3 News polls mums and dads

Written By: - Date published: 12:15 pm, August 10th, 2012 - 43 comments
Categories: national, polls, Privatisation - Tags: , ,

3 News had a standard political poll out this week, which has been covered elsewhere. It’s always worth waiting for the second day story with a 3 News poll – the day after the main event they have a piece on some of the secondary questions that they asked the punters. This time it was on our intentions with respect to buying our own assets:

Poll: Few Kiwis likely to purchase assets

New 3 News Reid Research poll results show few New Zealanders are putting their hands up to buy shares in the partial asset sales. … The Government wants the first asset sale, Mighty River Power, to go ahead by November.

So 3 News asked voters in our latest poll, will you buy shares:
17 percent said it was very likely
26 percent said they did not know
57 percent said no, they won’t

“Most New Zealanders don’t have spare cash hanging around and won’t be able to buy shares,” says Green Party leader Russel Norman.

17 percent is not high, and even fewer will go through with it, likely all dyed-in-the-wool tories anyway. The asset sales are not going to create the shareholding society that the Nats sometimes use as an excuse for flogging of our assets. Aussie mums and dads might do all right out of this, but the vast majority of Kiwi ones are going to get shafted with higher power prices and nothing else.

43 comments on “3 News polls mums and dads”

  1. Lanthanide 1

    Pity they didn’t ask “why or why not”.

  2. Cnut 2

    All dye-in-the-wool tories?

    I wonder how many Labour MPs will buy shares if they become available.

    I’m certainly not a dyed-in-the-wool tory and don’t support asset sales but if they are sold I’m up for as many as I can get because I can’t see anything to be gained by not doing so, and at least the ones I get WILL be held by a mom-and-dad New Zealander rather than some fund manager’s portfolio as are my Contact shares still – and I wouldn’t condemn any Labour MP for taking the same decision.

    • bbfloyd 2.1

      You may not be a “dyed in the wool tory”, but you still play their silly games… How stupid do you think people are?

      Or are you such a tory that the intellect required to fathom how easily your reactionary posturing can be seen through is missing?

      Tip for the intellectually challenged…. speculating on the behavior of labour mp’s at the first opportunity(relevant or not)is a dead giveaway when it comes to spotting a “dyed in the wool” mossbacked tory…..

    • Fortran 2.2

      Cnut

      Every Kiwisaver will have a share. The Fund Managers cannot wait to get their hands on every share available to them.
      They consider that the partial SOE’s are a good long term investment for their members I’m told.

  3. shorts 3

    I’d suggest there’s a good % of chardonnay socialists who won’t be turning their noses up at the share float

    how many Labour MPs do you think will grab a chunk?

    • bbfloyd 3.1

      how boring shorty…. you are as obvious as cnutty above…..Do you tories have no imagination whatever? Or is smugness and self importance a positive trait in toryland(fantasyland to the uninformed)…?

      • shorts 3.1.1

        I’m no tory thank you very much bbfloyd and am insulted by your allegation, but will discount it as you don’t know me

        I’m not smug, I am concerned that some within the so called left wing party will partake in the supposed windfalls of the partial privatisation of our assets – which is of course their right… but one most of us poor working stiffs a) can’t afford and b) don’t want to happen in the first place

        sorry if I startled your high horse

      • Cnut 3.1.2

        Fact: subject to it stacking up as a sensible investment I intend purchasing a tranche of Mighty River Power shares should they become available.

        Fact: I have never voted for any “right-wing” party in my life.

        Therefore Fact: not all asset-sales shares will go to “dyed-in-the-wool” Tories.

        Comment is free, bbfloyd, but as the Guardian maintains: “facts are sacred.”

        To comment on your points – though it isn’t clear to me what they actually are – I have some money to invest. I’m not sure if that offends you in itself (and I would argue it doesn’t make me a tory whether I want to be one or not) and if it does what you think I should do about it (make sure I spend all my income when it arrives on ‘things’ whether I need them or not, or on booze or on the biggest mortgage I can support or on horses or ladies or whatever so that I’m always broke by next payday?) but the fact is I have some money to invest and the Government, stupidly in my opinion, might be offering me an opportunity to invest in Mighty River Power.

