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And the winner is…

Written By: - Date published: 10:07 pm, August 28th, 2014 - 119 comments
Categories: david cunliffe, john key - Tags:

According to the Herald:

3-1 to Cunliffe; Fran O’Sullivan, Toby Manhire and John Armstrong say Cunliffe, Audrey Young went for Key.

TVNZ:

Corin Dann says Cunliffe on points.

Fairfax:

No authoritative verdict, but the article says Key rattled, Cunliffe composed, so apparently Cunliffe.

Text poll: 61% Key 39% Cunliffe among people who can afford to waste 75c on a text.

TV3:

studiously ignoring the fact that TVNZ had a debate.

Update – twitter on the text poll:

keycunliffedebatepoll1 keycunliffedebatepoll2

 

119 comments on “And the winner is… ”

  1. ghostwhowalksnz 1

    Third place goes to Hosking, what was the party he represents ?

    • karol 1.1

      The WO-Media Party

    • Richard Christie 1.2

      The Look at Me party

    • Matthew Hooton 1.3

      I don’t think that is fair. Given he clearly votes National, admires Key and doesn’t like Cunliffe, I thought he did a very good job. At least as good a debate as Key/Goff and Clark/Key and much better than the Clark/Brash fiascos.

      • felix 1.3.1

        Given he clearly votes National, admires Key and doesn’t like Cunliffe, he probably shouldn’t have been there at all.

        • Matthew Hooton 1.3.1.1

          That case can be made, and has been. But under the circumstances, I thought he was very fair. If anything (and this is only very marginal) I thought he gave a slightly easier ride to Cunliffe than Key, the same way John Campbell is just marginally softer towards the National leader when he does similar debates. Last night was certainly more illuminating than anything else in this “campaign” so far.

      • TheContrarian 1.3.2

        Yeah Hosking was fair – I’ll give him that (weird jokes about Cunliffe dating his own children aside)

      • AmaKiwi 1.3.3

        The role of the moderator is nothing more than to be a traffic policeman insuring each debater sticks to their allotted time to answer the question and to stop talking over.

        The format was a sham, a verbal brawl.

        What would any parliament be like if this chaos was tolerated.

      • David H 1.3.4

        And what’s the betting he (Hosking) got a severe bollocking from TricKey’s political minders after that debacle.

      • Rodel 1.3.5

        My apologies Matthew , much as I am against your politics and methods I think you are right. Hoskings was pretty fair and tried hard to be a proper mediator. For once you make reason.
        Hey your mate Brash was a fiasco all by himself.

  2. Skinny 2

    The debate showed that John Key is over politics. Pretty much a lackluster performance which signals that Key is counting the clock down.

    • BLiP 2.1

      I agree. In fact, I reckon Key has been “over it” for some time. Failfax is reporting that . . .

      . . . Key said Cunliffe’s predecessor Helen Clark was much stronger on policy.

      . . . which is kinda telling. Cunliffe’s predecessor was actually Shearer and Godd before him so, if Key’s comment has been accurately reported, its like he now sees Cunliffe as Prime Minister.

      • Rich 2.1.1

        I like that sort of analysis.

        • weka 2.1.1.1

          +1. Very insightful BLip

        • aerobubble 2.1.1.2

          Key does actually say anything, and hasnt for some time. People look for leadership, want to get an idea of what their leaders think, so they can predict them. Key could just as easily bail beneficiaries out as sell off assets, while raising GST and handing over a huge taxcut windfall to the richest. Key’s did next to nothing except gut the deposit guarantee in light of the GFC, yet another service Australians get that Key feels hurts our economy. Yeah, how does protecting savings of kiwis make it easier for them to take financial risks, well a lot actually, if they had them.

          Key is insufferably bland, useless at anything more than pissing in the wind to shine the next turd blossom his media panel his people come up with.

      • Colonial Viper 2.1.2

        Cunliffe’s predecessor was God(d)…what does that mean! 😈

        • Brendon Harre 2.1.2.1

          D is next to F on the keyboard. Give BLiP a break….

        • BLiP 2.1.2.2

          Heh! I always said I wouldn’t get glasses until I couldn’t do my morning crossword. While I can still manage that, the other day I got lost out Henderson way and couldn’t read the map!! Now I’m making more and more typos. Public shame is the tipping point . . . . . . odd to the optometrist for me this weekenf 😉

          • CnrJoe 2.1.2.2.1

            jon lenin frames?

          • Tracey 2.1.2.2.2

            i have glasses and struggle to see my morning crossword. We didnt watch the debate in the peoples republic of mt eden, did we really miss anything?

            • Rosie 2.1.2.2.2.1

              You missed DC being fabulous! Calm, cool headed and collected whilst simultaneously being strong, policy focused and at the ready with an answer and a counter argument for everything. He really came across as a leader. I wanted to give the man a hug.

              Key looked tired and under duress, like he just couldn’t be bothered any more.

              Mike Hoskings wasn’t as bad as I was expecting.

          • David H 2.1.2.2.3

            I’ll tell you BLiP it will be the best decision you have made for a while. It’s like seeing all over again, and if you get headaches after reading, they will also go away.

