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Arses and Elbows

Written By: - Date published: 1:21 pm, June 19th, 2014 - 123 comments
Categories: bill english, john key, national/act government, same old national - Tags: , ,

So, the Deputy Prime Minister insists that no-one from the ruling National Party knew of an eleven year old letter from Labour’s David Cunliffe asking Immigration about time frames for decision making.

Meanwhile, the Prime Minister states he knew of the letter for some weeks.

Scandalously, some ministers from the ruling National Party have sought to use their positions to overtly influence immigration matters.

Meanwhile, David Cunliffe forgot he had ever signed a letter eleven years ago that simply asked Immigration about time frames for decision making.

In keeping with not knowing your arse from your elbow, the National Party and their cheerleaders confuse and equate all of the above in an accidental, and probably successful, attempt to cover themselves in shit.

Trust the National Party, peeps. They really know what they are doing.

123 comments on “Arses and Elbows ”

  1. Gosman 1

    Bill English did not insist noone in National knew about the letter. He stated he wasn’t aware of anyone who knew about it.

    • freedom 1.1

      English was not aware of what the PM said only a couple of hours earlier on the same station….??
      Tui time for Gosman

      • Gosman 1.1.1

        So the alternative is he was well aware of what the PM stated and knowingly stated that he wasn’t even though it was obvious that he did. What would have been his reason for making a statement he knew could be shown to be inaccurate so easily?

        • Te Reo Putake 1.1.1.1

          He’s a tory? Seriously, Gosman, do you really believe that Key had some interesting dirt on Cunliffe and didn’t mention that to English? While simultaneously expecting English to lead the charge on said dirt in his absence?

        • mickysavage 1.1.1.2

          Hey Gossie

          Woodhouse has confirmed he had the letter on May 9 and then briefed the PM’s office on this. Do you really think that Blinglish did not know about it?

          Don’t you get the feeling the media has been manipulated?

          • the card 1.1.1.2.1

            So the question becomes who forwarded the OIA in April ?

          • Gosman 1.1.1.2.2

            Then that should be the Labour party’s counter attack line on this topic. Hammer Bill English for the blatant lie he told the media. Do you think that is the approach that Labour will take?

            • Anthony Bull 1.1.1.2.2.1

              That is the worst thing they can do – it would make them look even more incompetent than they have already managed.

              The term ‘flogging a dead horse’ comes to mind.

            • framu 1.1.1.2.2.2

              “Do you think that is the approach that Labour will take?”

              do you think we havent seen you shift the goalposts like this a million times before?

          • Tracey 1.1.1.2.3

            Come now mickey. Its obvious isnt it. This shows key doesnt trust his deputy. After judith collins he trusts no one who doesnt owe their existence to him. Thats why so many are gone from this govt under his watch. He has a private control siege mentality and a publuc smile.

            The smiling assassin. No proof needed cos thia all obviously adds up to crisis in nats cos their internal polling shoes more want a change of govt than will vote for nation.

            I expect to see this in the headlines tomorrow…

            Pm keeps depury in dark

            Pm lost trust in cabinet

          • Mike the Savage One 1.1.1.2.4

            Radio New Zealand’s Checkpoint just reported that Woodhouse got the letter with other info on Liu separately from the PM’s Office. They clearly reported that Woodhouse said, that the PM’s staff obtained the copy of David Cunliffe’s letter earlier and independently!

            So this creates new questions needing answers, I suppose.

            • Mike the Savage One 1.1.1.2.4.1

              Correction, TV3 reported, that Woodhouse got documents on Liu, including Cunliffe’s letter, about 2 weeks ago, and the PM’s Office got documents apparently 3 weeks ago, and Radio NZ may well have reported the same.

  2. Once was Tim 2

    And if EVER there was evidence of the National Party not knowing its A from its E, it’d have to be Mr S Joyce’s brainwave in which he’s cobbled together conflicting functionality in government administration, and come up with a bugger’s muddle called MoBIE.
    Not even its own staff think it was a grand idea. I even had to feel sorry for its CEO and certain members of its management I just had dealings with.
    It’s a bit like a forced marriage of ARSES and ELBOWS

  3. Tiger Mountain 3

    Quantum politics–the Liu letter existing simultaneously in both Key and Blinglish scenarios?

