$38 on highways for every dollar on public transport

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1. Populuxe1 1

   21 May 2013 at 12:16 pm

   Chalk and cheese. Public transport is mostly confined to set routes within urban populations and is really only the most efficient thing to spend money on when you have high, concentrated populations – which we don’t. Inconveniently, this isn’t the middle ages and people and product must frequently commute over considerable distances between communities and resources and in this long, skinny country of ours – geographical reality. People don’t live in die within a couple of miles of where they were born anymore, and private car ownership remains the predominant transport mode of preference.
   http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/public-transport/page-8
   The National party, like most neoliberal parties, is reactive and not proactive.
   I don’t have a car, and I use public transport. Most public transport in this country is commercially operated.
   • NickS 1.1

     21 May 2013 at 2:29 pm

     Public transport is mostly confined to set routes within urban populations and is really only the most efficient thing to spend money on when you have high, concentrated populations – which we don’t

     [citation needed]

     Methinks you doth know sweet fuck all about how public transport works, come back when you’ve bothered doing some research sweetie.
   • Draco T Bastard 1.2

     21 May 2013 at 2:32 pm

     Inconveniently, this isn’t the middle ages and people and product must frequently commute over considerable distances between communities and resources and in this long, skinny country of ours

     Most public transport is within cities, i.e, dense centres of population.

     People don’t live in die within a couple of miles of where they were born anymore,

     Which has absolutely no relevance to the public transport debate.

     …and private car ownership remains the predominant transport mode of preference.

     Yeah, that’s because we have stupid governments building for cars rather than buses and trains. The simple fact is we weren’t given the choice if we wanted PT or cars.
     • TheContrarian 1.2.1

       21 May 2013 at 2:44 pm

       “The simple fact is we weren’t given the choice if we wanted PT or cars.”

       If someone asked me I’d say I’d like a mix of both. Bought my first car in 4 years just recently.
   • Murray Olsen 1.3

     22 May 2013 at 6:35 pm

     I suspect you’re also changing the meaning of the word commute. Not many people travel between far flung communities on a daily basis.
     OED:
     Definition of commute
     verb
     1 [no object] travel some distance between one’s home and place of work on a regular basis:
2. unicus 2

   21 May 2013 at 12:32 pm

   There is only one transport mode Neo-libs are concerned about protecting – the road transport industry which stuffed up our roads in the first place .

   New Zealands geology and topography was never suitable for the trans continental road transport model developed for the flat hard plains of the USA –

   Its simply more illogical self interest from people who have no honour no moral rectitude and no courage – and yes they are New Zealanders .
   • Populuxe1 2.1

     21 May 2013 at 12:37 pm

     It’s not exactly set up for rail transport either, what with all of those far flung communities and national parks and things, and those annoying mountains in the way etc. Yes, bloody self interest, how dare bloody human beings be human beings blah blah yawn sigh
     • tracey 2.1.1

       21 May 2013 at 1:13 pm

       have you seen any figures to back up the rise in tourism correlation tot he ten minute savings between auckland and wellsford?
     • Clockie 2.1.2

       21 May 2013 at 2:36 pm

       “blah blah yawn sigh”

       Ahh ze awful ennui… How can I bear zis life surrounded by boring idiots. When will someone intelligent turn up and entertain me with something new and diverting..

       http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/5084/the-sad-life-of-a-french-cat
3. tracey 3

   21 May 2013 at 12:35 pm

   Cutting ten minutes off the trip from Auckland to Wellsford, assists, how? Northland remains one of, if not the, highest area of unemployment and under development in our country. Getting to Auckland quicker doesn’t seem like the best fix or use of money…

   trucking companies and holiday makers from Auckland might be happier… but the later aren’t cos they just got hammered with a big bill for their sewerage system (which they are protesting)..
   • Populuxe1 3.1

     21 May 2013 at 12:40 pm

     Well for one thing it means Northland is better connected to essential services and secondary production, for another it makes sense when one of your primary industries is tourism to make it easier to get from the location of your main international airport to an undervisited place of great scenic beauty.
     • tracey 3.1.1

       21 May 2013 at 1:12 pm

       Ten minutes Populuxe. Don’t overstake the cost benefit of the “getting there sooner” BS.

