Open mike 27/05/2011

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  1. Bored 1

    Along the lines of Key making shit up it was very interesting to watch him on Campbell last night interviewed re our “clean green” image by some Brit TV person. Key is a consumate liar, a spin doctor in his own right. I felt disgusted and ashamed that our PM would blatantly lie and avoid the truth on TV in Britain.

    Later on the same report the Waituna Lagoon was shown to be dying from the result of massively changed water nutrient levels, the cause being dairying and its filthy practices. Yet again we got a liar and spin afficianado in the form of a Dr of some science representing Fonterra. He said yes the lagoon was polluted BUT that he was not convinced it was dairy effluent. It may not technically be effluent, it may be phosphates, who knows, who cares, the ultimate cause is dairying. And this seemingly reasonable man lied through his teeth. Again total disgust.

    What is it about those who represent those who are doing such great harm that they can stand bald faced and lie, manipulate to allow these crimes to continue? Why do we give them credence just because they hold a title of position of influence? Call them what they are, environmental rapists and murderers, recievers of stolen property. Scum.

    • Draco T Bastard 1.1

      What is it about those who represent those who are doing such great harm that they can stand bald faced and lie, manipulate to allow these crimes to continue?

      That’s what they’re paid to do and as they have no conscience, no sense of guilt, they can do so with a straight face.

  2. stever 2

    Just had to say, watched this on the Beeb, and it’s now appeared on you tube.

    It’s completely brilliant: the links between the rise of computers, the IMF, financial crises and all tied to Ayn Rand!

    • Bored 2.1

      Just watched it, more disgust at the peculiar nastiness of Rands philosophy, exemplified by her double .standards over her demanding an affair. She really was a sick puppy as are all her adherents like Greenspan.

    • Bored 2.2

      Calling all Standardistas IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE TODAY watch the movie on the link Stever provided. Watched parts again, it is a truly brilliant expose of the thinking that drives the Right.

      • ianmac 2.2.1

        A bit hard to watch as an amateur but outstanding. In the States I guess it is still why the President is powerless to make any real changes (Health?) unless the money folk let him. And in NZ, the money go round collapses so let the people suffer.
        Remember the IMF lending Vietnam huge money on condition that they abolished their community schools and health centres in exchange for a private business model. In exchange the would build huge hotels with foreign money so that they could employ locals and gain the income from the hotels. Few locals are employed and the hotel income is sent overseas to investors. Education no longer available to all and health care sparse and expensive.
        Now the IMF is giving us advice and at the same time our Govt is enabling overseas investment to buy up our land. Familiar?

        • Bored 2.2.1.1

          Following Randian logic, (individual egocentric happiness being the ultimate rational goal) the pain of others making you happy (by way of you fleecing them of cash etc) is an acceptable and logical conclusion. Greenspan is a Randian, his class care not for your happiness. It would make me happy to shoot them, Rand must therefore logically approve.

          • rosy 2.2.1.1.1

            Excellent Rand primer, thanks – Greenspan is the literal example for if you believe in nothing, you’re open to any crackpot cult out there.

    • uke 2.3

      I’d also recommend “The Trap” by the same director (Adam Curtis), about the influence of John Nash’s game theory on Milton Friedman. That’s also on Youtube.

  3. PeteG 3

    This will be making traction difficult for Labour (from the latest Herald-DigiPoll).

    Almost 60 per cent of people felt their financial situation had improved (9.2 per cent) or was much the same (50.1 per cent).

    It’s hard to argue a case when it doesn’t resonate with reality for many.

    • Pascal's bookie 3.1

      I assume that means about 91% of the population feel that they are worse off, or much the same.

      There is no particular reason why you should lump the 50.1% in with either of the groups who have noticed a change, and it would have been nice for granny to say how many people feel worse off. Looks to be about 40%. Which is quite a bit bigger than 9%, as it so happens.

      • RobC 3.1.1

        Not only don’t they give that figure, but after leading off the article with a headline about opposition to asset sales, they don’t give that figure either!

        • PeteG 3.1.1.1

          There was two articles on the poll, and you had to try and decipher incomplete numbers so yes, not well presented. I did notice “Poll to PM: Don’t sell our assets” – he’s got a bit of persuading to do. I don’t know how much of a deciding issue that will be.

          It also included under preferred prime minister:
          Hone Harawira 1.6%
          Don Brash 1.2%

          Brash has a wee way to get back to his glorious 39%.