  4. Mike the Savage One 4

    Is this what came to the surface yesterday perhaps simply nothing else by the result of some “papers” dropping out of John Key’s now infamous “top drawer”? Following past developments Key and his staff will have made sure they got all kinds of OIA accessible documents – and possibly others obtained in more “dubious” ways, to prepare for election 2014. They make sure that stuff implicating themselves is kept secret, but feed other material to media and right wing bloggers.

    It is indeed a strange coincidence, that such a letter signed by David Cunliffe from 11 years ago suddenly gets attention, and while they say it was as a result of the Herald’s OIA, perhaps a little “hint” was given to some APN Herald staff?

    NO wonder Key has shown himself to be so over confident as of recent, despite of Banks having to resign.

    Yes, I fear there will be more to come, and this election campaign will be the dirtiest this country has ever seen, make no doubt about it.

    Despite of all, Labour should have prepared better for such tactics to be used, and also should have prepared a better media strategy.

    • Kevin Welsh 4.1

      How could they have been better prepared when “Cunliffe said his staff had been unable to find the letter, which was sent in 2003. Manual records were usually not kept for more than three years for privacy reasons. An electronic search had not found anything either.” (Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10178013/Labour-top-backs-David-Cunliffe)

      • Gosman 4.1.1

        Put in an OIA request to get the same data that the a ministry actually found.

      • Mike the Savage One 4.1.2

        Well, it always pays to keep certain backup files of sensitive correspondence, even beyond certain “usual” time frames. I am not sure what the Privacy Act allows, but I do not think that it is strictly forbidden to keep copies of such letters for longer, as one can argue, they may need to be kept for possible future reference, should legal or other questions arise.

        What I mean with “better prepared” is, to have a better media strategy, to be more on guard for surprise attacks, and to have a plan to follow, rather than be caught out and surprised.

        The letter was obtained by OIA from Immigration New Zealand, and Cunliffe did not go to Immigration NZ to check records, he had his staff look through old computer files, and some hard copy files. As certain old hard files had already been destroyed, nothing could be found, and apparently one copy was only kept in one staff member’s separate files, not accessed and found.

        If I was Cunliffe, I would have, before hammering at National and the government re Liu, and questions about donations and so forth, gone and sought info per OIA or Privacy Act request on correspondence with the man, from Immigration NZ. It does not sound and look very professional to sling around, and attack Williamson, Key and Collins, while having assisted migrants from a wealthy background himself, and simply “forgotten” about it. It was just a formal request to Immigration in that letter, but it is still considered as a low level form of advocacy.

        • lprent 4.1.2.1

          Both OIA and Privacy requests usually take a while. Typically about 30 days minimum.

          That Jared Savage got his hands on them in 2 days is to say the least unusual. That David Cunliffe had 30 minutes warning before the file was sent was even more surprising. Usually permission would have to be sought from participants?

          Exactly how corrupt is Woodhouse or the immigration department?

          • NZ Femme 4.1.2.1.1

            lprent, apparently Jared Savage sent his initial OIA request on May 8th. It was denied on June 16th, and he immediately refined his request, and resent it the same day. In those circumstances, is it still unusual to have a 2 day turn-around?

            According to Tim Murphy’s (Herald Editor) tweet, Woodhouse received the letter on May 9th – one day after Savage’s initial OIA request.

            • lprent 4.1.2.1.1.1

              That I don’t know. The first delay was pretty typical and short. I will ask Idiot/Savant because it does seem short.

              It’d be interesting OIA’ing the response back to Savage to find out if it contained instructions (implied or direct) about what to ask for.

          • Mike the Savage One 4.1.2.1.2

            Yes, they take about 20 working days, which can be roughly 4 weeks or a month, that is “usually”. As I have done the odd one, they can take much longer though, often months, depending on what was asked.

            I presume that the media do at times get a bit of preferential treatment, but even they often have to wait and do not always get what they ask for.

            The circumstances in this case are very unusual indeed.

            Woodhouse cannot be trusted, the look on his face tells me, he is a man with agendas and secrets.

  5. Macro 5

    Well it has to be what double Dipton says. I mean how could it not be. This is an honest man. A man who is above feathering his own nest at the expense of tax-payers. A man who would never stoop to lining the pockets of SCF “investors”, or distorting the facts, or misusing statistics for his own political advantage, or thinking of the voting public as “punters”. He is above all that. The PM however, well we know how shonkey he is! So obviously he has had another brain fade and forgot that he really only got the letter yesterday.

  6. Te Reo Putake 6

    Gotta love Bill English!

    Yesterday: Nobody in National knew.
    This morning: The PM knew.
    This arvo: The Minister knew.

