BLiP View: Crusher missing in action

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1. lprent 1

   23 February 2010 at 8:21 am

   This list isn’t comprehensive (I suspect BLiP was looking for incidents with links). I can think of a few others offhand. However it is rather compelling…

   Heard a civil liberties organisation on the radio this morning making a similar comment.
2. Clarke 2

   23 February 2010 at 9:06 am

   Lovely piece of research, BLiP.

   The idea that harsher penalties should apply for assaulting police rather than any other common-or-garden citizen seems particularly bizarre. However I think Crusher needs to take it to the next level, and combine her law and order policy with Bill English’s tax cuts.

   The MSM were pushing the line on TV last night that police officers are valuable members of society, so penalties should reflect this. As we know from practically all areas of NACT policy, your value to society is decided solely by your net wealth and/or income, so I think there should be a sliding scale of penalties based on fiscal health.

   Basically, the wealthier the person you hit, the more time you spend in jail.

   This means that the activists who assaulted John Key at Waitangi last year would go down for a couple of centuries, while taking a swipe at a bloke with an average income, a house in the suburbs and a Commodore on HP would only get you a couple of years.

   Best of all, it would mean that there would be no jail time at all for hitting people with no assets – “beneficiary bashing” could take on a whole new meaning.

   Now that’s the kind of innovative hard-right thinking we should be expecting from Crusher Collins! I’m looking forward to her press release.
   • gitmo 2.1

     23 February 2010 at 9:13 am

     “Basically, the wealthier the person you hit, the more time you spend in jail.”

     Well if it’s ok in terms of rates and progressive taxation why not ?
     • Mach1 2.1.1

       23 February 2010 at 10:18 am

       Well a Day-fine would be nice
   • prism 2.2

     23 February 2010 at 9:50 am

     Brilliant Clarke.
     • Tigger 2.2.1

       23 February 2010 at 10:22 am

       This would make a superb mock press release Clarke, it’s excellent satire.
   • BLiP 2.3

     23 February 2010 at 12:04 pm

     Heh! And, brilliant!!

     But why stop with assault? Perhaps if you rob a bank you should get more than if you rob a person. If you’re driving a 2010 model car may you should be able to drive at 120kph . . . and so on.
3. gitmo 3

   23 February 2010 at 9:11 am

   Another dig at the police disguised as a political post, are the police fair game according to BLIMP ?

   You am retard also.
   • lprent 3.1

     23 February 2010 at 9:50 am

     Actually we’re happy to post straight digs at the police. In fact I’ve written them.

     The problem with the police force is that they run under a quite archaic management structure. They simply don’t have channels to get feedback about their perceived performance.

     After all their only oversight is a rather compliant police minister who seems to spend more time looking at how to put pathetic laws in place, and the IPCA which is so completely toothless that most activists only put complaints into them to find out how long it is before they get a whitewash. Sure the police get a lot of people contact. However it is largely with perps or victims – hardly likely to give them good feedback.

     The MSM seldom bother to get at the meat of the polices internal structural and cultural issues. Blogs like this are useful to the police (although they may not feel so) because they get some pretty straight feedback from a wider perspective.

     Slavishly drooling over the police in the way that you seem to want to do (and which seems to be Bretts standard response) simply isn’t useful.
     • gitmo 3.1.1

       23 February 2010 at 10:08 am

       You am retard
       • Clarke 3.1.1.1

         23 February 2010 at 10:56 am

         You am repeating yourself and getting tedious.
       • lprent 3.1.1.2

         23 February 2010 at 11:14 am

         Actually based on your syntax, I think that you must be looking in a mirror
4. Janice 4

   23 February 2010 at 9:16 am

   The police started losing the respect and support of the community in 1981 when they allowed Muldoon to use them against citizens that didn’t agree with him over continuing the Springbok tour.
   A lot of middle class people came face to face with heavy policing for the first time in their lives and stopped teaching their children that the police were there to help them, as they were so appalled by the tactics used to suppress protest. This police support contributed to his re-election and all the problems of his drunken, bullying mismanagement along with it. BTW our current PM can\\\\\\’t remember which side he was on, he was just learning to be relaxed about things perhaps.
   • Clarke 4.1

     23 February 2010 at 9:47 am

     I have this theory that Steven Joyce is the reincarnation of Rob Muldoon.

     Think about it – back room deals, expanding power base, expanding waistline, unbridled ego, ability to spend money like water, contempt for the electorate …. it’s spooky.
5. the sprout 5

   23 February 2010 at 9:21 am

   Well clearly then they all need to be given guns.
   That should fix their bad behaviour and alienation from the public.
6. SHG 6

   23 February 2010 at 9:47 am

   Is this post about the competence of Government ministers, or is it a rant about the police? It looked like one and then turned into another.
   • Clarke 6.1

     23 February 2010 at 9:50 am

     It was just another post debunking Key’s media hysteria with actual facts.
   • lprent 6.2

     23 February 2010 at 9:52 am

     It is also a common ‘flaw’ in posts by new authors and guest posters. I’m noted for it myself…

     You learn to make the post more coherent over time. The comments section encourages it..
7. prism 7

   23 February 2010 at 9:49 am

   The goad of contracts with specific targets to meet is I believe used on the police by government. This would skew their attention as in educational National Standards on teachers. I have heard that it is more important to do the transport work because of meeting arbitrarily set targets, than the other policing and that they put more resources into this area. While they are focussed on meeting policy-set road safety targets, the response to unpredictable crime where they have the role of helping and serving the public can easily be pushed aside in favour of pro-active, positive action against a known area of law breaking, the roads.