          • Lanthanide 3.1.1.1.1

            Brash was never preferred prime minister, even when he was National party leader.

    • lprent 3.2

      Wasn’t the Herald-Digipol the one that was showing the mayoral race as being neck and neck last year? Umm yes it was.

      I think that you have a very strange idea of what constitutes reality if you think that this ratshit poll by whatis evidentially a piss poor polling company is even worth looking at. Their methodology is quite simply crap based on their results. It’s value is not worth the paper it is written on

      Now you were saying?

    • MrSmith 3.3

      I assume this was taken from the herald readers PeteG, I would only use this paper to wipe my ass or light my fire.
       
      Should we take any notice of it’s polls, No, all this poll tells us is the rich are getting richer

    • It is hard to argue a case when the reporting is so bad.  The headline should have been “only 10% have improved in the past year, vast majority either not improving or going backward”.
       
      Grrr

    • toad 3.5

      Act not only has a polling issue with only 1.7 per cent, it has a major gender issue, with no women at all supporting it in the poll.

      Bwahahahaha!!!!!

      • PeteG 3.5.1

        But Brash has 0.4% support from women in preferred PM. Strange, but it is only 3 respondents who backed him and not Act, maybe that’s indicative of the level of personal support he gave to National.

        • toad 3.5.1.1

          Or maybe they are the ones he is porking.

          • todd 3.5.1.1.1

            Now that’s a horrible horrible vision to put in my mind toad.

            We can ascribe the badly written article to a lack of quality information it’s presenting.

            Misleading, inconclusive and irrelevant!

            • McFlock 3.5.1.1.1.1

              But useful as a worst-case scenarion.

              In which case national are a hair’s-breadth from being under 50%, and they have few friends who can coalesce (would “clot” be a more appropriate word?) with them after the election.

              And we’ll see how much of a hit the govt take, especially if the “overwhelmed with RWC tourists, streets will be paved with gold” line turns out to be hype rather than reality.

      • Deborah Kean 3.5.2

        with no women at all supporting it in the poll.

        I am delighted, but not surprised… 🙂

  4. logie97 4

    Heard Graham Henry describing the skill levels of Northern Hemisphere rugby as inferior because they play “shit” rugby. Hope that doesn’t come back to bite him. He needs to remember that England alone has been in more finals than New Zealand and won it more recently. In fact the Blacks haven’t featured in a final since 1995 (16 years) and haven’t won the tournament since 1987 when it was a thrown-together tournament.

    • Bored 4.1

      Henry is a joke as are the RFU who passed over superior coaches in his favour after he had singularly failed to deliver. He needs to learn that the point of the game is to win, anyhow! Ten drop goals will always trump a couple of beautiful tries.

      • Tiger Mountain 4.1.1

        I don’t like anything much about rugby, from the conservatism it encourages in small towns to the fawned over pampered show ponies in the All Blacks. Plus, who has a weak hamstring is NOT news, yet provides 30 min per day of dirt cheap ‘content’ during TV1 and 3 news broadcasts.

        Now rugby fans can tell me if I am wrong, but if the All Blacks had to release Fijian and Samoan players (that wanted to) play for their national teams would it make the World Cup games more interesting?

        • chris73 4.1.1.1

          Now rugby fans can tell me if I am wrong, but if the All Blacks had to release Fijian and Samoan players (that wanted to) play for their national teams would it make the World Cup games more interesting?

          Not really because you have to see what positions they’re in first, for example a world class prop or lock is more use to a team then a world class winger

          You’d then have to look at the players it would apply to:
          J Kaino (A loss but countered by A Thomson)
          J Rokocoko (No loss at all)
          S Sitiveni (Coming right but theres some quality wingers in form at the moment…)
          M Muliaina (Came to NZ at age 2 so not sure it counts but theres always Cory Jane…)
          I Toeava (Again theres a log jam)

    • Pascal's bookie 4.2

      nah.

      WRCs are a lottery designed to promote the game and have a big old money spinning festival.

      Anyone placing bets on who would win a best of five test series between the ABs and any NH team would be a mug to go against the ABs.

      The idea that a coach, or a team, should be judged on WRC performances is a laugh.

      To get really parochial about it, I’d say that every other team in the comp would have their game plans all focussed on how they might beat the ABs. Whenever a country plays the ABs in the knockout strage, it really is their final; it’s the game they’ve been training for and planning on, iot’s the game they pull out all their stops and surprises.

