Bill English: making it up as he goes along

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1. mickysavage 1

   18 August 2010 at 8:38 am

   Good post.

   I could not believe it when English said this. Maybe the report was from the Climate Change Coalition. They are really good with making stuff up.

   Don’t forget that under Labour net Crown debt was zero about a year out from the election. It then moved up but only because of the stimulus package that Labour put in place which National rebranded as its own.
2. Richard 2

   18 August 2010 at 9:12 am

   Also notable is how much Labour lifted the minimum wage during their nine years in power. The biggest wage growth was to those at the bottom of the heap.
   • prism 2.1

     18 August 2010 at 11:30 am

     Richard The biggest wage growth was to those at the bottom of the heap.

     Do you mean that the biggest ‘percentage’ wage growth was to those at the bottom? In actual money the stats show that the top of the heap got the most extra cash, often receiving the same as one (or more) beneficiary’s annual living as a bonus or salary rise. The middle class do OK if both work in well paying jobs.

     Low wage growth isn’t high compared to the other wage strata except in percentage terms which are calculated on a low base so might have gone up by 50% ie from $10 an hour to $15.
     • bbfloyd 2.1.1

       18 August 2010 at 2:28 pm

       P…apart from playing semantics, do you have a point to make?
       • prism 2.1.1.1

         18 August 2010 at 8:57 pm

         Yes bbfloyd I thought the point that was made was incorrect. Seems you have understood that. What’s your point?
3. Armchair Critic 3

   18 August 2010 at 9:41 am

   Bill English’s tenure as Finance Minister has been characterised mostly by stasis, with fits of improvisation.
   I’ve pondered why, and can only conclude that it relates to the need to “swallow a few dead rats” to be re-elected in 2011, after which the iron fist will be taken out of the velvet glove. If National win.
   Expect another year of “do nothing”, mixed with hints of “making it up as he goes along”. And hope Labour get their collective shit together.
4. Lanthanide 4

   18 August 2010 at 10:54 am

   I really wish these stats posts that completely pick apart Blinglish’s sloppy antics were given much higher prominence, like in a national newspaper or something. Just somewhere very public so that he can be embarrassed each time he spouts such drivel, so hopefully he would stop doing it.
   • James 4.1

     18 August 2010 at 9:33 pm

     Links to the sources would be great too. I can never find my way around the Gov websites for stuff I can easily throw at Nat supporters.
5. tc 5

   18 August 2010 at 10:55 am

   We cry because these porkys have been going on awhile now and it never seems to make it beyond blogs like this rather than the MSM so those that voted these chumps in can see the lies and lack of any plan/vision.

   I thought there were consequences for misleading the house?
   • mickysavage 5.1

     18 August 2010 at 11:26 am

     I thought there were consequences for misleading the house?

     There should be. Debate is one thing. Misleading is another.
6. Zaphod Beeblebrox 6

   18 August 2010 at 11:03 am

   Why does he feel compelled to blab on about the past? Does he have targets or aspirations for the future? How does he intend achieving his goals. Does he have any KPI’s we can measure him by.

   PS Might want to tell him he is no longer in opposition.
   • Draco T Bastard 6.1

     18 August 2010 at 2:03 pm

     He feels compelled to blab on about the past because his vision for the future is the past – circa 15th century where him and his rich mates get to be lords and ladies and everyone else is dying of starvation.
7. pollywog 7

   18 August 2010 at 11:11 am

   This chump needs to disappear back to dipton. We didn’t want him as PM, a leader for teh National party and certainly not as finance minister. The guy has the Midas touch….if it happened that everything Midas touched turned to shit.

   Cunliffe really needs to challenge this guy to a public debate on the facts and show the bumbling dipshit up for what he is…
8. RedLogix 8

   18 August 2010 at 11:39 am

   Well done Marty. This is the kind of thing you do best of all.

   You really have to think Billy Boy gets away with these porkies because the majority of people in positions of power and influence want him to keep spinnng these comforting lies to them.
   • Rosy 8.1

     18 August 2010 at 11:48 am

     What really bothers me is the Speaker lets them get away with it. And allows them to say ‘I’m not responsible for…[insert statement/report from quango or SOE here]’ when it is patently obvious that they should be in terms of policy. Grrr.

     anti-spam: source 🙂
     • bbfloyd 8.1.1

       18 August 2010 at 2:33 pm

       lockwood’s been effectively neutered. he just gonna do what massa john tell him.
   • Draco T Bastard 8.2

     18 August 2010 at 2:05 pm

     He gets away with it because the MSM aren’t showing this level of reporting.
     • bbfloyd 8.2.1

       18 August 2010 at 2:35 pm

       are you surprised? have you seen what passes for political reporting here? henry paul… et al..
9. bbfloyd 9

   18 August 2010 at 4:47 pm

   if bill was a blues singer he would be a match for stevie ray vaughan. the master improviser!!!
10. burt 10

    18 August 2010 at 5:35 pm

    You need to look at the PM’s salary in 1999 vs the PM’s salary in 2008. Circa 90% increase – how did that compare to the working people represented by Labour ?
    • bbfloyd 10.1

      18 August 2010 at 7:38 pm

      ask the people at the higher salaries commission to repeat what has been said, many times especially so that you can get it.
      i know you want to play too, but bill does it better than you, so best leave him to it.
11. Ron 11

    18 August 2010 at 7:51 pm

    The Labour campaign for the next election should run with billboards showing Nat Ministers with the word USELESS written under their name. The next billboard along the road should show the same Minister and an MP from the Maori or ACT parties with the words NEXT TO USELESS written underneath. A shot of peter Dunne could just have the word “who?”
12. Fisiani 12

    18 August 2010 at 8:47 pm

    Today in Parliament. Q1 It shows the simplistic economic illiteracy detailed above. (Hint. next time try thinking about inflation and tax creep) Hon BILL ENGLISH (Minister of Finance) : I mentioned yesterday a report that showed that in the 9 years from September 1999 to September 2008, real after-tax wages in New Zealand grew by only 3 percent in total. I thought that number must be wrong, and I asked my office to check it. The figure is correct. But in fact almost all of that growth happened in the first 4 years of the period. In the last 5 years, from September 2003 to September 2008, there was essentially no growth in real after-tax wages in New Zealand.
    • Armchair Critic 12.1

      18 August 2010 at 8:53 pm

      Yep, it’s a stark difference between the two parties. Labour had real wages rising, even Bill acknowledges this. National openly stated that they want to see wages fall. And they look like they will succeed in their stated goal.
      • Fisiani 12.1.1

        18 August 2010 at 9:42 pm

        Got a link to such a ridiculous claim? It’s just the same unbelievable bullshit as the discredited GST claim.
        • Armchair Critic 12.1.1.1

          18 August 2010 at 10:30 pm

          What this? You are the gold-medalist at not providing links to back up your assertions. Now you are demanding others back up their assertions with links.
          Clown! This is easy.
          Bill English acknowledges that real wages grew under Labour here. But you knew that.
          John Key is quoted as saying he would like to see wages drop here. And here. And there’s this curious “he said it, but didn’t mean it” bit here. I especially like the bit where the reporter says “We have a transcript of the meeting and we are happy that the quotes printed in the story are an accurate record of what Mr Key said.“

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1. The Standard: posted on 17 August 2010 at 8:25 pm
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