  3. millsy 3

    I havent seen the debate, but it is good to know that Cunliffe performed well.

    It is early days, but this should give him a boost of confidence for the next debate.

    • Colonial Viper 3.1

      Key is going to come out firing from minute zero in the next debate. He’s going to try and rattle Cunliffe hard so Cunliffe must be prepared to stay cool and statesman like, saving the fire in the belly for just the right times.

  4. Herodotus 4

    After struggling to watch that…. The 800k non voter turnout from 2011 may now hit 1m.

  5. weka 5

    Interesting to see the NewstalkZB poll change so much in the past hour.

    Now:
    John Key 34 %
    David Cunliffe 32 %
    Neither/It was a tie 34 %
    Unsure 0 %

    Earlier: 71% Cunliffe to 28% Key

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/election/

    • the pigman 5.1

      It’s gone even more mental than that, 46% now calling it a tie.

      There’s gonna be some carpal tunnel syndrome for whatever fool is sitting there re-voting and refreshing 😀

      • David H 5.1.1

        “There’s gonna be some carpal tunnel syndrome for whatever fool is sitting there re-voting and refreshing 😀 ”

        So that’s what happened to Jason Ede this must be his new important job.

    • Clemgeopin 5.2

      At the end of the day, these manipulated ‘poll results’ ackshully make no difference because people who watched the debate ackshully KNOW for themselves who performed better and who was rattled and is ackshully on the way out at the end of the day on Sept 20.

  6. emergency mike 6

    I’d really like to know whose brilliant idea it was to have a $0.75 per text poll where the results are announced as the debate ends. I.e. most votes cast before the end of the debate. I.e. what bollocks.

    • McFlock 6.1

      funnily enough, I didn’t catch any mention of that poll on the one news coverage at 10:40pm.

      Perhaps between the web crash and maybe time to do a quick breakdown of the cell numbers that txt-voted some issues in the concept showed up 🙂

      • emergency mike 6.1.1

        Indeed. Normally some numbers with an oh-so-snazzy graphic is automatically slapped on at the end.

      • seeker 6.1.2

        Went to vote on tvnz website at 7.25pm it then said Key 60% Cunliffe 40%. I voted for Cunliffe and the figures changed to 61% Key and 39% Cunliffe!! Strange I thought, then Hosking said the site had crashed.
        I rang tvnz and they took my vote over the phone saying something had gone wrong but one could still comment or text but I said that wouldn’t be fair as many could not afford 75c texts or, in my case mobile phones. Just sticking to comments seemed fairer.
        However I noticed that neither of my votes changed the outcome at the end which was the same as the one I noticed at 7.25pm when the site crashed i.e.Key 61% Cunliffe 39% thus I knew they had published an inaccurate/scuppered poll result..Yes, something definitely went wrong with tvnz’s online voting set up tonight. I’m surprised that wowee investigative reporter Andre Vance hadn’t noticed before she wrote her article. (never think of Tracy Watkins as being ‘investigative’.)

        Fotnote-looked at vote online site at 8.30pm and it had shifted back to Key 60% and Cunliffe 40% ! Ghost in the machine?

        Thought there might have been an apology for this mess up on the 10.40pm news.

        • McFlock 6.1.2.1

          several thousand votes in, I wouldn’t expect any variation related to an individual’s vote.
          But a vote so thoroughly at odds with even tory commentators tends to suggest something going on – maybe dirty politics, maybe just a system designed by the folk who did wheedle mark 1 🙂

      • Not a PS Staffer 6.1.3

        39% of texters said they prefer Cunliffe to Key. That is an excellent result for Cunliffe. Given the Labour demographics: the 75c charge; and the certainty that many Nats were texting from every phone within reach; a 4/10 spilt was a significant success.

        Go Cunliffe. This is why we picked you to be the Labour Party Leader. I’ll stand you a pint at the Black Salt.

  7. Leroy 7

    Wow – How good was David Cunliffe? Leader for only 10 months vs. JK 7 years and one of our most popular prime ministers ever. Looks like he wants to be PM – there was fire in his belly!

    One has to wonder what is going on within National? Key did not seem his usual self!

    • Clemgeopin 7.1

      I think ‘Collins’ and the ‘Dirty Politics’ is on his mind.

      • emergency mike 7.1.1

        All the free polls about the debate are favouring Cunliffe. The tide is turning. I’m guessing National’s internal polling means that Key already knows this. This is a governmet that has always been about brand Key. That brand is sinking fast. He has finally insulted the public’s intelligence a bridge too far over Dirty Politics re Collins, Ede, and ‘his office’. He’s got too close to Slater, now the smell just won’t go away. He know’s this job is a goner and is thinking about his next career move.

        Even Sean Plunket is coming around to what Hager’s book is saying about the National party. (Apparently he had a brain surge after accidently watching All The President’s Men.)

      • Kiwiri 7.1.2

        I think ‘Collins’ and the ‘Dirty Politics’ is on his mind.

        And political dirt on his [JK’s] hands.