        On the face of it, it looks to be a good investment: secure, likely to grow and with a moderate income stream – but that’s my opinion, not fact. I suspect the Government will offer it at the low end of its valuation, in part to try make it attractive to ‘mums and dads’ investors like me and in part to avoid getting egg on its face with a Facebook-type float fiasco, which to me makes it look an even better investment. Plus the idiot Goverment is even offering me a bonus for doing something I would probably do anyway which makes what looks like a good investment look even better. Of course I’ve still to look through the Prospectus and the Government has still to pursuade me that Maori claims to water aren’t going to be a problem but subject to that it looks to me to be a sensible investment – and sensible investments in New Zealand are pretty rare beasts as anyone who invested in Hanover et al will tell you.

        Now, the New Zealand Labour Party could tomorrow stop me – and I suspect a great many people – from considering partaking of this sale by announcing that as soon as it is back in power it will re-nationalise all New Zealand power companies and run them as I believe they should be run – as a single, integrated system and as a common public utility at cost. Do I hear any such announcement from the Labour Party?

        If I chose not to invest in these assets sales would it stop them? Would it in fact have any impact on them whatsoever? Would anyone even notice? Sure if the NZ Labour Party was organising a boycott of the share issue I would sign up to and, say, promise not to buy any shares if, say 70% of New Zealanders made the same promise (for whatever reason) which boycott would have a meaningful effect on the sale. Is the New Zealand Labour Party doing any such thing?

        As for smugness – well, that’s your perception and there’s nothing I can do about your perceptions. As for fantasyland- well, all the above seems pretty hard-headed to me but by all means point out to me what you believe I am fantasising about – if you can pursuade me you would be doing me a favour, and that’s a fact.

        • McFlock 3.1.2.1

          If I were in a bar in a corrupt country and someone offered me goods I knew were stolen, I could use your excuses:
             
          If I didn’t buy their goods, they’d still keep thieving, they’d just sell to someone else. Me refusing to buy the stolen items would have no impact on the crime rate whatsoever.I’d make a reasonable amount of money on the deal if I bought them at that price. The cops/militia won’t do anything, even if I complain. If 70% of potential customers refused an called the cops, I’d join in and have an impact, but there isn’t. 
                          
          But the fact is, even if nobody else on the planet cared, I’d still know that I’d bought stolen goods. To me, that’s always been the dividing line between “tory” and “lefty or liberal”. The tory asks “can I get away with it, and if I can what other reason is there for me not to use it to my advantage?” whereas the lefty goes “this is wrong. I will not do it or put up with it”.
               
          I’ve always thought it mildly humourous that many tories who believe in individual responsibility actually look to their community for moral boundaries, and it’s the so-called ‘collectivists’ who draw their moral compass from within (or at the very least an individual connection with a magic book). 

          • Cnut 3.1.2.1.1

            Explain to me how buying shares in a state-owned asset equates to buying “stolen goods”?

            The state on behalf of the tax-payer holds assets which (for example) returns a dividend of $10 million a year to the public purse. If the state wanted it could tell the managers of the asset to forget a return and simply provide the good – say electricity – at cost. Or order the managers to show a profit of $20 million a year. All three decisions are political ones.

            An asset with a reliable dividend stream of $10 million a year would have a capital value of, say, $200 million. If the state on behalf of the taxpayer decides to sell it for $200 million and spend it on schools, hospitals, roads, Blackhawk helicopters, conference centres in Twizel or bidding for the 2018 Winter Olympics that, too, is a political decision which our democratic system – love it or hate it – permits and for which the Government is answerable at the ballot box.

            Through the medium of the state I would be buying from the taxpayer of New Zealand a small share in a power company, and paying the taxpayer real money for it. Will I be getting a bargain? Probably, if previous Goverment sales are anything to go by, but is that my fault? Will the Government fritter it away on over-expensive, badly-designed, and pointless pet projects? Probably, if previous Governments gaining windfalls is anything to go by. Is that my fault? I didn’t vote for this Government, after all. Is it my job to save this idiot Government from itself? But would I be buying stolen goods? Not in my book.

