Brexit: Cameron Resigns

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UK Tory leader and upper class twit David Cameron has resigned, leaving the door to No 10 open for his fellow upper class twit Boris Johnson.

From Cameron’s resignation speech:

“I was absolutely clear [in the referendum] about my belief that Britain is stronger, safer and better off inside the European Union. And I made clear the referendum was about this and this alone, not the future of any single politician, including myself.

But the British people have made a very clear decision to take a different path and as such I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction.

I will do everything I can as prime minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months. But I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next destination.

This is not a decision I have taken lightly. But I do believe it’s in the national interest to have a period of stability and then the new leadership required.

There is no need for a precise timetable today. But in my view we should aim to have a new prime minister in place by the start of the Conservative party conference in October.”

Audio of the speech here.

Reaction from the Guardian.

And from the BBC.

225 comments on “Brexit: Cameron Resigns ”

  1. Anne 1

    Well, we now know that the majority of Brits are sick of the “upper class twits” running the country so maybe it will end up with Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn. I think he is capable of fixing the problems as well as calming troubled waters.

    • Rodel 1.1

      Yes Anne. I hope so too. Perhaps the tide is turning. Go Andrew Little!

      • miravox 1.1.1

        “so maybe it will end up with Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn”

        The upper class twits in the Labour Party are whispering loudly for Corbyn to resign. *sigh*

        Edit – snap trp!

      • Anne 1.1.2

        There is, at the least, a superficial resemblance between Corbyn and Little. Both are well educated and strong supporters of ordinary folk – which is most of us. Both are hard working, non-flashy types who have their feet firmly planted on the ground. England and NZ would surely prosper if they saw fit to elect both of them.

        Edit: looks like that little scenario re-Corbyn is for the chopping block. 🙁

    • It’s not looking good for Corbyn either. It’s rumoured that 50 + Labour MP’s have signed a no confidence letter in the last few hours. They accuse him of being weak and wishy washy on Europe.

      • Anne 1.2.1

        OK, so they’re going to scapegoat him for the outcome. Not surprising. Oh well, it was a nice thought.

        • ScottGN

          No they’re not Anne. I truly wish it was otherwise but Corbyn’s performance in this referendum was really, really terrible.

      • Bill 1.2.2

        The Labour caucus cannot get rid of Corbyn. One person – one vote, remember?

        The 50 are only 50 – not some portion of a 20%, or whatever, weighting.

        • te reo putake

          The problem is that 20% of his caucus are publicly calling for him to go, Bill. If you recall, Thatcher had the numbers to see off Michael Heseltine’s challenge, but it left her fatally damaged and she resigned shortly afterwards. It’s not the numbers, its the fact that it’s happening at all.

      • infused 1.2.3

        He’s a fucking moron. That stupid memo that has come out has sealed his fate.

      • Rae 1.2.4

        That was the trouble for any party leader other than UKIP, because they had a mix of stay or goes in their parties. Bit of a catch 22 I would have thought

    • ScottGN 1.3

      Or maybe not Anne. There’s talk that Corbyn maybe gone soon too. Labour has more problems to deal with than the Tories at this point. Their voters have rebelled utterly and the Labour Party in England is perhaps facing a rout along the lines of their Scottish counterparts.

      • swordfish 1.3.1

        “Their voters have rebelled utterly”

        Not so sure about that. The Polls (including the final round) were consistently suggesting overwhelming Labour voter support for Remain. Same for the Lib Dems, while Tories were fairly evenly-split (albeit mildly heading towards Leave) and Ukip supporters, of course, almost entirely in the Brexit camp.

        Even taking on board the fact that most polls clearly underestimated Brexit support / over-stated Remain, it’s still very unlikely that a majority – let alone a significant majority – of Labour supporters voted Out.

        You can’t accurately deduce things just by looking at the overall results in a few Labour-leaning cities.

        Corbyn, of course, has traditionally been among the most Eurosceptic MPs within the Labour caucus.

        • ScottGN

          I wasn’t looking at results in a few Labour leaning cities. Outside of London, Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol and Manchester, Leave has racked up majorities across England, they won in the Northeast, the Northwest, the East and West Midlands, Southeast, East, Yorkshire and Humber, Birmingham, Wales, Cornwall and the Southwest. In many areas those majorities were achieved with Labour votes.

          • b waghorn

            I’ve suspected for awhile that the further left you get the more protective of ones own patch they become, its the one thing they have in common with ultra conservatives.

            • ScottGN

              That’s always been the case though surely? The further left and right you get the more you look the same.

              • b waghorn

                I’m reasonably new too drilling down into these things but pre becoming a standard reader I had a theory that if you’re pissing off the far left and the far right with what every you’re doing politically you’re probably about spot on.

              • Hanswurst


          • swordfish

            2016 EU Referendum
            Leave 52% / Remain 48%

            2015 UK General Election
            Tories 37%
            Labour 31%
            Ukip 13%
            Lib Dem 8%
            SNP 5%
            Other 6%

            Here, for instance, is one of the last YouGov polls (17-19 June) – one of the very few in the final round to place Leave ahead of Remain.
            …………………………Remain …..Leave …..Don’t Know
            Lab voters …………64%…………..26%………………9%
            Lib-Dem voters….59%…………..32%………………9%
            Tory voters…………35%…………..55%………………9%
            Ukip voters…………2%…………….95%………………3%

            I think there’s a very good argument to be made that Labour supporters largely to overwhelmingly voted Remain and comprised a disproportionate segment of Remainers.

            Brexit-voters in Labour-leaning cities would have been largely Tories and Ukippers, supplemented by a minority of Labour voters (varying in size depending on the city concerned).

            It would, however, be true to say that quite a few Ukip/Brexit supporters are lower income former Labour supporters who feel the Party has abandoned them over the years.

          • Rae

            It was probably those areas, blue collar, that were traditionally Labour that were feeling the worst effects of EU, only they are about to find out that it is not just the EU that was the cause of their woes. Technology and big business are the other two, though, I think they were thinking they might be giving the latter a bit of a one finger salute as well.
            Whatever else you have to say about this, it has not come about because people were feeling positive about their lives

        • mickysavage

          Yep. Labour split was 63:37 in favour of remain. The SNP’s split was 64:36. The result was not Labour’s. It was tory voters who voted 58:42 in favour of splitting.

          • Anne

            Well, if that is the case then Corbyn’s inside detractors are using this to try and pull him down. How I would love to be a fly on the wall of the British Labour Caucus Room.

          • swordfish

            Cheers, Micky.

            I started composing my 9:27pm comment before seeing yours.

            • Colonial Viper

              geographical breakdown? No doubt cosmopolitan Labour voted to REMAIN. But what about working class regional Labour supporters through the midlands and other regions.

              • Paul

                That is geographical.

              • Paul

                That is geographical and socio-economic.

              • swordfish

                See my 9:58pm comment below for a partial answer / guesstimate, CV (the stats suggest to me that Labour voting C2DEs were fairly evenly split). But I don’t disagree with your core point.

                The strong Remain vote in Greater London was partly grounded in Labour’s liberal middle class constituency but also, I think, in the large number of ethnic minority voters (who are generally poorer, Labour-voting and largely to overwhelmingly pro-Remain).

                I’m about to take a more detailed look at the regional breakdowns and might make one or two more comments.

          • Colonial Viper

            And what about all the Labour electorates in the Midlands and East who voted to BREXIT?

            Labour supporters in London could be expected to tow the Labour establishment line. But not in the regions.

            • Paul

              ‘Labour supporters in London could be expected to tow the Labour establishment line. ‘

              The % votes can be linked to rich and poor parts of England.
              Scotland is a separate issue.

              • Peter Swift


                Possibly a hangover from the recent Mayoral election where the victor was a prominent remain spokesperson.

                Maybe there was a lot of anti Boris sentiment floating around.

          • Pat

            T ories 42:58
            Labour 63:37
            LDP 70:30
            UKIP 4:96
            Greens 75:25
            SNP 64:36

            “Yep. Labour split was 63:37 in favour of remain. The SNP’s split was 64:36. The result was not Labour’s. It was tory voters who voted 58:42 in favour of splitting.”

            that is a pointless exercise….52% of the electorate who voted, voted for change, many of them Labour supporters…..why?

            • Paul

              They are sick of 30 years of neo-liberalism and will do what they can to attack the establishment.

              • Colonial Viper

                Including the Labour establishment who was selling the REMAIN message alongside David Cameron. (Labour did the same for Scottish independence too)

              • Pat

                they are sick of the growing effects of 30 years of neoliberalism AND are not ideologically driven.

            • mickysavage

              They are not Labour supporters. They are working class tory supporters. The only way to get them back is to adopt Winston type policies.

              • Pat

                i guess thats a response if your happy to go from polling 31.2% to under 20% and provide financial and moral support for UKIP…….it is likely moot in any case, as stated before they were oblivious for too long and suspect the die is now cast.

              • Bill

                Want them back? An English civic nationalism as opposed to the chauvinistic nationalism of Farage.

                There was an English woman on (I think) Kim Hill the other week who encapsulated the sentiiment quite well. She’s English, not British. Britain, for her, is or was a vile colonial power that she doesn’t identify with.

                That nationalism isn’t Peters. It’s way more left – it’s Plaid Cymru; it’s SNP; it’s the Greens.

              • Tanz

                this is why the working class has turned its traditional back on Labour. Labour no longer gives a toss about the working class – only PC leftie nonsense. No wonder the party is fading away. The life support, its people, have left in droves. NZ Labour – does not listen to the people in general, only to its own ideals. Once it represented Joe Blogs, now it represents ivory towers and Greenies.

