Climb the mountain of conflict

Written By: - Date published: 6:57 pm, April 8th, 2013 - 54 comments
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North Korea is playing nuclear brinksmanship at the moment. Its leadership probably doesn’t want war but the constant threat of war is how it get concessions from the West, gains mana, and keeps its people in line. The West is trying to defuse this situation by talking down the prospects of war, while showing its readiness. Into this delicate, high stakes game stumbled John Key.

The leaders of South Korea and the US have carefully avoided saying that they would go to war with North Korea. They’ve said they will respond strongly to any attack, which is envisioned as small and isolated but purposely not spoken of any kind of full-scale war of the kind that distant allies could get involved in. The choice of language is not accidental. South Korea doesn’t want a full-scale war (they’re realists and wouldn’t exchange their own blood and treasury for ending a regime that’s murdering their cousins), nor does the US.

And in comes Key saying ‘if there’s a war, we’ll be in, we’ll fight you, North Korea’.

You could practically hear foreheads being slapped from the Pentagon to Seoul. The last thing the West needs is one of its members saying it would join in a full-on war with North Korea. That kind of provocative talk increases the risk of a miscalculation that could tip the whole Korean peninsula over the edge and into the fire.

Some people are saying ‘well, Key just gave the frank and honest answer’. To which I sigh and say ‘when did frankness and honesty ever have anything to do with diplomacy?’ It’s not in anyone’s interest for people to be talking up their will for a war at this point, even if that will might exist.

Key was surely briefed on this before he went to China. If not by his mates in the spy services, then surely by his media people when they realised that the ‘knuckleheads’ would be itching to put him embarrassingly on the spot when in China. Surely. the line he was told to give was ‘we see no need for conflict on the Korean Peninsula and support all efforts to ease tensions’.

Maybe, he went off script. That’s what I thought when I heard him… it kind of reminded me of this:

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  1. chris73 1
    8 April 2013 at 7:07 pm

    This is a smart play by Key, hes stated that we are allied with the USA and to be honest no ones all that bothered by what NZ says, militarily speaking

    • The Al1en 1.1
      8 April 2013 at 7:26 pm

      “a smart play by Key”

      Paid to write stuff like that, or totally clueless. You decide.

      If John ever wants to make use of his complimentary Sky city platinum card and sign me in as a guest, I’d be quite happy to to get back some of the 1K pw tax cut he gave himself and share a few hands of poker with him.
      I’m all in on his first bluff and every time after. He has so many tells.

      Good job people like chris can’t see them or he’d be really screwed.

      • One Anonymous Knucklehead 1.1.1
        8 April 2013 at 7:41 pm

        Yep, totally clueless.

      • Murray Olsen 1.1.2
        9 April 2013 at 7:37 pm

        Key would have the GCSB filming your cards. I wouldn’t play poker with him. Breathing the same air as him is distasteful enough for me.

    • Colonial Viper 1.2
      8 April 2013 at 7:37 pm

      You do know it’s your service mates who are going to get fucked over by this right, chris73? Defence force budget cuts all round, but then suddenly Gung Ho Key starts talking tough.

      • Tim 1.2.1
        8 April 2013 at 9:26 pm

        Ahhhhhh! flash flash flash goes the lightbulb in Tim’s cluttered mind (re C73!)
        Christ! It ain’t God defend NuZullun, it’s God save us!
        I am correct in assuming the 73 is your birth year aye Chris?
        Pardon y’all the diversion

    • mickysavage 1.3
      8 April 2013 at 8:37 pm

      So what is important is not world piece but local political points …

      I could never ever imagine Helen making such a crass and stupid statement.

      • ghostrider888 1.3.1
        8 April 2013 at 8:40 pm

        “peace” Brother, peace. 🙂

        • mickysavage 1.3.1.1
          8 April 2013 at 8:58 pm

          He dunno what happened there …

          Safari what did you do?

          • ghostrider888 1.3.1.1.1
            8 April 2013 at 9:02 pm

            sorry Mickey, but I was on my way to do the groceries and I stumbled across a cafe…and then there was that spelling mistake…Gee, I hope there is a soft Australian Red who is not a political time-bomb on sale. 🙂

            • mickysavage 1.3.1.1.1.1
              8 April 2013 at 9:32 pm

              It might have been a subconscious expression of what I think Key wants to end up with after his reign as PM has finished …

    • emergency mike 1.4
      8 April 2013 at 9:04 pm

      chris you are fucking clueless. Look at it from the North Korean govt perspective. A crux of their internal propaganda is that they are a major, nuclear armed, military powerhouse. The whole world shakes in awe of their might and other world leaders beg Kim Jong-un for advice on how to run their country.

