Afghanistan pushes the US out

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1. Tony Veitch (not etc.) 1

   4 March 2020 at 7:47 am

   Re – your penultimate paragraph:

   I'm sorry, Ad, but you have more faith in the military-industrial complex that has 'Murica' by the short and curlies than I have.
2. mpledger 2

   4 March 2020 at 7:55 am

   The Taliban are never going to stick to any negotiated peace deal. They are just going to go back to the way they were before the invasion.
   • In Vino 2.1

     4 March 2020 at 8:56 pm

     Of course – who would expect otherwise?

     I myself am still sneering at the American propagandists who claimed at the beginning that there was no parallel with Vietnam… It seems to me that this peace deal is just about dead parallel, as much of the war was all along.
3. Wayne 3

   4 March 2020 at 7:59 am

   I don't think there are hardly any "western" business investments in Afghanistan. Mostly Chinese and Indian. However there was probably 100 billion (mostly western aid money) spent on schooling, health, roading and electric power for most of the country.

   In 2009 the Afghan Interior Minister told me the "west" had to keep paying the Afghan govt for at least 20 years or else they would lose the war to the Taliban. He had been in the Afghan govt prior to its defeat in 1995, which he said was because the Afghan government ran out of money to pay the army.

   Basically the Afghan government gets only a small fraction of its expenditure from tax and customs. The rest is aid money and international loans (really grants). That is how they pay the civil service and pay for the Army and police. The Americans and NATO are going to have to pay for at least the next two decades, around $10 billion per year. Even then the Afghan govt's writ will only extend to about 50% of the country.

   Nevertheless the Afgahn govt still pays the salaries of teachers, health workers and infrastructure workers in the Taliban controlled areas. If they didn't, all those things would stop, just as they did when the Taliban were the government from 1995 to 2001.
4. esoteric pineapples 4

   4 March 2020 at 8:32 am

   The United States makes another face-saving peace deal so it can get the heck out of a war it has been losing for years, and leaves everyone who supported them to the mercy of the enemy
5. Sabine 5

   4 March 2020 at 8:33 am

   they have been in Germany for nigh on 75 plus years. They don't leave.

   they have over 120 bases the world over, can you imagine the upset if they had to take these soldiers, their spouses, children and civilian contractors back home to what? Nothing. lol……

   As for Afghanistan, no invader ever won they all only left bones and bodies behind when they retreated. And the US has yet not enough bled on this country.

   Also minerals, mining etc etc etc Who would not want to be the one to exploit the riches of Afghanistan. 🙂
   • Wayne 5.1

     4 March 2020 at 9:37 am

     As for minerals in Afghanistan, they are mostly way too hard to extract, unless it is a particularly rich ore body (copper etc, not iron or coal). The only logical transport routes out of Afghanistan are to the north, so all ores have to go out by rail on huge long rail journeys (thousands of km). In contrast, in Australia most big mines are relatively close to the coast (around 200km inland on flat land) so the cost of shipping is very low. Ocean shipping is less than a tenth the cost of rail.

     So unless Afghanistan finds very valuable ores, most of its minerals will remain in the ground.

     Economically Afghanistan seems incredibly challenged. No oil and gas, hard to extract minerals, mostly desert or arid lands, no sea coast. There is better agricultural land in the north of the country so there is some potential there. It does have a rich artistic heritage which could provide more wealth in tourism and in exports. However, even without the war Afghanistan would likely still be one of the poorest countries in Asia.
6. Blazer 6

   4 March 2020 at 9:05 am

   AD…the 'money' shot.

   '

   the U.S.-directed Coalition
   Provisional Authority in Iraq refused to allow government-owned
   enterprises to reopen after the invasion unless they were privatized.
   In both Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. demanded the governments open
   natural resources to exploitation by American corporations.

   Such measures reduce opportunities for local elites to enrich
   themselves and therefore make it almost impossible for the U.S. to
   enlist reliable local allies. It also impoverishes the mass of locals
   when the U.S. forces the privatization of state firms and demands
   brutal cuts in government budgets, creating enough anger and
   desperation to power insurgencies.'
7. Byd0nz 7

   4 March 2020 at 10:42 am

   The reason they want to pull out of Afghanistan, (lets hope they dont) is because they want to relocate their troops down under to counter the so called China threat.
   • Gosman 7.1

     4 March 2020 at 10:44 am

     In what way are they going to use combat troops to counter China?
8. Gosman 8

   4 March 2020 at 10:44 am

   What do you mean losing a war? If the agreement stands then the US achieved what it was hoping to achieve when it intervened in 2002. This was to deny Al Qaida a safe haven to organise and train for military operations against US and Western targets.
9. Byd0nz 9

   4 March 2020 at 11:28 am

   Al Qaida was funded by the US in the first place, then they done the dirty on them(as per usual) then bin Laden allegedly took out the twin towers in revenge. When thieves fall out eh.
   • Gosman 9.1

     4 March 2020 at 11:34 am

     What conspiratorial nonsense. Al Qaida was NEVER funded directly by the US. Bin Laden may have received funding while he was fighting the Soviets however much of that was indirectly via Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.
     • Drowsy M. Kram 9.1.1

       4 March 2020 at 1:20 pm

       "Al Qaida was NEVER funded directly by the US." Since Al-Qaeda was founded (in 1988) has it EVER been funded and otherwise supported indirectly by the CIA? Ah, I see you already know the answer.
10. joe90 10

    5 March 2020 at 10:28 am

    Fake deal.

    The United States has carried out an air raid against Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, a US forces spokesman said a day after President Donald Trump spoke to a senior Taliban leader by phone.

    "The US conducted an air strike on March 4 against Taliban fighters in Nahr-e Saraj, Helmand, who were actively attacking an ANDSF [Afghan National Defence and Security Forces] checkpoint," said Colonel Sonny Leggett in a tweet on Wednesday, adding that it was a "defensive strike".

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/conducts-air-strike-taliban-peace-deal-200304085937305.html
11. Yasir Abb 11

    18 March 2020 at 7:50 pm

    Another important point that was missed here is the nature of Afghans. They are fond of fighting and resistance. They fought against British and Soviets in the past and largely remained successful. The better option for USA after 9/11 was to deal with Al Qaeda but they decided to punish Taliban for sheltering them. This only resulted in losing thousands of lives (American and Afghan) and millions of dollars.

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