    • Peter Swift 1.4

      Corbyn will soon be walking on shaky ground because of the brexit result.
      Looking at the numbers from some traditional Labour strongholds, when the attention is focussed on his part in an oft written about poor campaign, he will come under some pressure to explain his apparent ineffectiveness or his reasoning for failing to vigorously engage his voter base.

      One consequence not mentioned yet is how, given the high campaign profile of Farrage and his stated intention to poach and go after the left vote (as he has done already with the right), the numbers suggest the ukip Rubicon has well and truly been crossed by hoards of traditional labour voters.
      How this will affect Corbyn and labour’s future election chances will be a tale to be told.

      • marty mars 1.4.1

        Yes it’s hard to imagine how fast this momentum will grow, but it will…

        • Pat

          especially when those groups who voted for exit are the first and hardest hit….

      • mickysavage 1.4.2


        Funny this is all about Corbyn.

        • Pat

          is not about Corbyn or Labour per se….it is about the failure of the political mainstream….where will those who voted for exit look to when this change makes things worse not better for them?….back to the mainstream?…..i think not in the main.

          • Colonial Viper

            wait for all those Labour MPs angling hard to take down their Leader.

            • Pat

              yes, they already are as Peter Swift notes…..wont solve their problem however as they will offer more of the same…Corbyn was too late and probably the wrong personality in any case. They were oblivious for too long, just like here.

            • Kiwiri

              undoubtedly there’s Blair in the background poking and prodding, and he will have help from the Blairite careeristas

        • Peter Swift

          It’s not all about Corbyn, but his role in the remain campaign was flagged for serious discussion before the vote, now it’s just a matter of time until they get around to him. In fact the BBC website already have articles up.

          Do you want a link, or can you manage?
          Have one on me anyway.

          • mickysavage

            This is a colossal tory fuck up. Why is it about Corbyn? If Labour have any nous they will hold their nerve and start campaigning.

            • Peter Swift

              It’s about Corbyn because it is the nature of politics.
              If labour had nous they’d already be in number 10 and there would never have been a referendum in the first place.

            • Bill

              It’s about Corbyn as much as it’s about (according to ‘Labour party sources reported in the Guardian) the SNP.

              It wasn’t a Tory fuck up – it was an establishment fuck-up. They, the establishment (and that includes a fair portion of Labour MPs), think that economics trumps all. The people know they have been abandoned to hopelessness and despair and so essentially cast an anti-politics vote.

              Brussels is hated for good reason. Westminster is despised for good reason. One vote = two black eyes (and to hell with the consequences for now).

    • Grantoc 1.5

      Well Anne many in the British Labour Party wouldn’t agree with you. They’re very critical of what they describe as his incompetence in rallying Labour voters in favour of staying in the EU.

      They question his ability to lead the Labour Party let alone the country during these times.

      There is a call for him to resign too.

      Check the UK media on this.

      • mickysavage 1.5.1

        Is this the Murdoch media or the BBC?

      • Anne 1.5.2

        There are several commenters who have reported the actual voting figures on this post and guess what… Labour voters voted for ‘remain’ at the same level as the SNP.

        But of course we know the UK tabloids never tell lies, and we know there are quite a few Blairite Labour MPs who want to stick the knife into Corbyn cos he’s not a Tony Blair fan and they reckon he should be. (sarc)
        Have a read:

        swordfish @
        mickysavage @
        Pat @

        • Anne

          Ooops Pat is questioning the figures. Why I don’t know. It clearly shows the highest percentage of ‘Leave’ voters were [working class] Tory and UKIP voters. Labour voters overwhelmingly supported ‘Remain’ along with the SNP and the Greens.

          But its the same old same old – It’s all Corbyn fault. He must go. 🙄

          • Pat

            don’t recall questioning any figures Anne…I happily accept the figures MS posted…my point was that a significant proportion of those voting to leave were Labour supporters….you surely don’t dispute that fact do you?

            Oh and just to add, I don’t recall calling for Corbyn to go either….

            • swordfish

              Pat: “my point was that a significant proportion of those voting to leave were Labour supporters … you surely don’t dispute that fact do you ?”

              Depends what for you constitutes a “significant proportion”

              I’ve done some calculations based on the breakdowns of a number of polls conducted over the last 2 weeks – specifically the minority of polls that put Leave in front – and they all suggest Labour voters comprised between 15-25% of Brexiters.

              The large On-Line Referendum Day Poll carried out by Lord Ashcroft (which Micky mentions above) has Labour voters making up 21% of Brexit supporters, while Tories and Ukippers together comprise two thirds.

            • Anne

              Hi Pat
              But it’s the same old same old – It’s all Corbyn fault. He must go.

              That wasn’t a reference to you. Rather a reiteration of what I said @ 1.5.2. Sorry, should have made that clear.

          • Grantoc

            It is being reported by the BBC that a formal move has been made by a Labour Party MP calling on Corbyn to resign and for there to be a leadership vote.

  2. Steve 2

    It’s the high-flying CEO option..destroy the company then walk away, rather than stay and help repair.

    The National model of being a politician.

    • miravox 2.1

      I’d like to agree with that. But I think Cameron has done the right thing. He has no moral authority to lead and it will only lead to more disruption if he satays.

      Stepping down with 3 months notice… enough time to calm things down and allow for a compromise candidate to emerge.

    • Whateva next? 2.2

      Absolutely, he didnt look too gutted when he made his resignation speech

  3. Stuart Munro 3

    Now how can we get Key to follow suit? A citizen initiated referendum to scrap the TPPA?

  4. Byd0nz 4

    Its quiet a laugh really,to exit from europe,
    Bad companions for this vote however,
    The maniac selfrighteous, the tory right
    Fascists, but still for socialism, its clever.
    Like Lenin, once said with scorn,
    A United States Of Europe! Humph,
    A weakened europe a weakened nato,
    Brext voters, thanks a bunch.
    Some of the chains have been broken,
    Workers unite, the armour has a chink,
    Get back the gains you had already won,
    Smash Imperialism get rid of that stink.

  5. Tanz 5

    He sold out England, just like all the top brass in the West have sold out their own.
    The ballot box does work sometimes.!!

  6. BM 7

    This is brilliant, it’s been all a bit dull of late.

  7. miravox 8

    Just sitting here trying to imagine Donald Trump and Boris Johnson leading the two most powerful countries in the English-speaking world.

    Thinking we might have more to worry about than the the bad hair similarity.

    • BM 8.1

      Both Men are not idiots.

      Try and look past the media fuckwittry.

    • Sans Cle 8.2

      Part of a larger global movement. Part of a process of manipulating the emotions of the people to further one’s authoritarian projects. Worrying times.

      • Colonial Viper 8.2.1

        Oh I see. You’re one of those types who see elections as valid when they go the way you want.

        • Sans Cle

          Not at all. I respect the result. I don’t like the facile analysis that this referendum is based in xenophobia or immigration that I have seen here – calling Brexiters stupid, as it is far more complex. However I think Brexiters played a bitter divisive campaign, easily manipulating emotions.

          • Colonial Viper

            BREXITers ran a better campaign and understood their audience better. Also the working class and under class in Britain are clearly sick of the EU elites empty promises.

            • Sans Cle

              Yes, and one Brexiter murdered an MP. Charming.

              • Colonial Viper

                If you have a point make it. The REMAIN campaign benefited from that death, not the BREXIT campaign.

                • locus

                  good grief CV

                  imo suggesting that anyone or anything “benefits” from Jo Cox’s murder is a sad degeneration of political discourse – into the foetid swamp of shock jock journalism and emotive prejudice-fanning populism

                  • Colonial Viper

                    Did you sleep through all the media commentators during the week talking about how Cox’s murder changed the balance of the polls to pro-REMAIN.

              • Richard McGrath

                So one deranged Brexit-voter (?evidence for that claim) taints the whole movement, does it?

            • Paul

              Do you support anti-immigrant lines supported by the Brexit campaign?

              • Colonial Viper

                jobs and houses for locals first. Do you have an issue with that.

                • Paul

                  and do you support anti-immigrant lines supported by the Brexit campaign?

                  • Colonial Viper

                    you have my answer. And looking at where the BREXIT votes came from, lots of traditional Labour supporters think the same way.

                    • swordfish

                      Definitely a massive class divide on the issue:

                      To take the recent YouGov mentioned in one of my earlier comments as an example:
                      Socio-economic (excludes Don’t Knows and those who stated they wouldn’t vote)

                      (most polls indicated an even greater class divide)

                      Reasonable guess, though, that a disproportionate number of that 36% of C2DEs intending to vote Remain were Labour voters.
                      (although, by the same token, probably also true that a particularly large chunk of the minority (29%) of Labour supporters who favoured Leave were also lower income). Not mutually exclusive.

                      I’m guessing that Labour voting C2DEs were fairly evenly split on the issue. Whereas, working class Tory and, particularly, Ukip supporters would have gone overwhelmingly for Brexit.

                    • Colonial Viper

                      what I condemn is the watered down establishment Left giving fascists the room to take working class votes. Im not going to condemn fascists for being themselves.

                    • weka

                      “what I condemn is the watered down establishment Left giving fascists the room to take working class votes. Im not going to condemn fascists for being themselves.”

                      I think that’s one of the clearer statements you’ve made about your politics in recent times (the clarity is good).

                      Myself, I’m happy to condemn both.

            • miravox

              A more successful campaign yes, but a better campaign?

              I think your definition of better is different than mine.

