Chorus of opposition to Key-Dunne spying Bill continues

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1. Pascal's bookie 1

   7 August 2013 at 10:55 am

   The only thing Peter Dunne is yet to decide is whether or not he’ll put:

   “Willing seller, willing buyer. Once bought, stays bought. Vote Dunne for deals.”

   on his billboards next year.
   • aerobubble 1.1

     7 August 2013 at 11:16 am

     Key doesn’t want to have a bipartisan National Security bill, as he knows best, he knows how to implement Novopay, he knows that stopping foriegn investors buying property is racist and that sending tainted baby milk formula to China makes us their best friend. Key is a dipstick.
2. Ennui 2

   7 August 2013 at 11:00 am

   We can object all we wish but the passage of this Bill will happen regardless. This reflects two of the thorny issues that are much larger than the Bill per se:
   1. Our position as an imperial vassal to the commercial and political mores of “empire”. Our politicians are merely local satraps and lapdogs and dance to the tune of their imperial overseers. What makes anybody suspect an incoming “left” government would act any differently?
   2. The practice of democracy in NZ is so thoroughly compromised (as demonstrated by the governments inability to regard basic principles of process in their hurry to force any number of issues). Even with a change of government what makes anybody think that any of our current generation of politicians has any commitment to democracy, or the intellectual background to step aside from sectarian interests and actually practice democratic principles (as opposed to “we have the votes, fekk you”)?
   • Rosetinted 2.1

     7 August 2013 at 11:21 am

     Ennui
     +1
     I wonder how many people took part in the Constitution Conversation? Changes have to be made to the way that this country is run for us to have a working democracy.

     If we get our way (we being the politicians and their backers) and join TPP with its sweeping sovereign-standing retrenching, we will probably be lost. Unless we went alone like some South American country that is trying to do things for itself against the mainstream. Could we join a group of non-aligned countries? I haven’t noticed much high minded independence in our nation. In fact someone recently said that we have a lot of deference to people with power.

     We would annoy the right wing faction of native-speaking English who might decide to run a short attack against us to bring us into line. We could then possibly become a practice ground for testing of advanced weapons.

     Or have a battle that left unexploded mines and depleted uranium as in Iraq, finally spoiling our once beautiful, human-free country. We could then be seen as a useful place as a repository for all the nuclear waste in the world which would solve a lot of problems for them. The citizens could huddle in Auckland, and the rest of the North Island could be an exclusion zone, and the south contain the main dumps.

     That’s a Dr Strangelove scenario. It could happen because in the minds of the death-dealers at the top of large defence forces nothing is too terrible to contemplate if the scenario keeps them in power and their desired property and comforts safe.
     • Ennui 2.1.1

       7 August 2013 at 12:08 pm

       Rosetinted, ultimately your scenarios cannot be dismissed even if extreme, because they are about the use of power above principle. Democratic principle is supposed to be a check on this, but listening to our PM it is obvious that he is entirely dismissive of anything apart from “power”. And those whose interests are more “international” than “local” would I have no doubt no hesitation in recourse to coercive discipline for we peasants.
       • Rosetinted 2.1.1.1

         7 August 2013 at 12:45 pm

         The USA is still seen as most powerful country and hegemonic in the world. Their move away from principled democracy has continued since McCarthyism and the naked lies and grasp for power and privilege that was behind it. Then Reagan was all for it and became President. On it rolls, and now it is frightening. It was only wanting to look better in principles than Russia that kept the erosion in check I think. Now Russia is not the foe it was, the effort to at least appear to be good, is not required.

         Wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
         When the budget was signed into law on 28 October 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense’s budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.

         [3] An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010, but has been delayed by the House of Representatives after passing the Senate.[4][5]

         Also the valuable armaments industry, lots of money for doing destructive things.
3. vto 3

   7 August 2013 at 11:38 am

   Dame Anne Salmond makes an indisputable point here…

   “The two MPs who hold the balance of power on this matter are implicated in the Kim Dotcom/GCSB saga. In any other governance situation, they would be required to declare a conflict of interest and step aside from decision-making.”

   Shoddy crappy law-making riddled with conflicts of interest.

   What an absolute sham.

   Peter Dunne should be ashamed of himself.
   • AmaKiwi 3.1

     7 August 2013 at 12:18 pm

     +1 to all of the above.

     Our parliament has lost its legitimacy.
   • Colonial Viper 3.2

     7 August 2013 at 12:20 pm

     Shame is not sufficient for them to do the right thing; overwhelming public and community pressure is needed.
     • Rosetinted 3.2.1

       7 August 2013 at 12:26 pm

       Petr Dunne – shame? He is less that gene.
       • yeshe 3.2.1.1

         7 August 2013 at 1:36 pm

         Exchanged it for the hair gene .. willing buyer, willing seller and all that. He is a spineless and weak coward of a hair do and nothing more. And maybe tomorrow I might say what I really think !
4. exitlane 4

   7 August 2013 at 12:19 pm

   Its likely a forlorn hope but will the media and the Opposition take the delay to investigate and expose the NZ connection to Snowden’s leaks ? Such as ..
   1. does the GCSB have the use of the XKeystore program -with which a low-level analyst can hack anyone any time with a few keystrokes – and without a warrant

   2 does the NSA fund the GCSB as it does the UK spy agency?

   3 do NZ telcos facilitate NSA access to its undersea fibre-optic cables of all New Zealand data – as Aussie and UK telcos have been exposed as doing?
   • yeshe 4.1

     7 August 2013 at 1:44 pm

     Interesting how all these matters can involve Kim Dotcom — he is easily master of the internet, master of encryption, and prior to the raid, I think, was even considering his own cable to NZ. Is this an intrinsic part of the heavy handed plan to destroy his business and discredit him, as he could easily defeat their purposes for himself ? Is it about this as much as Hollywood copyright ? Is this why the bill is so urgent ??
5. Sable 5

   8 August 2013 at 8:55 am

   Kim Dotcom is a test case of sorts by the tyrants to see how far they can go in violating peoples democratic rights. If they can get away with this there is nothing to stop them treating the rest of us the same way.

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