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Open mike 31/08/2011

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  1. Matthew Hooton 1

    So, what about that Fairfax poll then?

    • chris73 1.1

      I thought you’d know that the only poll that counts is on election night

      (Just thought I’d save a bunch of people the time by typing it myself)

      • tc 1.1.1

        How about those adidas AB jersey prices or that telecom wanting to connect us all or the many 08 promises from sideshow John etc etc A herald poll is about as objective as their journalism, you know the stuff they actually have to think and write not rehashed output from other outlets.
        But then in true follow the leader style you’ll always have another opinion that suits your agenda, like lawyers and environmental experts.

    • Scotty 1.2

      You mean the one that totals 116% , yeah I noticed that to.

    • The Voice of Reason 1.3

      Yeah, it’s devastating for ACT, thanks for pointing that out Matthew. 1.1% under Don Brash’s leadership. Still, John Banks won’t be lonely as their only MP, because he’s just a National puppet anyway.

    • marsman 1.4

      Hollow Hooton, Brash’s yappy poodle.

    • Morrissey 1.5

      How much money did the Brethren give you?

    • swordfish 1.6

      Matthew “Boom Boom” Hooton:

      As I’ve said time and again, the Fairfax polls have an historic tendency toward Right-Wing bias. At the last Election, most of the final polls (Colmar-Brunton, TV3-TNS, Herald-Digi) got the Nat-Labour percentage point gap about right (11 points). Fairfax had the gap at a whopping 18 points.

  2. Tiger Mountain 2

    While National cohorts–Māori Party, United Future and ACT are all cellar dwellers in this one, I maintain these polls are bent. “Fearfacts” papers day after day lead with a “no hope for Labour” head indicating the views of their owners.

    The “Hollow Men” will have nothing on what is being thrown at this election by the tory right.

    • chris73 2.1

      Who knows maybe the Greens will cut a deal with National afterall I doubt many thought the Maori party would go with National

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.1

        There is potential for the Greens to do that, but the leadership would have to be willing to face the potential of massive defections and opprobrium from their activists and core membership.

        The tired old arguments of “we can do more from within Cabinet” etc. will be trotted out again.

        • McFlock 2.1.1.1

          yeah – much as the blue-greens might like to do it, the lesson of the Maori Party is pretty solid.

          • Jim Nald 2.1.1.1.1

            If blue-green after Nov 2011, a positive aspect for Labour would be more red votes in 2014.

            • Ianupnorth 2.1.1.1.1.1

              Do you really think Green will jump in with blue? fat chance.

              • Jim Nald

                For NZ’s future, I personally hope Norman doesn’t pull a Cleggy.

                • swordfish

                  Can’t remember the exact figures, but didn’t a poll of Green voters a few months back suggest an overwhelming majority (75 ?, 80 ?, 85 ? %) preferred a coalition/support-arrangement with Labour ? (With only about 10 or 15% preferring the Nats ?).

              • McFlock

                I give the greens about 40% chance of supporting National if they are the sole party that can get national in, but 2 or 3 other parties will need to form a coalition to support labour.

                e.g. (% of seats in house) Nat 45%, Green 8%, labour 39%, Mana 4%, MP 2%, ACT 1% United 1%.

                the other option is the so-called “grand coalition”, but that would damn labour to oblivion by negating their “4th Labour govt, what 4th Labour govt?” disavowal. Not to mention permanently putting them in the 2nd-tier slot.

      • The Voice of Reason 2.1.2

        UK Liberal Party poll results pre-coalition with Tories: 28-32%. Poll results now: 8-10%. Council seats post coalition: fuck all. Prospects: nil.

        • Lanthanide 2.1.2.1

          The UK Liberals were in a lose-lose situation.

          A parliament outcome that required a coalition between Greens and National to function (improbable but possible) would be equally lose-lose here. Either you get into bed with the enemy, or call a new election and get punished.

    • Fearfacts polls are always lower for some damn reason.  It really makes you wonder if there is an attempt to drive down morale amongst activists and left wing voters.

