Academic quality under attack

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1. Vicky32 1

   24 August 2011 at 3:07 pm

   You’re absolutely right…
   Not everything is about ‘business’…
2. ianmac 2

   24 August 2011 at 3:13 pm

   Well. If all those working in the Tertiary area were put onto TNS (Tertiary National Standards), then we could see just where the problems lie and all those lecturers who underachieve can be taken aside and spanked. This would of course allow clever polititians to set the Standards and at last the taxpayers would rejoice as they would get just what they have been demanding.
   Sounds facetious? Just modelled on the actions so far of the National machine.
   • Ed 2.1

     24 August 2011 at 11:24 pm

     Such actions are only valid for state-owned tertiary institutions, ianmac – if it is a private provider then of course they don’t need any standards . . .they can just pocket subsidies.
3. tc 3

   24 August 2011 at 3:30 pm

   In chatting to a tertiary employee not long after Sideshow gained the big chair for the best photo opp’s they reckoned the exodus had begun as unlike the bulk of the electorate the acedemics have intelligence and had more than an inkling of what was on the way….the knowledge wave goodbye.
   • Colonial Viper 3.1

     24 August 2011 at 10:32 pm

     Research grants, salaries and facilities over in Australia kill anything available at scrimp and save NZ uni’s.
     • r0b 3.1.1

       24 August 2011 at 11:51 pm

       And don’t even get me started on Singapore and Hong Kong!
4. prism 4

   24 August 2011 at 5:28 pm

   The generic managerial approach seems to encompass anything. It surely was a manager who sacked a favourite weather forecaster for making unrehearsed, unpaid comments about the weather. The learning institutions management are focussed on budgets and not the best thing for the entity. And the people in charge of budgets don’t really operate on any new ideas, they tend to hark back a way to say a century ago, except they use new technology. So they don’t have a receptive mind to wide learning it ends up vocationally-focussed with them.
5. Rich 5

   24 August 2011 at 8:54 pm

   The other thing that’ll happen is that we’ll catch the league table virus from Britain and America.

   At the moment, most courses are more or less open – if an undergrad’s qualified, they can go to Auckland, Vic, Massey or wherever. But that’s changing as NACT cut numbers, so you’ll find that the only students with the best grades will go to Auckland & Vic, while places out in the sticks like Massey and Lincoln will get the average undergrads.

   Academics might think this is good, because they’ll be working at the elite institutions, but it won’t work like that. There’ll be a points system, and it’ll mostly be cross-subject. So instead of (e.g.) Massey attracting smart life scientists, it’ll get the kids with Cs at undergrad level, and anyone staying there will have their career blighted.
6. r0b 6

   24 August 2011 at 10:29 pm

   Thanks for this post Sandra, and thanks to the TEU (of which I am a member) for the great work it does standing up for tertiary teaching and learning.
7. Gosman 7

   25 August 2011 at 10:41 am

   What a surprise. Left wing academics upset at Government on being told they can’t get more taxpayer largesse.

   How about some of you go out and get a real job in the private sector?
   • Campbell Larsen 7.1

     25 August 2011 at 11:16 am

     Judging by your comments Gos you should have spent more time at school.
   • r0b 7.2

     25 August 2011 at 11:16 am

     Spoken with all your usual wisdom and insight Gosman.

     Tell me, what sort of “private sector” do you think there would be without an educated populace and workforce?  Fancy yourself as a peasant farmer do you? 
     • Gosman 7.2.1

       25 August 2011 at 2:17 pm

       Yeah because it seems that getting a university degree is so beneficial to society as a whole

       http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2029593/1-5-graduates-earning-school-leaver.html
       • r0b 7.2.1.1

         25 August 2011 at 5:20 pm

         Even by your usual standards Gosman that’s a pretty pathetic response.  Never mind that salary is a very impoverished measure of value to society, but the article you cite shows that in 4 cases out of 5 a university degree increases starting salary.  This is bad how?

          
   • Frank Macskasy 7.3

     28 August 2011 at 11:35 pm

     “How about some of you go out and get a real job in the private sector?”

     Well, that’s certainly “deep, meaningful, and insightful”… *sighs*

     By the way, Gosman, I note that you posted that on Thursday, 25 August, at 10.41am. Shouldn’t you have been at work at that time? And if you were, what does your employer say about you blogging during work hours??
     • Gosman 7.3.1

       29 August 2011 at 8:16 am

       I’m not blogging. I am commenting on a blog post. As for what my empoyer thinks. They are happy enough with my performance to have extended my contract for a year recently. In the real world people’s performance is reflected in whether you get pay rises and/or work extensions. Unlike say the academic world which seems to not worry too much about whether someone’s job is economically necessary and when pay rises are woirked out on some arcane formula seemingly unrelated to performance.
       • Bored 7.3.1.1

         29 August 2011 at 8:24 am

         I did the contract renewals and pay adjustments recently: you left out one variable that also has a big impact…market conditions. Got a lot of push back from people who expected pay rises based upon always getting them, and had to explain that they were replacable at a lower cost. Thats the nature of the private sector market. Hard but true.

         Which brings me to the public sector and academics: how is it that the public servants pay only goes up? If there is pain why should they be exempt from sharing collectively in that pain? Is it fair that some retain pay rates and employment whilst others get made redundant?
8. infused 8

   25 August 2011 at 1:29 pm

   It’s funny, most of the people on talk back dont seem to agree with you.
   • lprent 8.1

     25 August 2011 at 4:04 pm

     You’re referring to talkback as a source of informed opinion? My opinion of your opinions just dropped below its already low levels. Talkback is for morons who are incapable of touching a keyboard and getting out of broadcast media….
9. David 9

   25 August 2011 at 2:34 pm

   It seems to me that there are many instances where academics are woefully unprepared to manage or teach. If developing these skills were given half of the emphasis of developing a narrow range of research skills then there probably wouldn’t be a need for managers etc. The clear assumption is normally if you are a competent researcher then you can teach (or manage). When I hear the comment ‘if you can teach (or manage) then you can research’ I will be convinced we are making progress.
   • r0b 9.1

     25 August 2011 at 5:21 pm

     Times are changing.  There’s certainly a lot more emphasis on new staff members learning to teach than there was a couple of decades ago.
10. Clark Thomborson 10

    26 August 2011 at 9:12 am

    I believe that the folks who deliver the management services to a properly constituted University must take advice from its existing academics, and gain their consent, before hiring or firing anyone, or before making any other change to any matter which may affect its academic “core business”. The current Vice-Chancellor of the University of Auckland apparently believes otherwise. At Senate, he has recently made it clear that he believes that our university’s charter, and the laws of our country, do not allow him to take advice from Senate on any matter affecting our university’s academic standing or operation — if this matter may impinge, in any way, on how our university behaves as an employer of its staff.

    I sincerely hope my university can find a way through this impasse over the role of its academic Senate.

    I cannot see how any educational institution can maintain high academic standards, if it is managed without the advice and consent of its academics on all academic matters, especially including those which have implications to the University as an employer.

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1. Christchurch.Scoop » TEU Tertiary Update Vol 14 No 31: posted on 26 August 2011 at 1:12 am
2. Dunedin.Scoop » TEU Tertiary Update Vol 14 No 31: posted on 26 August 2011 at 1:34 am

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