    Can’t wait for tomorrow.

    • Kiwiri 6.1

      And Doctor Paul Hutchison took a look at Double Dipton’s elbow:

      • Rob 6.1.1

        And yet TRP if only David Cunnliffe knew, none of this would have happened.

        • framu 6.1.1.1

          no – a completely different set of innuendo and rumor would have eminated from the PMs office

  7. Craig Glen Eden 7

    John Key say’s he had the letter some weeks ago, English say’s he isnt aware of anyone in National having the letter till this week. HMMm so Key obviously does not trust English or the rest of his Party. Is this the start of Key’s dictatorship and has Key gone rogue?

  8. grumpy 8

    Seems like the only guy who didn’t know about the letter was the one who wrote it.

    • Craig Glen Eden 8.1

      So who knew a letter existed.? Who gave Woodhouse a copy of the letter weeks ago. When did the journalist do their Info request?

      • grumpy 8.1.1

        Cunliffe knew the letter existed – and lied about it.

        • Te Reo Putake 8.1.1.1

          Bullshit. If he knew about it, he would have said so, because the letter is completely innocuous.

          • grumpy 8.1.1.1.1

            So he wrote the letter after meeting Liu and didn’t know about it? Was he sleepwalking?

            • One Anonymous Bloke 8.1.1.1.1.1

              For one thing he wrote (probably just signed it but that makes him the author in my book cos he’s responsible for the contents) the letter asking that Mr. Lui (not Mr. Liu) be provided with a timetable.

              What makes you think they met, other than political expedience? He didn’t even know the guy’s name.

              • grumpy

                First sentence “I have been approached…”
                Can’t have been a phone call or even email as Liu didn’t speak English………
                Goes beyond belief that he would write a letter like that without even knowing or meeting the guy……and he seemed to know a lot about his business plans – eh?

                • Hayden

                  Can’t have been a phone call or even email as Liu didn’t speak English………

                  So, they met in person and Liu waved his hands about until Cunliffe figured out what he was on about?

                  Are you retiring this persona soon or something?

            • Te Reo Putake 8.1.1.1.1.2

              Who says he met Liu? Just you? If you have any evidence to show that, feel free to put your cards on the table. But even if he did, that doesn’t mean a hell of a lot. He’s an MP. He meets lots of people. I met a lot of people at the pub last Saturday night watching the AB’s, but I don’t recall all their names. I certainly would struggle to name people I may not even have met a decade ago, but your experience may differ.

              Btw, it’s a form letter. The kind of thing that gets bunged in front of MP’s all the time. Cunliffe didn’t write it, MP’s employ staff to do that for them in minor matters like this.

              • grumpy

                First sentance of his letter “I have been approached….”

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Yes, Grumpy, because meeting someone is the only way you can approach them. Why just the other day, I approached a potential client through their secretary to see if we could set up a meeting…no, wait…

                  • grumpy

                    Did their secretary speak English….?

                    • felix

                      grumpy, has it dawned on you yet that you’re actually arguing that Liu met with Cunliffe and discussed immigration issues despite not speaking a word of English?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Well, maybe Cunliffe conferenced in Rudd who knows Mandarin?

                    • Tracey

                      and john keys memory lapse, you agree they were all lies grumpy? Theres quite a few?

              • john

                When you have sentences in the letter detailing a list of companies Liu owns, the products they make, where they will be sold, and the time frame that they hope start up in, that’s hardly a form letter.

                • lprent

                  Yes it is. That is a letter done on a word processor. Standard template letter, drop in a couple of extra bits as required.

            • freedom 8.1.1.1.1.3

              I am troubled by the base level failure of comprehension being expressed by those waving Armstrong’s jockstrap. Forgoing the absurd and widely repeated declaration that the letter somehow actively endorses Liu’s application, there is no evidence or indeed any reason to imagine that Cunliffe met Liu, or does ‘made contact through an immigration agent’ mean something different on Planet Key?

            • Craig Glen Eden 8.1.1.1.1.4

              No he didnt write the letter numpty a staff member did 11 years ago please keep up. Cunliffe wouldnt of had to meet with him because he would of meet with the staff member who wrote the letter.

              • grumpy

                so when he states “i have been approached…”, he was lying then too?

                • Hayden

                  You do know “approached” has other meanings than simply walking up to something, don’t you?

                  • One Anonymous Bloke

                    When Grumpy approaches something he usually hits his head quite hard in consequence of which his memory isn’t that great.

