0900 LOCKOUT

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1. seeker 1

   1 April 2012 at 4:09 pm

   Thanks Irishbill. Have rung 0900 Lockout and from now on will not buy another Talley’s product until they become an honourable employer again.
   • Vicky32 1.1

     1 April 2012 at 5:22 pm

     Thanks Irishbill. Have rung 0900 Lockout and from now on will not buy another Talley’s product until they become an honourable employer again.
      

     I would donate if I at all could, and I will be careful to not buy Talley’s products… (I think I don’t now, but I will be sure to check..)
2. RichWhite&Fey 2

   1 April 2012 at 4:23 pm

   What is Lusk’s role in all of this ?
3. Colonial Viper 3

   1 April 2012 at 4:35 pm

   Could you publish some donation bank account details for the MWU?
4. KJT 4

   1 April 2012 at 5:16 pm

   Likewise.

   Lets not forget rest home workers, freezing workers, those who are not legally allowed to organize collectively, since the ECA, to get a decent wage and the many people on a minimum wage, below the amount needed to feed and house themselves properly.

   The real wealth creators. http://truth-out.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=6788:the-real-job-creators-you-and-me
   • prism 4.1

     1 April 2012 at 7:02 pm

     Just a reiteration of some excellent figures from rosy (which has a link.)
     Open Mike 30 March 2012 at 7:28 am

     Last December a study from the The New Economics Foundation called ‘A Bit Rich’ came out that priced in the social, environmental and economic impacts of six professions by looking at how each produces value for society, or destroys value. For each activity, the analysis measured the conventional economic returns, including job creation, but adds in, for example, attributable environmental degradation, and changes in well-being (positive or negative) to individuals and communities.
     The study reveals that for every £ earned:
     – EliteCity bankers (earning £1 million-plus bonuses) destroy £7
     – Hospital cleaners create over £10
     – Advertising executives destroy £11
     – Child care workers generate between £7 and £9.50.
     – Tax accountants destroy £47.
     – Waste recycling workers generate £12

     They suggest jobs should be rewarded based on the social value they create and prices include a measurable social and environmental values and maximum pay differentials among a series of measures to create more equitable pay.
5. Tiger Mountain 5

   1 April 2012 at 5:20 pm

   Talleys are the dirtiest filthiest anti union corporate in the NZ food processing industry. They wait for a high unemployment environment and get all militant. Well sod ’em. A Moerewa AFFCO MWU delegate said on RNZ that previous employees dismissed for all manner of things, violence, drug use, absenteeism, unsafe practices etc. are now deemed fit to work in the plant! And are.
   The new welfare laws will help WINZ scab herd in this dispute too.

   TalleyBAN now! hit them where it hurts, how about…
   • take those frozen items to the checkout and leave ’em there, oops can’t afford that one (use sparingly obviously)
   • put appropriate stickers (“toxic to workers” etc) on Talley product (they supply ‘own brand’ too apparently but that is no reason not to take some action)
   • Visit a picket near you and offer support

   Now there is one question that the MWU don’t seem to have got onto (most happy to be corrected here), the Dairy Workers Union after the nasty 2009 Open Country Cheese (Talleys) lockout finally won their case in the Employment Court in 2011 that replacement (scab) labour is not allowed during a dispute arising during CEA bargaining where proper notice has been given etc.
6. Matthew Whitehead 6

   1 April 2012 at 5:34 pm

   You can also email talleys at:

   inquiries@talleys.co.nz

   Please let them know about what kinds of products you buy from them if you’re a customer when you tell them you oppose their efforts to cut costs at the expense of workers.
7. Mel 7

   1 April 2012 at 5:37 pm

   Since this current dispute – I have not bought any of Talley’s products.

   Like Tiger Mountain – I couldn’t help thinking that taking action at local supermarkets to lift people’s understanding of the anti-NZer and anti-humanist operations of Talleys might be a super way to demonstrate support.