      So when the country they are officially at war with conducts extensive mililtary exercises with the great satan involving nuclear capable bombers and F-22’s and more within spitting distance of their border, they can’t exactly just slink back their offices and shuffle paper. Their own propaganda narrative demands that they react. Thus they do in the only way they really can, with the usual big bluff war talk. Who else would release a photo casually showing their nuclear attack plan for the US mainland, (which analysts believe they don’t have the missle tech for)? When people pointed out that there had been no troop movements as per claimed war preparations, they moved a missile.

      I live in South Korea and here it’s business as usual. South Koreans have heard this same all bets are off/we’re ripping up all agreements/we’re gonna war u maybe next week talk from the North their whole lives. But the real fear is that NK will feel they have to do something along the sink a boat or bomb an island line, just to save face. Then there is the fact that they are known to possess chemical weapons, and a crude nuke is still a nuke. Who knows what goes on in paranoid internal upper level politics in that most messed up of all countries. Everyone knows this is how real wars do start. South Korea elected their first female president in November. She will be keen to show that she isn’t going to be intimidated by NK bully talk.

      China doesn’t want NK to get flattened by the US and have to deal with the multidutes of refugees and suddenly have a fully US controlled Korea on it’s border. And as much as SK hopes for reunification, the prospect of adopting one of the poorest countries in the world isn’t exactly a mouth-watering prospect economically.

      So John Key, our so-called leader, flies over to China. On Friday he told us that he’s realized he has issues figuring out the whole ‘thinking and opening his gob which comes first’ thing. But of course, even though it’s true, he doesn’t really believe it – that was just the best line he could come up with to explain his latest round of casual off the cuff lying.

      “If there’s a war, we’ll fight with our US bros against ’em North Koreans just like always.”

      Yeah, while everyone else is trying to use words that talk down the prospect of war, John “I think I should stop answering questions” Key wades into this delicate mess and talks it up. I can see the NK propaganda now, “Immoral allies of the imperialist dogs announce their war plans against us!”

      What an idiot. John Key just embarrased himself in front of the international diplomatic community, showing all that he is rank amateur when it comes to foreign relations. He can add China to the regularly growing list of countries that he has insulted. And he’s done the people who live in South Korea no favours in terms of trying to discourage someone in the NK from having a brain-fart and killing a bunch of people one way or another. Please go home and stick to flogging off NZ to your rich mates and making jokes about Davis Shearer’s bank accounts John Key you fucking clown.

  2. Michael Valley 2
    8 April 2013 at 7:15 pm

    So, what’s the gain for New Zealand in that?

    If he had wanted to say we’re allied to the US, then he could have said that in some other context, rather than saying we are ready to go to war with North Korea.

    And allying ourselves with the US isn’t a gain, we’re trying to run an independent foreign policy because our priority is trade and to do that we want to cuddle up with China too

    • idlegus 2.1
      8 April 2013 at 7:33 pm

      & get a seat on the UN council, saying we will follow & support any move the USA makes surely makes that less likely.

      • Michael Valley 2.1.1
        8 April 2013 at 8:07 pm

        a good point. Apart from risking Chinese support, it’ll make some question whether they want such a hothead directing a vote on the security council.

        • mickysavage 2.1.1.1
          8 April 2013 at 8:39 pm

          Its also rather silly when you think that the last Korean war was under UN and not US control. Saying that we will follow the US is actually historically not correct. Details details …

        • freedom 2.1.1.2
          9 April 2013 at 8:37 am

          i may be mistaken but i thought it was a non-voting seat on the security council

          • McFlock 2.1.1.2.1
            9 April 2013 at 4:30 pm

            No, it’s just that the 5 permanent members can veto any resolution by the 15 members of the council (5 permanent, 10 non-permanent).

    • AmaKiwi 2.2
      8 April 2013 at 7:43 pm

      @ Michael Valley

      Precisely. If you are a small fry and want to get as much as you can from the big guys you KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and play at being neutral.

      Mr. Key, in case it escaped your notice, the USA is NOT allied with China. The USA and China are the two bullies in town, each vying to be king of the hill.

      So you go to China and tell them you are best mates with their opponent. How stupid can you get!

      Also in case it escaped your notice, TPPA is about the USA creating its own trading block (exclusive economic network) in China’s backyard.

      He lost his cool, he can’t remember, and now we know he’s clueless in the international arena.

      Worse. Under our system of rotating dictatorships Mr. “So what” – “Can’t recall” has the power to drag all 4.5 million of us into war all by himself.

    • ghostrider888 2.3
      8 April 2013 at 7:58 pm

      well, at least we have the “diplomacy” to stay schtumm about our sharing of intellectual property via the wire with the Motherland; what did 3 News say it was last year? Oh, that’s right
      63 Private Companies, hacked
      21 Govt Agencies, hacked
      8 Infrastructure Organizations,hacked
      in fact, NZ is more hacked by China than Japan, apparently.