                    • grumpy

                      In your case, colliding with reality is particularly painful – eh?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Which reality would that be? That this is well played by National? That it’s a bad look if you don’t scratch the surface? That that great big dent in the surface was the result of your last approach?

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  Only on Planet Grumpy. On Earth an approach can take a variety of forms, and a meeting is usually described as such.

                  • grumpy

                    You forget Liu didn’t speak english so phone and writing is out – next?

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      You banged your head again and forgot that the approach was made to Cunliffe’s office through a third party.

                    • framu

                      You forget Liu didn’t speak english so a face to face is out – next?

                    • Tracey

                      and john keys memory lapse, you agree they were all lies grumpy? Theres quite a few?

                • freedom

                  “by an immigration agent “

                  • grumpy

                    Nice try, but if that was so, we would know who he is by now.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      How, by making an approach? You’d just knock the poor guy unconscious.

                    • freedom

                      so Liu, you remember him (?) the guy who a few months back needed an interpreter (and a government minister) because he could not talk with the Police, was able to negotiate immigration issues on his own back in 2003 ?
                      lmao

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      Nice one Freedom. Reality’s Liberal bias strikes again 🙂

                    • Tracey

                      and john keys memory lapse, you agree they were all lies grumpy? Theres quite a few?

                • Tracey

                  and john keys memory lapse, you agree they were all lies grumpy? Theres quite a few?

        • the card 8.1.1.2

          Nah he may be gaffe prone but he’s not that stupid.

        • Tracey 8.1.1.3

          and john keys memory lapse, you agree they were all lies grumpy? Theres quite a few?

        • Tracey 8.1.1.4

          and john keys memory lapse, you agree they were all lies grumpy? There’s quite a few?

      • the card 8.1.2

        I’m pretty sure Ministers get copies of OIAs in relation to their portfolios.

        • john 8.1.2.1

          Under the “no surprises” policy, the police said they had to let relevant ministers in the govt know what OIA information they were about to release in the Williamson/Liu case.

  9. john 9

    The letter was only one of hundreds of documents on the Liu case, and of little value to National.

    That was until this week when Cunliffe denied ever helping Liu – several times.

    • freedom 9.1

      ok john, your harping is getting really boring. In plain english..what special assistance are you imagining this letter represents? In what way does this letter help Liu, outside of that which is to be expected by any member of the public when asking for the help of any MP regardless of their party affiliation constituency position or personal wealth?

      • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.1

        That isn’t how it works Freedom: the trick to repeating a lie is to keep repeating it, not to get bogged down in petty details.

        • freedom 9.1.1.1

          At school I used to get kicked out of class for the same petty need for accuracy! If something is wrong, it’s wrong .. right? 🙂

          • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.1.1.1

            No, that a lie repeated often enough becomes truth isn’t just the National Party manifesto, it’s been verified by scientific research too.

            They do it because it works.

            • freedom 9.1.1.1.1.1

              yup… sad but true, the beat goes on
              power is reality and truth is for suckers

      • john 9.1.2

        It’s blatantly obvious that by including the list of business interests, export information, and the time frame that they wanted to start exporting, that the letter from Cunliffe was a hurry up.

        Official Information documents show that at least one of the reasons Liu’s immigration application was slow was because the Department of Internal Affairs were investigating why he was on Interpols red list (along with investigations from two other government departments).

        However the letter itself would have been of little importance, if not for the fact that Cunliffe was highly critical of National helping Liu, then taking his money.

        Labour did the same thing, denied it, then got caught out on both counts.

        • freedom 9.1.2.1

          john, I have some tartan paint I would like to sell you

        • Tracey 9.1.2.2

          do you understand that williamson was interfering in a case of domestic violence against two people to which the offender later pleaded guilty? You think tgat is the same? Then you agree collins is a very bad woman who cannot possibly stay was minister of justice?

          Just trying to locate your shifting moral compass

          • john 9.1.2.2.1

            I was away for the Williamson fiasco but that sounds much worse.

            In writing the letter to help Liu, it’s highly likely Cunliffe did nothing wrong.

            Where he’s gone wrong is attacking National for helping Liu and taking his money, when Labour had been helping Liu and taking his money.

            That’s hypocrisy, but what made it significantly worse was denying getting donations and (repeatedly) denying helping Liu, then immediately getting caught out on both counts.

            That would be like Cunliffe attacking Banks on taking anonymous donations, then getting caught with a secret trust taking anonymous donations. Oh that’s right. That happened..