   I would be keen to take part in any organised action. 🙂
8. Jenny 8

   1 April 2012 at 5:50 pm

   ‘
   By Mark Ames:
   THE ONE-PERCENT’S DOCTRINE FOR THE REST OF US: YOU ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS, BUT LIVESTOCK WHOSE MEAT WE EXTRACT AS “RENT”
9. Jenny 9

   1 April 2012 at 6:22 pm

   Spending time with the wharfies on their picket line at the height of the Ports lockout, the often expressed sentiment is “We must do something about the locked out meat workers”. I would tell them win your dispute first.

   Now that the wharfies have all but crushed the anti-union POAL management, I have been told that they are organising a bus convoy and are leaving Auckland tomorrow to join the meat workers picket lines.

   In the face of rising employer militancy workers have chanted the famous phrase by Rewi Maniapoto

   ‘ Ka whawhai tonu mātou, Ake! Ake! Ake! – We will fight on for ever and ever and ever!’
   • grumpy 9.1

     2 April 2012 at 9:50 am

     Hope they’re taking Annual Leave………………………
10. Frank Macskasy 10

    1 April 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Talleys is off our Grocery list!
11. John72 11

    1 April 2012 at 10:08 pm

    Jenny, Very, very, very good. That quotation was what this dispute is all about. Avery profound observation. Deep thinking.

    “We will fight on for ever and ever and ever!”

    Spoken by people who do not want peace. They are enjoying the euphoria of fighting. It gives them a “buzz”. All this talk about ‘fighting for a cause’ is just an excuse. Some people are professional rabble roussers and some are in apprenticeship. Neither side is perfect but both are showing their true colours.
    • Matthew Whitehead 11.1

      2 April 2012 at 12:24 am

      The workers did not start this fight, and the “don’t stop fighting” motto kinda means “don’t stop fighting until they give in”, which is perfectly acceptable when productivity is increasing worldwide but wages and working conditions are getting worse.

      Attacking people for not being intimidated by threats of lockouts or casualisation and calling them as bad as the management that proposes those things is ridiculous and inappropriate.
    • Jenny 11.2

      2 April 2012 at 6:37 am

      Greedy employers who sow the wind will reap a whirlwind.
12. Descendant Of Smith 12

    2 April 2012 at 6:55 am

    It used to be Ok for businesses to simply make a profit. In a bad year you might even make a loss but you would make provision in the good years for this.

    Since bean counters got too involved the whole but if I had my investment in a high earning risky investment I could get a better return bullshit (such as we also see with POA – if the land was sold to property developers it would get a better return) it seems like no profit is good enough.

    No doubt that profit is significantly reduced by depreciation and transfers off to other companies as well.

    November 2010.

    The AFFCO meat company has announced an after-tax profit of $21 million for the past financial year.

    That compares with a $25 million surplus for the previous year.

    AFFCO chief executive Hamish Simson says the company was able to achieve a solid result despite the underlying challenges of falling livestock numbers and unfavourable exchange rates.

    He says it’s expecting similar challenges in the current year, with high exchange rates continuing to erode the significant lifts in market prices achieved so far this year and further declines in livestock numbers affecting processing plants.

    AFFCO’s competitor Silver Fern Farms reported an $800,000 net operating loss before tax for the past year, compared with a $5.4 million profit for the previous year.

    And meat co-operative Alliance has reported an operating surplus of almost $30 million, compared with the previous year’s surplus of more than $42 million.
13. dylan 13

    2 April 2012 at 8:06 am

    these people havnt learnt that greed and greed alone led to the collapse of the worldwide economy in 2008, and the european crisis is much the same, instead of hoarding, the financial triangle should be turned upside down with everyone getting a fair share, ie: theres enough money and food to feed all the starving africans if it was managed properly and not possibly skimmed and skimmed again.
    • seeker 13.1

      2 April 2012 at 2:33 pm

      +1 very very good comment dylan
14. vto 14

    2 April 2012 at 8:14 am

    I like the placard the person at the front is holding where it says “Talley family hurts working families”.