        • AmaKiwi 7.1.2.1

          The Horizon poll shows how devastating Dirty Politics has been for National. I tried to post the link a few minutes ago but was told it was spam. Curious that I got this link yesterday from The Standard. Here goes again: http://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/attachments/docs/horizon-research-political-conduct-survey-repo.pdf

          [lprent: The site has a problem at present with comments going into auto-spam when they have odd punctuation like :// from a link. I haven’t located what is doing it, and probably won’t until the weekend. At present we’re manually shoving stuff out of the auto-spam folder. ]

    • Blue 7.2

      One has to wonder what is going on within National? Key did not seem his usual self!

      He’s over it. Done his dash as PM and is now dreaming of Hawaii. There’s no other way to explain it. He’s only ever wanted to be PM while it was easy – buoyant opinion polls, adoring media and a worshipful public. The fact that he considered quitting over the teapot tapes shows exactly where his mind must be at right now.

  8. Delia 8

    David Cunliffe was excellent.

    John Key seemed unprepared. He is busy, but so is Cunliffe and Cunliffe was ready for it.

  9. CeeH 10

    plus JK had an Xtra boost with the polls just before the debate – so, fantastic for David to come out on top. All praise to God.

  10. Jesus Wept 11

    Small point here.
    We voted significantly for DC in the Labour primaries. We needed an articulate voice to state the bleedingly obvious. You were humble, you got a bit dissed. Imagine right now how the other dude bless him would have fared. Not too well to state the bleedingly obvious.
    Well done tall guy. You pissed all over him. And you even impressed the hoskingcreep.
    Don’t forget if you get 42-3% in these debate things you’re probably in. You’ve got the Russell and Meretia (and some people you don’t acknowledge yet) cutting down the percentage that this weird horrible inarticulate hologram has left. Keep it up dude.

  11. Redzone 12

    About belief. Well done Cunliffe- took your opportunity tonight and owned key. Perhaps not a game changer but has definitely opened the door for the underdog.

    Weight of the whale on key. He’s checking out and it shows. His confidence has visibly diminished now and the Teflon has gone. He’s psyched out.

    Peter’s well timed Collins comment moments before the debate was incendiary. How the hell does peters mange to pull off hits like that? Can’t stand him but no denying he is the master of timing.

    Keys lesson is he should have fired Collins and didn’t and now he pays the consequence big time. She’s the albatross and It’s messing with him big time and he can’t hide it.

    If key thought the tea tapes were bad then this is 10 times worse.

    • Colonial Viper 12.1

      Winston Peters was mentored by Sir Robert Muldoon. And it shows.

    • Clemgeopin 12.2

      Collins has denied it and called Winston a liar!

      I believe Winston more than I do Collins, but
      I hope Winston has some proof.

      • emergency mike 12.2.1

        “Collins has denied it and called Winston a liar!”

        Well she has to, she’s on her last last warning…

        Winston Peters, quote of the year: “I didn’t put the ‘N’ in the National Party, they did.” I don’t know what it means but I like it.

        • Clemgeopin 12.2.1.1

          N=Nasty? Neo?

        • crocodill 12.2.1.2

          lol just watched that interview. Winston says the National party claim to be Nationalists (the N in National) like him and his, which they don’t and never have done. So when has he ever misled the public..? oooh at about the time he said that I guess, but hey, I didn’t put the W in Winston.

      • weka 12.2.2

        I wouldn’t believe Collins either, and even if Peters is lying, it serves her bloody well right.

        Look at Peters’ facial expression, after he makes the statement about not going out there and telling the country he’d do one thing and then do another, around 9.20. He’s a master at this stuff, far outclassing Key. He’s telling the truth about asset buyback (probably, although there is a caveat in there I’m sure), but when he realises what he has just said (when did I ever mislead the public) he can’t help having a wee Muldoon-esque lopsided smile. I would guess it’s similar with the Collins thing. There is a truth in there, but it’s not a clear, open and honest truth. It’s one that completely supports Peters’ agenda.

        http://www.3news.co.nz/politics/full-interview-winston-peters-on-judith-collins-and-dirty-politics-2014082818

        • Clemgeopin 12.2.2.1

          I hope it is not a lie, because even though not many like Collins any more, lying is not ok.

          Thanks for the link. A brilliant interview. As I said, I still believe Winston over Collins, Key, Slater, Joyce any day!

      • Tracey 12.2.3

        she prolly didnt understand peters comment. Afterall she thought the privacy commissioner had cleared her of releasing a name to slater for bullying, intimidation and death threats.

        • You_Fool 12.2.3.1

          Her denial clearly showed that She didn’t understand Peter’s statement, unless she was getting in some practice for being PM and merging her office, office staff and herself into one mass-conglomerate

      • AmaKiwi 12.2.4

        The more often Collins is mentioned in the news, the more National is damaged. It’s a bit like someone constantly interjecting a reminder that you cheated on your taxes or stole from your employer.

    • kenny 12.3

      Like I’ve said before – Key won’t sack Collins because she knows where the bodies are buried. Through her friendship with Slater she knows just how deep Key is involved in dirty politics and how many lies he has told.