      Excellent. When the UFB roll-out is finished in our street, we’ll be able to phone home!

  3. freedom 3
    8 April 2013 at 7:35 pm

    ‘when did frankness and honesty ever have anything to do with diplomacy?’

    💡 yeah, but wouldn’t it be great if it did one day 😉

  4. phillip ure 4
    8 April 2013 at 7:36 pm

    mr valley..are you aware of what america has been doing for the past months..?

    ..despite the compliant media message..it is not north korea that is the aggressor here..

    http://whoar.co.nz/2013/washington%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cplaybook%E2%80%9D-on-provoking-north-korea/

    phillip ure..

    • Draco T Bastard 4.1
      9 April 2013 at 9:25 am

      Oh dear, you even failed to provide the link to the source that you copied.

  5. AmaKiwi 5
    8 April 2013 at 7:59 pm

    I’d like the MSM to run a survey:

    “If there is open warfare in Korea, should we send our defense forces to:

    1. fight on the side of the USA;
    2. fight on the side of China;
    3. keep them home and stay neutral.

    • The Al1en 5.1
      8 April 2013 at 8:04 pm

      3

      • ghostrider888 5.1.1
        8 April 2013 at 8:22 pm

        hey, do you have the url / link for your internet entry that begins something like, “well, I was doing my usual gaze over The Standard…” where you planted your music, about the time you showed up on the planet, or have you beamed it back home through a warp in the space-time continuum?

        • The Al1en 5.1.1.1
          8 April 2013 at 9:10 pm

          Again, pleasantly at a loss 🙂

          If for once I should have gone literal, you’ll have to forgive me.
          Is that a request? Would be my first, so humour me if it isn’t, I’d be devastated 😆
          Could be https://soundcloud.com/theal1en/first-contact-i-come-in-peace

          Had a version up a couple of days ago, but the madness of mediocrity got the better of me and I pulled it.
          Must be a short circuit in the ‘ego’ chip, but that’s company men for you – Skimp on the important stuff just as long as the facial regrowth system functions at 110% efficiency.

          • ghostrider888 5.1.1.1.1
            8 April 2013 at 9:37 pm

            Beards are the new gel. Will listen apopo. (Nothin’s Fancy, important, ‘cept those ya choose to love).
            Meteora, that is an OK album,

            anyway, gotta fly-“Hey Adam! Sergio Leone called! He wants his look back!”

            -Jonathon Blaze (Earth-616)

    • Tim 5.2
      8 April 2013 at 9:37 pm

      Sorry Ama, but the MSM is busy watching Captain America and singing I’m so rone…ry.
      For any political analysis, you’ll need to wait for what the OZ MSM says, wait an hour or so till some lazy NuZuln MSM journo reads, assimilates, and then re-interprets

  6. One Anonymous Knucklehead 6
    8 April 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Question for all the happy little authoritarians gagging for Key to declare war:

    Why do you suppose the Lying Prime Minister is now back-pedalling as fast as he can? Is it because he wants to look like a lightweight tool, or because he is a lightweight tool?

  7. muzza 7
    8 April 2013 at 8:15 pm

    North Korea is playing nuclear brinksmanship at the moment. Its leadership probably doesn’t want war but the constant threat of war is how it get concessions from the West, gains mana, and keeps its people in line.

    While the talking points around John Key later in the article is appropriate, Michael Valley shows that he as NFI about who the protagonists are, nor has he been paying attention to how the imperialists have been operating in recent history!

    NK is not the constant threat of war, in case you hadn’t noticed how the western (zionists) conduct their business the past however many decades!

    Axis of evil – Thats called laying out the agenda in advance!

    • Te Reo Putake 7.1
      8 April 2013 at 8:30 pm

      Yeah, nah, bro. MV’s got this one spot on. And the warmongering of other countries doesn’t excuse the NK leadership one iota for their grotesque enslavement of a nation. North Korea: when social experiments go bad.

      • muzza 7.1.1
        8 April 2013 at 8:52 pm

        Remind me, how, why and by whom North Korea was formed again!

        In any case I’m speaking to the current protagonations, being played out via the media, through the US/SK war exercises!

        North Korea, serves certain interests very nicely thanks bro, geopolitically, its a diamond!

        So other than the references to Key. whom I suspect had been instructed to say what he did (or he is actually suffering mental illness), the opening para of the article is backwards, inverted and ill-informed!

  8. Mysterious Dave 8
    8 April 2013 at 8:25 pm

    Is anyone else worried that we have a Prime Minister who on Sunday says New Zealand could go to war with North Korea – Then on the following Monday, has to turn around and retract his statement, because he is officially visiting China, North Korea’s only ally, and a nation with which John Key wants to improve trade with?