            Oh, and FWIW I believe New Zealand’s electricity generation industry should be run on a non-profit basis as a public good.

            • Draco T Bastard 3.1.2.1.1.1

              Explain to me how buying shares in a state-owned asset equates to buying “stolen goods”?

              They’re being sold against the will of the owners, i.e, stolen.

              • aerobubble

                A financial company went belly up. The board decide to sell to another financial company and got
                all those who were owed money to sign up for the deal. Thus the board managed to create consent and so distance themselves from accusations of inappropriate management. This is no different
                from what Key has done, he said he’ll sell them, Labour didn’t sell its wears very well, and so
                Key scrapped into power. Our very democracy is corrupt, the shonkey way governments can
                rush and sell, is mere tip of the per-verbal.

                The global market failure will continue until we redress the ease to which politicians can
                run amok with power. Look at each of the countries under stress, all in EU, US, etc.
                Starting with Iceland where they let a few unaccountable run the banking industry into a joke.
                Or Greece where politicians with no backbone don’t collect the taxes of its people.
                Or Spain, developer madness. Or the UK, ground zero for Thatcher’s revolution. Os
                the US, where printing money is fun, and Congress is full of twits.

                This is one of the generational political population collapses, ridiculed out of office when the
                people get fed up with all the lying, corruption and incompetence.

            • Tracey 3.1.2.1.1.2

              Being stolen is not the point, the point is being made about ethics. Where people’s ethics sit on any given issue. Mr Key claimed his ethics were high when in opposition, particularly in relation to MP and ministerial standard. They dropped a long long way once that lie was bought by the public. Did he do anything illegal in changing his mind? Nope, no law broken. Doesn’t mean t’s ok?

              The law sets the lowest acceptable stand not the highest as some like to believe.

              In the end cnut I think the point being made is that you say you only vote left wing parties, you say you think the companies should be held for the public good but when it comes down to it you see an opportunity for a windfall for yourself and that trumps your principle. It’s your right to do so but I think some here are just pointing out the anomaly.

              • McFlock

                Nicely put.
                         
                Not sure it computes in someone’s head, though. 
                     
                Participation =  acceptance. Which means that actions speak louder than dull platitudes of what cnut would like to see.

                • Herodotus

                  So will the be a ground swell of Kiwisaver providers to disclose that they intend/have purchased shares in any of the SOE being sold off ? There is an opportunity for a provider to say that they WILL NOT buy any and be open to those who oppose such sales to switch providers. Then imagine how that would resinate within the industry? Having an “ethical” investor. Something that the Greens IMO could champion. Because in many aspects the Red team = the Blue team

                  • McFlock

                    I wish. Not hopeful though.
                         
                    Although if the Greens said they’d renationalise at purchase price, I might actually vote for them.  

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Although if the Greens said they’d renationalise at purchase price less costs incurred by the Government

                      This is a bit better. It would mean that we get the fees from the merchant banks, consultants etc. back.

        • weka 3.1.2.2

          I have some money to invest. I’m not sure if that offends you in itself (and I would argue it doesn’t make me a tory whether I want to be one or not) and if it does what you think I should do about it (make sure I spend all my income when it arrives on ‘things’ whether I need them or not, or on booze or on the biggest mortgage I can support or on horses or ladies or whatever so that I’m always broke by next payday?)
           

          You could instead invest the money ethically.

          • Cnut 3.1.2.2.1

            “You could instead invest the money ethically.”

            This pre-supposes an objective ‘ethics’ of investment. Personally I hold no shares in any bank or the likes of Goldman Sachs and would never invest in the likes of Monsanto, Lockheed Martin or G4S for example. I don’t hold any tobacco company shares and am undecided about the big pharmaceuticals. On the other hand anyone with a pension fund – including Kiwisaver – is probably invested in companies I would not feel comfortable holding personally.