            Ok, a better example. It would be like Kim Dotcom complaining about someone breaching his copyright.

            The point when Cunliffe now attacks National on these subjects, he’s seen by the public to have no credibility.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 9.1.2.2.1.1

              Was Banks “attacked”* for taking anonymous donations? Or was he “attacked” for pretending they were anonymous? Perhaps you were away for that too.

              Or perhaps you’re just mendacious.

              Which is it, John? Is your comment mistaken, ignorant, or duplicitous?

              *by the Crown Solicitor, no less!

              • john

                Pretending they were anonymous, you mean like Cunliffe taking donations from his friend through his secret trust?

                • One Anonymous Bloke

                  No, I mean was your comment just ignorant and sloppy, or was that a(nother) feeble attempt to advance a false narrative?

                  Either way it undermines your credibility, but I’d like you to choose whether I treat you with charity or hostility and contempt.

                  • john

                    How you chose to regard it has absolutely no relevance to me.

                    I’m happy to debate ideas and issues, but if you prefer to debase your own argument and revert to personal abuse, that ‘s your choice.

                    • One Anonymous Bloke

                      As is your choice to argue in bad faith.

                      PS: behave like a maggot and I reserve the right to call attention to your resemblance to the larval offspring of an insect.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Oh fuck a voice pretending to be moderate and rational advocating for the radical and oligarchic and against the interests of his own neighbours. Meh.

                    • framu

                      theres that – “im so polite, but i will be a complete bullshit artist until someone tells me to get fucked so i can call them rude” tactic so favoured by the likes of srylands and friends

                • McFlock

                  nah, like intentionally signing a document banks knew to be false, the criminal…

                • Tracey

                  which friend? One of the three he named or one of the two he returned money to?

                  Can you name the people who paid $5000 each to dine at Antonine’s to raise money for Mr key?.

                  so you are basically saying that Mr Cunliffe should not have held the right to account for their behaviour, their lies, their misleading parliament, in case he himself had written a letter 11 years ago, asking for a time frame for a decision from immigration, before the subject of the letter had given any money to Labour and without his wife being on the board of any of Mr Liu’s companies? That’s what you object so strongly to?

                  Do you have any children?

            • Delia 9.1.2.2.1.2

              There is no proof that any donations were taken. I am waiting for our Dear Leader to produce that evidence. So far he has not. Right now the National party looks stupid.

  10. grumpy 10

    Clearly Key also has information on Liu’s donations to Labour (something Labour probably does not have). He probably also has information on Cunliffe’s secret donors. The leadup to this election is going to be gold, whoever thought it was smart to attack National over a glass of milk and donations from Liu was a genius.

    • Colonial Viper 10.1

      Full spectrum internet surveillance is a handy capability to have.

    • Hayden 10.2

      It wasn’t about a glass of milk, it was about using Ministerial travel and status to promote her husband’s company.

      Look here:
      http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1405/020520141724330001.pdf (PDF)

      Go to page 83 (85 in the PDF).

      Event

      Visit and tour of Oravida facilities

      Purpose

      To increase the profile of a successful importer and distributor of New Zealand products into China

      Actually, you probably know all that and choose to lie. Fair enough, I suppose.

  11. Gosman 11

    It does raise the question if this letter came up as part of a routine OIA request to verify governmental abd parliamentarian interaction with Mr Liu why didn’t Mr Cunliffe ‘ s office request the same data BEFORE making attacks on National over their links to the man?

    • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1

      Because National have come under attack for the nature of those links, not the fact that they exist. A convenient error on your part.

      • Gosman 11.1.1

        But why didn’t David Cunliffe’s office get this information?

        • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1.1.1

          It’s a fools errand when the media will attack him for doing his job. I note the little dogs throwing microphones at him never accuse the lying Prime Minister of lying. “You lied” – show me the last time a journalist said that to Judith Collins or John Key or even the criminal Banks.

          • Gosman 11.1.1.1.1

            Wah wah wah. Bitching about the horrid media doesn’t mean Cunliffe shouldn’t have done some more homework on this issue. Indeed it makes it more imperative that his team does so so he doesn’t get caught out by revelations such as yesterday’s.

            • One Anonymous Bloke 11.1.1.1.1.1

              Actually Gos, it does. The media will attack Cunliffe at the behest of the National Party whether there is substance to the allegations or not. Homework is pointless when you’re under attack for going to work.

              In strategic terms, the National Party is lighting fires. The use of fire in warfare is risky, to put it mildly. When the wind changes you burn too.