    This approach should be taken far more often. It is highly personal to the workers families… Make it personal to the Talley family. After all, the money which is not going into the workers families wallets is going directly into a wealthy Talley family members safe.

    Make it personal.

    Contact them directly. Visit their house. Often.

    Make it personal.

    Because it is personal.
15. marsman 15

    2 April 2012 at 8:15 am

    Another case of the very rich wanting to get richer by using other people’s money.
16. John72 16

    2 April 2012 at 8:37 am

    There will always be someone better of than you. There are millions and millions worse of than you. We never hear about them. Envy will only make you unhappy, it will not solve anything.
    Would someone please answer this question, “Is it a sign of weakness to say something complimentary about someone? ”
    Show that you are thinking by not just repeating criticizim but finding some good points too.
    Remember, “Everyone be queer, except thee and I, and even thee be a bit.”
    • vto 16.1

      2 April 2012 at 9:57 am

      John I suspect when you say this “Envy will only make you unhappy” you have the workers in mind. If so, you are well heading in the completely wrong direction quite obliviously.

      That line applies to the Talley family.
      • seeker 16.1.1

        2 April 2012 at 2:42 pm

        @John72

        “Is it a sign of weakness to say something complimentary about someone? ”

        Certainly not – have just complimented dylan on his 8.06 am comment. However, I would not be able to do the same with your blinkered, self righteous comment John.(which, as usual, is not at all “righteous” in any meaningful sense of the word.)
17. Uturn 17

    2 April 2012 at 9:31 am

    “Is it a sign of weakness to say something complimentary about someone? ”

    Yes, if it is based on admiration or other emotional illusions. Unless you love that person, it is ignorant, because all emotion hides an illusion. Love, too, is a wonderful illusion, but no one in their right mind would take on exposing love and think life is worth living afterwards.

    It is weakness to say complimentary things if the compliment is true, because truth is self evident and elicits no response; there would be no use in describing a trait that everyone can understand and see; and the observer cannot describe a true trait fully, because the effect truth has on the human mind temporarily disables the conjunction of emotion and intellect. The ego describes the trait of the other and expects reward by association; the ego is elevated in social culture as the interpreter. There is no altruism in compliments.

    The only way it would not be a complete weakness would be in an instructional context, like a teacher teaching children. Even then, the motivations of the teacher would cloud the moral value of the lesson.

    “Everyone be queer, except thee and I, and even thee be a bit.”

    Everyone be downright evil, including me, you and me, and me again just a little more. The saving grace of having a human brain is we can chose to put the reward of our evil motivations last, feed our appetites after the most in need have already been feed, if anything is left. That way we not only do the best we can, we do not deny our evil it’s share or it’s existence.
    • Vicky32 17.1

      2 April 2012 at 3:34 pm

      Yes, if it is based on admiration or other emotional illusion

      I couldn’t disagree more! Of course it’s not a weakness unless your attitude to the world is permanent defensiveness…
      Sure there’s evil in everyone, but it’s not all there is to them. To think otherwise is madness…
18. Stanley 18

    2 April 2012 at 9:35 am

    Just donated $100.
    • r0b 18.1

      2 April 2012 at 9:59 am

      Good on you…
19. John72 19

    2 April 2012 at 10:35 am

    Uturn, I assume that your comments are sarcastic. “…all emotion hides an illusion…”. You are obviously intelligent enough to have realised how this applies to the hatred expressed in many of the comments recorded on this website. What sort of illusion is being hidden?
    “Always love your enemies – nothing annoys them so much.” (Q. Oscar Wilde)
    “I expect to pass through this world but once; any good thing I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any fellow-creature, let me do it now; let me not defer or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again.”
    Regards,
    John72
20. randal 20