            I don’t feel that a power generator produces something the world would be better without, nor abuses a monopoly position, but although I don’t agree with the sale of these assets politically and think it’s a mistake for the Government to sell them on sheer economic grounds I don’t feel that imposes an ethical responsibility on me not to buy shares if they are offered any more than I would refuse to drive on a road I consider a waste of public money to have built, not go to a rugby match at a flash, quite unnecessary and over-costly sporting venue imposed on rate-payers by an ‘over-enthusiastic’ local council, nor even attend a conference at a plush centre paid for by slot-machines.

            • Carol 3.1.2.2.1.1

              Or you could do like some of us, stop trying to get some money from doing nothing but lodging your savings somewhere, and just keep your money in the bank.

              • Colonial Viper

                but lodging your savings somewhere, and just keep your money in the bank.

                Co-operative bank or KiwiBank please.

            • weka 3.1.2.2.1.2

              “This pre-supposes an objective ‘ethics’ of investment.”
               
              No it doesn’t. It presupposes that you asked what we thought you could do with the excess money you have.
               
              It seems you have no ethical problem with making a profit from actions that you consider unethical. That’s fine, your own ethics are your own problem. I’m just pointing out you have a choice and could do something for the greater good as well as your own personal good. Talk of objective ethics is just a semantic distraction.

  4. Draco T Bastard 4

    The asset sales are not going to create the shareholding society that the Nats sometimes use as an excuse for flogging of our assets.

    But it will create the shareholding society that they actually want. A few people with shares and everyone else living in poverty and dependence as their servants.

  5. Dr Terry 5

    Given the amount of support still enjoyed by National, one has to wonder how genuine voters are in their “protest” about asset sales? Clearly, numbers who complain are getting themselves ready to pounce upon them given the chance! As usual with human kind, self-interest comes to the fore.

    I note that Russell Norman is selected here for quotation, as usual it is not Labour! Indeed, the Greens are a viable alternative!!

  6. McFlock 6

    giggle. 
       
    If 3news polls mums&dads, does that make it a bi-3news 3-way? Because with the asset sales, 93% of the population are being fucked.
           
     

  7. DropDead 7

    Meh. The majority of New Zealanders will likely own shares through Kiwisaver and incidentally the Superfund. Not only that but all New Zealanders will retain majority ownership of the assets. Contrast this with Victoria which privatised power generation in the 1990s or plans underway in NSW where state-owned power generator companies are to be privatised most likely via sales to preferred bidders, some of which will be offshore companies.

    Viva the revolution comrades.

    • bbfloyd 7.1

      specious oversimplification is just that…. and adding self serving assumptions to the mix doesn’t make up for that….. it just makes you irrelevant….

      it’s a good day for lampooning tories today…. lots of half wit dogwhistles sounding off….

    • Colonial Viper 7.2

      Meh. The majority of New Zealanders will likely own shares through Kiwisaver

      Rubbish. Today, EVERY New Zealander owns the assets EQUALLY.

      Which is what you greedy grasping Tories hate.

    • Ed 7.3

      I suspect that since Kiwisaver funds do not qualify for the bonus shares, they may well decide that they are not worth buying at this stage, but may be worth buying once those shares have been issued and a lot of smaller investors seek to sell.

      Kiwisaver funds are of course mainly held as retirement savings by “Mums and Dads” – just those not able to afford to buy directly. That may be the reason they are being discriminated against for the bonus shares.

    • mike e 7.4

      Victorian power companies are going bust because they burn coal.Likewise NSW. the majority of Australias power is genrated by coal fired power stations.

    • Fisiani 7.5

      Most posters on here will buy shares. Virtually all however will fail to admit doing so.
      Despite being socialists I concede that many are otherwise intelligent. Pity that they will post one thing and then do another.
      I intend to buy shares. So will my Kiwisaver Fund and so will the Superannuation Fund and the ACC.

  8. Linen 8

    “57 percent said no, they won’t”

    This might be because:

    1. They can’t afford to, or
    2. They can afford to but believe their money would be better invested elsewhere, or
    3. They can afford to but are so opposed to the philosophy of the sales that they feel being a part of it would be a betrayal of their principles despite the possible financial gains.