              • Gosman

                Excellent. I would love that to become a Labour party mantra. “The media will attack us regardless so don’t bother about doing the homework on anything”.

    • grumpy 11.2

      Jeez, Gosman, you don’t half state the obvious……

  12. JK 12

    THIS is what should be plastered all over the media, and be of concern to NZ people and journalists
    – ShonKey and the USA Secretary of State John Kerry – putting nuclear power on the agenda.
    Much more important to NZ people than Cunliffe’s memory of 11 years ago.

    This is a quote from Stuff online –

    ” But one of the issues on Kerry’s agenda when he spoke to the gathering of Pacific leaders was a topic that used to be a thorn in the side of New Zealand-US relations – nuclear power.
    New Zealand’s refusal to distinguish between nuclear powered warships and those carrying nuclear weapons was at the heart of the decades-old Anzus bustup and freeze on US-NZ relations till the early 2000s.
    But Kerry was less interested in that dispute than in the benefits of nuclear power in the future – using a wide-ranging speech addressing climate change and ocean depletion to press the advantages of nuclear energy.
    Ignoring the traditional sensitivities on the issue, Kerry warned that nuclear energy was an inevitable response to the world’s climate change and pollution problems. “

  13. dimebag russell 13

    so what did the letter say?

  14. Matthew Hooton 14

    “Scandalously, some ministers from the ruling National Party have sought to use their positions to overtly influence immigration matters.”

    Hilarious. It was Labour who gave Liu residency one day before the 2005 election. And Labour that gave Bill Liu the same, against advice.

    And what is your problem with ministers “overtly” influencing immigration matters. The law allows them too (unfortunately). Would you prefer they influence immigration matters “covertly”??

    • redfred 14.1

      It is the purchasing of influence that we are concerned about, and we are lacking the evidence that Cunliffe did that, no smoking gun, no donation, no nothing apart from an innocuous form letter, that was a simple request.

      No even in the same ball park as

      Minister Williamson trying to influence a police investigation.
      Minister Nick Smith trying to influence ACC payments for his lover

      These two should have been thrown out of parliament for this.

      Hardly worth mentioning when our Prime Minister lies about Golfing donations from Orivida
      Did we have John Amstrong squealing for Key resignation over this blatant lie?

      The stink over this mess is emanating from John Keys office

      • Anthony Bull 14.1.1

        Williamson didn’t try to influence a police investigation.

        • Colonial Viper 14.1.1.1

          Really? So why did he call the police up about an active operational criminal matter?

        • Tracey 14.1.1.2

          So when he described him as welathy so they had better make sure they get their facts straight, he was just advising on operational matters? Oh wait, that would be for the Minister of Police? Oh wait, Ministers cant interfere in operational matters? Oh wait Williamson wasn’t Minister for Police, he was just the Cable Guy

    • Once was Tim 14.2

      Quick question Matty Ho …. PR is something that can be more readily rescinded than citizenship? I’m only asking since you have a reputation of being the expert on everything and its dog. And I understand it’s especially easier if that PR status was granted under false pretenses.
      Ekshly, the more I think about it, you should be really really greatful that all those bleeding heart lefty bloody liberals aren’t really that much into revenge. Give it a year or two though, and who knows what might eventuate.

    • dimebag russell 14.3

      if you know so much where did john keys get $80,000,000 from?

    • framu 14.4

      well they make a dogs breakfast of immigration cases and its the poor staff who cop the flak everytime it blows up in the media for start

    • Tracey 14.5

      by covertly do you mean like when Williamson phone the cops to give them a stern talking to on behalf of an accused domestic violence perpetrator?

      Or do you mean when the Minister of Justice pretended she just popped into Oravida on the way to the airport (in the opposite direction), despite it being part of her itinerary, her husband being on the Board, and her pretend private dinner being originally arranged by MFAT?

  15. redfred 15

    http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/john-key-admits-keeping-dirt-file-labour-mps-5655555

    Prime Minister John Key has admitted he keeps a dirt file on Labour MPs in his top drawer.

    But the Prime Minister says he receives a lot of scandalous information.

    “I’ve had plenty of people who’ve rung me up with information about Labour MPs,” he said.

    “And I’ve done the same thing to every person that’s rung me. I’ve written it down, put it in my top drawer and kept it to myself. I’m just not interested in engaging in it.”

    Mr Key quipped that if he writes a book one day, people will find it “quite fascinating”.