    2 April 2012 at 1:20 pm

    ‘their’ model is daily hiring from 1930’s United States.
    too many movies!
    hah.
    they want day labourers and a grovelling peonage.
    their goal is to push peasants around by creating a ‘peonage’.
    huh?
    but there is more to it than that and till ‘they’ see that then tough titty for them.
    dig?
21. Reagan Cline 21

    2 April 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Uturn, where to start ? “truth is self evident” – so the earth is flat ?
    “Is it a sign of weakness – yes” roll it on – the more weakness the better. Take your “strength through joy” agenda and transmute to “strength through weakness”.
    Your post is one of the last in a long line of spinmeister works, tainted with the notion of “choice”.
    There is no “evil” or “good”, no “choice” just people like you and me, somehow getting through life – and attempting to persuade governments to institute policies that will enable our lives to be good – Whoops !! Have I contradicted myself ?
22. Marana 22

    3 April 2012 at 1:07 pm

    I was one of those wharfies on the Affco picket at Horotiu yesterday and believe me these guys and girls need all our help. They are not as well organised or funded as we were, but they are facing a more vicious employer who will stop at nothing to shaft them. Remember people like Talleys didn’t get to be rich by being nice people, they got there on the backs of others.
    What can we do, well how about a bit of industrial sabotage, first don’t buy Talleys/AFFCO products. When you see them in the supermarket, fill the trolley and then leave it in the aisle, let it thaw. Cover their products with products of other brands.
    After all, one of the best signs I saw at Horotiu said “Talleyban= Industrial terrorists”.
    So why not us resorting to some “terrorism”!.
    Ads in local papers advising details of the lockout and advising people not to purchase their products, do leaflet drops as we did letting ordinary people know of their plight. Now I know this costs money, and this is where, I feel, the CTU will have to step in, because unfortunately I don’t believe these poor people can win this one on their own.
23. Grunta 23

    12 April 2012 at 5:30 pm

    I am lockedout of Imlay Talleys Affco here in Whanganui.

    Please let me fill you in on some of the tactics the Talleys family used in our work place.

    1. Breaking legal agreements of our core contract hence legal redress
    2. Intimidating our young teenagers to sign IEAs.. Blackmailing them, telling them they wont be
    rehired. So had no choice but to sign
    3. Seniority clauses being broken. Someone who has given 40, 30, 20 10 years being replaced by
    IEA with usually less than 3 months experience
    4. If you are an IEA you get more money for doing same job
    5. Union members discriminated against when it comes to promotions. Can not apply,
    not even asked to apply.
    6. Changing Tallies and Manning meaning you do more work with no extra top up and with less
    manning
    7. Workplace disharmony with IEAs if they got smart you werent allowed to answer back other
    wise you could face termination
    8. After 3 months IEAs are not given the choice to join union freely
    9. Talleys forcing union members directly by giving their jobs to IEAs and sent to another job to
    cover IEA inexperience
    10.Talleys want to drug test union workers but in the last 6 months they havent drug tested one
    IEA
    11.Talleys want to get rid of seniority meaning your years of service and loyalty means nothing
    12.Talleys wont to get rid of all older people for a young workforce that is compliant without
    redress, so they can bring in a slave slave market mentality
    13. Union members not allowed to talk union business when the company were illegally
    discrimnating against union members on site
    14. Talleys changing seniority lists inserting IEAs names higher up than they were
    15. Talleys sending all dayshift workers to niteshift because 80 per cent of us were in the union as
    punishment, hiding under the guise that this is what the farmers wanted.

    The list could go on and on

    If Talleys gets its way, we will be a third world country. Slave market mentality where profit versus the very people who contribute from grass roots level are discriminated against. We want talleys to make a profit and are grateful but sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand to combat corporate greed and capitalism. This is New Zealand not Croatia. Obviously not the New Zealand way and from where we sit maybe the Talley family should take all their wealth and Croation cold war mentality, buy a one way ticket back to their Dalmation roots where they can discriminate against their own kind because this is our country not theirs.

    Aroha mai
    Grunta

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