    A break-down of that 57% would be interesting but I suspect by far the greatest majority would be in catagory 1, in which case a useful follow-up question would have been; “Would you buy shares if you had the spare cash?”

    • Colonial Viper 8.1

      Well its a particularly vacuous and useless follow up question as those NZers already own the assets.

    • mike e 8.2

      Dirty Linen good spin maybe we could just ask every body if they think asset sales are a good idea.
      like other poles have which show around 60 tu 70% say NO!

  9. tracey 9

    he will say … well we tried but if folks dont want the shares….

  10. Herodotus 10

    I hope all those attacking mums and dads buy shares individually will also act by changing their pension provider should their kiwisaver findalso buy power shares .

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      better just to nail this Tory govt to the cross and renationalise

      • Herodotus 10.1.1

        Unfortunately there will be 1-2 power generators that will have a more “diverse” ownership.
        I am still taken back as to the main reason to keep these SOE 100% government owned. IMO these companies should be merged into 1, this allowing an integrated power generation policy and that new generation can be managed for the countries best interest. Not what will make the most money or at the lowest cost.
        It should be 1 power coy working for NZ. Not many making the most for their investors.

  11. OneTrack 11

    “57 percent said no, they won’t” buy shares. – And they wont accept the 7 billion dollars cash received from the partial asset sales? Oh wait…..

    • Crashcart 11.1

      Is that $7billion or $5 billion or $10 billion? Oh wait thats right is a complete guess as to what is going to be made. Also I didn’t realise the government was divying that money up and handing it out. I thought they were just taking and selling the assets off to spend on real important stuff like funtion centres in Chch and refurbishing diplomatic residences. Of course not enough money to increase paid perental leave.

    • Tracey 11.2

      How will they accept it onetrack? Does it come by mail as a cheque or is it direct creditted to our accounts?

      When the money has gone, and it will be gone quickly, what is the plan B for moving our economy along? We won’t have regular and reliable dividends to bank on…

  12. Tracey 12

    Notice how quickly the govt backed down on the cut to diplomatic posts, no surprise that there are high level career bureaucrats amongst them and never forget the former MPs… We were told there was too much opposition, not that the idea was wrong… What alot of power those 36 or so diplomats who ran to wellington to protest have…