      • TE 12.3.1

        Yes agree with you there Kenny, thats probably why key will just be very laid back, mundane and boring till the fat lady sings.
        Once a liar always a liar, john key’s backside is as burnt as ‘on the last warning’ collins and ‘only I can publicize stolen email’s’ slater,
        Hypocrite’s all of them.

  12. Rich 13

    “The question drew 45,898 responses, with 61% voting John Key as the most impressive and 39% being most impressed by David Cunliffe.”

    Anybody want to go to the National Party’s ledger and see if they can find 21k election spending for tonight?

    🙂

  13. Jrobin 14

    Key can’t wait to get back to insider trading and hobnobbing it with Jamie Dimon. He is trying to lose now, just watch the rats leaping as the ship tilts and shudders. Why oh why would anyone think Winston would creep into a coalition with Ms Injustice? David was superb, take that Herald Digipoll, presumably they polled Remuera and Central Otago only.

  14. Brian 15

    Assured, collected, in command.
    DC was a good choice.

  15. blue leopard 16

    TV3 did cover the debate. It was on ‘The Paul Henry Show’ Tova O Brian was on giving a run-down of the events. …Oh hell, I have forgotten what she said – from memory it was positive for Cunliffe. You’ll just have to go and watch it online if you want to know more: http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/PaulHenryShow

    I have to say Paul Henry, despite being a self-confessed right wing bigot (or words to that effect), does some pretty good political interviews.

    • bad politics 16.1

      Yes, Paul Henry does. One thing about last nights debate, is Mike Hosking was way out of his depth, Alison Mau & Sean Plunkett were having a bit of a laugh about it, especially the weird ‘date night’ question.

      Cunliffe was bloody good.

      • Rodel 16.1.1

        Nah. Mike Hoskings ( and I’m not a fan of his) did quite well.
        I liked the way he stopped Key in his tracks, at first saying something like, ” This isn’t a party political broadcast. Can you please just answer the question?’

        It was a fairly well run debate and Hoskings didn’t insert his Ferrari driven Tory bias.Well done Mike…

        PS I’m glad Cunliffe dominated. God I so hope he’s our next PM. ( and I’m not even religious).
        Stay positive folks!

  16. NZJester 17

    Looks like the NZ Herald “Buzzdial” thing gave the debate to Cunliffe.

    The right will make a lot about the text poll giving the debate to John Key by talking it up, while they are downplaying all the ones that show David Cunliffe the clear winner.
    Your line of “among people who can afford to waste 75c on a text” says a lot about the very heavy bias that poll should have had for National. In my mind the fact David still reached 39% on that poll says a lot about Nationals current appeal to those more well healed. The crack in John Keys nice guy mask has cracked even further and Cameron Slater’s face peeking out from inside is scaring the right wing voters away from National. I just wish a lot less of them would be switching to Act or the Conservitives and vote Labour for a real positive change.

  17. Brian 18

    Boxing analogy – no knockout but Key stunned by a good straight left!

    • Inky 18.1

      He was groggy, on the ropes and at times defenceless. But he did have the referee in his corner.

      • Paul 18.1.1

        Not just in his corner.
        Throwing the odd punch as well.

        • Rich 18.1.1.1

          Well he threw the odd punch at Key as well, especially when Key did one of his ‘you’re dismissed’ arm wavements and sneer, that resulted in a ‘no, no, no you’re not doing that’ from Hosking who you could see and hear was pretty angry with Key at the time. I just wonder if the media hacks forced to write pro-national junk will, if pushed, turn on their masters, or whether if they are actually National that they have had enough of Key leading that party. After watching the visceral hate for Key last night in Parliament when the guy tried to jump from the balconey which resulted in an attempt to blame Labour for it and a throat cutting gesture from Key I’m surprised that Key has lasted this long, as he’s an absolute turd, or more appropriately as he was called at the time by more than one parliamentarian – ‘a scumbag’.

      • Kevin 18.1.2

        I can’t stand Hosking, but I thought he was fair to both of them.

        • Tracey 18.1.2.1

          i suspect that means the campaign to removed him worked. IF he hadcany intention to favour key, he didnt. I didnt see it so just going by folkscomments here.

          I note that claire trevitts article asked peters dunne and craig what they thought of cunliffes performance but asked no one from greens, imp, etc what they thought of key. Balance?

          • Kiwiri 18.1.2.1.1

            I’ve just been shown the UF’s campaign broadcast. Very puzzling.
            Did the GCSB infiltrate the production and rubbish it?

    • Te Reo Putake 18.2

      Funnily enough, after the debate I switched over to the Ali/Holmes doco on Maori TV. It was the story of a populist winner who took on one fight too many and lost badly to his younger, fresher opponent. Karmic coincidence?

  18. Inky 19

    When David Cunliffe got the Labour job, a friend told me he’d debate the a$$ off Key. That he did. In fact Key’s probably still trying to find his a$$ now.

    An outstanding effort, Mr Cunliffe. More please.

    • Cousin Marvin 19.1

      I believe DC has it on a plate somewhere and will be handing it back to him in the TV3 studios some time in the near future.

    • Rodel 19.2

      Email Cunliffe. Give him your support. I just did.
      He will appreciate the support… and he will acknowledge your support.