    In this case kindly supplied by the NZ police

    • framu 15.1

      which is weird – we have the PM, FFS, basically admitting hes neck deep in the smears, and engaging in trial by gossip and how many journos call him out on acting like a character from mean girls?

  16. ffloyd 16

    Dogs seem to be featuring today! Has anyone seen Emerson in the herald today? Very funny and so true.

    [lprent: Thanks… Posted. ]

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    The Government has deployed a Royal New Zealand Air Force P-3K2 Orion (P-3) maritime patrol aircraft to support the implementation of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions imposing sanctions against North Korea, announced Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters and Minister of Defence Ron Mark. “New Zealand has long supported ...
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  • Pacific trade and development agreement a reality
    Pacific regional trade and development agreement PACER Plus will enter into force in 60 days now that the required eight countries have ratified it. Trade and Export Growth Minister David Parker welcomed the announcement that the Cook Islands is the eighth nation to ratify this landmark agreement. “The agreement represents ...
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    6 days ago
  • Securing a pipeline of teachers
    The Government is changing its approach to teacher recruitment as COVID-19 travel restrictions continue, by boosting a range of initiatives to get more Kiwis into teaching. “When we came into Government, we were faced with a teacher supply crisis,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “Over the past three years, we ...
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  • Border exceptions for a small number of international students with visas
    The Government has established a new category that will allow 250 international PhD and postgraduate students to enter New Zealand and continue their studies, in the latest set of border exceptions. “The health, safety and wellbeing of people in New Zealand remains the Government’s top priority. Tight border restrictions remain ...
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    1 week ago
  • First COVID-19 vaccine purchase agreement signed
    The Government has signed an agreement to purchase 1.5 million COVID-19 vaccines – enough for 750,000 people – from Pfizer and BioNTech, subject to the vaccine successfully completing all clinical trials and passing regulatory approvals in New Zealand, say Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods and Health Minister Chris Hipkins. ...
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  • International statement – End-to-end encryption and public safety
    We, the undersigned, support strong encryption, which plays a crucial role in protecting personal data, privacy, intellectual property, trade secrets and cyber security.  It also serves a vital purpose in repressive states to protect journalists, human rights defenders and other vulnerable people, as stated in the 2017 resolution of the ...
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  • Ministry of Defence Biodefence Assessment released
    The Ministry of Defence has today released a Defence Assessment examining Defence’s role across the spectrum of biological hazards and threats facing New Zealand. Biodefence: Preparing for a New Era of Biological Hazards and Threats looks at how the NZDF supports other agencies’ biodefence activities, and considers the context of ...
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  • New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020
    New Approaches to Economic Challenges: Confronting Planetary Emergencies: OECD 9 October 2020 Hon David Parker’s response following Thomas Piketty and Esther Duflo. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening, wherever in the world you might be. I first acknowledge the excellent thought provoking speeches of Thomas Piketty and Esther ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Kaipara Moana restoration takes next step
    A Memorandum of Understanding has been signed today at Waihāua Marae between the Crown, local iwi and councils to protect, restore and enhance the mauri of Kaipara Moana in Northland. Environment Minister David Parker signed the document on behalf of the Crown along with representatives from Ngā Maunga Whakahī, Ngāti ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • New Zealand and Uruguay unite on reducing livestock production emissions
    Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor and Uruguayan Minister of Livestock, Agriculture and Fisheries Carlos María Uriarte have welcomed the launch of a three-year project that will underpin sustainable livestock production in Uruguay, Argentina, and Costa Rica.  The project called ‘Innovation for pasture management’ is led by Uruguay’s National Institute of Agricultural ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • 3100 jobs created through marae upgrades
    Hundreds of marae throughout the country will be upgraded through investments from the Provincial Growth Fund’s refocused post COVID-19 funding to create jobs and put money into the pockets of local tradespeople and businesses, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta have announced. “A total ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Health volunteers recognised in annual awards
    Health Minister Chris Hipkins has announced 9 teams and 14 individuals are the recipients of this year’s Minister of Health Volunteer Awards.  “The health volunteer awards celebrate and recognise the thousands of dedicated health sector volunteers who give many hours of their time to help other New Zealanders,” Mr Hipkins ...
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  • Community COVID-19 Fund supports Pacific recovery
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says a total of 264 groups and individuals have successfully applied for the Pacific Aotearoa Community COVID-19 Recovery Fund, that will support Pacific communities drive their own COVID-19 recovery strategies, initiatives, and actions. “I am keen to see this Fund support Pacific ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Community benefits from Māori apprenticeships