    It is as if John Key makes statements that sound good to him right then, while literally not thinking about tomorrow.

    What a clown. Traditionally Prime Ministers require foresight…

    • rosy 8.1
      8 April 2013 at 9:34 pm

      “Is anyone else worried that we have a Prime Minister who on Sunday says New Zealand could go to war with North Korea”…

      Yes, I’m also worried he feels he can volunteer New Zealanders for war duties without asking parliament what the people’s representatives think about this first.

    • One Anonymous Knucklehead 8.2
      9 April 2013 at 8:37 am

      He’s just rôle-playing.

  9. tinfoilhat 9
    8 April 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Vote green and avoid these brainfarts from national and Labour morons

  10. ochocinco 10
    8 April 2013 at 8:33 pm

    How far has the left fallen, really?

    Back in the 1920s and 1930s, Leftist thought was key to the establishment of the League of Nations, based on the simplest tenet of collective security: an attack on any of us, is an attack on all of us.

    Now, instead, we have leftists talking like “great game” diplomats, with their talk of “subtlety” and care merely code for the sort of backroom diplomacy and secret deals we thought we had got rid of in the Treaty of Versailles. I would expect some bourgeois conservative to talk in such terms, but not a socialist. No.

    North Korea is a threat. Instead of constantly letting it bubble and boil away, it needs to be lanced. We cannot allow it to continue to bully its neighbours.

    Please note: I think the same about the United States i.e. its aggression should have been punished by the rest of the world. But let’s ignore that now. We’re focused on North Korea.

    John Key may be a filthy capitalist, but at least he had the guts to make a clear statement about doing the RIGHT thing. David Shearer will probably mumble and equivocate and we’ll never know what he would do.

    Churchill was right, Chamberlain was wrong. Same here.

    • ghostwhowalksnz 10.1
      9 April 2013 at 8:40 am

      Then why did Key backtrack on his words ?

      He either said the right thing or he didnt. His change of tack to ‘walk away’ from his comments should leave you in no doubt how he thinks now

    • freedom 10.2
      9 April 2013 at 8:58 am

      the only right thing with regards to a War is not to have one.

      Anything else is simply the murder and oppression of people who are the same as you and me. Free people, lied to endlessly, who have had thousands and thousands of years of largely unwanted rulers engage in endless slaughters for temporary gains in power the theft of resources and the acquisition of yet more authority.

      No War has ever brought Peace.

    • Draco T Bastard 10.3
      9 April 2013 at 9:34 am

      John Key may be a filthy capitalist, but at least he had the guts to make a clear statement about doing the RIGHT thing.

      Last time I looked starting a war was considered the supreme war crime.

    • Roy 10.4
      9 April 2013 at 9:53 am

      “North Korea is a threat. Instead of constantly letting it bubble and boil away, it needs to be lanced. We cannot allow it to continue to bully its neighbours.”

      Except that it doesn’t really bully its neighbours. It just engages in periodic willy-waving, and has done so for a long time. It does not need ‘to be lanced’. The best response is to sigh patiently and roll our eyes when it is not watching.

    • Murray Olsen 10.5
      9 April 2013 at 7:46 pm

      How is NK bullying its neighbours? Sure it’s a hell hole and I’m happy to not be living there, but do SK, Japan and China really feel bullied by it? I think a much better case can be made for Australia bullying Timor Leste, so let’s lance that boil, shall we?

    • felix 10.6
      9 April 2013 at 7:52 pm

      “John Key may be a filthy capitalist, but at least he had the guts to make a clear statement about doing the RIGHT thing.”

      Really? I thought he said we should go to war with North Korea because it’s a kiwi tradition. I can’t imagine a more wrong reason to go to war.

      “David Shearer will probably mumble and equivocate and we’ll never know what he would do.”

      Yeah, but just because Shearer is a giant douche doesn’t mean we have to put up with having a turd sandwich for a PM. There are plenty of other options.

      • Colonial Viper 10.6.1
        9 April 2013 at 7:58 pm

        Come now. Would you just give Shearer 6 months to get it together. You can’t expect miracles.

        • felix 10.6.1.1
          9 April 2013 at 8:08 pm

          Oh he’s definitely improving. Last time Thatcher died he really made a cock of himself, praising her service to the people.

          Next time she dies I reckon he’ll have it down.

  11. Blue 11
    8 April 2013 at 9:11 pm

    It wasn’t so long ago that Fairfax journos were writing sycophantic puff pieces about how awesome Key is when it comes to international relations (just like Helen Clark but with the added bonus of his boyish charm, apparently).

    This was before he went to the UK to see the Queen for something or other. Guess there are a few knuckleheads who spoke too soon on Key’s fabulous diplomatic skillz.