      [email protected]

  19. vince warner 20

    Is there a VOD or rebroadcast available of the debate, i tried looking on tvnz and youtube but no luck.

  20. NZJester 21

    If any of you missed the debate it is up online at TVNZ
    http://tvnz.co.nz/one-news/s2014-ep1-video-6066764

    I don’t know if it just my browser but the timing of the ads inserted in at the breaks on these TVNZ on demand videos is annoying. Part of the welcome back from the break speech starts to play before the actual ad finally kicks in late cutting him of mid sentence till after the ads have completed.

  21. dv 22

    I didn’t hear ANY policy from Key (Except the possibility of some cash for first home buyers.)

    NOTHING to support Keys claim we are on the cusp of something great.

    Oh he may be thinking that lab are going to win AND that will be great!!!!

    I heard a lot of Key criticising lab polices.

    BUT he can because Lab has policies.

  22. ScottGN 23

    Herald readers are running about 3 to 1 in favour of Cunliffe.

  23. Tracey 24

    Audrey young gave it to John Key?!? Of course she IS his herald campaign manager.

    Did i read people could vote before thedebate began, surely not? And before it end?

    Baby Cheeses!

    • ghostwhowalksnz 24.1

      Father was National MP, brother is a national MP. Audrey is what they say ‘family’

  24. dave 25

    Key looked flat as if didn’t want to be there the only zip and am was from cunliffe
    And far more serious note hoskins was a fashion disaster of Clarkson like proportions for a media fashion icon like hoskin you really have to wonder if his status needs a review . Any thoughts .

  25. ScottGN 26

    Surprise, surprise former Shipley staffer Claire Robinson calls it a draw in RadioNZ and then goes on to admit that, yes, Cunliffe did actually do better in almost all aspects of the debate.

  26. Pete 27

    Glad to hear Rob Salmond was in Cunliffe’s corner and was advising him during the ad breaks. DC has a good team behind him.

    On Morning Report, Claire Robinson said it was a draw. Which if you convert that into normal-person speak, is a resounding win for Cunliffe.

  27. philj 28

    xox
    Hoskin did a reasonable job of the interview,considering he is biased against Labour. I even heard him criticize Nats housing policy in a question to Key! And with Plonker Plunket having an epiphany after watching “All the Presidents Men”! There is none so blind as them in our MSM.

    Sing along, ( with a smile )

    ” Come on, Honest John,
    Throw in the towel,
    ( And ) move Right along “

  28. philj 29

    xox
    Claire Robinson is another wannabe right wing ‘influencer’ …. like Julie Christie?
    Enema time!

    • ghostwhowalksnz 29.1

      Julie thinks it all so ‘unfair’ After all Key has 65% popularity, and why bother with an election at all.

      The scary part is this moron is an influential director of TV3.

  29. heather tanguay 30

    John Key looked as if he wanted to leave, he looked uncomfortable and rattled, he had no edge at all. David Cunliff was on fire, he is waiting in the wings with great policies, ready to go. His performance, as almost all the media say was the best – come on Audrey catch up!

  30. TheContrarian 31

    I’d go 50/50 for that – a draw.

    Winner takes all next round.

  31. Jenny Kirk 32

    To Seeker @ 6.1.2

    You might think about putting in a complaint to the Broadcasting Standards Authority. You can go direct to them if its an election complaint – without having to go thru the broadcaster and waiting two weeks for a reply. Here’s the link

    http://bsa.govt.nz/complaints/election-programme-complaint

    [lprent: There is a problem with punctuation like the :// falling into autospam. Looks like I won’t be able to track it down and fix until tomorrow. In the meantime we’re just pulling messages out of spam. ]

  32. Jenny Kirk 33

    at Seeker 6.1.2 Have you tried putting in a complaint direct to the Broadcasting Standards Authority re TVNZ poll breakdown last night ? You can go direct to BSA without having to go thru the broadcaster because it would be an election complaint. I won’t put the link up because I’m having difficulty getting this message through – but just google BSA and go to complaints page and follow thru to the election complaints page.

    • Anne 33.1

      To make a formal complaint to TVNZ:

      http://tvnz.co.nz/content/823787

      I’ve just submitted a complaint and the more people who do so the better!!

      Note: You must first complain to the offending broadcaster/TV outlet, and then if their response is unsatisfactory you can refer the matter to the BSA.

      Always worth doing because it forces the broadcaster to toe the line regardless of the outcome.

  33. vto 34

    But how can this be anything other than Key being a “winner”. That is what he is, isn’t he? He is a winner – he has gone overseas and traded money and come back and bought a house at Omaha and has millions. He is a winner. He takes no prisoners. He epitomises all that is right and good with the neoliberal me-me-me generation. It is all about the self and Key is it. So how can Key be anything but a “winner”. What a winner.