       “better connected to essential services and secondary production, ”

       That is ridiculous if it’s the best you can do.
       • Colonial Viper 3.1.1.1

         21 May 2013 at 3:09 pm

         plenty of property developers up north would love the highway…their property price speculation would pay off for them big time.
4. BM 4

   21 May 2013 at 1:42 pm

   Costs more to take the train to Wellington than it does to fly, by a long way

   By train:
   NZ$ 198.00 one way Auckland to Wellington
   http://timetable.railnewzealand.com/

   By plane:
   NZ starting from $42.00 one way
   http://www.webjet.co.nz/flights/auckland/wellington

   By car:
   I’d say $150-200 on gas both ways but then you have the convenience and don’t have to hire a car when you get there.

   Who the hell would want to take a train?.
   • ghostwhowalksnz 4.1

     21 May 2013 at 2:28 pm

     The airlines are ‘starting from’ surely you dont think thats ALL you pay
     • NickS 4.1.1

       21 May 2013 at 2:31 pm

       And the biggest mistake of BM’s post, ignoring urban rail completely 🙄

       Because teh trains in Auckland and Wellington so totes aren’t heavily used…
       • BM 4.1.1.1

         21 May 2013 at 2:43 pm

         Aren’t we comparing highways to trains?
         Why would I want to take the train when its so much cheaper taking a plane or car.

         Also $90 one way was the highest priced airfare.
         • Colonial Viper 4.1.1.1.1

           21 May 2013 at 2:46 pm

           Train travel is starved of volume and funding, no wonder its so expensive.

           Oh yeah you better count in the several thousand dollars you spent buying your car in the first place to take the drive.
           • BM 4.1.1.1.1.1

             21 May 2013 at 2:55 pm

             Unless I could get a train ticket for $100.00 return I wouldn’t be interested in taking a train.

             Trains around town, great, between towns, hopeless.
             • TheContrarian …

               21 May 2013 at 3:03 pm

               The Wellington – Masterton line is pretty good, BM
               • BM …

                 21 May 2013 at 3:10 pm

                 Still pretty dear though.
                 http://www.metlink.org.nz/tickets-and-fares/adults/

                 $140.00 one way, if I read it correctly
                 • TheContrarian …

                   21 May 2013 at 3:14 pm

                   Much less. Wellington to Greytown (which is the furthest I go) is only $14.00

                   I can’t imagine Masterton is much more than $25
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     21 May 2013 at 3:17 pm

                     Yeah, sometimes its standing room only.
                   • BM …

                     21 May 2013 at 3:19 pm

                     You’re right, $140 for 10 trips.
                     I read that as if you buy 10 trips it’s discounted down to $140 a trip.
                   • TheContrarian …

                     21 May 2013 at 3:21 pm

                     “Yeah, sometimes its standing room only.”

                     Not often though. I always manage a seat.

                     Plus it’s comfy, quick (quicker than driving during rush hour) and you can do it drunk 🙂
                   • infused …

                     21 May 2013 at 4:10 pm

                     Most* of the time it’s standing room only…
                   • Colonial Viper …

                     21 May 2013 at 4:29 pm

                     and you can do it drunk 🙂

                     this should be first in the list of advantages 😈
             • McFlock …

               21 May 2013 at 3:04 pm

               kind of the point, really.

               Run into the ground to the point that airports, airport security, plane maintenance and jet fuel are cheaper than a train that can carry many times the load.
             • Colonial Viper …

               21 May 2013 at 3:06 pm

               Trains around town, great, between towns, hopeless.

               Currently it’s hopeless, but for investment equal to half of a holiday highway, it could be freakin magnificent.
             • TheContrarian …

               21 May 2013 at 3:08 pm

               And the rail system in Japan is freaking awesome.
               • BM …

                 21 May 2013 at 3:14 pm

                 Yeah,they should do a bullet train between Hamilton and Auckland.
                 Stops at Huntly and Te kauwhata with the trip taking no more than 1/2 an hour.
                 Solve so many problems.
             • Colonial Viper …

               21 May 2013 at 3:10 pm

               Basically its the mark of a civilised society to be able to do public transport well.
           • infused 4.1.1.1.1.2

             21 May 2013 at 3:59 pm

             It also takes 12hrs on train. You can drive there and back in that time.
             • McFlock …