      That is something the ABs have to deal with, and sure, they suck at it, but it’s sucking at something that is really hard. No other team has to face the focus that the ABs face, at that’s because we are stone cold the best and everyone knows it.

      The results don’t lie. Win record dominance against every single other team on the planet. End of.

      😉

    • Lanthanide 4.3

      I think those comments may have been in relation to All Blacks players moving overseas for bigger paychecks? Saying that once they’ve left NZ, left the jersey, and are just doing it for the money, they lose the real drive for the game and end up playing ‘shit’ rugby. As in, shit by that player’s usual standard, not necessarily shit by northern team standards.

      • pollywog 4.3.1

        I hope there’s a sacking clause for Carter and McCaw if they lose the rubber wool cup this time round. I will laugh so hard if Ozzy win…

      • Morrissey 4.3.2

        …lose the real drive for the game and end up playing ‘shit’ rugby. As in, shit by that player’s usual standard, not necessarily shit by northern team standards.

        That’s a really ignorant thing to say, Lanthanide. A player moving to France (if he is good enough) is going to play in the world’s best competition.

        You don’t know much about French rugby, do you?

  5. URGENT REMINDER FOLKS!!

    AUCKLAND MARCH/RALLY: Budget 2011

    12 noon, Sat 28th May,
    QE2 Square, Bottom of Queen St,
    Opposite Britomart.

    United Against Asset Sales/Cuts.
    DON’T CUT OUR FUTURE!

    From Asset sales(electricity and more), food prices to Govt cuts.Student loans and Low wages.Civilised society is under threat.

    “When good people lay idle, evil prospers”.
    Stand up NZ before it’s to late!
    Thanks
    Coalition for Social Justice.
    (members of community groups, churches, unions et al

    lease distribute to your email lists,newsletters facebook, twitter, txt and talk to your friends, groups and neighbours.
    _____________________________________________________________________________

    Will be there with the LOVELY ‘Tui BillBoard banner:

    “Our one Bra$h ACT
    is KEY to public purse Yeah right
    hehe!…..excellent………..

    (Has pictures of Don Bra$h morphing into Mr burns from the Simpsons and John Key morphing into a piggy 🙂

    __________________________________________________________________________

    PRESS STATEMENT.
    COALITION FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE
    ph:09 8366389, 021 2106720,
    Meredydd Barrar (spokesperson)

    A new group has been formed called the Coalition for Social Justice. Its aim is to organise concerns within local communities around the governments Budget proposals and their implications for ordinary New Zealanders
    .

    Spokesperson Meredydd Barrar says, “Asset sales cuts to working for families, Kiwi Saver, student loans and general austerity measures are not working in the interests of the majority of kiwis who are struggling to make ends meet.
    .
    “The Coalition is made up of members of community groups, people from religious organisations and unions. Our aim is to promote social justice.
    We are organising a MOBILISATION of ordinary Kiwis on SATURDAY 28TH MAY 12pm QE2 Square, bottom of Queen st, Auckland City (see attachment). Also more action as the election campaign develops.
    New Zealanders are angry about GST, milk prices and secret Trade deals, cuts to Early Childhood education and privatisation of electricity…Aswell as PPP’s for shcools and other public services.. l
    Meredydd Barrar, spokesperson says, “Enough is enough. Recent government announcements about cuts and a Budget that will certainly condemn the majority of New Zealanders to relative poverty is not acceptable. Children and struggling families as well as students looking to further their higher education will be penalised”.

    There is a latent anger in New Zealand at the moment. We aim to translate it into action.
    Policies of cut backs and austerity measures will increase the gap between rich and poor which is already the 6th highest in the OECD. We believe this is unacceptable and uncivilised.
    New Zealanders deserve better than an economic philosophy that only seems to make bankers, corporates and speculators richer.

    Meredydd Barrar
    Spokesperson
    ______________________________________________________________________________

  6. More cronyism on display by this Government.
     
    Turia has cut 11% of the COGS funding equating to $1.5m of the budget.  This money is paid to the voluntary sector, things like womens refuges.  The money is being diverted into four “hard to reach” communities that struggle to access support and resources.  They will each receive $375,000 a year. They will be selected through an incontestable process.
     
    Funding will go to communities in Northland, Auckland, Wellington and the lower South Island.  Obviously these communities are not geographically “hard to reach”.
     
    I wonder what groups they are?

    • Hilary 6.1

      If she did want groups to work together for a common purpose the way to do it is put out a tender and ask groups to collaborate, and evidence of successful collaboration could be part of the selection criteria. Otherwise it could be construed as giving large grants to groups that have either lobbied the loudest or are friendly to the Maori Party or Government, and that is not a good look.

