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1. higherstandard 1

   7 March 2008 at 8:00 am

   Ha Excellent
2. Phil 2

   7 March 2008 at 9:02 am

   Good stuff… any thoughts on the Trotter colum directly below it on the same page?
3. the sprout 3

   7 March 2008 at 9:31 am

   nice cartoon, but it’s missing McCullay’s shepherds crook holding Key’s head to the teat.
4. Tane 4

   7 March 2008 at 9:35 am

   any thoughts on the Trotter colum directly below it on the same page?

   Yeah, I thought it was kind of insane. What on earth does Socialist Worker have to do with anything?
5. Santi 5

   7 March 2008 at 9:58 am

   Trotter has been a nutter all his life. After all he’s a socialist.

   With or without Clark Labour is doomed and will fall at the next election. Get ready to become the opposition.
6. Tane 6

   7 March 2008 at 10:04 am

   I actually have quite a bit of respect for Trotter as a writer, I just don’t think his analysis of the political game is much chop. His problem is that he presents as an insider when he actually gets all his information from the trade union bar in Auckland (he even admitted as much in his column today). Stick to the big picture stuff Chris.
7. Robinsod 7

   7 March 2008 at 10:09 am

   Trotter is a socialist? I just read his column and he seems to be attacking socialists and sticking up for the rich. Perhaps “from the left” is a misnomer.
8. gobsmacked 8

   7 March 2008 at 10:11 am

   From National’s “With Friends Like These” File …

   John Banks wants Clark to stay in power!

   Newstalk ZB reports:

   “Auckland mayor John Banks is full of praise for Prime Minister Helen Clark after she announced a $30 million grant for Auckland Art Gallery’s redevelopment.

   The announcement was made at a function at the art gallery last night.

   Mr Banks says he would be very happy if Miss Clark remained the Minister for Arts, Culture and Heritage for life. He says she has kept her promise to help the gallery and that must be acknowledged.”
9. ghostwhowalks 9

   7 March 2008 at 11:09 am

   Trotter was a well known fixture at Catherine Judds Awaroa Partners PR consultancy for friday night drinks.
   This was when Judd was the ACT party President ( yes she only did the job on condition of the $200,000 pa retainer)

   Trotter was the tame socialist let out of the zoo for the neo conservatives to gawp at much like Wellingtons Zoos leopards.
   I suppose the leopards still had their spots when returned to the zoo
10. mike 10

    7 March 2008 at 11:31 am

    I see its not so “Filthy” when its not Helen in the firing line. Double standard…
11. Shane 11

    7 March 2008 at 11:37 am

    Is the media not biased toward Key anymore? Anyone at The
    Standard??
12. Robinsod 12

    7 March 2008 at 11:40 am

    Hey Mike – get back to work you lazy prick!
13. Matthew Pilott 13

    7 March 2008 at 1:32 pm

    mike sets a new standard for the inane.

    In case you missed it, ‘filth’ wasn’t merely about the fact that Clark was in a cartoon, or do the finer points escape you?
14. higherstandard 14

    9 March 2008 at 11:45 am

    Interesting comments from Tom Scott today in the paper

    Cartoonist Tom Scott said he and his colleagues had to reflect reality and Clark was being treated no differently from David Lange or Jim Bolger in the last days of their tenure.

    “In some ways cartoonists are the school bullies,” Scott said. “I try to resist it but if things are going badly, your job is to reflect that. Sometimes you’re ahead of public opinion and sometimes you’re behind it.”

    Scott said things could be worse for Clark. “In some ways, women get let off the hook in politics because you can’t draw them anywhere near as cruelly as men.”
15. AncientGeek 15

    9 March 2008 at 3:17 pm

    I have no problem with the cartoonists being unkind.

    However an image of Helen as Castro and implying that she was capable of violating democratic principles was just “Filth“.

    Even the nats with their attempted rorting of the last election didn’t deserve that.
16. higherstandard 16

    9 March 2008 at 4:47 pm

    Ancient are you taking the piss – or have you forgotten the EFA and the very recent Muldoon like actions over the Auckland airport.