               21 May 2013 at 4:21 pm

               Same as a bus though. And the ride’s better.
               • Colonial Viper …

                 21 May 2013 at 4:27 pm

                 And you get to surf on your iPad the entire way
             • Draco T Bastard …

               22 May 2013 at 10:53 am

               From Auckland to wellington and back in 12 hours? Possible I suppose – if you broke every speed limit and didn’t get hung up in traffic. Last time I left Wellington in a car it took four hours just to go the first 90km. Admittedly, that was just before Xmas when most people would be leaving on their holidays.
             • Clockie …

               22 May 2013 at 11:06 am

               You could do Auckland-Wellington one way in about six hours in the wee hours when the roads are clear (don’t ask how I know this) but you’d better pray you don’t get caught. By the time you got there the roads would be filling up with traffic and you’d have to wait until midnight before you left on the return trip.

               PS. You’d be driving so quickly up the deserted main streets of small towns that you could see the exhaust pipe glowing bright red in the reflection in the shop windows.. (don’t ask how I know this)
               • ghostrider888 …

                 22 May 2013 at 2:56 pm

                 I know how (when it’s a 1000cc sports-bike) 😀
                 • Clockie …

                   22 May 2013 at 2:59 pm

                   I was a naughty lad in my teens and early twenties 🙂 It’s a pity guys don’t get some brains to go with that first flush of testosterone eh?
                   • ghostrider888 …

                     22 May 2013 at 3:21 pm

                     used to sit on 140km as much as possible in the wee hours; nothing like the sound of 1000, or 1450cc of exhaust barking in the cold morning air. Got stopped after passing a po leece going the other way on Takapau Plains, over the tank, tapped out at 240k; talked him down to a modest fine after he turned and caught up with me.
   • tricledrown 4.2

     21 May 2013 at 4:22 pm

     so you can see our wonderful country without crashing into something
5. unicus 5

   21 May 2013 at 2:56 pm

   ‘How dare human beings be human beings ”

   I have to admit Im not entirely familiar with the human face of greed ,corruption ,nepotisim ,and repression – but if neo-liberalisim is simply a true expression of humanisim so be it – certainly the NACT Government has it in spades .

   To my knowledge even our straight talking impeccably honest ( and loved by the Chinese ! ) Minister of Tourisim has’nt touted the holiday highway as a tourist benefit . But anyone traversing the current northern highway would find that at peak time’s – traffic on weekends and holidays mysteriously disappears after Warkworth – which of course is the turn off to Matakana and oh no – Omaha – where Key and the half of Eastern Aucklander’s who don’t own second homes in Coromandel hang out .With their friends from overseas no doubt which I guess in the stuttering mind of a neo-liberal bigot would constitute a tourist benefit.

   Can I suggest anyone interested in the egress of tourists through New Zealand take a trip on one of the more picturesque roads of the South – the Lewis Pass Highway it was purpose built for the tourist industry when New Zealand had functional governments . A long walk in the beech forest – perhaps camp the night in a pleasant distant place – you’ll be lucky to get much sleep though – the howl and hiss of giant rigs can be heard miles away from the highway – groaning up the pass and engine braking down it while they churn the road surface into something resembling a Rainbows End roller coaster track – barging German cyclists into ditches as they go .

   A final word on the history of rail in NZ – probably not much interest to you – but yes it was difficult to build . In its day the tracks and our locally built rolling stock were regarded among the worlds most accomplished feats of infrastructure engineering . New Zealands Railway system built cities and towns opened farmland and made money . Rail worked and it could certainly work again – in everyone’s interest .
   • Murray Olsen 5.1

     22 May 2013 at 6:47 pm

     Rail will work again the minute that trucking companies have to pay for what they do to the roads. The German passenger rail network is amazing, and cheap, but even if we mainly used trains for freight, roads would be cheaper and safer.
     • kiwicommie 5.1.1

       23 May 2013 at 9:25 am

       Unfortunately a lot of MSM like to scaremonger and rant on about how NZ can’t afford it, even though the lack of high speed, high capacity rail from Auckland to Wellington, and Picton to Christchurch [to Dunedin] holds NZ back and increases transport costs. There is also another factor, that a lack of high speed passenger rail puts pressure on roads and airports to take passenger traffic, adding to New Zealand’s carbon emissions.

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