      (And also takes money for some of those most grassworks organisations that are doing some of the most effective community work, and already relying largely on volunteers.)

      • Tiger Mountain 6.1.1

        Women and kids always seem to cop it when cuts are made.

        Tari is a classic ‘pork barreler’. As assoc. health minister she recently announced $12 mill had been allocated to dealing with rheumatic fever-good. But our local tory paper runs a front page story of her shaking hands with an activist GP, who says $100-150,000 p.a. “might” be the Far North share, this one being contestable among the various health providers.

        Maori Party fortunes are about to take a dip whichever way you look at it, Northland having just become marginal for the MP. Her National minders seem to be targeting the releases of such good news, despite no actual firm committment being made re the dosh. But the message readers get is that nice Mrs Turia is helping our kids.

    • Draco T Bastard 6.2

      Ah, look at that – more stupidity and I know best thinking from a minister of this psychopathic government.

  7. Draco T Bastard 8

    http://werewolf.co.nz/2011/05/funding-the-national-religion/

    A good right up on the spending of the RWC. General conclusion, don’t expect to be financially better off after the RWC although some of us, the few that watch rugby, may feel better about themselves.

    • Lanthanide 8.1

      I’m somewhat glad we won’t have any games in CHCH. Will make it a bit more pleasant.

  8. There is a scene on the programme Boston
    Legal where Alan Shore bursts into a Partner’s
    meeting as they are about to vote whether Brad
    Chase should be become partner.

    Alan Shore was incensed that his friend Jerry
    Espenson wasn’t put up for the position, he
    looked up to the podium and saw a
    cut out of Brad’s smiling face, looked at the
    partners and says something along the
    lines of “Does it always have to be that guy?”

    That got me thinking, Why is it always that guy?
    In every aspect of life, it’s always that guy.

    It is always that guy who goes to a restaurant,
    and gets the best table, and gets the best
    service, and the best piece of steak.

    It is always that guy who goes to a store in the mall, he
    gets served first, he wont get a smart alec
    shop assistant, he will get the best customer
    service possible.

    Coming back from an overseas trip, that guy will fly
    thru customs and not get picked for a routine bag
    search.

    Buying Panadol from the chemist,that guy wont get asked for
    ID, or the name of his G.P

    Getting picked first for a team, whether it be as a
    kid on the sports field, a class room assignment,
    a project at work, or on some lame reality
    show, it is always that guy.

    A group of friends having a discussion,
    people will listen to that guy first.

    If different advice is handed out to
    someone in trouble, it’s that guys
    advice they will take.

    Your on a social media site, or at a dinner
    party, it’s always that guy’s jokes that people
    will laugh the hardest at.

    If that guy’s got the slightest problem in his life
    he will almost have a army of people, giving him
    sympathy and telling him he’s special, and every
    issue in his life is blown into a war and peace novel.

    Heaven help you, if you don’t like that guy, because I’m
    afraid in life it’s all about him.

    That guy doesn’t even have any negative syndrome
    name after him, if your short you have short guy syndrome,
    if your fat you have fat guy syndrome, if your ugly you
    have ugly guy syndrome, if you write a negative blog you
    have bitter guy syndrome, if you complain about that guy
    you have jealous guy syndrome, according to
    another blogger there is a “privilege denying guy”, and
    of course there is nice guy syndrome, they are the
    worst guys of the lot apparently, but that Guy doesn’t
    have a negative syndrome because he is that guy.

    Can someone please please tell me, why does it always have
    to be that guy, or about that guy? Why is it always him?, he does
    nothing special, others do better, but its always him, isn’t it?

    Like I said this post was written from seeing an old Boston
    Legal clip, and a couple of incidents that went thru my
    head after seeing that Boston legal clip. I have never figured
    it out, that it always have to be about that guy, like I said in
    a previous post, this post is not earth shattering, its not
    powerful and has no overbearing message, I just need to
    know, why is it always about that guy, and why is it always
    that guy?

    Can someone tell me?

    • ianmac 9.1

      That guy does not offend anyone.
      Never makes a risky statement.
      Always smiles winningly.
      Is agreeable to all diverse people he meets.
      But in retrospect you remember little of what he stands for.

      So Brett Dale you can be that guy
      If you want it.
      Be good at it and you too could be
      Prime Minister!