              Absolutely working class and precariat are sick of the elites. It’s a pity they still fall for empty promises but… and from an EU MP to boot! (Farage) Did you hear the one about 350 mil for the NHS?


            • weka

              “BREXITers ran a better campaign and understood their audience better. Also the working class and under class in Britain are clearly sick of the EU elites empty promises.”

              That’s not incompatible with Sans Cle saying, right?

              “However I think Brexiters played a bitter divisive campaign, easily manipulating emotions.”

          • infused

            That’s bullshit and you know it. You’re just salty.

            The fact is, the UK is much better off out of the EU. Not right now, but in a few years they will be saying WTF were we doing in the EU.

            • Lanthanide

              Projections are for permanently lowered economic growth.

              I guess the existing wealth could be distributed through the population better, but that seems like a very left wrung view for someone like yourself.

            • dv

              Infused UK??
              Will Scotland and Ireland will leave UK huh

        • Sans Cle

          P.S. My response was to Miravox, not BM

    • Rae 8.3

      I have an image in my mind of Johnson greeting Donald off the plane on a windy day

  8. Tanz 9

    Go Trump, the right is golden right now.

  9. miravox 10

    I said they were idiots? I don’t think so.

    Looking past the media fuckwittery is exactly what I’ve been doing.

    I’m not liking the view.

  10. Sans Cle 11

    Putin must be delighted this morning.

    • Colonial Viper 11.1

      Why? The west has always been proud of its democratic traditions. And the people have spoken.

      • Sans Cle 11.1.1

        a) A distraction
        b) weakening of NATO
        c) weakening of EU
        d) transaction costs of BREXIT over next 5 years will suck up so many EU resources

        • Colonial Viper

          Maybe if the Western Elite concentrated on looking after their own people instead of starting hybrid war brushfires in faraway countries, their people would have voted to REMAIN.

          Sorry if you find democracy too inconvenient to handle.

          • Sans Cle

            CV your discussion style is informed and I read your comments with interest. But please do not jump to conclusions about my opinion of democracy. You are way off the mark.

            • Colonial Viper

              Going full circle, Putin will only be pleased if a Brexit gives Europe some backbone to make its own military and foreign policy independent of the US neocon establishment.

          • Reddelusion

            Good point CV, progressive lefties again simplyfying the result as people voting against thier self interest, brainless racist etc. Maybe just maybe this is democracy at work where working class people and other where sick of an unaccountable elite in Brussels ruling thier lives that they can’t vote in or out. all this fear mongering will pass, the U.S., survives with out been in the EU, China has been very successful with out been in the EU etc, Britian to will travel its own path successfully over time, As the second biggest economy in Europe I don’t think it has much to worry about.

            • gnomic


              Please refrain from this subliterate drivel. If you have nothing sensible to say and are incapable of coming up with comprehensible English say nothing.

        • ScottGN

          I don’t think it’s axiomatic to assume that NATO (which stands outside of the EU) is necessarily weakened by this result. And it’s not like Putin doesn’t have problems of his own, sucking up resources etc.

      • Stuart Munro 11.1.2

        Putin benefits from destabilising Europe – is depending on it according to Soros. You might not like Soros but he knows a thing or two about economic stability.

        • Colonial Viper

          Hardly. If the EU elites were in the slightest bit interested in stability they would be looking after their own people instead of parading NATO tanks hundreds of metres from the Russian border, and implementing US sourced sanctions against Russia which hurt EU farmers but cost the US nothing.

          As for Soros, he was a prime funder of regime change in Ukraine destabilising the democratically elected government, replacing it with an unconstitutional regime of thugs and oligarchs.

          • Stuart Munro

            Maybe you could use a little more ice in your RT Koolaid.

            • Peter Swift


            • Colonial Viper

              Even German Foreign Minister Steinmeier said that it is foolish for NATO to keep provoking Russia with warmongering.

              A brave man for speaking out against NATO’s US driven agenda.

              • Stuart Munro

                There is some truth in what Russia has to say, but they too are interested in destabilising their neighbours, and so their agitprop needs a bit of salt.

                • Colonial Viper

                  yes Russia is placing its country closer and closer to NATO bases

                  • GregJ

                    Yeah its appalling that sovereign NATO countries like Poland, Estonia, Latvia, & Lithuania should position forces in their own territory near their shared border with Russia. And why would Moldova want to join NATO for?

                    I mean after all what have the Russians ever done to any of them?

                    • Colonial Viper

                      Hey, pop quiz: what major historical war caused the Soviet Union to decide that it needed a massive military buffer against European power Germany?

                      As for your claims that the Baltics are independent countries – no, they are now just US/NATO colonies and sacrificial tripwire zones.

                    • GregJ

                      You know for a clever guy CV you have a real blindspot about Russia and Putin. Perhaps a little less time regurgitating RT rhetoric and more time spent talking to actual Eastern Europeans and applying some critical thought might help?

                      Estonia for example is an advanced high income country that scores high on the UN Human Development Index for economic freedom, civil liberties, education, and press freedom. And I doubt Poland is anyone’s colony or sacrifice.

                      Frankly I think Stuart Munro is right – you’ve been drinking too much RT koolaid.

      • locus 11.1.3

        the people have spoken

        16 million people in the UK voted to remain European …. 17 million voted leave EU to show Westminster how they feel about their regions being economically broken …. 9 million didn’t vote

        Scotland voted Remain
        Northern Ireland voted Remain
        Gibraltar voted Remain
        Young people (those that bothered voting) voted Remain


        • Colonial Viper

          there are limitations but its the highest nationwide turnout since about 1992

          • locus

            given that the brexiters don’t really know what’s going to happen next and have already backtracked on the claims they were making in their campaign, you have to wonder whether the 52% were as well informed as the 48%

            – but hey, that’s what happens when you base ‘democracy’ on an ill-advised referendum in a post-factual world

            • Colonial Viper

              tell you what, if you use this kind of argument then its obvious the pro EU crowd campaigning for the UK to join in the 90s had no idea what was going to happen and misinformed voters who went for joining the EU.

              • Sans Cle

                It was early 1970s they joined, and very much on the back of creating political stability – they watched the success of the founding EC members (from 1957 I think). Not ill informed at all. EC was a different beast back then – pre monetary union.

              • locus

                On the contrary CV… Britain’s membership of the EU was more than 12 years in the making and followed supplications by several British PMs from both the right and the left.

                The British public were better informed over a long period of time, than the last few fevered months of public stunts and proclamations.

                This is not to say that the majority favoured EEC membership:

                Surveys in 1966 showed that public opinion was broadly supportive, but when faced with specific terms, people backed off. In 1966, there was a poll showing that 66% favoured entry, but when people were asked “Would you still favour entry if it put up the price of food by two shillings in the pound?” only 39% were in favour. And when they were asked if entry meant weakening our ties with the Commonwealth, only 25% were in favour, and if it meant that New Zealand agriculture, “would suffer quite a bit”, only 23% were in favour.

                As you may know, UK membership was agreed in 1973 following negotiation by the tories – not a public vote. The obligations, benefits and compromises entailed by joining the EEC were well understood by all political parties, and driven by the need to have more of a say in the direction of Europe and by the political and economic realities of Britain’s position and power in the world diminishing year on year since the 50s.

                The idea of putting UK membership to a public referendum on the grounds of ‘democracy’ would have been unthinkable. MPs did their job as they should in a representative democracy.

            • Nic the NZer

              The reason its not clear what happens next is that very little has actually changed.

              The UK parliament has slightly more autonomy now but can choose to ratify exactly the same policies it would as an EU member if it sees fit.

              The main change is that the UK loby will have considerably less influence on the EU rule making process. Considering the UKs influence there this is probably good for the EU as well.

              • locus

                what will change very soon is that the UK will lose many of the rights it had won e its 43 years as a member state of the EU

                as for what changes at home:
                well we’ll see if the brexiters meet any let alone all of their promises to voters. The bank of england will spend billions shoring up the pound. The UK will probably break apart as Scotland and probably also Northern Ireland choose to leave UK and be within the EU tent. The Tories will become more rabid and more entrenched, which is a good bet that the poor will get poorer. Not to mention the long term effect on the economy and the UK’s standing in the world

                • Nic the NZer

                  Yes, well of course the major domestic influence of having open borders with the EU for economic migrants has nothing to do with rising inequality. The growth of the UKs low wage sector or an increase in poverty rates. In fact i am probably just being racist even to suggest it.

                  Why do you suggest the BofE should sure up the pound? This would appear to be a counter productive influence on UK exporters when they are dealing with uncertainty as it is. Why should they be helping importers at this time?

                  There is political uncertainty but if thats a problem it can be resolved by politicians simply ratifying the decision in as straight forward a manner as possible. Not that they will.

  11. Stuart Munro 12

    You may recall that the economic downturn that precipitated the omnishambles that was Rogergnomics was the result of Britain’s joining the EU and thus restricting market access for NZ’s agricultural products.

    With NZ’s economy in truly shabby shape with the competition for Chinese dairy on top of three terms of lazy faire bullshittery, watch our utterly hopeless incompetent government wrest failure from the jaws of success in obtaining renewed market access subsequent to the Brexit.

  12. Colonial Viper 13

    UK Labour BREXIT excuses script for MPs leaked

    ***Do you think David Cameron should resign?

    It is clear that David Cameron has no long-term future as Prime Minister, but the immediate priority is to stabilise the country and the markets.

    He led a campaign of ‘project fear’, which failed to convince his own party supporters or the British public of his case.

    ***Can Labour re-unite divided Britain?

    Yes. Clearly Britain’s largest cities and Scotland have voted to remain, while smaller urban areas and rural areas have voted to leave. Labour is best placed to re-unite the country because we did not engage in project fear, and we put a critical case for remain.