   Greg O’Connor who seems to be a mouthpiece is always full of excuses and whitewash and the police appear to be smug as to their own performance, and in a huddle in defence mode – us the pure against the unreasonable public who don’t appreciate our thankless role. It is a difficult job which they make more so by their often hostile approach, but also by the long hours of alcohol sales with over-consumption by louts and loutees out for the purpose of getting pissed, blunting any self-discipline and standards of behaviour they may have acquired. It is no good being polite, pleasant and firm with such people, policing here has to be more careful and intense. They have to be controlled because they have lost self-control. But this sort of policing I think sets a standard for their work at other times. I have respect for the police, but I am wary of them too. Great work is done by community constables usually, and I have helped in a small way to advance the work of one innovative, active local one.

   Their virtual entrapment policies of regularly setting up stop and test posts with search possible also, do not endear them to the public. This sort of policy may be convenient for them – to be seen fighting crime and “making the roads safer”. But I don’t like what I think of as an emergency measure being used in a routine way with police demanding my details as I drive around at a reasonably early time of night. I find them menacing and overbearing not reassuring. If it was after 2am, when there are more loose cannons around it would be more reasonable.
   • Mach1 7.1

     23 February 2010 at 10:13 am

     Oh to live in a world where every union rep gets the coverage Greg O’Connor does.
8. Neil 8

   23 February 2010 at 9:50 am

   it’s funny how the extremes of the political spectrum both look at the sasme issue but ever only see themselves.

   Lefties – “given this litany of fuck ups, isn’t it just a wee bit possible that the police have something to do with the lack of respect they receive from the community?”

   Righties – http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1002/S00243.htm

   such little insular worlds
   • BLiP 8.1

     23 February 2010 at 11:50 am

     You’re quoting out of context – did you miss the next bit:

     Are the police actually under control? What about the stress of their job, petty government policies, the economic environment, being trained by drunks, and the culture of the organisation itself? When does one begin to look at the Minister and ask what is going on?
9. Mach1 9

   23 February 2010 at 10:05 am

   You’ve left out a couple of police prosecutors too, wife beater Adrian Hilterman, Capill, of course, and the three thugs who escaped conviction
   No mention of the number of deaths in police cells.
10. dewithiel 10

    23 February 2010 at 10:12 am

    @ Clarke

    I wondered how long it would be before people started realising the uncanny similarity between His Roadworthiness the Hon Steven Joyce and the late unlamented Rt Hon Sir Piggy Muldoon. And it’s not just ‘back room deals, expanding power base, expanding waistline, unbridled ego, ability to spend money like water, contempt for the electorate’ it’s also a keenly myopic mindset of a provincial businessman, a strident contempt of intellectual activity and a cavalier disregard of facts not to mention being somewhat ‘economic with the actualité’ when it suits.
11. Lew 11

    23 February 2010 at 10:30 am

    I see BLiP View becoming a regular feature.

    L
    • r0b 11.1

      23 February 2010 at 1:14 pm

      Let’s hope so!
12. tc 12

    23 February 2010 at 11:55 am

    This lot have perfected 21st century muldoonism……with the smiley PR fixated Johnny clown out front and his list of mates to speak on issues such as Weldon on unemployment…..oh dear.

    Joyce is a worry and watch that broadband space to see how much public dosh telecom get which should be zero in a level playing field world (as the dominant incumbent) however it’s unlikely the way Joyce operates…….nor are we likely to see any competition watchdogs bringing our mobile costs into the realm of competitive pricing.

    IF big business THEN ignore ELSE bash/discredit/undermine/legislate/threaten….Sir Rob would be proud.
13. BLiP 13

    23 February 2010 at 12:12 pm

    In an internal email in December, referring to a meeting with the airline 18 months earlier, the head of Waitemata road policing, Superintendent John Kelly, dubbed the behaviour “an apparent drink-drive problem” within Air NZ.

    Heh!! At least Kelly knows one when he sees one.
    • pollywog 13.1

      23 February 2010 at 12:53 pm

      Coincidence that a story targetting drink/drive culture amongst middle class workers in a high profile corporation gets released days after police are shown to be one sided in their treatment of drink/drive culture among the underclass ?.. i think not

      The story, ‘according to a TV 3 investigation’, seems like it’s been sat on for a rainy day in case just such events transpire and was coming to the end of it’s use by date. It reads…”oh goody, the po-po are not just pulling over the poor…let’s all rejoice for justice is seen to be done”

      Whats the next story likely to be ?…How about, high profile fraudster gets harsh sentence by being publically slapped with wet bus ticket as opposed to traditionally slapped with wet bus ticket away from MSM spotlight ?

      yeah , that’ll learn em. So harsher penalties for rich pricks as well ?…doubt it.

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