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    Dr. Christopher Labos and Jonathan Jarry discuss the recent Canadian fluoride/IQ research. They provide an expert analysis of the paper and its problems. Click on image to go to podcast. The critical debate about the recent ...
    6 days ago
  • Climate Change: Australia in denial
    Australia is burning down again, and meanwhile its natural disaster minister is denying climate change:Australia’s minister responsible for drought and natural disasters, David Littleproud, has said that he doesn’t “know if climate change is manmade”. Clarifying earlier comments that the question is “irrelevant” when considering the Coalition government’s response to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Philippines activist speaking on the Duterte tyranny
    Auckland Philippines Solidarity is excited to host Professor Judy Taguiwalo for a speaking tour of NZ in September. She is a well-known activist in the Philippines and was a political prisoner under the Marcos dictatorship. Professor Taguiwalo briefly served as a Cabinet member under President Duterte but was forced from ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Disgust
    I have no special insights to offer on the Labour sexual assault coverup. All I have is disgust. Disgust that an organisation could fail its people so badly. Disgust that they punished the victims rather than the perpetrator. Disgust that its party hacks are apparently blaming the victims for demanding ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Speak Up for Women calls out Greens’ censorship
    This open letter to the Green Party was penned after an opinion piece by Jill Abigail, a feminist and founding member of the party, was censored by the Greens’ leadership. (Redline has reprinted her article here).The intolerance of the Green Party leaders and their acceptance of the misogyny of gender ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    6 days ago
  • Member’s Day: End of Life Choice, part 3
    Today is a Member's day, and David Seymour's End of Life Choice Bill continues its slow crawl through its committee stage. They're spending the whole day on it today, though the first hour is likely to be spent on voting left over from last time. After that they'll move on ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    6 days ago
  • Flight to Los Angeles turned back after passengers decide they don’t want to go anymore
    An ambitious plan to fly to Los Angeles petered out into a brief sight-seeing trip and a desire to return home and get some sleep before work tomorrow. Air New Zealand has confirmed a flight to Los Angeles last night was turned back about a quarter of the way into ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • Indigenous Futures: defuturing and futuring – an analytical framework for policy development?
    There appears to be consensus – by omission – that the concept of indigenous futures should be accepted at face value. So I scavenged the internet to see if I could locate an academic descriptor or a framework around how we think about it as a concept, and whether it ...
    EllipsisterBy Ellipsister
    6 days ago
  • Cadbury rumoured to be releasing the Pineapple Trump
    Here’s another novelty chocolate to shove in your gob, New Zealand Cadbury could be seeking to make itself great again with a rumoured new release: Pineapple Trumps, a spin on its classic chocolate-encased pineapple treat and do-it-yourself tooth remover. The global confectionery manufacturer and bumbling “before” character in an infomercial, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    6 days ago
  • The coming resource war.
    During my time in the Pentagon I had the privilege of sitting down with military leaders and defence and security officials from a variety of Latin American nations. Sometimes I was present as a subordinate assistant to a senior US defence department official, sometimes as part of a delegation that ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    7 days ago
  • Māori Language Week with The Civilian
    Kia ora, Aotearoa. It’s that magical time of year. Te Wiki o te Reo Māori. In English, the week that frightens talk radio. As you probably know by now, all your favourite media outlets are participating, some more successfully than others. Stuff has changed its name to Puna for the ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    7 days ago
  • Will Horizons act on climate change?
    Local body elections are coming up next month. And it looks like all Palmerston North candidates for Horizons (the Manawatu-Whanganui Regional Council) want to take action on climate change:Climate change is set to be a key issue in Palmerston North for the next three years if those wanting to get ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • BORA reform is stalled
    Eighteen months ago, the government promised to strengthen the Bill of Rights Act, by explicitly affirming the power of the courts to issue declarations of inconsistency and requiring Parliament to formally respond to them. So how's that going? I was curious, so I asked for all advice about the proposal. ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Corbyn and Brexit
    As the Brexit saga staggers on, the focus is naturally enough on the Prime Minister and his attempts to achieve Brexit “do or die”. But the role played by the Leader of the Opposition is of almost equal interest and complexity. The first problem for Jeremy Corbyn is that he ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    7 days ago
  • A ditch for him to die in
    Last week, English Prime Minister Boris Johnson boldly declared that he would rather die be dead in a ditch than delay Brexit. Unfortunately for him, the UK parliament accepted the challenge, and promptly dug one for him. The "rebellion bill" requires him to ask for and secure yet another temporary ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago
  • Warning! Warning! Danger Jacinda Ardern! Danger Marama Davidson! Warning!