    And how can Cunliffe be anything other than a loser? That is what the tv ad shows isn’t it? That’s they way in which people like Collins talk about people like Cunliffe … “what a loser”. He is not even in business ffs. Why isn’t Cunliffe milking his political business opportunities? What a loser. Wasting his time with losers in south Auckland and other “feral” places.

    winners and losers

    the choice is as clear as a bell

    unfortunately for key the tide is well on the ebb now and those previous ‘winners’ are no longer

    • Murray Olsen 34.1

      You’re 100% correct about the way people like Collins talk about people like Cunliffe, and it goes further than that. My PhD supervisor was Dan Walls, sometimes said to be the greatest Kiwi scientist since Rutherford. If he’d lived a few more years he very probably would have gained a Nobel Prize. At his funeral there were some businessmen from his church in Mission Bay/St. Heliers. They were saying what a waste it was that he’d used his brain for something other than business.

      The moneychangers need throwing out of a lot more than just the temple.

  34. Sable 35

    I never watched as I have no time for National or Labour, its MMP not a two horse FPP system anymore. I do remember the debate between John Kerry and Bush jnr for the US presidency. Kerry wiped the floor with Bush but Bush still won. So whilst this may be nice for Labour supporters I may not be that significant.

    What is important for Labourites is Labour getting its message out there which I do not believe they are doing well at all. Their bill boarding in particular this election has been woeful thus far when compared to National and the Greens….

    • Kiwiri 35.1

      Not that many Labour billboards. Lots of National and Greens. And nicely and clearly standing out are Internet-MANA.

    • aerobubble 35.2

      I sometimes wonder whether Labour might actually worry it will win, when the housing market is so close to collapse. The farm debt is high, all China needs is to throttle back a bit on milk (or the Eu start pumping it as I hear they are about to), and NZ housing prices start wobbling. I mean its a poisoned chalice, would explain why Key has such a hard time saying anything substantive as nothing to say. All style no substance.