  3. tc 3

    I see the nat trolls are up bright and early doing their paymasters bidding. Shame similar behavior on right wing blogs gets folk banned, but then a fair contest has never been on the rights agenda.

  4. logie97 4

    Use some Lateral thinking Mr Joyce with your roll out of Ultra fast Broadband.

    The new technologies (of which apparently you are the current master) are changing how the world operates.

    Here is a golden chance to revive depressed areas and give them a kick start to enjoying the prosperity that UFB is going to deliver. Start in Manukau, Waitakere, Panmure, Glenfield. Let the entrepreneurs flourish there. There will be thousands who would be prepared to locate their businesses there.

    The rich suburbs do not need the new toy.

    • joe90 4.1

      The opinion of an old mate who’s quite high in the utilities food chain in my area.

      The whole exercise appears to be a re-run of a Muldoon electoral bribe with marginal National seats first in the queue and safe opposition electorates tail end charlies.
      .Christmas time for the big boys because the financial penalty bar has been set so high that smaller businesses are reluctant to get involved leaving the tendering door wide open for the large multinational corporate’s.
      The hardwear roll out has all the makings of a class 1 fuck up with obstacles swept away by a blank cheque and the political mantra of we don’t care how, just fucking get it done, cost be damned, means nothing is allowed to get in the way.

      My conclusion: UFB is the bastard child of Think Big, sired by INCIS.

  5. bigbruv 5

    How about those polls then….ha ha ha

    • The Voice of Reason 5.1

      Big Bruv; Matthew Hooten’s slow witted cousin.

    • toad 5.2

      I thought you would be very upset with the Greens being on 11%, bruv.  As for ACT, they’re not even polling high enough to get Brash elected.

      • bigbruv 5.2.1

        The dirty stinking Greens always poll well between elections Toad, unless you guys are around the 9-10% mark coming up to election day then you are toast.

        Come election day the tribal morons who vote Labour will still give their vote to Goff and co, you guys are in real danger of being booted out of the house.

        • Tiger Mountain 5.2.1.1

          Pathetic. Political insight score: zero point zero. Return to the primordial ooze Bruv, the knuckle dragging mouth breathing tory sheep shaggers there may be more appreciative of your boneheaded bleating.

          • McFlock 5.2.1.1.1

            Classic example of believing only the poll results one agrees with, though. He likes tories, so labour will do poorly in the election (this poll proves it), he hates the Greens, so they will do poorly in the election (this poll does not reflect what will happen in the election).

          • Deadly_NZ 5.2.1.1.2

            Damn and I thought he had crawled back under his rock.

        • KJT 5.2.1.2

          Go back to the Kiwibog where you belong. Along with all the other swamp dwellers.

    • Ianupnorth 5.3

      How about replying on one of the other threads and comment on the grand work of the party you support; sorry, grand and work don’t exist, just smile and wave.

  6. Jim Nald 6

    Tripping over yourselves in the rush ……
    Falling for it?

    ‘Cap’ ….. more con coming with flakes for you to swallow

    “National plans to impose a 10 percent cap on the stake any single investor can take in the state assets it will float if re-elected.”
    [Source: newsroom.co.nz]

  7. Morrissey 7

    NewstalkZB. Fair and Balanced.
    8:20 a.m. The Mike Hosking Breakfast

    STATION PROMO: No fluffy interviews! No ignorant rambling! The Larry Williams Drive, weeknights on N-N-N-NewstalkZB!

    MIKE HOSKING: And we’re back with the Wednesday politicians, Steven Joyce and Trevor Mallard.

    STEVEN JOYCE: Where’s Annette, Trevor?

    HOSKING: Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah, Trevor, where is she? Ha ha ha ha ha!

    TREVOR MALLARD: She couldn’t make it today.

    HOSKING: I don’t know why you don’t have Russell on instead.

    HOSKING: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ohhhhh, hilarious!