    ***Was this a rejection of Labour’s message?

    No. We raised concerns about Europe throughout – and it’s very clear that Labour areas hit hardest by austerity and that are the most deprived, especially post-industrial

    ***Hasn’t Labour lost touch with its working class base of support?

    Many of the areas hardest hit by this government’s policies have used this referendum as a means to kick a Conservative government that is out of touch. This was a vote against a government that has failed to rebalance the economy, and has failed to deliver the Northern Powerhouse that it keeps announcing.

    ***How do you explain that so many Labour areas have voted Leave?

    Some areas have been deprived of investment for a generation, and feel left behind. Following six years of Tory austerity, and further industrial collapse.

    It is clear that working class people who feel they have not benefited from this Tory recovery have rejected a status quo that has done nothing for them.

    • Gristle 13.1

      Aren’t we lucky that the NZ electorate only had a referendum about a flag and not about something major at which anti establishment sentiments could flayed against.

      • Jack Ramaka 13.1.1

        The Natzis just signed an agreement the TPPA which has bound us into an EU type group like the EU?

    • Nic the NZer 13.2

      There is a comment above (from Swordfish ) Looking at the socio economic breakdown. The claim is made that much of the 36% of remain must have been labour supporters because of their C2DE socio status. A simpler explanation however is that labour supporters are no longer mostly the low socioeconomic group and that there is a large group who dont vote for political parties at all these days.

      The script above in that context looks rather out of touch with the electorate. It seems the hangover from the early eighties labour led neo-liberal dissolution will take many generations to be forgotten.

      • Paul 13.2.1

        ‘ It seems the hangover from the early eighties labour led neo-liberal dissolution will take many generations to be forgotten.’

        I agree.
        People have not forgiven Labour parties in the UK and New Zealand for betraying their interests in the 1980s and 1990s. Indeed in New Zealand the betrayal was at its worst and, in effect , a coup d’etat occurred.
        At least there was a brief rearguard action in the UK. However, during the miners’ strike, UK Labour failed to support them and Thatcherism prevailed.

      • Colonial Viper 13.2.2

        A simpler explanation however is that labour supporters are no longer mostly the low socioeconomic group and that there is a large group who dont vote for political parties at all these days.

        Good point!. Yep 28% of registered voters did not vote…chances are that they are from the bottom quartile of society not the top

        • Paul

          ‘28% of registered voters did not vote…chances are that they are from the bottom quartile of society not the top’
          Almost for certain

  13. GregJ 14

    The pressure to call fall a General election may well continue (already it’s making its way into the narrative). As some commentator said this morning it is going to be difficult for a parliament where 3/4s of the MPs are opposed to leaving to are now legislate and navigate the exit process.

    • GregJ 14.1

      There appears to be a problem at the moment – this comment (above) was a reply to @Marty Mars above but has defaulted to making it a stand alone comment.

    • marty mars 14.2

      I agree about the pressure to call an election, it is building and our worst fears about what happens next may be realised

      • GregJ 14.2.1

        Yeah – and now the Scottish talking of another referendum (and Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness calling for border poll on united Ireland after Brexit).

        Trouble at t’ mill indeed!

        • Colonial Viper

          The UK Parliament doesn’t represent the UK people. Thats just par for the course. And thats why Brits just voted against the establishment.

  14. vto 15

    It will be good for them. It will make the place individual, unique and special. The pound will be revered like the swiss thing.

  15. Don't worry. Be happy 16

    Farage thrilled with his “Independence Day” claimed it was won “without a shot being fired” . Ask the family of Jo Cox about that one why don’t you Nigel ?

  16. Kiwiri 17

    My wife just wondered out loud whether we might end up with Boris as PMoUK and Donald as POTUS.

  17. Ad 18

    It’s the only good decision Cameron could have made. But Prime Minister Boris is not going to be pretty: he will turn Britain into a cartoon of itself.

    I seriously wish for UK Labour to hold it together, and let the Conservatives fracture by themselves.

    The British mirror with the US Republicans is getting stronger and stronger. Even though I expect so much more instability to come, it is so not what the world needs. GLobal immigration is cracking the developed world.

    • Kiwiri 18.1

      I seriously wish for UK Labour to hold it together, and let the Conservatives fracture by themselves.

      While Blair and the Blairites may see the Conservatives as opponents across the House, they are quite likely to see Corbyn as the enemy.

    • Reddelusion 18.2

      Why do you really care about UK labour, our interest hardly lie with the UK any more, pretty much irrelevant barring historical ties

      • Colonial Viper 18.2.1

        UK Labour and NZ Labour have the same level of relevance. Check out the talking points script given to UK Labour MPs over the BREXIT decision.

    • infused 18.3

      Again, as selfish as you were in the other thread. This isn’t about you, or the rest of the world. It’s about the UK.

    • b waghorn 18.4

      “GLobal immigration is cracking the developed world.”
      The immigration would settle down if the war pigs and the greedy were reigned in, much better to help them build their own nations than build walls.

  18. Greg 20

    WOW no one has drawn the conclusion how Key should have resigned after the flag referendum, doing the honorable thing, third time lucky in the election.

    Irve been posting welcome back to the commonwealth jibes.

    The markets will recover.
    NZ interest rates drop.Inflation heads towards zero.

    The poms will still buy our wine.

    I read they want to deport criminals, n no more refugee’s,

    • Adrian 20.1

      Ah,no they won’t, most exporters make very little on wine to Britain as their market is very competitive and price conscious.
      It has already gone up by 10-15% on tonight’s crash, which means that to maintain market share the wine content price ( in NZ dollars ) will drop 20% , below cost of production and export costs etc.
      This knee jerk assumption without any thought as to consequences sums up the whole Leave argument which is why it was so successful amongst those who are a bit thick.

      • ScottGN 20.1.1

        And this sort of condescending sneering on the part of the political, business and cultural elite towards the ordinary British voter is one of the reasons why they said “bugger off”.

    • b waghorn 20.2

      A stronger dollar vs pound could crash lamb meat prices here. Its a big market for nz .

  19. GregJ 21

    Nicola Sturgeon just announced that a 2nd Scottish referendum likely and Scottish Parliament will begin preparations now for when (if?) the UK Parliament decides to announce a new referendum process.

  20. Sans Cle 22

    From my listening to BBC: Scotland annoyed that UK will leave EU. EU membership and benefits were part of the campaign to keep Scotland in UK, in Scottish referendum last year. Hoodwinked!
    Martin McGuinness of Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland is agitating for a unification of northern and Republic of Ireland, on premise that Northern Ireland agri sector will not survive without the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy, and NI’s other sectors will be affected.
    So much uncertainty.

  21. On the horizon i see the don and nige atop their lofty heights and no one arguing about the end of civilisation as we know it anymore.

  22. Ovid 24

    BREAKING: a motion of no confidence in Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn has been tabled – BBC Journalist Chris Mason on Twitter.

    • Kiwiri 24.1

      Wow. Amazing opportunistic regime change under way on both sides of the House.

      • Bill 24.1.1

        Pointless posturing/shit stirring. The UK Labour Party leader is elected on a basis of one member = one vote. The caucus hold no extra sway.

        Get rid of him today and he’ll be re-elected tomorrow.

  23. Incognito 25

    This seems to be the Post where most of the ‘action’ is so I might as well comment here.

    When I read “Independence Day” or “look after the locals first” it really comes down to looking after Number One first and foremost. This is nothing new coming from Western-style neo-imperialistic colonialists hiding behind corporate walls & desks with fancy job titles (and the odd knighthood) and sky-high remuneration packages, while advocating free trade agreements that are good for business and thus good for ‘the nation’, AKA neo-liberal capitalists.

    It is really depressing that some of the richest nations in the World are now trying to pull up the drawbridge instead of sacrificing or simply sharing some (!) of their oft ill-gotten gains to help those that are a lot (!) worse off.

    Me, me, me! The selfishness and greed of people knows no bounds so leaving a union or building a wall is very much a one-sided action to stop ‘traffic’ going one way but most definitely not stopping ‘traffic’ going the other way.

    This same kind of selfish superiority can be seen at local level as well, which comes as no surprise either, as it reflects the attitudes from human beings towards each other, whether it is about local patch protection or at national level; it is displayed by the same bloody fearful people living amongst us in our communities.

    No wonder we cannot solve (child) poverty, for example, as it is these same attitudes that block each & every attempt to improve the lives of others who are less fortunate; the lack of ‘political will’ it is sometimes called, which conveniently puts the responsibility at the feet of our elected representatives, the politicians – they have learned how to avoid or deflect embarrassment or blame as well as we ourselves have.

    Frankly, this mentality sucks! Not just figuratively but also literally: it increases and perpetuates inequality. It maintains the status quo or worse, it harks back to nostalgic ‘good old times’ with an unhealthy dose of nationalistic conservatism that easily morphs into right-wing extremism and jingoism.

    I don’t predict any doom from Brexit specifically; it’s just another step down a well-trodden path towards an inevitable outcome. We are not forced to walk down this path; we do it by choice although many of us just follow the ‘flock’. I confess here & now on TS that, most of the time, I’m one of those ‘sheeple’ and thus an utter hypocrite for writing this comment.

    • weka 25.1

      When I read “Independence Day” or “look after the locals first” it really comes down to looking after Number One first and foremost.