    Lost In Political Space: The most important takeaway from this latest Labour sexual assault scandal, which (if I may paraphrase Nixon’s White House counsel’s, John Dean’s, infamous description of Watergate) is “growing like a cancer” on the premiership, is the Labour Party organisation’s extraordinary professional paralysis in the face of ...
    7 days ago
  • Union solidarity with Ihumatao land occupation
    by Daphna Whitmore Every Sunday for the past two months unionists from First Union, with supporters from other unions, have set out to the Ihumatao land protest, put up gazebos and gas barbeques, and cooked food for a few hundred locals and supporters who have come from across the country. ...
    RedlineBy Daphna
    1 week ago
  • Climate Change: The wrong kind of trees?
    Newsroom today has an excellent, in-depth article on pine trees as carbon sinks. The TL;DR is that pine is really good at soaking up carbon, but people prefer far-less efficient native forests instead. Which is understandable, but there's two problems: firstly, we've pissed about so long on this problem that ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • No freedom of speech in Turkey
    Canan Kaftancioglu is a Turkish politician and member of the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP). Like most modern politicians, she tweets, and uses the platform to criticise the Turkish government. She has criticised them over the death of a 14-year-old boy who was hit by a tear gas grenade during ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Speaker: Tadhg Stopford: Why I’m standing for the ADHB
    Hi there, just call me Tim.We face tough problems, and I’d like to help, because there are solutions.An Auckand District Health Board member has nominated me for as a candidate for the ADHB, because her MS-related pain and fatigue is reduced with hemp products from Rotorua.  Nothing else helped her. If I ...
    1 week ago
  • Good little vassals
    The Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security has published their report on whether the SIS and GCSB had any complicity in American torture. And its damning. The pull quote is this:The Inquiry found both agencies, but to a much greater degree, the NZSIS, received many intelligence reports obtained from detainees who, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    1 week ago
  • Who Shall We Turn To When God, And Uncle Sam, Cease To Defend New Zealand?
    Bewhiskered Cassandra? Professor Hugh White’s chilling suggestion, advanced to select collections of academic, military and diplomatic Kiwi experts over the course of the past week, is that the assumptions upon which Australia and New Zealand have built their foreign affairs and defence policies for practically their entire histories – are ...
    1 week ago
  • The Politics of Opposition
    For most of the time I was a British MP, my party was out of government – these were the Thatcher years, when it was hard for anyone else to get a look-in. As a front-bencher and shadow minister, I became familiar with the strategies required in a parliamentary democracy ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    1 week ago
  • More expert comments on the Canadian fluoride-IQ paper
    The Green et al (2019) fluoride/IQ is certainly controversial – as would be expected from its subject (see If at first you don’t succeed . . . statistical manipulation might help and Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear). Anti-fluoride campaigners have been actively promoting it ...
    1 week ago
  • The return to guerrilla war in Colombia
    by Gearóid Ó Loingsigh On August 29th a video in which veteran FARC (Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia) commander Iván Márquez announced that they had taken up arms again was released. There was no delay in the reaction to it, from longtime Liberal Party figure and former president Uribe, for ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    1 week ago
  • Air New Zealand identifies this enormous plot of unused land as possible second airport site
    Air New Zealand couldn’t believe its luck that this seemingly ideal piece of real estate had so far gone entirely unnoticed. Air New Zealand’s search for a site to build a second Auckland Airport may have made a breakthrough this afternoon, after employees scanning Google satellite imagery spotted a huge, ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    1 week ago
  • Redline on the Labour Party
    No-one on the anti-capitalist left in this country today puts forward a case that Labour is on the side of the working class.  There are certainly people who call themselves ‘socialist’ who do, but they are essentially liberals with vested interests in Labourism – often for career reasons. Nevertheless, there ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • New Fisk
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Labour’s failure
    When National was in government and fucking over the poor for the benefit of the rich, foodbanks were a growth industry. And now Labour is in charge, nothing has changed: A huge demand for emergency food parcels means the Auckland City Mission is struggling to prepare for the impending arrival ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Ardern attempts to vaccinate Clarke Gayford live on television to prove that it’s safe
    Gayford, pictured here on The Project, before things got wildly out of control. A bold public relations move by the Government to encourage parents to vaccinate their children has gone horribly wrong. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern appeared on tonight’s episode of Three’s The Project, where the plan was for her ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Has Mr. Whippy gone too far by parking on our front lawns?
    Mr. Whippy’s business model has driven it down a dark road of intimidation. Residents in major centres around the country are becoming disgruntled by the increasingly aggressive actions of purported ice cream company Mr. Whippy, who have taken to parking on people’s front lawns and doorsteps in a desperate attempt ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Cleaning up the water