    JOYCE: But seriously—the Greens have NO APPRECIATION of the relationship between action and consequence.

    HOSKING: No they don’t! They’re NUTS! They’re OUT TO LUNCH! How can you DEAL with those people, Trevor?

    MALLARD: The Greens have more sense than Don Brash does.

    …. SILENCE ….

    HOSKING: But they’re NUTS! So, how would you pay for the Earthquake, Trevor?

    MALLARD: Increasing tax slightly on the rich and the Capital Gains Tax would p—

    JOYCE: [interrupting] That’s just attacking the poor farmers.

    MALLARD: There are a lot of rich farmers who pay very li—

    JOYCE: [interrupting] See, this is what a Labour government would do.

    MALLARD: Hang on! I let you speak without interrupting you. Keep quiet for a minute, please, and let me speak.

    HOSKING: Ha ha ha ha ha! We’ve got to end it there! Steven Joyce and Trevor Mallard, thank you. Will we see you next week—or will it be Annette? Or Grant? Or Shane? Ha ha ha ha ha!

    JOYCE: You should just use Russell instead.

    HOSKING: Ha ha ha ha ha! Ohhhhh, that was hilarious!

    • lprent 7.1

      Is that what actually got said?

      • Morrissey 7.1.1

        Is that what actually got said?

        I reconstructed this soon after hearing it. I didn’t transcribe it live, which I usually try to do. I’ve managed to capture Hosking’s derisive laughter, his snorting, honking support of whatever Joyce says, and the relentless interrupting and taunting of Mallard, mainly by Joyce.

        Listening to the re-broadcast that you’ve so kindly supplied, I realize that I’ve missed out a lot, including Mallard saying: “Shit I’ve been to these bloody meetings”. I also eliminated much of the unfunny and tedious banter by Hosking..

        • grumpy 7.1.1.1

          Listened to lprent’s link myself and it seemed pretty lighthearted to me. Trev certainly gave as good as he got.

          These programs are good for showing the punters that Labour actually has a sense of humour – unlike some of the contributors to these pages (such as Morrissey) and that can’t be bad.

          • Morrissey 7.1.1.1.1

            …it seemed pretty lighthearted to me.

            If you couldn’t divine the menace and hostility in that conversation, you are either drunk or exceptionally indulgent and positive—to the point of pathology.

            Trev certainly gave as good as he got.

            He did, but you may have noticed that Hosking was totally on the side of Joyce. So much for the “NewstalkZB: Fair and Balanced” slogan. Or perhaps you didn’t even notice the bias?

            These programs are good for showing the punters that Labour actually has a sense of humour – unlike some of the contributors to these pages (such as Morrissey) and that can’t be bad.

            I spend a lot of time showing up the inanity and hypocrisy of people like Hosking, Joyce—and Mallard. I think you need a sense of humour for that.

            • Ianupnorth 7.1.1.1.1.1

              Hosking is a turd, a nearly 50 year old who tries to be a kid – turd of the highest order.

    • lprent 7.2

      It is just a silly lightweight program…

      [audio src="http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/podcasts/audio/31092744.mp3" /]

      But not too bad from what I have listened to so far.

      • Jim Nald 7.2.1

        Who is that speaker who sounds so camp with ‘whatever .. whatever … whatever’ and the giggles?
        What’s the joystick like doing drag?

        • Morrissey 7.2.1.1

          Who is that speaker who sounds so camp with ‘whatever .. whatever … whatever’ and the giggles?

          The person repeatedly saying “whatever” was Steven Joyce. The giggler was Mike Hosking.

  8. Jim Nald 8

    And on today’s menu . . . . (again) . . . .
    the souffle-ing Kiwi dollar
    keeps baking our exporters
    and feeding currency traders

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/market-data/5538415/NZ-dollar-up-as-stock-markets-keep-gains

  9. prism 9

    I have just heard! New Zealand is going to be closed down about 4pm this afternoon as it is no longer considered viable by its masters.