    Up to 50 Māori apprentices in Wellington will receive paid training to build houses for their local communities, thanks to a $2.75 million investment from the Māori Trades and Training Fund, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Ngāti Toa Rangatira Incorporated to provide its Ngā Kaimahi ...
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  • Training fund supports Māori jobseekers
    Rapidly growing sectors will benefit from a $990,000 Māori Trades and Training Fund investment which will see Wellington jobseekers supported into work, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “This funding will enable Sapphire Consultants Ltd. to help up to 45 Māori jobseekers into paid training initiatives over two years through ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Ruakura Inland Port development vital infrastructure for Waikato
    The Government is investing $40 million to develop an inland port at Ruakura which will become a freight super-hub and a future business, research and residential development for the Waikato, Urban Development and Transport Minister Phil Twyford, and Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta announced today. The funding has been has ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Appointments made to Defence Expert Review Group
    Defence Minister Ron Mark announced today the establishment of an Expert Review Group to review a number of aspects of the New Zealand Defence Force’s (NZDF) structure, information management and record-keeping processes.  The Expert Review Group’s work arises out of the first recommendation from the Report of the Government’s Inquiry ...
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  • No active community cases of COVID-19
    There are no active community cases of COVID-19 remaining in the country after the last people from the recent outbreak have recovered from the virus, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “This is a big milestone. New Zealanders have once again through their collective actions squashed the virus. The systems ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Clean energy upgrade for more public buildings
    More public buildings will be supported by the Government to upgrade to run on clean energy, the Minister for Climate Change James Shaw announced today. Minister Shaw announced that Lincoln and Auckland universities will receive support through the Clean-Powered Public Service Fund to replace fossil fuel boilers. Southern, Taranaki, and ...
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  • Schools back donations scheme for the second year
    More schools have opted in to the donations scheme for 2021, compared to 2020 when the scheme was introduced. “The families of more than 447,000 students will be better off next year, with 94% of eligible schools and kura opting into the scheme,” Education Minister Chris Hipkins said. “This is ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Ruapehu cycle trails gets PGF boost
    The spectacular Mountains to Sea cycle trail in Ruapehu District will receive $4.6 million in funding from the Provincial Growth Fund for two additional trails, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones announced today. “This is an exciting development for the local community, and one that will provide significant economic opportunities ...
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    2 weeks ago
  • Update to air border order strengthens crew requirements
    Additional measures coming into effect on Monday will boost our defence against COVID-19 entering New Zealand through the air border, Health Minister Chris Hipkins said today. “As part of our precautionary approach and strategy of constant review, we’re tightening the requirements around international aircrew,” Chris Hipkins said. The COVID-19 Public ...
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    3 weeks ago
  • A true picture of Māori business activity
    A better picture of the contribution Māori businesses make to the economy will be possible with changes to the way information is collected about companies and trading enterprises. Māori Development Minister Nanaia Mahuta and Small Business Minister Stuart Nash have announced a new option for Māori enterprises who are part ...
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    3 weeks ago
  • PGF funding for Taranaki projects
    The South Taranaki museum, a New Plymouth distillery and a Pasifika building firm will benefit from a Government investment totalling more than $1 million, Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones says. The $1.05m in grants and loans from the Provincial Growth Fund (PGF) will help the recipients expand and create ...
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    3 weeks ago
  • Fijian Language Week 2020 inspires courage and strength during COVID-19 pandemic
    The Minister for Pacific Peoples, Aupito William Sio says the theme for the 2020 Fijian Language Week reflects the strong belief by Fijians that their language and culture inspires courage and strength that is strongly needed in times of emergencies, or through a significant challenge like the global COVID-19 pandemic ...
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    3 weeks ago
  • Trades training builds on iwi aspirations
    An investment of $2.025 million from the Māori Trades and Training Fund will support Māori to learn new skills while making a positive difference for their communities, announced Employment Minister Willie Jackson today. “K3 Development Limited Partnership will receive $2,025,000 for its Takitimu Tuanui apprenticeship programme, which will support the ...
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    3 weeks ago
  • Conservation Minister plants two millionth tree in Raglan restoration
    A long-term conservation project led by the Whaingaroa Harbour Care group in the western Waikato reaches a significant milestone this week, with the planting of the two millionth tree by the Minister of Conservation Eugenie Sage. “Planting the two millionth tree crowns 25 years of commitment and partnership involving Whaingaroa ...
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