  12. Matthew 12
    9 April 2013 at 9:01 am

    When Key was questioned on One NEws he looked like he had been on the opium. His “I dont agree with that” answer (given twice) was the ultimate display of ‘Im right, youre wrong’ arrogance.
    Hes a fucking dipshit, nothing more, nothing less.

  13. red rattler 13
    9 April 2013 at 10:27 am

    This has little to do with the DPRK; its about the US looking for an excuse to turn up the heat on China. Obama is not ‘playing down’ anything since it’s the US military strutting with its military exercises and other war preparations that produced the manifestly nutty reaction from the DPRK that it wanted. In other words this is exactly the overreaction that the US calculated on and it’s part of the ‘great game’ which is now focussed on the competition between the US a declining imperialist power, and China, the newly emerging Asian rival for US global hegemony.
    Key is balancing on a fence between the two. China is the ally that has the greatest economic reward for the NZ bourgeoisie, but the US has NZ locked into military and intelligence treaties and plans to throw away the key with the TPPA. No wonder Key behaves like an idiot drinking toasts to China while pissing down his leg on the red carpet at the same time.
    http://redrave.blogspot.co.nz/2013/04/defeat-imperialist-war-drive-against.html

    • ghostrider888 13.1
      9 April 2013 at 6:01 pm

      Yep, another Excellent.
      (they will succumb to our “worldview” eventually; after a few more thousand, or more, military deaths.)

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  • Treaty pledge to secure funding is contentious – but is Peters being pursued by a lynch mob after ...
    TV3 political editor Jenna Lynch was among the corps of political reporters who bridled, when Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters told them what he thinks of them (which is not much). She was unabashed about letting her audience know she had bridled. More usefully, she drew attention to something which ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    2 days ago

  • How long does this last?
    I have a clear memory of every election since 1969 in this plucky little nation of ours. I swear I cannot recall a single one where the question being asked repeatedly in the first week of the new government was: how long do you reckon they’ll last? And that includes all ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    2 days ago

  • National’s giveaway politics
    We already know that national plans to boost smoking rates to collect more tobacco tax so they can give huge tax-cuts to mega-landlords. But this morning that policy got even more obscene - because it turns out that the tax cut is retrospective: Residential landlords will be able to ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    2 days ago

  • CHRIS TROTTER: Who’s driving the right-wing bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In 2023, ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    2 days ago

  • GRAHAM ADAMS:  Media knives flashing for Luxon’s government
    The fear and loathing among legacy journalists is astonishing Graham Adams writes – No one is going to die wondering how some of the nation’s most influential journalists personally view the new National-led government. It has become abundantly clear within a few days of the coalition agreements ...
    Point of OrderBy gadams1000
    2 days ago

  • Top 10 news links for Wednesday, Nov 29
    TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere for Wednesday November 29, including:The early return of interest deductibility for landlords could see rebates paid on previous taxes and the cost increase to $3 billion from National’s initial estimate of $2.1 billion, CTU Economist Craig Renney estimated here last ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • Smokefree Fallout and a High Profile Resignation.
    The day after being sworn in the new cabinet met yesterday, to enjoy their honeymoon phase. You remember, that period after a new government takes power where the country, and the media, are optimistic about them, because they haven’t had a chance to stuff anything about yet.Sadly the nuptials complete ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    2 days ago

  • As Cabinet revs up, building plans go on hold
    Wellington Council hoardings proclaim its preparations for population growth, but around the country councils are putting things on hold in the absence of clear funding pathways for infrastructure, and despite exploding migrant numbers. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Cabinet meets in earnest today to consider the new Government’s 100-day ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    2 days ago

  • National takes over infrastructure
    Though New Zealand First may have had ambitions to run the infrastructure portfolios, National would seem to have ended up firmly in control of them.  POLITIK has obtained a private memo to members of Infrastructure NZ yesterday, which shows that the peak organisation for infrastructure sees  National MPs Chris ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    2 days ago

  • At a glance – Evidence for global warming
    On February 14, 2023 we announced our Rebuttal Update Project. This included an ask for feedback about the added "At a glance" section in the updated basic rebuttal versions. This weekly blog post series highlights this new section of one of the updated basic rebuttal versions and serves as a ...
    Skeptical Science
    3 days ago

  • Who’s Driving The Right-Wing Bus?
    Who’s At The Wheel? The electorate’s message, as aggregated in the polling booths on 14 October, turned out to be a conservative political agenda stronger than anything New Zealand has seen in five decades. In 1975, Bill Rowling was run over by just one bus, with Rob Muldoon at the wheel. In ...
    Bowalley Road
    3 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • Sanity break
    Cheers to reader Deane for this quote from Breakfast TV today:Chloe Swarbrick to Brook van Velden re the coalition agreement: “... an unhinged grab-bag of hot takes from your drunk uncle at Christmas”Cheers also to actual Prime Minister of a country Christopher Luxon for dorking up his swearing-in vows.But that's enough ...
    More than a fieldingBy David Slack
    3 days ago