      Not necessarily. I think it’s more about looking after the group that one recognises and there are good and bad motivations underlying that. Sometimes that can be xenophobic, sometimes selfish. But it’s also possible that one wants to protect something valuable. I don’t believe in open borders, nor closed ones. I’d prefer that we managed our resources sustainably (which means that population IS an issue), and that we address equity and fairness issues in other ways (e.g. offer immigration to refugees first, send more of our wealth to places in the world that need it and take a cut in our own standard of living).

      • b waghorn 25.1.1

        “(which means that population IS an issue),”
        Population is THE issue.
        7 billion elephants in the room no one wants to discuss.

        • weka

          Or 4.5 million elephants that people are ignoring by pointing to the ones across the street 😉

      • Incognito 25.1.2

        I pretty much agree with your comment and I was not advocating open borders as such.

        Protecting something valuable does not necessarily equal ownership IMO (e.g. who owns the water and waterways here in NZ) and this raises questions as to who is protecting from whom and for whom and what does “protection” actually mean or entail? Do these questions make any sense?

        • Colonial Viper

          The simple question is – do you believe in the idea of a nation state with sovereignty over, and integrity of, its own affairs. I do.

    • Colonial Viper 25.2

      Sorry incognito but this vote shows that people are tired of seeing their lives and their communities fucked over because of your liberal globalist values.

      • Incognito 25.2.1

        I would consider my values more social ones but never let a good label stick in permanence.

        I’ve been known to “fuck over” many helpless and hapless people through the sheer force of my “liberal globalist values” and I’m a force to be reckoned with.[sarc]

        Crikey! I’m trying to point out that IMO the source/origin of many social ‘ills’, be they global (refugees & immigrants), national (e.g. child poverty) or local (e.g. NIMBYism), is one and the same and that a solution, if there is one, is to be found there as well.

        In any case, people being tired may be a reason but not an excuse!

        • Colonial Viper

          People don’t need to provide either you or I with any excuse or justification for their vote.

    • b waghorn 25.3

      Well said.

  24. Pat 26

    it gets messier and messier…..the rise of a city state?

    “More on joint efforts by Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, and the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, to secure some kind of referendum opt-out for Scotland and London.

    Here’s what Sturgeon said:

    I have made it clear to the prime minister this morning that the Scottish government must be fully and directly involved in any and all decisions about the next steps that the UK government intends to take.

    We will also be seeking direct discussions with the EU institutions and its member states including the earliest possible meeting with the President of the European Commission.

    I also be communicated over the weekend with each EU member state to make clear that Scotland has voted to stay in the EU and I intend to discussion all options for doing so.

    I have also spoken this morning with [London] mayor Sadiq Khan and he is clear that he shares this objective for London, so there is clear common cause between us.

    Khan’s office confirmed that he had talked to Sturgeon about the need for Scotland and London to be involved in Brexit negotiations.”

  25. weka 27

    BREAKING: a motion of no confidence in Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn has been tabled – BBC Journalist Chris Mason on Twitter.

    Hang on. Corbyn, who has historically been for leaving the EU, campaigned during the referendum that if the vote went for Remain he would work to reform from within (sounds reasonable), is now being challenged on his leadership by his MPs because they don’t like a public referendum result and they think that if he had behaved differently then he could have gotten people to vote differently? Isn’t that fucking paternalistic? Not to mention opportunistic.

    Naughty Labour voters not voting the way the Labour Party wanted them to.

    • Bill 27.1

      Between a “Labour source” claiming it was all the fault of the SNP and now this, well… (whats the face tag thing for ‘derision’?)

    • Bill 27.2

      Noice of the Guardian to headline that motion of no confidence in Corbyn in preference to headlining the resignation of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, duntyathink?

      The establishment fight back? 🙂

      • Colonial Viper 27.2.1

        Listening to Jacob Appelbaum’s comment on how poorly The Guardian has treated whistleblowers, its very clear to me now that The Guardian is almost as co-opted as every other MSM channel.

        • Bill

          Guardian aside…just wondering about these Labour fuckwit MPs. Shouldn’t they have been going for a motion of ‘no confidence’ on the current Tory government?

          • Colonial Viper

            Why attack the Tories when they are wounded when you can attack your own Leader in order to forward your personal Shadow Cabinet aspirations. Which wouldn’t happen if you wasted energy attacking the Conservatives.

            • Draco T Bastard

              That does seem to be the case. They’ve obviously planned this for some time and are using the disruption of the Brexit referendum to stick it to the majority voted Left leaning leader that they don’t like.

    • Lanthanide 27.3

      It’s been said by various media outlets that Corbyn ran a lack-luster and wishy-washy campaign in favour of Remain, with many Labour voters ‘confused’ as to the Labour party’s position on brexit.

      • Bill 27.3.1

        Corbyn is anti the undemocratic bureaucratic and financially centered bullshit of Brussels. That makes perfect sense. He’s also pro- European social union. Now since the former stands in the way of the latter…

        Go try sell that in a soundbite if you dare.

        • Colonial Viper

          Seems like London Labour is a similar curse to our Thorndon Bubble Labour.

    • Draco T Bastard 27.4

      Naughty Labour voters not voting the way the Labour Party wanted them to.

      It would be interesting to see how many Labour Party members voted to leave. If that’s a majority then this would be the Labour MPs revolting against the membership.

      But, then, we’ve seen that before haven’t we.

  26. Pat 28

    Merkel offers a way out(or should i say back in)….

    “In the European treaties there is a clear set and orderly procedure for member states who want to leave the European Union. This procedure involves several years of negotiations, at the end of which we will have established the details of Britain’s departure from the European Union. While the negotiations are ongoing, Britain remains a member of the EU. All the rights and commitments that pertain to this membership are to be respected and fulfilled until the actual exit. This applies to both sides.”

    • Lanthanide 28.1

      It’s quite conceivable that there’ll be a second referendum to ratify the ‘final’ decision.

      This referendum was marked but a lot of mis-understanding, lack of facts and outright lies by both sides of the debate.

      If the public are faced with “here are the policies we will enact if you vote to leave the EU, vs status quo if you vote to stay”, and the policies include such things as higher tax rates and the specifics of the trade deal, then the debate would be much more informed.

      • Bill 28.1.1

        Ireland austerity re-dux? Keep the buggers voting until they learn to return the ‘correct’ result?

        • Lanthanide


          I mean, you can even add in Scottish independence into the mix. I’m not sure it was ever spoken about as a serious consequence to a leave vote during these campaigns, but it is clearly on the cards now. So if you re-run the referendum, and if “leave” wins it means Scotland buggers out of the UK and remains a member of the EU in its own right, how does that single fact alone change the voting patterns – of both Scotland and England? Farage was acting like this is a ‘new dawn’ for an independent UK, but is it really, if Scotland leaves?

          And, there’s even potential troubles for Ireland again. If the UK actually leave the EU, it may require an actual hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, so N.Ire may themselves decide they want to leave the UK and unify with Ireland.

          • Sans Cle

            Peter Sutherland (former Irish MEP) and former head of WTO speculated that Brexit may benefit Ireland as US capital (FDI) will switch from UK to Ireland on next 10 years (English speaking EU country etc etc). Irish commentators are worried. They entered EC with Britain, and are the only country with land border with UK.

      • Pat 28.1.2

        the question is how will the British public react?… classic can kicking by EU….and the usual overriding of democracy….will they accept it?

  27. Bill 29

    The author JK Rowling, who voted against independence, has implied she would now rethink her position, and Salmond said major Scottish employers and companies, such as the whisky giant Diageo, would consider whether Scottish independence within the EU would ensure their continued access to the EU single market.


    The significance of Rowling is that she was a vociferous voice for ‘No’ and fairly rounded on for that stance. As for market access well, that speaks for itself. So here’s a loose thought. All that oil revenue that flowed south in the 70s, 80s, 90s and on…wonder how much of that would be balanced out by international companies re-locating from England to retain access to the EU’s single market in an independent, European member state, Scotland?

    edit – link…

  28. DS 30

    The EU is a right-wing undemocratic (or as Greece found out, anti-democratic) monstrosity. It’s a crying shame that the Brexit campaign was hijacked by the far-right, but ultimately the point remains that British voters can vote out Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. They can’t vote out the European Commission when it bans democratically-elected governments from nationalising stuff, or when it enforces deregulation and austerity. They can’t vote out the European Court of Justice when it rules that the rights of capital trump the rights of labour.

    It beats me why anyone on the left should cheer for membership of an organisation that enshrines a commitment to corporate capitalism in its very constitution.

  29. Ad 31

    Bryan Gould on the Labour campaign for Brexit:

    “The Labour party, in terms of domestic politics, has clearly missed a major opportunity. Analysis of the voting pattern will surely show that a majority of Labour voters were in favour of leaving. The Labour leadership had the chance, not only to reflect and lead that preference, rather than distance themselves from it, but also to place itself at the head of that majority who were fed up with the obvious, serious and growing deficiencies of the EU as a model for European integration. Jeremy Corbyn has – through timidity rather than conviction – placed himself on the losing side and missed the chance to exploit the unavoidable blow to the authority of the Tory government that the Brexit decision represents.

    He took refuge in an argument for remaining that should surely have no place in the vocabulary of a Labour leader. He urged Labour supporters to vote remain on the surprising ground that there were provisions, particularly concerning workers’ rights, that were beyond the reach of democratic change by an elected British government. How odd that Labour should endorse the concept of government by an unelected European bureaucracy. How much more constructive and politically astute if he had faithfully represented the views of Labour voters (and almost certainly his own personal preference) as a step towards a democratically elected Labour government that would have been the best protector of workers’ rights.”

  30. Paul 32

    How much longer are people going to keep listening to this clown Key?
    Like his mate,Cameron, he should resign.

    Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM's-impact-on-nz-will-be-limited-pm

    Brexit raises risk of global recession as financial markets plunge worldwide

    • Paul 32.1

      Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM's-impact-on-nz-will-be-limited-pm

      UK’s out vote proves a ‘game-changer’ for US stocks, oil and gold

      US markets fell sharply of Friday as American traders tried to reckon with a newly uncertain future in the wake of the shock “leave” result of the UK Brexit referendum.
      All the major US markets suffered losses with the Dow Jones diving 608 points, a fall of 3.39%. The S&P 500 lost 76 points, a fall of 3.6% and the technology heavy Nasdaq was the biggest loser of the day, falling 202 points, or 4.1%.
      Kenny said the unease in the markets would likely keep the Federal Reserve from raising rates in the short term, and in the long term the consequences would be far-reaching.
      Gold prices – which rise in times of uncertainty – jumped to their highest levels since October 2013, rising 8%, while US crude oil prices fell about 7% on fears that the global economy – and demand for oil – would slow.

      • Paul 32.1.1

        Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM's-impact-on-nz-will-be-limited-pm

        Moody’s, the credit rating agency, has just lowered the outlook on Britain’s credit rating to negative from stable.
        It says that Britain’s economic growth will be weaker, following the EU referendum vote. It also warns the the public finances will be weaker than previously forecast, meaning it will be harder to cut the deficit.
        In a gloomy update, Moody’s says that the Brexit vote will herald a “prolonged period of uncertainty” for the UK, with negative implications for growth in the medium terms.

        • Paul

          How much longer are people going to keep listening to this clown Key?

          Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM

          ‘Brexit wipes $2 trillion off stock markets

          Roughly US$2 trillion was wiped off global stocks after Britain’s shock vote to leave the European Union sparked carnage in sharemarkets from New Zealand to London.
          In case you’re having trouble getting your head around that – two trillion is two thousand billion. And remember, one billion is one thousand million.
          Wall Street had its biggest sell-off in 10-months overnight, with the S&P 500 share index dropping 3.6 per cent and the Nasdaq plunging 4.1 per cent.
          That followed a torrid day’s trading in Europe which saw London’s FTSE 100 plunge more than 8 per cent at the open before recovering, to close down 3.2 per cent, after Bank of England governor Mark Carney pledged to do whatever it takes to support the markets.’

          • Paul

            How much longer are people going to keep listening to this clown Key?
            Like his mate,Cameron, he should resign.

            Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM

            ‘Brexit to put pressure on mortgage rates
            Mortgage rates may rise as a result of Britain’s decision to leave the European Union.
            Bank economists in New Zealand expect the cost of bank funding to rise as a result of the uncertainties over the Brexit.
            In times of uncertainty, investors demand a higher “risk premium” for lending their money, ASB economist Nick Tuffley said.
            “At the moment we are seeing the UK and European bank stocks have been hit quite heavily.”
            “There will be inevitable increases in credit risk premiums for banks in general and that will include for Australia and New Zealand,” he said.
            Exactly what that will mean for mortgage rates is unknown as there remains a lot of uncertainty to work through, he said.
            “We have seen a rise in funding costs and risk premiums coming through.”
            Tuffley is not alone in noting the rising funding costs for banks.
            Dominick Stephens from Westpac said: “Global financial markets are shocked.”
            “Global interest rate markets have reacted by pushing credit spreads wider, while expectations of interest rate hikes from the US Federal Reserve have been pegged back.”
            Even as funding costs are rising, there’s speculation that the Brexit will increase the likelihood of an Official Cash rate cut by the Reserve Bank.
            “In New Zealand, pricing has moved decidedly in favour of an OCR cut in August, which seems reasonable at this stage. Markets have also moved to price in some chance of the OCR falling below 2 per cent,” Stephens said.


    • Reddelusion 32.2

      Paul you where all doom and gloom at the beginning of the year as well, cry wolf comes to mind The sun will come up tomorrow and overtime every thing will adjust to the new normal cheer up cherub

  31. Paul 33

    When UK Labour had a vision……

  32. Paul 34

    First we had this…..
    ‘Brexit’s impact on NZ will be limited – PM’'s-impact-on-nz-will-be-limited-pm

    Trillions wiped off the world stock market, the NZ dollar in decline, a risk of another recession has escalated……
    Never mind, Key says nothing to look at here…

    Now we get this…
    ‘Markets will settle after Brexit – Key’

    How much longer are people going to keep listening to this clown Key?