    Oh woops. Sorry. It was a story about the New Zealand Press Association that’s been going for 130 years but we have lost that under the brave new world of the controlling communist elite.

    Oh another booboo. I think I should have said the controlling climate of global takeover by neo libs and free marketers and privateers (aggressive financiers assisted in gaining prizes of valuable businesses by conniving governments), who care nothing for our country’s pride and achievements except where they can extract profit for themselves. Goodbye NZ Rugby, hello IRB for instance?

  10. prism 10

    New way in mind for NZ dairy farmers to extract more milkand make more profit is to supplement them with grain. We are being told that there is going to be a lack of food for the ordinary people in this world yet this dairy farmer spokesman I’ve just listened to can only think of using a valuable source of human food so they can maximise returns to what is an elite food.. Palm kernel puts fat on the cow but grain adds protein.

  11. aerobubble 11

    Oil! There’s oil and gas in that there sea!
    We all know oil is harder to find.
    We all know oil will reach new high prices.
    So what does the lazy arse government do?
    They demand oil companies bid for licenses.
    Totally backwards. We should be paying
    oil companies to find resources and taking
    the lion share of the future profits.
    We built dams in this country by heavy
    investing and keeping the dams in our
    public hands.
    Key is selling us down the river AGAIN.

  12. Lanthanide 12

    Just had a quake that rumbled for a while here (about 10 seconds all up), so could be largish but far-away. Maybe 4.5-5M?

    • Lanthanide 12.1

      Closer than I thought, and therefore also smaller: 4M 5km from Lyttleton.

      Just in the last minute we had a bigger one – I got under my desk just in case. Much shorter though.

      • Lanthanide 12.1.1

        Can’t edit. Geonet seems to update much quicker now. Last one was 4.7M.

        I shall be on tenterhooks for the rest of the day, I think. This is how July 13th played out.

    • happynz 12.2

      …and another at 13:31…

      …this land around here does do a bit of the shudder.

      ^ Oh, beat me to it.

      • Jim Nald 12.2.1

        My FengShui-Master friend says the current PM’s jinx on NZ remains strong and there could be another unfortunate event for NZ coming up.
        Of course, I don’t believe in these things.

        • Vicky32 12.2.1.1

          Of course, I don’t believe in these things.

          I am tempted to! All the shite that’s gone down since Key came in, seems to support the idea of his having/being a jinx…

  13. thejackal 13

    New Zealand’s Oil Bonanza… Yeah Right!

    The National government has been promoting the petroleum industry as New Zealand’s saving grace. They are hell bent on extracting dirty fuel to the detriment of our clean green image and the environment. Instead of investing more into clean green alternatives, National is throwing millions of taxpayer dollars at the problem, and completely ignoring the consequences. The return on investment and tax exemptions mean we are paying for oil companies to become exceedingly wealthy. It’s not good for the climate or the economy. In this article I take a look at the details of National’s fossil fuel future that will fail New Zealand…

  14. ianmac 14

    Wel well. Does the Herald Digi Poll have any credibility?
    Prime Minister John Key won’t work with him, but more than one third of voters think the return of NZ First leader Winston Peters would be good for New Zealand.

    Asked whether the return of Mr Peters to Parliament would be positive or negative for New Zealand, 56 per cent of respondents in the Herald DigiPoll survey said it would be negative and 36 per cent said positive.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10748552

    Actually I think he might be good for NZ as well, but I would rather vote Left.

  15. logie97 15

    Anyone notice what time Hooten commented on this site? Does the poor sod not have a life?

    He is probably the sort that waits at the gate in his dressing gown and slippers for the delivery of his paper. (Apparently the online copies aren’t posted until after 6am.) So he must have rushed out, rushed back and posted, or he has inside contacts re news/editorial in the paper.

    • Mac1 15.1

      Servants have to get up early to do their master’s bidding. The boss is the one who gets the lie-in, and then has the paper delivered with the 10 a.m. wake-up cup of tea! Now, that’s a life.

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