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    As-salamu alaykum, Tena tatou katoa, Thank you all for being here today. To the Afghan human rights defenders and your family members, welcome to Aotearoa. And thank you Your Excellency for hosting us all here at Government House. We have with us today from Afghanistan, human rights advocates, journalists, judges, ...
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    2 days ago
  • Speech on tax changes for Build-to-Rent sector
    It’s my great pleasure to be able to speak with you about a really positive move for the Build-to-Rent sector. As you know, we announced changes last year to help steer property investors way from the existing pool of housing and toward solving New Zealand’s grave housing shortage - by ...
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  • Tax incentives to boost long-term rental supply
    ·      Tax changes aimed at growing quality, secure rental supply ·      New and existing build-to-rent developments exempt from interest limitation rules in perpetuity, when offering ten-year  tenancies ·      Exemption to apply from 1 October 2021. The Government is encouraging more long-term rental options by giving developers tax incentives for as ...
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    3 days ago
  • Govt marks 350th tower in push for improved rural connectivity
    The Government has marked another milestone in its push for better rural connectivity, welcoming the delivery of Rural Connectivity Group’s (RCG) 350th tower. Waikato’s Te Ākau, which sits roughly 50 kilometres out of Hamilton is home to the new tower. “The COVID 19 pandemic has highlighted the ever-increasing importance of ...
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    3 days ago
  • Joint Press Release: Trans-Tasman agriculture ministers discuss biosecurity co-operation
    Biosecurity co-operation topped the agenda when Australia and New Zealand’s agriculture ministers met yesterday. Australia’s Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry Senator Murray Watt met with his New Zealand counterpart, Damien O’Connor, Minister of Agriculture, Biosecurity, and Rural Communities in a conference call, which had particular focus on foot and ...
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  • Remote monitoring could give patients better care at home
    People could spend less time in hospital, thanks to a smart new remote device that lets patients be monitored at home, Health Minister Andrew Little says. “Technology has the potential to really change the way we do things – to do things that are  better for patients and at the ...
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    3 days ago
  • Government supporting kids’ learning success
    Concrete steps to clarify inclusive, evidence-informed teaching practices Strengthen capability supports along the professional pathway  Enhance partnerships between the education system and whānau, iwi, communities Embed equitable additional learning supports and assessment tools that help teachers effectively notice and respond to the needs of students Improved student achievement is a ...
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    3 days ago
  • Supporting prevention, preparedness and response to global pandemics
    Aotearoa New Zealand has committed to strengthen global prevention, preparedness and responses to future pandemics with seed funding for a new World Bank initiative, Foreign Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. “We cannot afford to wait until the next pandemic. We must all play our part to support developing countries ...
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    3 days ago
  • Overseas investors converting farms to forests must show benefit to New Zealand
    A law change to ensure that forestry conversions by overseas investors benefit New Zealand has passed its final reading in Parliament. Previously, overseas investors wishing to convert land, such as farm land, into forestry only needed to meet the “special forestry test”. This is a streamlined test, designed to encourage ...
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    4 days ago
  • International visitors boosting economic recovery
    International tourism recovery well underway with higher level of overseas visitor arrivals than previously expected UK and US card spend already back at pre-COVID levels Visitors staying in New Zealand longer and spending more compared to 2019 Govt support throughout pandemic helped tourism sector prepare for return of international ...
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    4 days ago
  • Ministry’s inaugural Strategy paves way for ethnic communities
    The Ministry for Ethnic Communities has released its first strategy, setting out the actions it will take over the next few years to achieve better wellbeing outcomes for ethnic communities Minister for Diversity, Inclusion and Ethnic Communities Priyanca Radhakrishnan announced today. “The Strategy that has been released today sets out ...
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    4 days ago
  • World class aquatic centre opened in Hawke’s Bay
    The Prime Minister has officially opened the Hawke’s Bay Regional Aquatic Centre today saying it is a huge asset to the region and to the country. “This is a world class facility which will be able to host national and international events including the world championships. With a 10-lane Olympic ...
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    4 days ago
  • Tulī Takes Flight winners take to the wing
    The Associate Minister of Education, Aupito William Sio, has today announced the recipients of the Tulī Takes Flight scholarships which were a key part of last year’s Dawn Raids apology. The scholarships are a part of the goodwill gesture of reconciliation to mark the apology by the New Zealand Government ...
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  • Govt supports free period products in over 2000 schools within one year
    96% of estimated menstruating students receive free period products 2085 schools involved 1200 dispensers installed Supports cost of living, combats child poverty, helps increase attendance Associate Minister of Education Jan Tinetti today hailed the free period products in schools, Ikura | Manaakitia te whare tangata, a huge success, acknowledging ...
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  • Govt boosts tourism transformation to strengthen workforce and improve outcomes
    The Tourism Industry Transformation Plan outlines key actions to improve the sector This includes a Tourism and Hospitality Accord to set employment standards Developing cultural competency within the workforce Improving the education and training system for tourism Equipping business owners and operators with better tools and enabling better work ...
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    5 days ago
  • NZ earns another major digital investment
    Minister for the Digital Economy and Communications Dr David Clark welcomes Google Cloud’s decision to make New Zealand a cloud region. “This is another major vote of confidence for New Zealand’s growing digital sector, and our economic recovery from COVID 19,” David Clark said. “Becoming a cloud region will mean ...
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  • Changes to NCEA & University Entrance in response to COVID-19 disruptions
    A package of changes to NCEA and University Entrance announced today recognise the impact COVID-19 has had on senior secondary students’ assessment towards NCEA in 2022, says Associate Minister of Education Jan Tinetti. “We have heard from schools how significant absences of students and teachers, as a result of COVID-19, ...
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  • 60th Anniversary of the Treaty of Friendship between Aotearoa New Zealand and Samoa- “Lifelong Fri...
    Te Reo Māori tauparapara… Tapatapa tū ki te Rangi! Ki te Whei-ao! Ki te Ao-mārama Tihei mauri ora! Stand at the edge of the universe! of the spiritual world! of the physical world! It is the breath of creation Formal acknowledgments… [Your Highness Afioga Tuimalealiifano Vaaletoa Sualauvi II and Masiofo] ...
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  • New law passed to reduce gun harm
    The Government’s commitment to combatting firearms violence has reached another significant milestone today with the passage of the Firearms Prohibition Order Legislation Bill, Police Minister Chris Hipkins says. The new law helps to reduce firearm-related crime by targeting possession, use, or carriage of firearms by people whose actions and behaviours ...
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  • Minister sends condolences as last Battle for Crete veteran passes away
    Minister for Veterans, Hon Meka Whaitiri sends her condolences to the last Battle for Crete veteran. “I am saddened today to learn of the passing of Cyril Henry Robinson known as Brant Robinson, who is believed to be the last surviving New Zealand veteran of the Battle for Crete, Meka ...
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    5 days ago