  • National’s murderous smoking policy
    One of the big underlying problems in our political system is the prevalence of short-term thinking, most usually seen in the periodic massive infrastructure failures at a local government level caused by them skimping on maintenance to Keep Rates Low. But the new government has given us a new example, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    3 days ago

  • NZ has a chance to rise again as our new government gets spending under control
    New Zealand has  a chance  to  rise  again. Under the  previous  government, the  number of New Zealanders below the poverty line was increasing  year by year. The Luxon-led government  must reverse that trend – and set about stabilising  the  pillars  of the economy. After the  mismanagement  of the outgoing government created   huge ...
    Point of OrderBy tutere44
    3 days ago

  • KARL DU FRESNE: Media and the new government
    Two articles by Karl du Fresne bring media coverage of the new government into considerations.  He writes –    Tuesday, November 28, 2023 The left-wing media needed a line of attack, and they found one The left-wing media pack wasted no time identifying the new government’s weakest point. Seething over ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • PHILIP CRUMP:  Team of rivals – a CEO approach to government leadership
    The work begins Philip Crump wrote this article ahead of the new government being sworn in yesterday – Later today the new National-led coalition government will be sworn in, and the hard work begins. At the core of government will be three men – each a leader ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    3 days ago

  • Black Friday
    As everyone who watches television or is on the mailing list for any of our major stores will confirm, “Black Friday” has become the longest running commercial extravaganza and celebration in our history. Although its origins are obscure (presumably dreamt up by American salesmen a few years ago), it has ...
    Bryan GouldBy Bryan Gould
    3 days ago

  • In Defense of the Media.
    Yesterday the Ministers in the next government were sworn in by our Governor General. A day of tradition and ceremony, of decorum and respect. Usually.But yesterday Winston Peters, the incoming Deputy Prime Minister, and Foreign Minister, of our nation used it, as he did with the signing of the coalition ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    3 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Tuesday, Nov 28
    Nicola Willis’ first move was ‘spilling the tea’ on what she called the ‘sobering’ state of the nation’s books, but she had better be able to back that up in the HYEFU. Photo: Lynn Grieveson / The KākāTL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • PT use up but fare increases coming
    Yesterday Auckland Transport were celebrating, as the most recent Sunday was the busiest Sunday they’ve ever had. That’s a great outcome and I’m sure the ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    3 days ago

  • The very opposite of social investment
    Nicola Willis (in blue) at the signing of the coalition agreement, before being sworn in as both Finance Minister and Social Investment Minister. National’s plan to unwind anti-smoking measures will benefit her in the first role, but how does it stack up from a social investment viewpoint? Photo: Lynn Grieveson ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    3 days ago

  • Giving Tuesday
    For the first time "in history" we decided to jump on the "Giving Tuesday" bandwagon in order to make you aware of the options you have to contribute to our work! Projects supported by Skeptical Science Inc. Skeptical Science Skeptical Science is an all-volunteer organization but ...
    Skeptical Science
    4 days ago

  • Let's open the books with Nicotine Willis
    Let’s say it’s 1984,and there's a dreary little nation at the bottom of the Pacific whose name rhymes with New Zealand,and they've just had an election.Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, will you look at the state of these books we’ve opened,cries the incoming government, will you look at all this mountain ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    4 days ago

  • Climate Change: Stopping oil
    National is promising to bring back offshore oil and gas drilling. Naturally, the Greens have organised a petition campaign to try and stop them. You should sign it - every little bit helps, and as the struggle over mining conservation land showed, even National can be deterred if enough people ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • Don’t accept Human Rights Commission reading of data on Treaty partnership – read the survey fin...
    Wellington is braced for a “massive impact’ from the new government’s cutting public service jobs, The Post somewhat grimly reported today. Expectations of an economic and social jolt are based on the National-Act coalition agreement to cut public service numbers in each government agency in a cost-trimming exercise  “informed by” head ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • The stupidest of stupid reasons
    One of the threats in the National - ACT - NZ First coalition agreements was to extend the term of Parliament to four years, reducing our opportunities to throw a bad government out. The justification? Apparently, the government thinks "elections are expensive". This is the stupidest of stupid reasons for ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    4 days ago

  • A website bereft of buzz
    Buzz from the Beehive The new government was being  sworn in, at time of writing , and when Point of Order checked the Beehive website for the latest ministerial statements and re-visit some of the old ones we drew a blank. We found ….  Nowt. Nothing. Zilch. Not a ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    4 days ago