    Today the government released its Action Plan for Healthy Waterways, aimed at cleaning up our lakes and rivers. Its actually quite good. There will be protection for wetlands, better standards for swimming spots, a requirement for continuous improvement, and better standards for wastewater and stormwater. But most importantly, there's a ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Fronting up
    Today I appeared before the Environment Committee to give an oral submission on the Zero Carbon Bill. Over 1,500 people have asked to appear in person, so they've divided into subcommittees and are off touring the country, giving people a five minute slot each. The other submitters were a mixed ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Politics of science – making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear
    Anti-fluoride activists have some wealthy backers – they are erecting billboards misrepresenting the Canadian study on many New Zealand cities – and local authorities are ordering their removal because of their scaremongering. Many New Zealanders ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Democracy – I Don’t Think So
    So, those who “know best” have again done their worst. While constantly claiming to be the guardians of democracy and the constitution, and respecters of the 2016 referendum result, diehard Remainers (who have never brought themselves to believe that their advice could have been rejected) have striven might and main ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Government says it will now build just one really nice home
    Following publication of this article, the Ministry has requested it to be noted that this supplied image is not necessarily representative of what the final house will look like, and it “probably won’t be that nice.” As part of today’s long-anticipated reset of the Government’s flagship KiwiBuild policy, Housing Minister ...
    The CivilianBy admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Imperialism and your cup of coffee
    Over the next week or two we will be running three synopses of parts of the opening chapter of John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st Century (New York, Monthly Review Press, 2016).  The synopsis and commentary below is written by Phil Duncan. Marx began Capital not with a sweeping historical ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • Still juking the stats
    The State Services Commission and Ombudsman have released another batch of OIA statistics, covering the last six months. Request volumes are up, and the core public service is generally handling them within the legal timeframe, though this may be because they've learned to extend rather than just ignore things. And ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Hard News: Time for a New Deal: 25 years on
    In 1994, I was editing an ambitious street mag called Planet, from a fabled office at at 309 Karangahape Road. The thirteenth issue of the magazine was published in the winter of that year and its cover embodied a particularly ambitious goal: the end of cannabis prohibition.I wanted to do ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Not impressed
    KiwiBuild was one of the Ardern government's core policies. The government would end the housing crisis and make housing affordable again by building 100,000 new homes. Of course, it didn't work out like that: targets weren't met, the houses they did build were in the wrong place, and the whole ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • Solar beats coal
    As the climate crisis escalates, it is now obvious that we need to radically decarbonise our economy. The good news is that its looking easy and profitable for the energy sector. Wind is already cheaper than fossil fuels, and now solar is too:The levellised cost of solar PV has fallen ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago
  • A Step Too Far.
    A Crown Asset? For reasons relating to its own political convenience, the Crown pretends to believe that “No one owns the water.” To say otherwise would re-vivify the promises contained in the Treaty of Waitangi – most particularly those pertaining to the power of the chiefs and their proprietary rights ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Where Money Comes From
    Most people would say, no doubt, that they have a pretty good idea of what money is. They live with the reality of money every day. It is what is needed to buy the necessities of life and to maintain a decent standard of living. You get money, they would ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    2 weeks ago
  • Banned by the Green Party leadership: Jill Abigail on women’s rights and trans rights
    The article below was an opinion piece that appeared in the Spring 2019 issue of Te Awa (the NZ Green Party’s newsletter) and on the Greens website.  In keeping with their policy of hostility to women defending women’s right to female-only spaces, Green bureaucrats have since removed the opinion piece.  ...
    RedlineBy Admin
    2 weeks ago
  • The fallacy of the proximity argument.
    Longer term readers may remember my complaining that, as a political scientist, it is burdensome to have non-political scientists wanting to engage me about politics. No layperson would think to approach an astrophysicist and lecture him/her on the finer details of quarks and black holes, but everybody with an opinion ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    2 weeks ago
  • Where We Stood: Chris Trotter Replies To Stevan Eldred-Grigg.
    Joining The Fight: Stevan Eldred-Grigg's argument for New Zealand staying out of the Second World War fails not only on the hard-headed grounds of preserving the country’s strategic and economic interests; and not just on the soft-hearted grounds of duty and loyalty to the nation that had given New Zealand ...
    2 weeks ago
  • Universities back the climate strike
    On September 27, School Strike 4 Climate will be striking for a future to pressure the government for meaningful climate action. This time, they've asked adults to join them. And now, Lincoln University and Victoria University of Wellington have signed on:Victoria University of Wellington has joined Lincoln University in endorsing ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 weeks ago

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