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1. irascible 1

   17 August 2013 at 9:40 am

   Youth branch of National-ACT to protest at bullying of PinoKeyo at meeting???
   http://theirasciblecurmudgeon.blogspot.co.nz/2013/08/the-young-national-act-party-members-to.html
   • Huginn 1.1

     17 August 2013 at 9:47 am

     Except that ACT on Campus have made their opposition to the GCSB clear.
     • irascible 1.1.1

       17 August 2013 at 10:47 am

       Interesting to hear that some ACTors have discovered ethics and social responsibility despite their propestity to wear tin foil helmets when anywhere near a Left wing blog site or Party member. It’s a pity their elders, like Banks, haven’t yet formed a socially responsible ethical basis for their existence apart from selfish self interest… like the characters in the cartoon on the Curmudegeon’s blog.
       • Huginn 1.1.1.1

         17 August 2013 at 12:04 pm

         They are worried for the same reasons as everyone else.
2. Jenny 2

   17 August 2013 at 11:02 am

   Can someone staple this notice to David Shearer’s forehead in case he forgets to turn up?
   • jaymam 2.1

     18 August 2013 at 10:24 pm

     He’ll probably be late and stand at the back, waving and looking angry!
     Will you be on the podium, being a better speaker and all?
3. Penny Bright 3

   17 August 2013 at 11:14 am

   WAIHEKE RADIO GCSB ALERT!! ! (107.4FM / 88.3FM)

   TODAY, Saturday 17 August 2013, from 11.20am – 11.45am Jax Taylor will be talking about the GCSB Bill, and upcoming
   Public Meeting against the GCSB Bill (Monday night, 19 August 2013, 7pm Auckland Town Hall, Queen St Auckland City). Tune in!

   Most importantly – DON’T FORGET TO COME TO THIS ANTI-GCSB PUBLIC MEETING!

   Tell your friends! Family! Neighbours!

   If YOU support our lawful rights to privacy, and are opposed to ‘BIG BROTHER STATE’ spying on New Zealanders – stand up to be counted!
   (Actually, at the Auckland Town Hall – you’ll be able to sit down – if you get there early! 😉

   For more information about the GCSB, and how to give MPs supporting the GCSB Bill a message they CAN’T ignore?

   http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilapeal.org.nz

   Penny Bright
4. Veutoviper 4

   17 August 2013 at 11:32 am

   Alastair Thompson (Scoop) is still on the case in trying to persuade Dunne to oppose the GCSB Bill, but without success – latest Twitter exchanges https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterDunneMP

   however, there is a link there to a NBR article by Rob Hosking yesterday which is well worth reading as it focuses on why small government conservatives should be worried by the GCSB Bill.

   http://t.co/eNVibE16Qs

   It appears this was behind the paywall yesterday, but is now freely available for the moment at least.
   • Jenny 4.1

     17 August 2013 at 11:58 am

     Alastair Thompson (Scoop) is still on the case in trying to persuade Dunne to oppose the GCSB Bill….

     …… small government conservatives should be worried by the GCSB Bill.

     Veutoviper

     In the campaign to overturn the one vote majority this bill requires to be passed. Likely National MPs need to lobbied as well.

     In the campaign against Nuclear ship Mike Minogue and Marilyn Waring were persuaded to vote against the government. But in that case, the whole opposition was in support of the private members bill put up by Richard Prebble to ban nuclear ship visits.

     However, how can we expect National MPs who are worried about this legislation to vote with their conscience. When the leader of the opposition seems to be conflicted about whether he should leave this legislation in place if he gets to be PM.

     To convince any Nats to vote against this bill. The first thing we must do is to endeavor to get the leader of the opposition up on to the stage, to stand in solidarity with all the other opposition speakers.

     Until that happens you haven’t got a campaign.
   • AsleepWhileWalking 4.2

     17 August 2013 at 12:07 pm

     Thanks Veutoviper. Really good article there.
   • Huginn 4.3

     17 August 2013 at 12:12 pm

     The NBR article is a scorcher:

     One of the most unfortunate aspects of the whole business is the way in which political parties such as the Greens and Labour, not to mention a few self-dramatising left wing journalists, have captured the whole issue.

     This has clouded rather than illuminated the issues . . .

     . . . think on this: what will those politicians from the left wing parties like the Greens or Labour do with these powers when and if they attain office?

     ff you think they will do anything rather than use these powers to further bolster the size of the state in our lives, then I have an emissions trading scheme to sell you.
5. Plan B 5

   17 August 2013 at 12:23 pm

   Fear is the Key and why this tale needs simple stories

   The only way to get people engaged- people that matter that is- Auckland property owning snapper loving people. Is to tell them stories about people like them.

   People like them who have innocently climbed the property ladder over the past 5-8 years , people who text each other and email. People who file tax returns that fail to mention the capital gains on the last couple of houses.
   Trouble is coming for these people. Tax Avoidance is a crime, conspiracy to avoid tax and to to create schemes to avoid tax sounds like a big crime.

   Trolling all data over the past 5-8 years of such people looking for key words such as flipping, capital gain, ‘lets find ourselves another house to flip’- or pretty much any combination of those words may well show intent, then charges are laid, assets seized, the couple are in jail as they are a flight risk- all those trips to Fiji and the Gold Coast will need explaining. And they are now of no fixed abode and they don’t have jobs so prison is probably best, trouble is that the kids are now in care.

   This story only needs a willing government that needs to get tax revenue and people who have own a few properties. Anything they have ever said can and will be used against them by the full power of the state.

   Now my story is not well written but it is stories that we need simple tales that explain why everyone has something to hide. Fear is the key.
   • Huginn 5.1

     18 August 2013 at 4:07 am

     You mean like the couple who are going to lose their house in a civil asset seizure initiated by US Homeland Security but executed by a local legal services contractor because their grandson carelessly used their internet connection to download a bootleg file of episode 1 of Game of Thrones VIII from an encrypted site in Iceland, one afternoon when he was over for family lunch?
6. Jenny 6

   17 August 2013 at 10:07 pm

   “The spies are reading my blog”.
7. AmaKiwi 7

   18 August 2013 at 10:33 am

   On August 17, 1975, U.S. Senator Frank Church appeared on NBC television’s Meet the Press to discuss the results of his full-scale investigation into America’s burgeoning intelligence capabilities. Senator Church revealed startling information and closed with a dire warning to every citizen of the United States:

   “American intelligence gathering capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left. Such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn’t matter. (Prior to internet.) There would be no place to hide.”

   “If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how precisely it was done, is within reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.”

   “I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that (the NSA) and all the agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision so that we never cross that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”
8. Fred 8

   18 August 2013 at 6:05 pm

   It would be great if someone put together similar to this showingthe Litany of Lies of the National Party
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1zoDvriOU
9. Fred 9

   18 August 2013 at 6:19 pm

   One of the reasons they are rushing this bill through. With the massive ‘Rethink 911 Worldwide Campaign underway’ people around the world are beginning to Wake Up to the Truth

   http://rethink911.org/

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