  • MICHAEL BASSETT: A new Ministry – at last
    Michael Bassett writes – Like most people, I was getting heartily sick of all the time being wasted over the coalition negotiations. During the first three weeks Winston grinned like a Cheshire cat, certain he’d be needed; Chris Luxon wasted time in lifting the phone to Winston ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Luxon's Breakfast.
    The Prime Minister elect had his silver fern badge on. He wore it to remind viewers he was supporting New Zealand, that was his team. Despite the fact it made him look like a concierge, or a welcomer in a Koru lounge. Anna Burns-Francis, the Breakfast presenter, asked if he ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    4 days ago

  • LINDSAY MITCHELL:  Oranga Tamariki faces major upheaval under coalition agreement
     Lindsay Mitchell writes – A hugely significant gain for ACT is somewhat camouflaged by legislative jargon. Under the heading ‘Oranga Tamariki’ ACT’s coalition agreement contains the following item:   Remove Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989 According to Oranga Tamariki:     “Section ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • BRIAN EASTON:  Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record. Brian Easton writes – 1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is ...
    Point of OrderBy poonzteam5443
    4 days ago

  • Cathrine Dyer's guide to watching COP 28 from the bottom of a warming planet
    Is COP28 largely smoke and mirrors and a plan so cunning, you could pin a tail on it and call it a weasel? Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: COP28 kicks off on November 30 and up for negotiation are issues like the role of fossil fuels in the energy transition, contributions to ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Top 10 news links at 10 am for Monday, Nov 27
    PM Elect Christopher Luxon was challenged this morning on whether he would sack Adrian Orr and Andrew Coster.TL;DR: Here’s my pick of top 10 news links elsewhere at 10 am on Monday November 27, including:Signs councils are putting planning and capital spending on hold, given a lack of clear guidance ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • Gordon Campbell on the new government’s policies of yesteryear
    This column expands on a Werewolf column published by Scoop on Friday Routinely, Winston Peters is described as the kingmaker who gets to decide when the centre right or the centre-left has a turn at running this country. He also plays a less heralded but equally important role as the ...
    Gordon CampbellBy lyndon
    4 days ago

  • The New Government’s Agreements
    Last Friday, almost six weeks after election day, National finally came to an agreement with ACT and NZ First to form a government. They also released the agreements between each party and looking through them, here are the things I thought were the most interesting (and often concerning) from the. ...
    Greater AucklandBy Matt L
    4 days ago

  • How many smokers will die to fund the tax cuts?
    Maori and Pasifika smoking rates are already over twice the ‘all adult’ rate. Now the revenue that generates will be used to fund National’s tax cuts. Photo: Getty ImagesTL;DR: The devil is always in the detail and it emerged over the weekend from the guts of the policy agreements National ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    4 days ago

  • How the culture will change in the Beehive
    Perhaps the biggest change that will come to the Beehive as the new government settles in will be a fundamental culture change. The era of endless consultation will be over. This looks like a government that knows what it wants to do, and that means it knows what outcomes ...
    PolitikBy Richard Harman
    4 days ago

  • No More Winnie Blues.
    So what do you think of the coalition’s decision to cancel Smokefree measures intended to stop young people, including an over representation of Māori, from taking up smoking? Enabling them to use the tax revenue to give other people a tax cut?David Cormack summed it up well:It seems not only ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    5 days ago

  • 2023 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #47
    A chronological listing of news and opinion articles posted on the Skeptical Science  Facebook Page during the past week: Sun, Nov 19, 2023 thru Sat, Nov 25, 2023.  Story of the Week World stands on frontline of disaster at Cop28, says UN climate chief  Exclusive: Simon Stiell says leaders must ‘stop ...
    Skeptical Science
    5 days ago

  • Some of it is mad, some of it is bad and some of it is clearly the work of people who are dangerous ...
    On announcement morning my mate texted:Typical of this cut-price, fake-deal government to announce itself on Black Friday.What a deal. We lose Kim Hill, we gain an empty, jargonising prime minister, a belligerent conspiracist, and a heartless Ayn Rand fanboy. One door closes, another gets slammed repeatedly in your face.It seems pretty ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    5 days ago

  • “Revolution” is the threat as the Māori Party smarts at coalition government’s Treaty directi...
    Buzz from the Beehive Having found no fresh announcements on the government’s official website, Point of Order turned today to Scoop’s Latest Parliament Headlines  for its buzz. This provided us with evidence that the Māori Party has been soured by the the coalition agreement announced yesterday by the new PM. “Soured” ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    6 days ago

  • The Good, the Bad, and the even Worse.
    Yesterday the trio that will lead our country unveiled their vision for New Zealand.Seymour looking surprisingly statesmanlike, refusing to rise to barbs about his previous comments on Winston Peters. Almost as if they had just been slapstick for the crowd.Winston was mostly focussed on settling scores with the media, making ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    6 days ago