  • Three Strikes Legislation Repeal Bill passes third reading
    Legislation to repeal the ‘Three Strikes’ law has passed its third reading in Parliament. “The Three Strikes Legislation Repeal Bill ends an anomaly in New Zealand’s justice system that dictates what sentence judges must hand down irrespective of relevant factors,” Justice Minister Kiri Allan said. “The three strikes law was ...
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    5 days ago
  • Government working on preliminary steps to improve support for abuse survivors
    Work is under way on preliminary steps to improve the Government’s support for survivors of abuse in care while a new, independent redress system is designed, Public Service Minister Chris Hipkins says. These steps – recommended by the Abuse in Care Royal Commission of Inquiry – include rapid payments for ...
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    6 days ago
  • Remarks upon 77th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    Remembering Hiroshima and Nagasaki Online Forum 77 years ago today, an atomic bomb was dropped on the city of Nagasaki. Three days earlier, on the 6th of August 1945, the same fate had befallen the people of Hiroshima.  Tens of thousands died instantly. In the years that followed 340,000 ...
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  • Govt signs NZ–USA agreement launching new opportunities for space sector
    An agreement signed today between the New Zealand and United States governments will provide new opportunities for our space sector and closer collaboration with NASA, Economic and Regional Development Minister Stuart Nash said. Stuart Nash signed the Framework Agreement with United States Deputy Secretary of State, Wendy Sherman. The signing ...
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  • Govt strengthens emergency management cooperation between NZ and the US
    An agreement signed today between New Zealand’s National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and the United States’ Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) will strengthen global emergency management capability, says Minister for Emergency Management Kieran McAnulty. “The Government is committed to continually strengthening our emergency management system, and this Memorandum of Cooperation ...
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  • New Zealand to stay at Orange as winter continues
    New Zealand will remain at the Orange traffic light setting, while hospitalisations remain elevated and pressure on the health system continues through winter. “There’s still significant pressure on hospitals from winter illnesses, so our current measures have an ongoing role to play in reducing the number of COVID-19 cases and ...
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  • Path paved for communities to reshape streets
    Streets will soon be able to be transformed from unsafe and inaccessible corridors to vibrant places for all transport modes thanks to new legislation proposed today, announced Transport Minister Michael Wood. “We need to make it safe, quicker and more attractive for people to walk, ride and take public transport ...
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  • Boost for agricultural and horticultural science in schools
    More young minds eyeing food and fibre careers is the aim of new Government support for agricultural and horticultural science teachers in secondary schools, Agriculture and Rural Communities Minister Damien O’Connor announced today. The Government is committing $1.6 million over five years to the initiative through the Ministry for Primary ...
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  • Bumper breeding season boosts Kākāpō population
    Kākāpō numbers have increased from 197 to 252 in the 2022 breeding season, and there are now more of the endangered parrots than there have been for almost 50 years, Conservation Minister Poto Williams announced today. The flightless, nocturnal parrot is a taonga of Ngāi Tahu and a species unique ...
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    6 days ago
  • Relationship with Malaysia to be elevated to Strategic Partnership
    The relationship between Aotearoa New Zealand and Malaysia is to be elevated to the status of a Strategic Partnership, to open up opportunities for greater co-operation and connections in areas like regional security and economic development. Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta met her Malaysian counterpart Dato’ Saifuddin Abdullah today during a ...
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    6 days ago
  • Call for New Zealanders to get on-board with rail safety
    With additional trains operating across the network, powered by the Government’s investment in rail, there is need for a renewed focus on rail safety, Transport Minister Michael Wood emphasised at the launch of Rail Safety Week 2022. “Over the last five years the Government has invested significantly to improve level ...
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    7 days ago
  • Regional approach the focus at ASEAN and East Asia Summit talks
    The Foreign Minister has wrapped up a series of meetings with Indo-Pacific partners in Cambodia which reinforced the need for the region to work collectively to deal with security and economic challenges. Nanaia Mahuta travelled to Phnom Penh for a bilateral meeting between ASEAN foreign ministers and Aotearoa New Zealand, ...
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    1 week ago
  • Speech to the Criminal Bar Association
    Kia ora koutou Firstly, thank you to the President of the Criminal Bar Association, Fiona Guy Kidd QC, for her invitation to attend the annual conference this weekend albeit unfortunately she is unable to attend, I’m grateful to the warm welcome both Chris Wilkinson-Smith (Vice-President, Whanganui) and Adam Simperingham (Vice-President, Gisborne) ...
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    1 week ago
  • The beat goes on as Government renews support for musicians
    Extension of Aotearoa Touring Programme supporting domestic musicians The Programme has supported more than 1,700 shows and over 250 artists New Zealand Music Commission estimates that around 200,000 Kiwis have been able to attend shows as a result of the programme The Government is hitting a high note, with ...
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  • Minister of Defence to attend Guadalcanal Commemorations in the Solomon Islands
    Minister of Defence Peeni Henare will depart tomorrow for Solomon Islands to attend events commemorating the 80th anniversary of the Battle of Guadalcanal. While in Solomon Islands, Minister Henare will also meet with Solomon Islands Minister of National Security, Correctional Services and Police Anthony Veke to continue cooperation on security ...
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  • New programme to provide insights into regenerative dairy farming 
    The Government is partnering with Ngāi Tahu Farming Limited and Ngāi Tūāhuriri on a whole-farm scale study in North Canterbury to validate the science of regenerative farming, Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor announced today.   The programme aims to scientifically evaluate the financial, social and environmental differences between regenerative and conventional practices. ...
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  • More women on public boards than ever before
    52.5% of people on public boards are women Greatest ever percentage of women Improved collection of ethnicity data “Women’s representation on public sector boards and committees is now 52.5 percent, the highest ever level. The facts prove that diverse boards bring a wider range of knowledge, expertise and skill. ...
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  • Awards support Pacific women
    I am honoured to support the 2022 Women in Governance Awards, celebrating governance leaders, directors, change-makers, and rising stars in the community, said Minister for Pacific Peoples Aupito William Sio. For the second consecutive year, MPP is proudly sponsoring the Pacific Governance Leader category, recognising Pacific women in governance and presented to ...
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  • Govt investment into Whakatāne regeneration reaches new milestones
    Today Economic and Regional Development Minister Stuart Nash turned the sod for the new Whakatāne Commercial Boat Harbour, cut the ribbon for the revitalised Whakatāne Wharf, and inspected work underway to develop the old Whakatāne Army Hall into a visitor centre, all of which are part of the $36.8 million ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Government determined to get a better deal for consumers
    New Zealanders are not getting a fair deal on some key residential building supplies and while the Government has already driven improvements in the sector, a Commerce Commission review finds that  changes are needed to make it more competitive. “New Zealand is facing the same global cost of living and ...
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