      • Brett Dale 9.1.1

        That guy anit the prime minister, because some people hate the prime minister, hes ya mate on facebook with a 100 likes to a dumbass comment, hes the guy behind you, who gets served first, he will though look like a political when he gets older.

    • Deborah Kean 9.2

      Sometimes it’s ‘that woman/girl’. It just seems that’s the way it is! In her youth. ‘that girl’ was my sister, now it’s her daughter. “If she fell down the dunny, she’d come up with a gold watch” my Mum once said about my sister. That guy/girl has an enormous sense of entitlement that they never think about it. But often that guy/girl is a genuinely nice person! They don’t know or see that they’re lucky – and lucky is all it is. They think everyone could be as lucky as they are if they ‘didn’t have a chip on (your) shoulder’ or if ‘(they) worked harder’. There’s no point in getting angry with that guy/girl, they can’t see why you’re angry with them. My friend and I call them ‘the Golden Ones’ (which has nothing to do with their colouring!)

  9. todd 10

    More Effluent from Dairy NZ

    http://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2011/05/more-effluent-from-dairy-nz.html

    You might be aware that New Zealand has run an extensive worldwide campaign saying we’re 100% Pure, which has cost us millions of dollars. This claim is of course untrue. 90% of our low land River’s and 50% of our lakes are highly polluted. You’re likely to be afflicted with sickness if you swim or drink from these polluted waters, something John Key is not aware of as exposed in this BBC Hardtalk interview. Talk about being divorced from reality.

    • ianmac 10.1

      The tobacco industry staved off responsibility for decades by deflecting causative effects.
      The global warming deniers deflect responsibility by claiming other than man causes.
      The dairy industry deflect responsibility by doubting that the lagoon failure is caused by dairy pollution.
      Until now dairy owners didn’t know what the effects or strategies needed are to mitigate or prevent. What? You and I have known for decades that runoff is a serious problem. Go and drink in Lake Rotorua! But according to CEO Dr Mackle that only now will the dairy farmers will know what standards are required. Oh really!

      And Dr Smith seemed to be blaming the local authority. Aha! So if I speed excessively its not my fault. The traffic officer is to blame for not stopping me. Naughty traffic officer!

  10. todd 11

    Not too political I hope: Friday Fun with Photos #2

    http://thejackalman.blogspot.com/2011/05/friday-fun-with-photos-2.html

    Now I know the British Prime Minister David Cameron was figuratively in bed with the Yanks, but I never knew he swung both ways. And who would have thought that the President of the United States Barack Obama was conducive to a bit of policy persuasion of the sexual kind. Get a room you guys.

  11. Pascal's bookie 12

    I’m guessing Aucklanders will be hearing more and more about this as times goes on…

    http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/someone-has-to-be-accountable-for-this/

    They should anyways. Auckland based Labour mps should be all over this.

    300 million dollars.

    For decisions the ATA made and then handed to Council to implement.

    Auckland’s Nat mps should be harrassed about this in the local rags and on the hustings non stop.

    Who knew, who signed off, why didn’t you listen to the nay sayers, why didn’t you tell anyone about the real cost?

    I’m guessing Aucklanders care about rates yeah?

    Slaughter them.

    • Draco T Bastard 12.1

      The thing is that we always knew it was going to cost far more than Rodney Hide or any of his flunkies in the ATA said. I’m pretty sure that we weren’t expecting this much though.

      I think that central government should cover the costs – they dumped it on us without us asking for it after all. Or, even better, directly bill National, Act, the Maori Party and United Future. If they’re held accountable for their decisions we may find that they’ll make better ones in the future.

      • Pascal's bookie 12.1.1

        Epsom tax?

      • lprent 12.1.2

        I’m pretty sure that we weren’t expecting this much though.

        I was. Joining 5 dog control databases is a pain. But joining 5 different mapping systems for multiple services is a hair tearing nightmare.

        I’m more surprised that it wasn’t more than 500 million or so.

        • Pascal's bookie 12.1.2.1

          Well the 300 million is just what hasn’t been budgeted yet, the total is about 500m.

  12. PeteG 13

    This must be furrowing a few Labour brows, campaign manager for what? Personal tiffs?

    A whale of a challenge.

  13. randal 14

    well the wisonsin import rebstock is being taken seriously now. beenit is about to create a very scary underclass in this country and nobody is worried about it at all.
    funny thing is every person on a benefit I know is rooting for any other team but the allblacks in the world cup. rugby people better think about that. the tribe has spoken.

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