  • When it Comes to Palestine – Free Speech is Under Threat
    Hi,Thanks for getting amongst Mister Organ on digital — thanks to you, we hit the #1 doc spot on iTunes this week. This response goes a long way to helping us break even.I feel good about that. Other things — not so much.New Zealand finally has a new government, and ...
    David FarrierBy David Farrier
    6 days ago

  • Thank you Captain Luxon. Was that a landing, or were we shot down?
    Hello! Here comes the Saturday edition of More Than A Feilding, catching you up on the past week’s editions.Also in More Than A FeildingFriday The unboxing And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    6 days ago

  • Cans of Worms.
    “And there’ll be no shortage of ‘events’ to test Luxon’s political skills. David Seymour wants a referendum on the Treaty. Winston wants a Royal Commission of Inquiry into Labour’s handling of the Covid crisis. Talk about cans of worms!”LAURIE AND LES were very fond of their local. It was nothing ...
    Bowalley Road
    6 days ago

  • Disinformation campaigns are undermining democracy. Here’s how we can fight back
    This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article. Misinformation is debated everywhere and has justifiably sparked concerns. It can polarise the public, reduce health-protective behaviours such as mask wearing and vaccination, and erode trust in science. Much of misinformation is spread not ...
    Skeptical Science
    6 days ago

  • Peters as Minister
    A previous column looked at Winston Peters biographically. This one takes a closer look at his record as a minister, especially his policy record.1990-1991: Minister of Māori Affairs. Few remember Ka Awatea as a major document on the future of Māori policy; there is not even an entry in Wikipedia. ...
    PunditBy Brian Easton
    7 days ago

  • The New Government: 2023 Edition
    So New Zealand has a brand-spanking new right-wing government. Not just any new government either. A formal majority coalition, of the sort last seen in 1996-1998 (our governmental arrangements for the past quarter of a century have been varying flavours of minority coalition or single-party minority, with great emphasis ...
    A Phuulish FellowBy strda221
    7 days ago

  • The unboxing
    And so this is Friday and what have we gone and done to ourselves?In the same way that a Christmas present can look lovely under the tree with its gold ribbon but can turn out to be nothing more than a big box holding a voucher for socks, so it ...
    More Than A FeildingBy David Slack
    7 days ago

  • A cruel, vicious, nasty government
    So, after weeks of negotiations, we finally have a government, with a three-party cabinet and a time-sharing deputy PM arrangement. Newsroom's Marc Daalder has put the various coalition documents online, and I've been reading through them. A few things stand out: Luxon doesn't want to do any work, ...
    No Right TurnBy Idiot/Savant
    7 days ago

  • Hurrah – we have a new government (National, ACT and New Zealand First commit “to deliver for al...
    Buzz from the Beehive Sorry, there has been  no fresh news on the government’s official website since the caretaker trade minister’s press statement about the European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement. But the capital is abuzz with news – and media comment is quickly flowing – after ...
    Point of OrderBy Bob Edlin
    1 week ago

  • Christopher Luxon – NZ PM #42.
    Nothing says strong and stable like having your government announcement delayed by a day because one of your deputies wants to remind everyone, but mostly you, who wears the trousers. It was all a bit embarrassing yesterday with the parties descending on Wellington before pulling out of proceedings. There are ...
    Nick’s KōreroBy Nick Rockel
    1 week ago

  • Coalition Government details policies & ministers
    Winston Peters will be Deputy PM for the first half of the Coalition Government’s three-year term, with David Seymour being Deputy PM for the second half. Photo montage by Lynn Grieveson for The KākāTL;DR: PM-Elect Christopher Luxon has announced the formation of a joint National-ACT-NZ First coalition Government with a ...
    The KakaBy Bernard Hickey
    1 week ago

  • “Old Coat” by Peter, Paul & Mary.
     THERE ARE SOME SONGS that seem to come from a place that is at once in and out of the world. Written by men and women who, for a brief moment, are granted access to that strange, collective compendium of human experience that comes from, and belongs to, all the ...
    Bowalley Road
    1 week ago

  • New Zealand welcomes European Parliament vote on the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement
    A significant milestone in ratifying the NZ-EU Free Trade Agreement (FTA) was reached last night, with 524 of the 705 member European Parliament voting in favour to approve the agreement. “I’m delighted to hear of the successful vote to approve the NZ-EU FTA in the European Parliament overnight. This is ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    1 week ago

  • Further humanitarian support for Gaza, the West Bank and Israel
    The Government is contributing a further $5 million to support the response to urgent humanitarian needs in Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, bringing New Zealand’s total contribution to the humanitarian response so far to $10 million. “New Zealand is deeply saddened by the loss of civilian life and the ...
    BeehiveBy beehive.govt.nz
    2 weeks ago

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