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    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 day ago
  • Trump’s Adopted Son.
    Waiting In The Wings: For truly, if Trump is America’s un-assassinated Caesar, then J.D. Vance is America’s Octavian, the Republic’s youthful undertaker – and its first Emperor.DONALD TRUMP’S SELECTION of James D. Vance as his running-mate bodes ill for the American republic. A fervent supporter of Viktor Orban, the “illiberal” prime ...
    1 day ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Friday, July 19
    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Friday, July 19, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:The PSA announced the Employment Relations Authority (ERA) had ruled in the PSA’s favour in its case against the Ministry ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • The Hoon around the week to July 19
    TL;DR: The podcast above of the weekly ‘hoon’ webinar for paying subscribers last night features co-hosts and talking with:The Kākā’s climate correspondent talking about the National-ACT-NZ First Government’s release of its first Emissions Reduction Plan;University of Otago Foreign Relations Professor and special guest Dr Karin von ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 day ago
  • Skeptical Science New Research for Week #29 2024
    Open access notables Improving global temperature datasets to better account for non-uniform warming, Calvert, Quarterly Journal of the Royal Meteorological Society: To better account for spatial non-uniform trends in warming, a new GITD [global instrumental temperature dataset] was created that used maximum likelihood estimation (MLE) to combine the land surface ...
    2 days ago
  • We're back again! Join us for the weekly Hoon on YouTube Live
    Photo by Gabriel Crismariu on UnsplashWe’re back again after our mid-winter break. We’re still with the ‘new’ day of the week (Thursday rather than Friday) when we have our ‘hoon’ webinar with paying subscribers to The Kākā for an hour at 5 pm.Jump on this link on YouTube Livestream for ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • Gut Reactions.
    Trump Writes His Own Story: Would the “mainstream” media even try to reflect the horrified reaction of the MAGA crowd to the pop-pop-pop of the would-be assassin’s rifle, and Trump going down? Could it even grasp the sheer elation of the rally-goers seeing their champion rise up and punch the air, still alive, ...
    2 days ago
  • Dodging Bullets.
    Fight! Fight! Fight! Had the assassin’s bullet found its mark and killed Donald Trump, America’s descent into widespread and murderous violence – possibly spiralling-down into civil war – would have been immediate and quite possibly irreparable. The American Republic, upon whose survival liberty and democracy continue to depend, is certainly not ...
    2 days ago
  • 'Corruption First' Strikes Again
    There comes a point in all our lives when we must stop to say, “Enough is enough. We know what’s happening. We are not as stupid or as ignorant as you believe us to be. And making policies that kill or harm our people is not acceptable, Ministers.”Plausible deniability has ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Thursday, July 18
    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:The inside stories of KiwiRail’s iRex debacle, Westport’s perma-delayed flood scheme and Christchurch’s post-quake sewer rebuild, which assumed no population growth, show just how deeply sceptical senior officials in Treasury, the Ministry of ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • What's that Jack Black?
    Ah-rah, deeSoo-guh-goo-gee-goo-geeGoo-guh fli-goo gee-gooGuh fli-goo, ga-goo-buh-deeOoh, guh-goo-beeOoh-guh-guh-bee-guh-guh-beeFli-goo gee-gooA-fliguh woo-wa mama Lucifer!I’m about ready to move on, how about you?Not from the shooting, that’s bad and we definitely shouldn’t have that. But the rehabilitation of Donald J Trump? The deification of Saint Donald? As the Great Unifier?Gimme a bucket. to re-iterate, ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago
  • June 2024: Earth’s 13th-consecutive warmest month on record
    This is a re-post from Yale Climate Connections by Jeff Masters and Bob Henson June 2024 was Earth’s warmest June since global record-keeping began in 1850 and was the planet’s 13th consecutive warmest month on record, NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information, or NCEI, reported July 12. As opposed to being focused in ...
    2 days ago
  • Connecting the dots and filling the gaps in our bike network
    This is a guest post by Shaun Baker on the importance of filling the gaps in our cycling networks. It originally appeared on his blog Multimodal Adventures, and is re-posted here with kind permission. In our towns and cities in Aotearoa New Zealand, there are areas in our cycling networks ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    2 days ago
  • Webworm Down Under Photos!
    Hi,I wanted to share a few thoughts and photos from the Webworm popup and Tickled screening we held in Auckland, New Zealand last weekend.In short — it was a blast. I mean, I had a blast and I hope any of you that came also had a blast.An old friend ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Thursday, July 18
    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:30 am on Thursday, July 18 are:News: Christchurch's sewer systems block further housing developments RNZ’s Niva ChittockAnalysis: Interislander: Treasury, MoT officials' mistrust of KiwiRail led ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Thursday, July 18
    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Thursday, July 18, the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day are:Verbatim: Climate Change Minister Simon Watts held a news conference in Auckland to release the Government’s Emissions Reduction Plan, including ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago
  • The politics of managed retreat
    Climate change deniers are now challenging the Government over a key climate change adaptation policy. That begs the question of whether New Zealand First will then support Government moves to implement processes to deal with a managed retreat for properties in danger of flooding because of sea level rise and ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago
  • Some changes are coming
    Warm welcome again to those who are here. The Mountain Tui substack was officially started on the 2nd of July. I wrote about what led me here on this post. Since then, it’s been a learning to navigate the platform, get to meet those in the community, and basically be ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • About fucking time
    The US Supreme Court has been rogue for years, with openly corrupt judges making the law up as they go to suit themselves, their billionaire buyers, and the Republican Party. But now, in the wake of them granting a licence for tyranny, President Biden is actually going to try and ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • Climate Change: False accounting and wishful thinking
    National released their draft 2026-2030 Emissions Reduction Plan today. The plan is required under the Zero Carbon Act, and must set out policies and strategies to meet the relevant emissions budget. Having cancelled all Labour's actually effective climate change policies and crashed the carbon price, National was always going to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago
  • The Enemies Of Sunshine And Space.
    Our Houses? The Urban Density debate is a horrible combination of intergenerational avarice and envy, fuelled by the grim certainty that none of the generations coming up after them will ever have it as good as the Boomers. To say that this situation rankles among those born after 1965 is to ...
    3 days ago
  • Still the 5 Eyes Achilles Heel?
    The National Cyber Security Centre (NZSC), a unit in the Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) dedicated to cyber-security, has released a Review of its response to the 2021 email hacking of NZ members of the Inter-Parliamentary Alliance on China (IPAC, … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    3 days ago
  • Britain's Devastating Electoral Slip.
    Slip-Sliding Away: Labour may now enjoy a dominant position in Britain’s political landscape, but only by virtue of not being swallowed by it.THE BRITISH LABOUR PARTY’S “landslide victory” is nothing of the sort. As most people understand the term, a landslide election victory is one in which the incumbent government, or ...
    3 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on why right wingers think all governments (including their own) are incompetent
    Since open denial of climate change is no longer a viable political option, denial now comes in disguise. The release this week of the coalition government’s ‘draft emissions reductions plan” shows that the Luxon government is refusing to see the need to cut emissions at source. Instead, it proposes to ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Wednesday, July 17
    TL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy this morning are:Chris Penk is set to roll back building standards for insulation that had only just been put in place, and which had been estimated to save 40% from power costs, after builders ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • Open Letter to Pharmac
    All this talk of getting oldIt's getting me down, my loveLike a cat in a bag, waiting to drownThis time I'm coming downAnd I hope you're thinking of meAs you lay down on your sideNow the drugs don't workThey just make you worse but I know I'll see your face ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago
  • A blanket of misinformation
    Two old sayings have been on my mind lately. The first is: “The pen is mightier than the sword”, describing the power of language and communication to help or to harm. The other, which captures the speed with which falsehoods can become ingrained and hard to undo, is: “A lie can ...
    Greater AucklandBy Connor Sharp
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Wednesday, July 17
    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 7:00 am on Wednesday, July 17 are:Scoop: Government considers rolling back home insulation standards RNZ’s Eloise GibsonNews: Government plans tree-planting frenzy as report shows NZ no longer ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Wednesday, July 17
    TL;DR: As of 6:00 am on Wednesday, July 17 , the top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day were:Simon Watts released the Government’s draft Emissions Reduction Plan (ERP), which included proposed changes to the Emissions Trading Scheme ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago
  • “Shhhh” – National's 3 Waters is loaded with higher costs and lays a path to ...
    This is a long, possibly technical, but very, very important read. I encourage you to take the time and spread your awareness.IntroductionIn 2022, then Labour Party Prime Minister Jacinda Adern expended significant political capital to protect New Zealand’s water assets from privatisation. She lost that battle, and Labour and the ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    3 days ago
  • Plugging a video channel: Dr Gilbz
    Dr. Ella Gilbert is a climate scientist and presenter with a PhD in Antarctic climate change, working at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS). Her background is in atmospheric sciences and she's especially interested in the physical mechanisms of climate change, clouds, and almost anything polar. She is passionate about communicating climate ...
    4 days ago
  • Some “scrutiny” again
    Back in 2022, in its Open Government Partnership National Action Plan, the government promised to strengthen scrutiny of Official Information Act exemption clauses in legislation. Since then they've run a secret "consultation" on how to do that, with their preferred outcome being that agencies will consult the Ministry of Justice ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago
  • Crashing New Zealand's health system is not the way to prosperity, Prime Minister
    Another day, and yet another piece of bad news for New Zealand’s health system. Reports have come out that General Practitioners (GP) may have to close doors, or increase patient fees to survive. The so-called ‘capitation’ funding review, which supports GP practices to survive, is under way, and primary care ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    4 days ago
  • Closer Than You Think: Ageing Boomers, Laurie & Les, Talk Politics.
    Redefining Our Terms: “When an angry majority is demanding change, defending the status-quo is an extremist position.”“WHAT’S THIS?”, asked Laurie, eyeing suspiciously the two glasses of red wine deposited in front of him.“A nice drop of red. I thought you’d be keen to celebrate the French Far-Right’s victory with the ...
    4 days ago
  • Come on Darleen.
    Good morning all, time for a return to things domestic. After elections in the UK and France, Luxon gatecrashing Nato, and the attempted shooting of Trump, it’s probably about time we re-focus on local politics.Unless of course you’re Christopher Luxon and you’re so exhausted from all your schmoozing in Washington ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago
  • How the Northwest was lost and may be won
    This is a guest post by Darren Davis. It originally appeared on his excellent blog, Adventures in Transitland, which we encourage you to check out. It is shared by kind permission. The Northwest has always been Auckland’s public transport Cinderella, rarely invited to the public funding ball. How did ...
    Greater AucklandBy Guest Post
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Tuesday July 16
    Luxon has told a Financial Times’ correspondent he would openly call out China’s spying in future and does not fear economic retaliation from Aotearoa’s largest trading partner.File Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy on Tuesday, ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Tuesday, July 16
    TL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day or so to 6:00 am on Tuesday, July 16 are:PM Christopher Luxon has given a very hawkish interview to the Financial Times-$$$ correspondent in Washington, Demetri Sevastopulu, saying ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Tuesday, July 16
    Photo by Ryunosuke Kikuno on UnsplashTL;DR: The top six announcements, speeches, reports and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last day to 6:00 am are:BNZ released its Performance of Services Index for June, finding that services sector is at its lowest level of activity ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago
  • The second crisis; assumption was the mother
    Late on the night of July 16, 1984, while four National Cabinet Ministers were meeting in the Beehive office of Deputy Prime Minister Jim McLay, plotting the ultimate downfall of outgoing Prime Minister Sir Robert Muldoon, another crisis was building up in another part of the capital. The United States ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago
  • Can we air condition our way out of extreme heat?
    This is a re-post from The Climate Brink by Andrew Dessler Air conditioning was initially a symbol of comfort and wealth, enjoyed by the wealthy in theaters and upscale homes. Over time, as technology advanced and costs decreased, air conditioning became more accessible to the general public. With global warming, though, ...
    5 days ago
  • Review: The Zimiamvian Trilogy, by E.R. Eddison (1935-1958)
    I have reviewed some fairly obscure stuff on this blog. Nineteenth century New Zealand speculative fiction. Forgotten Tolkien adaptations. George MacDonald and William Morris. Last month I took a look at The Worm Ouroboros (1922), by E.R. Eddison, which while not strictly obscure, is also not overly inviting to many ...
    5 days ago
  • Media Link: AVFA on the Trump assassination attempt.
    In this episode of “A View from Afar” Selwyn Manning and I discuss the attempt on Donald Trump’s life and its implications for the US elections. The political darkness grows. ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    5 days ago
  • Law & Order: National Party 1, Police 0, Public -1
    What happened?Media is reporting that police have lost in their pay dispute with the Coalition Government.Some of you might remember that the police rejected Labour’s previous offer in September, 2023, possibly looking forward to be taken care of by the self-touted ‘Party of Law and Order’ - National.If you look ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    5 days ago
  • Gordon Campbell on the Trump shooting and a potential hike in fees for visiting the doctor
    Having watched Donald Trump systematically exploit social grievances, urge people not to accept his election loss and incite his followers to violent insurrection… it is a bit hard to swallow the media descriptions over the past 24 hours of Trump being a “victim” of violence. More like a case of ...
    WerewolfBy lyndon
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā's Chorus for Monday July 15
    The exploitation of workers on the national fibre broadband rollout highlights once again the dark underbelly of our ‘churn and burn’ economy. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: The top six things I’ve noted around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy today are:An extraordinary Steve Kilgallon investigation into ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Pick 'n' Mix for Monday, July 15
    Photo by Jessica Loaiza on UnsplashTL;DR: My pick of the top six links elsewhere around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the last three days to 9:00 am on Monday, July 15 are:Investigation: Immigration NZ refused to prosecute an alleged exploiter despite a mountain of evidence - ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • City Centre Rebuild: How Soon Is Now?
    Patrick Reynolds is deputy chair of the City Centre Advisory Panel and a director of Greater Auckland There is ongoing angst about construction disruption in the city centre. And fair enough: it’s very tough, CRL and other construction has been going on for a very long time. Like the pandemic, ...
    Greater AucklandBy Patrick Reynolds
    5 days ago
  • Peril, dismay, resolution
    This afternoon we rolled into Budapest to bring to a close our ride across Europe. We did 144 km yesterday, severe heat messages coming in from the weather app as we bounced along unformed Hungarian back roads and a road strip strewn with fallen trees from an overnight tornado. Somewhere ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago
  • Bullet the Blue Sky
    In the locust windComes a rattle and humJacob wrestled the angelAnd the angel was overcomeYou plant a demon seedYou raise a flower of fireWe see them burnin' crossesSee the flames, higher and higherBullet the blue skyBullet the blue skyThe indelible images, the soundtrack of America. Guns, assassinations, where-were-you-when moments attached ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s Journal of Record for Monday, July 15
    TL;DR: The top six announcements, rulings, reports, surveys, statistics and research around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the three days to 6:00 am on Monday, July 23 are:University of Auckland researcher Ryan Greenaway-McGrevy published an analysis of the impact of Auckland's 2016 zoning reforms.BNZ's latest Performance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • The Kākā’s diary for the week to July 23 and beyond
    TL;DR: The six key events to watch in Aotearoa-NZ’s political economy in the week to July 23 include:PM Christopher Luxon has returned from a trip to the United States and may hold a post-Cabinet news conference at 4:00 pm today.The BusinessNZ-BNZ PSI survey results for June will be released this ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    5 days ago
  • Was The Assassination Attempt Fake?
    Hi,It’s in incredible photo, and we’re going to be talking about it for a long time:Trump, triumphantly raising his hand in the air after being shot. Photo credit: Evan VucciYou can watch what happened on YouTube in real time, as a 20-year-old from Pennsylvania lets off a series of gunshots ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    5 days ago
  • 40 years ago, inside the crisis that made modern NZ
    It had rained all day in Auckland, and the Metro Theatre in Mangere was steamed up inside as more and more people arrived to celebrate what had once seemed impossible. Sir Robert Muldoon had lost the 1984 election. “Piggy” Muldoon was no more. Such was the desire to get rid ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    5 days ago
  • 2024 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #28
    A listing of 34 news and opinion articles we found interesting and shared on social media during the past week: Sun, July 7, 2024 thru Sat, July 13, 2024. Story of the week It's still early summer in the Northern Hemisphere. The season comes as our first year of 1.5°C warming ...
    6 days ago
  • Unsurprising, but Trump shooting creates opportunity for a surprising response
    I can’t say I’m shocked. As the US news networks offer rolling coverage dissecting the detail of today’s shooting at a Donald Trump rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, and we hear eye-witnesses trying to make sense of their trauma, the most common word being used is shock. And shocking it is. ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    6 days ago
  • Escalation in the States as Trump is shot and his allies capitalize on the moment
    Snapshot summary of the shooting in the States belowAnd a time to remember what Abraham Lincoln once said of the United States of America:We find ourselves in the peaceful possession of the fairest portion of the earth, as regards extent of territory, fertility of soil, and salubrity of climate. We ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden for President
    I will do all that I can to see that President Biden is re-elected. Why? Despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump — a demagogue and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • Questions from God
    Have you invited God into your online life? Do you have answers for his questions? Did I just assume God’s pronouns?Before this goes any further, or gets too blasphemous, a word of explanation. When I say “God”, I don’t meant your god(s), if you have one/them. The God I speak ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago
  • The politics of money and influence
    Did you know: Four days ago, the CEO of Warner Bros Discovery (WBD), David Zaslav, opined that he didn’t really care who won the US Presidential election, so long as they were M&A and business friendly. Please share my Substack so I can continue my work. Thank you and happy ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    6 days ago
  • Auckland & Transport Minister Simeon Brown's insanity
    Excuse me, but I just don’t feel like being polite today. What is going on with Simeon Brown? I mean, really? After spending valuable Ministerial time, focus, and government resources to overturn tailored speed limits in school and high fatality zones that *checks notes* reduces the risk of deaths and ...
    Mountain TuiBy Mountain Tui
    7 days ago
  • Were scientists caught falsifying data in the hacked emails incident dubbed 'climategate'?
    Skeptical Science is partnering with Gigafact to produce fact briefs — bite-sized fact checks of trending claims. This fact brief was written by John Mason in collaboration with members from the Gigafact team. You can submit claims you think need checking via the tipline. Were scientists caught falsifying data in the ...
    7 days ago
  • What Happened to David D'Amato's Millions?
    Today’s podcast episode is for paying Webworm members — and is a conversation seven years in the making. Let me explain.Hi,As I hit “send” on this newsletter, I’m about to play my 2016 documentary Tickled to a theatre full of about 400 Webworm readers in Auckland, New Zealand.And with Tickled ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    7 days ago
  • Voting as a multi-order process of choice.
    Recent elections around the world got me to thinking about voting. At a broad level, voting involves processes and choices. Embedded in both are the logics that go into “sincere” versus “tactical” voting. “Sincere” voting is usually a matter of preferred … Continue reading ...
    KiwipoliticoBy Pablo
    7 days ago
  • Women in Space.
    Count downThree twoI wonderIf I'll ever see you againI'm 'bout to take offI'm leaving youBut maybeI'll see you around somewhere some placeI just need some spaceA brief reminder that if you’re a Gold Card holder you can subscribe to Nick’s Kōrero for 20% off. You’re also welcome to use this ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    7 days ago
  • Bernard’s Saturday Soliloquy for the week to July 13
    Auckland waterfront, July. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: My top six things to note around housing, climate and poverty in Aotearoa’s political economy in the week to July 13 are:The National-ACT-NZ First Coalition Government watered down vehicle emissions standards this week, compounding the climate emissions damage from an increasingly ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    7 days ago
  • Dems need to ask the right question about Biden as his age now defines the campaign
    Midway through the news conference that many American political commentators had built up as critical to Joe Biden’s re-election chances, the US president said European leaders are not asking him not to run for a second term, “they’re saying you gotta win”.The problem for Biden and his advisors is that ...
    PunditBy Tim Watkin
    1 week ago