    It seems to me that the authors on this site are so entrenched in the service o’f the present government that posts are solely in the vein of everything Labour and labours people do is fine and good while everything from the alternate side of the house is evil and corrupt if that’s what you truely believe and your nom de plume is true I’d humbly suggest your many years have taught you little.
17. Pascal's bookie 17

    9 March 2008 at 8:52 pm

    ’cause the EFA is exactly what they’ve got in Cuba, and you’d have to be taking the piss to suggest otherwise.

    I’m still waiting to see this higher standard HS.
18. higherstandard 18

    9 March 2008 at 9:13 pm

    So bookie perhaps you like to explain how the EFA is not a violation of democratic principles then.
19. Pascal's bookie 19

    9 March 2008 at 9:21 pm

    It doesn’t stop anyone voting HS. But I understand your point. However unless you believe that there should be no laws around electioneering you can’t take an absolutist stand. It’s all about balancing tests and shades of grey.

    How about explaining how we are just like Cuba?
20. AncientGeek 20

    9 March 2008 at 10:21 pm

    AIA is required by most intellectual property exporters (like me) and a lot of agricultural exporters. Seeing it going downwards like other privatised natural monopolies like Telecom and its network, or Toll with the rail network isn’t acceptable to most exporters.

    EFA – well the Nat’s started the 2005 campaign well before the 3 month campaign period – especially with the billboards in march. They ran a campaign in association with concealed third parties. They also spent far more money over that extended period than they were allowed to. They violated the spirit of the existing legislation. The Auditor General then invalidated existing practices.

    So the parties pushed for a cleanup of legislation (including the Nat’s). The problem was that the Nats didn’t like some of the provisions specifically targeted at some of the practices put in by other parties including Labour. So they ran a failed campaign against it. In the end more MP’s voted for than against, and most parties voted for it. So why is that not democratic in a representative democracy?

    I expect governments to govern, and parliament to check question and modify. I don’t expect Farrar or his buddies to have any say in it – didn’t elect them. They are the anti-democratic ideologues.

    In particular in a country the size of NZ with inherent natural monopolies, the government has a duty to ensure that those are regulated for the benefit of all rather than just the benefit of shareholders. And you find that kind of government management worldwide for exactly that reason.

    I ask you a question – ignoring Muldoon, how often have national governments intervened in exactly the same way. Someone like Bolger or Holyoake would have done much same as Helen.
21. higherstandard 21

    10 March 2008 at 9:14 am

    Pascal

    You might like to point out to me where I said NZ is like Cuba and lighten up in terms of politica satire.

    AG

    ‘AIA is required by most intellectual property exporters (like me)’

    Eh ?

    ‘and a lot of agricultural exporters. ‘

    Agreed

    ‘Seeing it going downwards’

    Don’t know about that I was under the impression it was retunring healthy dividends to shareholders and it is undeniable that services and faclities at the airport have improved vastly over the last 10 -15 years.

    ‘like other privatised natural monopolies like Telecom and its network, or Toll with the rail network isn’t acceptable to most exporters.’

    You’ll be surprised to hear that I agree that governement regulation is required in both these areas and that I pretty much agree with the line of the present governement on splitting telecom into separate units.

    ‘In the end more MPs voted for the EFA than against it’

    Undeniable as a reminder those that didn’t were from memory
    Nats
    Maori Party
    ACT
    and Dunne

    ‘In particular in a country the size of NZ with inherent natural monopolies, the government has a duty to ensure that those are regulated for the benefit of all rather than just the benefit of shareholders. And you find that kind of government management worldwide for exactly that reason.’

    We are in complete agreement on this point, howver, everyone is tending to forget the Canadian bid which has caused the issue to ferment was for a minority stake, no voting rights and acknowledged and allowed for the management of the AIA as an asset of strategic national importance. Just like Muldoon, Holyoake, Peters and numerous other politicians over the years it seems to me that the AIA issue has been more about politics than protecting a national asset (from what in this case is a pretty non-existent threat)

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