upset at the prospect of fewer ducks to kill....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Support for Democratic Rights in Hong Kong
    New Zealanders in Auckland will gather on Wednesday to support the rights for universal suffrage in Hong Kong....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Campbell Live Exclusive Interview with David Cunliffe
    David Cunliffe resigned as leader of the Labour party on Saturday; but he still wants the top job....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Action needed on cycling safety
    “Clearly we aren't doing enough to protect the 1.5 million New Zealanders who ride bikes,” said Mr Morgan....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • World Rivers Day Passes Without A Whimper
    Sunday 28 September was World Rivers Day to celebrate clean, flowing rivers and caring about them. But a recreation-conservation advocacy the Council of Outdoor Recreation Associations of NZ (CORANZ) says the day seems to have slipped by without...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • The Kiwifruit Claim: Q&A
    1. Who is running The Kiwifruit Claim? The Kiwifruit Claim was founded by kiwifruit growers representing well in excess of 10% of the industry. 2. Why are you running this claim? The introduction of Psa into New Zealand had devastating...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Fed Farmers Need to Be Weaned
    The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Federated Farmers to make a firm commitment to reject any future Government funding, after it was revealed that the lobby group had received over $200,000 of payments in recent years....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Children paying the price for charter school stitch up
    New Zealand children will be paying a high price for a one-seat deal between ACT and National, with an expansion of the beleaguered charter school system says education union NZEI Te Riu Roa....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Hikoi From North Reaches Oil Conference Tomorrow
    Today: The Hikoi opposing Statoil plans for seismic testing and deep sea oil drilling has marched through Dargaville and later be welcomed to Piringatahi Marae, West Harbour,Tamaki Makaurau/Auckland....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Communities Still Count
    The efforts of many organisations to influence the electorate and the political parties they voted for in the lead up to the 2014 Election is over. The voting public has spoken and provided a strong endorsement to the centre-right National...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Eleven social enterprises get ready to take off
    Eleven teams from across the country will take part in the Launchpad, Ākina’s programme to get social enterprise ideas off the ground....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • An open letter to the Prime Minister
    in which Transparency International New Zealand asks the Prime Minister to ensure integrity underpins all work he leads "in the best interests of all New Zealanders"...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Paula Bennett ‘great work’ acknowledged – McVicar
    “Paula Bennett, as Minister of Social Development, has contributed significantly in lowering our crime rate and preventing further victims.” - McVicar...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Key’s Restraint in Propping up ACT Welcomed
    The Taxpayers’ Union is welcoming the announcement that ACT MP David Seymour will not be appointed as a Minister....
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • Only Concession is from the Taxpayer
    Responding to the confidence and supply agreement reached between John Key and Peter Dunne’s United Future Party, Taxpayers’ Union Executive Director Jordan Williams says:...
    Scoop politics | 29-09
  • A Tent for Any Tenant
    AUT students and Salvation Army Manukau Community Ministries team up to raise awareness, as South Auckland’s housing situation moves from crisis to collapse...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report Seeks Comments
    The Cycle Safety Panel Draft Report and Recommendations was published on 25th September 2014 and the panel are inviting comments. Lucinda Rees from NZ School Speeds, the organisation campaigning for consistent speed limits outside schools, is encouraged...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour’s Review – Terms of Reference Agreed
    Labour's Review - Terms of Reference Agreed Following a meeting of its ruling New Zealand Council yesterday, Labour has released the terms of reference for the comprehensive review initiated following its 2014 election result. The review will comprise three...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • The final countdown for Kiwi smokers
    There are just two days left until many smokers stubb out their cigarettes for the last time and embark on Stoptober – New Zealand’s first national quit-smoking month....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose”
    “In A Democracy People Win And People Lose” – Chris Hipkins Labour Senior Whip I would say to all of the caucus and all of the members let's actually hear the arguments from the people who want to be leader,...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Campaign to make Murder of Unborn ”Safe and Legal”
    The IPPF have launched an international campaign through its 161 affiliates including the New Zealand Family Planning Association [NZFPA] to make the murder of the unborn safe and legal and accepted as a human right. This is an acceleration of...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Grant Robertson Labour leader hopeful on TVNZ Q+A
    “Look I think what we need to be is relevant, clear and consistent with New Zealanders about the Labour Party's values,” said Labour leader hopeful Grant Robertson on TVNZ’s Q+A programme....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Labour Needs to Get House in Order Before Deciding Leader
    Ex Labour party leader and possible repeat contender David Shearer says the Labour Party is going about the post-election period in the wrong way....
    Scoop politics | 28-09
  • Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics
    “It’s disappointing to see the hate merchants at it again with yet another attempt to smear and silence a health professional who’s doing research they disagree with,” says Ian Powell, Executive Director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists...
    Scoop politics | 28-09
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