  • Update on global IT outage
    Acting Prime Minister David Seymour has been in contact throughout the evening with senior officials who have coordinated a whole of government response to the global IT outage and can provide an update. The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet has designated the National Emergency Management Agency as the ...
    10 hours ago
  • New Zealand, Japan renew Pacific partnership
    New Zealand and Japan will continue to step up their shared engagement with the Pacific, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.    “New Zealand and Japan have a strong, shared interest in a free, open and stable Pacific Islands region,” Mr Peters says.    “We are pleased to be finding more ways ...
    15 hours ago
  • New infrastructure energises BOP forestry towns
    New developments in the heart of North Island forestry country will reinvigorate their communities and boost economic development, Regional Development Minister Shane Jones says. Mr Jones visited Kaingaroa and Kawerau in Bay of Plenty today to open a landmark community centre in the former and a new connecting road in ...
    17 hours ago
  • 'Pacific Futures'
    President Adeang, fellow Ministers, honourable Diet Member Horii, Ambassadors, distinguished guests.    Minasama, konnichiwa, and good afternoon, everyone.    Distinguished guests, it’s a pleasure to be here with you today to talk about New Zealand’s foreign policy reset, the reasons for it, the values that underpin it, and how it ...
    18 hours ago
  • Delivering 24 hour pothole repairs
    Kiwis and freight operators will benefit from the Coalition Government delivering on its commitment to introduce targets that will ensure a greater number of potholes on our state highways are identified and fixed within 24 hours, Transport Minister Simeon Brown says.  “Increasing productivity to help rebuild our economy is a key ...
    21 hours ago
  • Peer Support Specialists rolled out in hospitals
    Five hospitals have been selected to trial a new mental health and addiction peer support service in their emergency departments as part of the Government’s commitment to increase access to mental health and addiction support for New Zealanders, says Mental Health Minister Matt Doocey.  “Peer Support Specialists in EDs will ...
    2 days ago
  • Consultation opens for the Emissions Reduction Plan
    The Government’s draft Emissions Reduction Plan shows we can stay within the limits of the first two emissions budgets while growing the economy, Climate Change Minister Simon Watts says. “This draft Emissions Reduction Plan shows that with effective climate change policies we can both grow the economy and deliver our ...
    2 days ago
  • Benefit stats highlight need for welfare reset
    The coalition Government is providing extra support for job seekers to ensure as many Kiwis as possible are in work or preparing for work, Social Development and Employment Minister Louise Upston says. “While today’s quarterly data showing a rise in the number of people on Jobseeker benefits has been long ...
    2 days ago
  • School attendance continues to increase
    Provisional school attendance data for Term 2 2024 released today has shown more students are back in class compared to last year, with 53.1 per cent of students regularly attending, compared with 47 per cent in Term 2 2023, Associate Education Minister David Seymour says. “The Government has prioritised student ...
    2 days ago
  • $22.7m of West Coast resilience projects underway
    Transport Minister Simeon Brown has welcomed news of progress being made by the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) on the first of several crucial resilience projects underway on the South Island’s West Coast.“State highways across the West Coast are critical lifelines for communities throughout the region, including for freight and tourism. ...
    2 days ago
  • Migrant school leavers to get part-time work rights
    The coalition Government is providing migrant school leavers with greater opportunities, by increasing access to part-time work rights for those awaiting the outcome of a family residence application, Immigration Minister Erica Stanford has announced.  “Many young people who are part of a family residence application process are unable to work. ...
    3 days ago
  • Funding to support use of NZ Sign Language
    Seven projects have received government funding totalling nearly $250,000 to maintain and promote the use of New Zealand Sign Language (NZSL). Initiatives that received an NZSL Board Community Grants this year include camps that support the use of NZSL through physical and sensory activities, and clubs where Deaf people and ...
    3 days ago
  • Inflation data shows progress in economic recovery
    Today’s Consumer Price Index data which has inflation at 3.3 per cent for the year to July 2024, shows we are turning our economy around and winning the fight against rampant inflation, Finance Minister Nicola Willis says.  “While today’s data will be welcome news for Kiwis, I know many New ...
    3 days ago
  • Experts to advise Minister on Oranga Tamariki
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